On 05 Jan 2011, at 21:45, Brian Tenneson wrote:

"The Tao that can be described is not the ultimate Tao"

`I <3 Lao tseu, and all the taoists. There is a full chapter on Lao-`

`tseu in the long version of my PhD(*). They were aware of the dream`

`argument. In fact, I call the modal formula:`

`x -> ~B x (or its contrapositive Bx -> ~x) with B intended for the`

`scientific communication or proof: the Lao-Tseu Watts Valadier`

`principle, there.`

`Alan Watts describes indeed something similar in his book "the wisdom`

`of insecurity", and Valadier, a french jesuit, wrote a remarkable book`

`where it shows that making moral is immoral.`

`Gödel's theorem (and Löb, Solovay) provides many solutions, having an`

`arithmetical content, for such an equation. Indeed all x belonging to`

`G* \ G obeys to that equation.`

`With x = Dt (= ~Bf = consistency), you get Gödel's second`

`incompleteness theorem: Dt -> ~BDt. But DDDDDt is also a solution.`

`Most formula beginning by D (= ~B ~) are solutions. Correct machines`

`cannot prove that they cannot prove something.`

`Tarski's theorem provides even more insightful solutions, which are`

`analytical, and on which the correct machine can only be mute.`

`It led me also to a very simple theory of intelligence. A machine is`

`intelligent if she is not stupid, and a machine is stupid if either`

`she believes that she is intelligent, or she believes she is stupid.`

`Aagain incompleteness provides solution. From that I showed that`

`intelligence has a positive feedback on competence, but that`

`competence has a negative feedback on intelligence.`

Interesting. I wonder if it's so. Whether or not the ultimate Taocan be described has been the object of all my research-relatedthinking for a while now. I finally made a breakthrough this yearon the problem. I still have to manipulate what I think on it andmassage the document about it. At least I can say that I'm nottrying to describe the Tao. I'm trying to describe a description ofthe Tao. The reduced product of all structures is my candidate formy description for a description of the Tao.Perhaps Lao Tzu already put in his two cents regarding this kind ofTOE.

`In "conscience and mechanism" I argue in detail that most of the`

`writing of Lao-Tseu, Tchouang-Tseu, and especially (my favorite) Lie-`

`Tseu can be interpreted by the discourse of the self-referentially`

`correct machine. But Plotinus is closer to us. I have studied`

`classical chinese and modern chinese, for years, to discuss on Lao-`

`Tseu with scholars. It is difficult.`

`Mechanism makes a bridge between Smullyan's "Tao is silent" and`

`Smullyan's "Forever undecided". I still don't know if Smullyan would`

`agree on this. Some remark by him makes me think he is not aware of`

`that connection, or that mechanism favors that connection.`

`If you like Lao-Tseu, you might appreciate Smullyan's book "tao is`

`silent".`

Bruno (*) http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/bxlthesis/consciencemecanisme.html

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