# Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

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On 05 Jan 2011, at 21:45, Brian Tenneson wrote:```
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```"The Tao that can be described is not the ultimate Tao"
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I <3 Lao tseu, and all the taoists. There is a full chapter on Lao- tseu in the long version of my PhD(*). They were aware of the dream argument. In fact, I call the modal formula:
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x -> ~B x (or its contrapositive Bx -> ~x) with B intended for the scientific communication or proof: the Lao-Tseu Watts Valadier principle, there.
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Alan Watts describes indeed something similar in his book "the wisdom of insecurity", and Valadier, a french jesuit, wrote a remarkable book where it shows that making moral is immoral.
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Gödel's theorem (and Löb, Solovay) provides many solutions, having an arithmetical content, for such an equation. Indeed all x belonging to G* \ G obeys to that equation.
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With x = Dt (= ~Bf = consistency), you get Gödel's second incompleteness theorem: Dt -> ~BDt. But DDDDDt is also a solution. Most formula beginning by D (= ~B ~) are solutions. Correct machines cannot prove that they cannot prove something.
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Tarski's theorem provides even more insightful solutions, which are analytical, and on which the correct machine can only be mute.
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It led me also to a very simple theory of intelligence. A machine is intelligent if she is not stupid, and a machine is stupid if either she believes that she is intelligent, or she believes she is stupid. Aagain incompleteness provides solution. From that I showed that intelligence has a positive feedback on competence, but that competence has a negative feedback on intelligence.
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Interesting. I wonder if it's so. Whether or not the ultimate Tao can be described has been the object of all my research-related thinking for a while now. I finally made a breakthrough this year on the problem. I still have to manipulate what I think on it and massage the document about it. At least I can say that I'm not trying to describe the Tao. I'm trying to describe a description of the Tao. The reduced product of all structures is my candidate for my description for a description of the Tao.
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Perhaps Lao Tzu already put in his two cents regarding this kind of TOE.
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In "conscience and mechanism" I argue in detail that most of the writing of Lao-Tseu, Tchouang-Tseu, and especially (my favorite) Lie- Tseu can be interpreted by the discourse of the self-referentially correct machine. But Plotinus is closer to us. I have studied classical chinese and modern chinese, for years, to discuss on Lao- Tseu with scholars. It is difficult.
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Mechanism makes a bridge between Smullyan's "Tao is silent" and Smullyan's "Forever undecided". I still don't know if Smullyan would agree on this. Some remark by him makes me think he is not aware of that connection, or that mechanism favors that connection.
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If you like Lao-Tseu, you might appreciate Smullyan's book "tao is silent".
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Bruno

(*) http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/bxlthesis/consciencemecanisme.html

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