On Apr 2, 6:02 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 2, 12:03 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/2/2012 7:14 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >>> If all movement was involuntary in the > > >>> > > first place then there would be no significant difference between > > >>> > > passively watching yourself move and passively watching yourself > > >>> > not > > >>> > > move > > > >>> > > If we had no free will, our belief about it should have no effect > > >>> > on > > >>> > > the actual ability to execute our wishes though our motor cortex. > > > >> > Non sequitur. > > > Why? If you program a machine to believe that it has free will, how > > > would such a belief have any effect on its behavior? How could it > > > improve its performance in any way? > > > If you program a machine to form explanatory and predictive models of the > > world, then it > > will try to form a model of itself. But it would be difficult and > > extremely wasteful, > > from a survival standpoint, to provide it the introspective data necessary > > to model its > > own physical internal decision processes. Failing to have this > > introspection it may come > > to foolishly believe in something it calls 'free will'. > > Why would there be an experience associated with any decision > processes and how would that experience not be free will?
It *could* not be free will because FW is a capacity, not a feeling, and feeling you have the capacity doens;t mean you actually have. Feelings can be wrong. > If I have an experience of making decisions, then how would believing > that experience is real or an illusion have the effect that we see on > readiness? huh? readiness? > > Readiness is measurable. Being influenced by the nonsense idea of > illusory free will impacts performance negatively. If free will were > truly an illusion, there could be no possibility of our belief in it > (belief being something which is only meaningful if it pertains to > contributing to making choices using free will) So you say. Beliefs can influence deterministic decisions. You might want to call that "meaningless", but that is just your juedgment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.