On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:10:39 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> On 9/20/2012 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>> Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp.
>> If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics,
>> then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines using
>> only empty space? Length can be quantified, so why can't we just use
>> millimeters or Planck lengths as the basis for our enumeration, addition,
>> and multiplication and directly program from our mind to space?
>> Of course, it would be hard to know where it was because we would be
>> constantly flying away from a space that was anchored to an absolute
>> position independent of Earth, the solar system, Milky Way, etc, but that
>> shouldn't matter anyhow since whatever method we use to directly program in
>> empty space with our minds should also give us access to the results of the
> Right this is already the case. That we can use our minds to access the
>> What do you think? Just as wafers of silicon glass could in theory be
>> functionally identical to a living brain, wouldn't it be equally prejudiced
>> to say that empty space isn't good enough to host the computations of
> We don't even need empty space, we can use thought alone to figure out
> the future evolution of computers that already exist in Platonia and then
> get the result of any computation. The problem is we are slow at doing
> this, so we build machines that can tell us what these platonic machines do
> with greater speed and accuracy than we ever could.
> It's not doing the computations that is hard, the computations are
> already there. The problem is learning their results.
> It takes the consumption of resources to "learn the results". This
> is what I have been yelling at Bruno about the entire time since I first
> read his beautiful papers. Understanding is never free.
Exactly, and I was trying to show why. Without that resource cost, there is
no reason for anything to have a cost and no reason to leave Platonia.
Castles in the clouds ahoy!
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