On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:10:39 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>  On 9/20/2012 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg 
> <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
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>> Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp.
>>
>> If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, 
>> then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines using 
>> only empty space? Length can be quantified, so why can't we just use 
>> millimeters or Planck lengths as the basis for our enumeration, addition, 
>> and multiplication and directly program from our mind to space? 
>>
>> Of course, it would be hard to know where it was because we would be 
>> constantly flying away from a space that was anchored to an absolute 
>> position independent of Earth, the solar system, Milky Way, etc, but that 
>> shouldn't matter anyhow since whatever method we use to directly program in 
>> empty space with our minds should also give us access to the results of the 
>> computations.
>>
>
>  Right this is already the case.  That we can use our minds to access the 
> results.
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>>
>> What do you think? Just as wafers of silicon glass could in theory be 
>> functionally identical to a living brain, wouldn't it be equally prejudiced 
>> to say that empty space isn't good enough to host the computations of 
>> silicon?
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>
>  We don't even need empty space, we can use thought alone to figure out 
> the future evolution of computers that already exist in Platonia and then 
> get the result of any computation.  The problem is we are slow at doing 
> this, so we build machines that can tell us what these platonic machines do 
> with greater speed and accuracy than we ever could.
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>  It's not doing the computations that is hard, the computations are 
> already there.  The problem is learning their results.
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>  Jason
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>      It takes the consumption of resources to "learn the results". This 
> is what I have been yelling at Bruno about the entire time since I first 
> read his beautiful papers. Understanding is never free.
>

Exactly, and I was trying to show why. Without that resource cost, there is 
no reason for anything to have a cost and no reason to leave Platonia. 
Castles in the clouds ahoy!

Craig

 

> -- 
> Onward!
>
> Stephen
> http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html
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