On 5/10/2013 10:58 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:03 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Fri, May 10, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be
> How could a pseudo-religion, fake by definition, be superior to
Well, I'd rather be a fake moron that a real moron, wouldn't you?
> And why should a religion be illogical?
Because if it deals with big issues as religion does and it is not
the word for that is not "religion" but "science".
Religion is a set of beliefs which cannot be proved. Science is a means by which one
might arrive on such a set of beliefs. Life requires making decisions but as science
never provides 100% certainty on any idea, science can never tell us what course of
action is correct. For that we must fall back to our beliefs and hope our decision was
That's a very strange formulation? Yes, science is a means of arriving at a set of
propositions that cannot be proved, but so is astrology and numerology and even just
making stuff up. But science is right much more consistently than other methods and
that's what distinguishes it - not the fact that it's not certain.
I'm not sure what you mean by religion provides beliefs which cannot be proved. Of course
they are not part of an axiomatic system, so they cannot be proved or disproved in that
sense. But they can certainly tested in the ordinary sense of "preponderance of the
evidence". For example many religions include a belief that pious and sincere prayers
will be answered. Double blind tests of this belief show it is not true. So maybe the
reason they can't be proved is that they are false.
I don't think believing is just an act of will that can be applied to any proposition
though, at least that's not what I'd call believing. You seem to implicitly assume that
we need certainty in order to act - which is obviously not the case.
"All those canes, braces and crutches, and not a single glass eye, wooden leg, or
--- Anatole France, on seeing the objects cast off by visitors to Lourdes.
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