On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:
Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
immaterial. If
the universe is infinitely large or infinitely varied, we each reappear an
infinite number of times. There are a countably infinite number of
programs,
and for any given level of complexity, there is a finite number of possible
programs shorter than some length. Any consciousness we simulate is the
consciousness of something that exists somewhere else in the infinitely
varied/infinitely large universe, and if the universe is really this big,
then
someone else far away could simulate you perfectly without having to
extract a
record of you. Just running Bruno's UDA for a long enough time "ressurects"
everyone, we are all contained in that short program.
To which, one is tempted to respond: So what? If there is all this simulation going
on, what reason is there to suppose it is being done by being anything like us or
that the worlds in which the simulations take place (the "real" ones, if there are
any) are anything like this one.
Because the FPI makes "this one" a statistical sum on all possible one.
What do you mean by "a statiscal sum"? FPI must still pick out some kind of unity; not
just an average.
Why? How so?
If not, then I don't know what FPI means. I thought it referred to one's experience of
being a person, but the is a unity to that experience. I experience being Brent Meeker.
I don't experience being Bruno Marchal.
You are simply led back to trying to discover what are possible worlds, where
"possible" can be anything from "familiar enough I can understand it" to
"nomologically possible" to "not containing contradictions".
Possible means "livable from a first person point of view in such a way that you would
not see the difference above the substitution level".
So all simulations must look just like this??
Yes. When done at the right level (if it exists). By definition, I would say.
How does that then comport with everything happens, because it's NOT the case that
everything happens here.
Brent
Below the substitution level, everyone (humans, alien, numbers ..) see the same
average on all computations, which, due to the constraints of self-reference and
theoretical computer science is a well structured, highly complex, mathematical object.
So what? So physics is reduced to arithmetic, or to machine theology... and this in a
way which saves humans from reductionism.
I didn't know reductionism endangered us. :-)
It eliminates the person, in theory first, in camp, slavery, our gulag, after. It is a
constant in human history, and it is what gives to religions (including materialist and
atheist one) their bad reputation. Read La Mettrie and Sade to learn more on this.
Bruno
Brent
It makes also comp into science and out of philosophy. All this leads to a different,
platonist and non aristotelian, view on "reality". It makes "Matter" into a failed
hypothesis (Matter =primitive matter).
Bruno
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