On 5/27/2013 10:19 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

2013/5/27 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>

    On 5/27/2013 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

    On 26 May 2013, at 20:23, meekerdb wrote:

    On 5/26/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

    On 26 May 2013, at 04:00, meekerdb wrote:

        Whether or not it is recorded or extractable in this universe is
        immaterial. If the universe is infinitely large or infinitely varied, we
        each reappear an infinite number of times.  There are a countably 
        number of programs, and for any given level of complexity, there is a
        finite number of possible programs shorter than some length. Any
        consciousness we simulate is the consciousness of something that exists
        somewhere else in the infinitely varied/infinitely large universe, and 
        the universe is really this big, then someone else far away could 
        you perfectly without having to extract a record of you.  Just running
        Bruno's UDA for a long enough time "ressurects" everyone, we are all
        contained in that short program.

    To which, one is tempted to respond: So what?  If there is all this 
    going on, what reason is there to suppose it is being done by being anything
    like us or that the worlds in which the simulations take place (the "real" 
    if there are any) are anything like this one.

    Because the FPI makes "this one" a statistical sum on all possible one.

    What do you mean by "a statiscal sum"?  FPI must still pick out some kind of
    unity; not just an average.

    Why? How so?

    If not, then I don't know what FPI means.  I thought it referred to one's 
    of being a person, but the is a unity to that experience.  I experience 
being Brent
    Meeker.  I don't experience being Bruno Marchal.

Because it is a statistical sum on the infinity of computation going through *your current state*.

But my question was what does "a statistical sum" mean? It doesn't help to explain that it is a statistical sum. But now you also use another term that is not really clear to me: "your current state" Is this a state of my experience? My experience doesn't consist of discrete states, so I'm not clear on what this refers to. Is it only my *consciousness" that counts as "my state"?


FPI means First Person Indeterminacy... so if it was not based on first person it would cleary not means anything... but as it is in its definition, you're just looking too far from what Bruno said.

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