Hi Bruno [JC] Because step 3 sucks.

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[Bruno] Why? You have not yet make a convincing point on this. His point is convincing me. regards. > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:18:07 +0200 > Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name? > From: te...@telmomenezes.com > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:37 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > On 10/2/2013 7:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 01 Oct 2013, at 19:34, meekerdb wrote: > >>> > >>> On 10/1/2013 7:13 AM, David Nyman wrote: > >>> > >>> However, on reflection, this is not what one should deduce from the > >>> logic as set out. The logical structure of each subjective moment is > >>> defined as encoding its relative past and anticipated future states > >>> (an assumption that seems consistent with our understanding of brain > >>> function, for example). > >>> > >>> > >>> But then it seems one needs the physical, or at least the subconscious. > >>> If > >>> one conceives a "subjective moment" as just what one is conscious of in > >>> "a > >>> moment" it doesn't encode very much of the past. And in the digital > >>> simulation paradigm the computational state doesn't encode any of it. So > >>> I > >>> think each conscious "moment" must have considerable extent in (physical) > >>> time so as to overlap and provide continuity. > >>> > >>> > >>> But then comp is false, OK? As with comp the present first person moment > >>> can > >>> be encoded, and indeed sent on Mars, etc. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Of course physical time need not correspond in any simple way to > >>> computational steps. > >>> > >>> > >>> OK. With this remark, comp remains consistent, indeed. That last remark > >>> is > >>> quite interesting, and a key to grasp comp and its relation to physics. I > >>> think. > >> > >> Could time arise from recursivity? A very caricatural example: > >> > >> f(x) = x :: f(x + 1) > >> > >> So f(0) would go through the steps: > >> (0) > >> (0 1) > >> (0 1 2) > >> ... > >> > >> If (in a caricatural way) we associated each step with a moment, each > >> step would contain a memory of the past, although the function I wrote > >> is just some static mathematical object I dug up from Platonia. > >> Furthermore, these moments would appear to be relates in a causality > >> sequence: (0) -> (0 1) -> (0 1 2) and so on. What do you think? > > > > > > They form a sequence of states which overlap and so have an inherent order. > > But that can't be the right model for conscious states because they don't > > contain all past conscious states; in general their content is very sparse > > relative memory. > > Sure but it would be trivial to define some recursive function that > generates a sequence of states with sparse or even distorted memories > of previous states. The recursive function could be as complex as you > like. > > Telmo. > > > Brent > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.