On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:37 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 10/2/2013 7:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>> On 01 Oct 2013, at 19:34, meekerdb wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2013 7:13 AM, David Nyman wrote:
>>> However, on reflection, this is not what one should deduce from the
>>> logic as set out. The logical structure of each subjective moment is
>>> defined as encoding its relative past and anticipated future states
>>> (an assumption that seems consistent with our understanding of brain
>>> function, for example).
>>> But then it seems one needs the physical, or at least the subconscious.
>>> one conceives a "subjective moment" as just what one is conscious of in
>>> moment" it doesn't encode very much of the past. And in the digital
>>> simulation paradigm the computational state doesn't encode any of it. So
>>> think each conscious "moment" must have considerable extent in (physical)
>>> time so as to overlap and provide continuity.
>>> But then comp is false, OK? As with comp the present first person moment
>>> be encoded, and indeed sent on Mars, etc.
>>> Of course physical time need not correspond in any simple way to
>>> computational steps.
>>> OK. With this remark, comp remains consistent, indeed. That last remark
>>> quite interesting, and a key to grasp comp and its relation to physics. I
>> Could time arise from recursivity? A very caricatural example:
>> f(x) = x :: f(x + 1)
>> So f(0) would go through the steps:
>> (0 1)
>> (0 1 2)
>> If (in a caricatural way) we associated each step with a moment, each
>> step would contain a memory of the past, although the function I wrote
>> is just some static mathematical object I dug up from Platonia.
>> Furthermore, these moments would appear to be relates in a causality
>> sequence: (0) -> (0 1) -> (0 1 2) and so on. What do you think?
> They form a sequence of states which overlap and so have an inherent order.
> But that can't be the right model for conscious states because they don't
> contain all past conscious states; in general their content is very sparse
> relative memory.
Sure but it would be trivial to define some recursive function that
generates a sequence of states with sparse or even distorted memories
of previous states. The recursive function could be as complex as you
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