2013/11/26 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
> On 11/26/2013 10:03 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
>> but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental, beyond
>> our own.
> Beyond my what?...beyond my purpose. That would be incoherent.
> Yes. beyond your purpose.
> Except in the case of people in the edge, that are concerned with its own
> Why is survival special? People are often more concerned with other
> values more than survival.
> Then they are not concerned with their own survival. These people are in
constant danger of death.
>> you can not find meaning working every morning for a society if your
>> society has not a purpose,a plan itself for going along.
> Suppose you work for yourself instead of society. Or as George Carlin put
> it, "If I'm here for other people, what are those other people here for?"
> You can work for yourself. and there may be a number of them. even there
may be a number of special psychopaths that do an overall good to the
society forced by some market forces. But a society of work--for-themselves
can not survive. It is naturally corrupt. Therefore that is not in our
nature. It may work for some, for it will not work for most of us.
>> The need for an ultimate, transcendental purpose is so strong that every
>> people gets depressed (even to suicide, Boltzmann for example) by the idea
>> of a the thermal end of the Universe, even knowing that this end is
>> unimaginably ahead in time. I find no better example of how purpose, long
>> term planning for survival and transcendence are related in the human mind
>> with quite practical consequences.
> Certainly caring about the future had evolutionary advantages for an
> intelligent, social species. But people are no better at imagining an
> infinite immortality than an end of the world. They are only comforted by
> keeping them fuzzy.
It is not necessary that everyone imagined or suffer for that. Just a few
sensible and influential people makes the difference in moralizing or
demoralizing the entire society. There is a specialization in which people
short term oriented trust other more long term and so on until the
"priests" of the times, who have the trust in looking the very long term
path and tell what they see to the rest.
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