On 26 Nov 2013, at 19:03, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental,
beyond our own. Except in the case of people in the edge, that are
concerned with its own survival.
you can not find meaning working every morning for a society if your
society has not a purpose,a plan itself for going along.
I am not sure. Simple happiness ,, for one self and those we care,
might be a sufficient purpose, and it might have a metaphysical
meaning (which might, or not, elude us).
Searching the truth might also be a purpose, even if it does not lead
to happiness, and which can also have a metaphysical meaning.
The need for an ultimate, transcendental purpose is so strong that
every people gets depressed (even to suicide, Boltzmann for example)
by the idea of a the thermal end of the Universe,
I think Boltzmann depressed only by the harassment from some
colleagues. Cantor also suffered a similar fate.
even knowing that this end is unimaginably ahead in time. I find no
better example of how purpose, long term planning for survival and
transcendence are related in the human mind with quite practical
consequences.
Hmm... You might search a better example, or give reference.
Bruno
2013/11/26 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
On 26 Nov 2013, at 00:32, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 25 November 2013 23:17, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>
wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: "Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the
physical
reality?"
We must, otherwise this life itself doesn't make any sense. There
has to
be a purpose, and there has to be some sort of an outcome.
But why can't life lack sense and purpose? What logical or empirical
law
would that break?
You implicitly are saying:
1) The only and certain purpose is to act according with the laws.
So there
is a purpose, although not personal purpose
2)These laws are ultimate causes and conform the matter, make it be,
so as
such, They are beyond and prior to nature, that is, They are
sobrenatural.
and
3)All the Laws are known.
I'm saying that there is no logical reason why there should be any
purpose to life. What "purpose" means is pretty vague but I take it as
something over and above your (1). Atheists may find "purpose" in,
say, living a happy life or contributing to society, but there is no
logical reason for those things to happen either.
But we don't know that. There is no logical reason there shouldn't
be a purpose to life, universes and consciousness.
And there might be deep reason, yet arithmetical reasons, why we
can live happy lives.
Like they might be also reasons that it might not yet be as simple
as some would like to thought.
Bruno
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