On 27 November 2013 13:00, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 11/26/2013 2:49 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 27 November 2013 11:34, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>  On 11/26/2013 1:20 PM, LizR wrote:
>>  On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>  Suppose you work for yourself instead of society.  Or as George Carlin
>>> put it, "If I'm here for other people, what are those other people here
>>> for?"
>>  "What has posterity ever done for me?"
>>  This is an evolutionary choice between being a loner or a herd animal.
>> Some predators tend to be loners, a lot of prey tend to be herd animals.
>> Humans appear to be prey - we generally do a poor job of surviving long
>> term without the protection of society.
>>  Wolves and orcas are 'herd' animals too.
>  You did notice that I said "some" predators, right?
> Sure.  But you inferred that humans are prey animals.  That seems very
> doubtful.  Even Australopithecus was apparently a hunter (c.f. Robert
> Audrey "African Genesis").  Chimps and baboons sometimes hunt.  I think
> humans are a lot more like wolves than like antelopes.

Only if you ignore most of the women and children, and some of the men.
(Most of hunter-gatherers'  food is vegetables, with the odd bit of meat.)

As far as I know we aren't specialised in any of the way that predators are
(teeth, digestion etc), hence we have to use weapons, cooking etc. So if
we're predators, it's through technology rather than evolution.

But in any case, however you classify them, humans *still *can't survive
very easily on their own in the wild, and are much better adapted to living
in social groups of around 100 or so members.

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