2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Measure is relative, >>>> >>> >>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still being >>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull >>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall, it >>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions, >>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>> realms of higher measure. >>> >>> >>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>> >>> >>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>> >> >> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >> > > > In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) > just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. > Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is > (approximately) halved. >
No, that is ASSA... > > >> >> >>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations >>> (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>> >> >> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >> > > Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half with > each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before the > trigger pull)? > > >> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more strange... >> and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, simple physics >> should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely survival. >> > > You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the > physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your > relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic > bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? > > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>> >>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>> >> >> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning of >> the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities to >> find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to one... >> > > Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current > experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you > living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by > future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by > Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun, > 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 > simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and > 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead, > and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note > that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in > the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while the > population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. After > another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those > that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different > realm. > > >> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even near >> death. >> >> > This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low > (relative) probability. > > Jason > > >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> >>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>> >>> >>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, the >>>>>>>>> Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth and >>>>>>>> learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely many >>>>>>>> threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us random to >>>>>>>> Drelb >>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a sense >>>>>>> is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, and >>>>>>> Drelb, by >>>>>>> observing it, is split into as many copies as there are possibilities >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is false... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>> entities, >>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not your >>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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