2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still >>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and >>>>>>>>> pull >>>>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to >>>>>>>>> fall, it >>>>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based >>>>>>>>> extensions, >>>>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>>>>>>> realms of higher measure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In measure theory ( >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) just because >>>>>>> there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. Your measure >>>>>>> each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is (approximately) >>>>>>> halved. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No, that is ASSA... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous >>>>>>>>> situations (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in >>>>>>> half with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive >>>>>>> before the trigger pull)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more >>>>>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, >>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely >>>>>>>> survival. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >>>>>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >>>>>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic >>>>>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the >>>>>>>> partitioning of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> probabilities to find yourself in such continuation or such other, >>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>> adds up to one... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your >>>>>>> current experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> you living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum >>>>>>> gun, >>>>>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >>>>>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are >>>>>>> dead, >>>>>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note >>>>>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. >>>>>>> After >>>>>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >>>>>>> realm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say >>>>> concerning the above analysis? >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next >>>> continuations. >>>> >>>> >>> Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not >>> apply relative measure to these? >>> >> >> You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will >> always be less likely than simple physical explanation for your current >> moment... >> >> It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now. >> >> > So if you were to spend a day in the box with Schrodinger's cat (each hour > having a 50% chance of poisoning you), what would you predict experience to > be at the end of that day? >
If the poison was 100% sure to kill you instantly... I predict (if comp or MWI is true) to be alive and safe. > > What would you predict if you knew thought that 1% of your explanations > are Drelb-like entities which want to provide you an afterlife after > simulating your demise? > That I have 99% chance of being in a non Dreb like world. Quentin > > Jason > > >> Quentin >> >> >> >>> If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a 10% >>> chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we can. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>>> Quentin >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... >>>>>>>> even near death. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely >>>>>>> low (relative) probability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quentin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and >>>>>>>>> varied universe, many strange things may happen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a >>>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. Shermer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> infinitely many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make us >>>>>>>>>>>>>> random to Drelb too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are >>>>>>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>>>>>>> false... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>>>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>>>>>>> entities, >>>>>>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or >>>>>>>>>>> not your >>>>>>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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