On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still being >>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull >>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall, it >>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions, >>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>> realms of higher measure. >>>> >>>> >>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>> >>> >>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>> >> >> >> In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) >> just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. >> Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is >> (approximately) halved. >> > > No, that is ASSA... > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations >>>> (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>> >>> >>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>> >> >> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half >> with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before the >> trigger pull)? >> >> >>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more strange... >>> and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, simple physics >>> should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely survival. >>> >> >> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic >> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>> >>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>> >>> >>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning of >>> the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities to >>> find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to one... >>> >> >> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current >> experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you >> living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by >> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by >> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun, >> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and >> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead, >> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note >> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in >> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while the >> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. After >> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those >> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >> realm. >> >> > If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say concerning the above analysis? Jason > the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even near >>> death. >>> >>> >> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low >> (relative) probability. >> >> Jason >> >> >>> Quentin >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, the >>>>>>>>>> Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth and >>>>>>>>> learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely >>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us random >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> Drelb too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a sense >>>>>>>> is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, and >>>>>>>> Drelb, by >>>>>>>> observing it, is split into as many copies as there are possibilities >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>> false... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>> entities, >>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not your >>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> . >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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