2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still being >>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull >>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall, >>>>> it >>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions, >>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>>> realms of higher measure. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>>> >>>> >>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>>> >>> >>> >>> In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) >>> just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. >>> Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is >>> (approximately) halved. >>> >> >> No, that is ASSA... >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations >>>>> (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>>> >>> >>> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half >>> with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before the >>> trigger pull)? >>> >>> >>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more >>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, simple >>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely survival. >>>> >>> >>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic >>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>>> >>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>>> >>>> >>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning >>>> of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities >>>> to find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to >>>> one... >>>> >>> >>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current >>> experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you >>> living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by >>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by >>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun, >>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and >>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead, >>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note >>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in >>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while the >>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. After >>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those >>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >>> realm. >>> >>> >> > > If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say concerning > the above analysis? >
That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next continuations. Quentin > > Jason > > > > >> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even >>>> near death. >>>> >>>> >>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low >>> (relative) probability. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>>> Quentin >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>>>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, the >>>>>>>>>>> Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth and >>>>>>>>>> learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely >>>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us >>>>>>>>>> random to >>>>>>>>>> Drelb too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a >>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are >>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>>> false... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>>> entities, >>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> . >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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