2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull >>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to >>>>>>> fall, it >>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based >>>>>>> extensions, >>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>>>>> realms of higher measure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) >>>>> just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. >>>>> Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is >>>>> (approximately) halved. >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, that is ASSA... >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous >>>>>>> situations (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half >>>>> with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before >>>>> the >>>>> trigger pull)? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more >>>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, >>>>>> simple >>>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely >>>>>> survival. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >>>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >>>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic >>>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning >>>>>> of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities >>>>>> to find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to >>>>>> one... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current >>>>> experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you >>>>> living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by >>>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by >>>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun, >>>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >>>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and >>>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are >>>>> dead, >>>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note >>>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in >>>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while >>>>> the >>>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. >>>>> After >>>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those >>>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >>>>> realm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say concerning >>> the above analysis? >>> >> >> That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next >> continuations. >> >> > Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not > apply relative measure to these? >
You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will always be less likely than simple physical explanation for your current moment... It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now. Quentin > If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a 10% > chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we can. > > Jason > > > >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even >>>>>> near death. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low >>>>> (relative) probability. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Quentin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>>>>>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a écrit >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth >>>>>>>>>>>> and learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely >>>>>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us >>>>>>>>>>>> random to >>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a >>>>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are >>>>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>>>>> false... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>>>>> entities, >>>>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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