On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still >>>>>> being >>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull >>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall, >>>>>> it >>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions, >>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>>>> realms of higher measure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) >>>> just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. >>>> Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is >>>> (approximately) halved. >>>> >>> >>> No, that is ASSA... >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations >>>>>> (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>>>> >>>> >>>> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half >>>> with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before the >>>> trigger pull)? >>>> >>>> >>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more >>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, >>>>> simple >>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely >>>>> survival. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic >>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>>>> >>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning >>>>> of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities >>>>> to find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to >>>>> one... >>>>> >>>> >>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current >>>> experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you >>>> living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by >>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by >>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun, >>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and >>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead, >>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note >>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in >>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while the >>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. After >>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those >>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >>>> realm. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say concerning >> the above analysis? >> > > That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next > continuations. > > Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not apply relative measure to these? If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a 10% chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we can. Jason > Quentin > > >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> >>> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even >>>>> near death. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low >>>> (relative) probability. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>>> Quentin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>>>>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, >>>>>>>>>>>> the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth >>>>>>>>>>> and learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely >>>>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us >>>>>>>>>>> random to >>>>>>>>>>> Drelb too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a >>>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are >>>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>>>> false... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>>>> entities, >>>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> . >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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