Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

`On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:`
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> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux
>>>>>> <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>>>> Measure is relative,
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>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb
>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull
>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall,
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>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based
>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions,
>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those
>>>>>> realms of higher measure.
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>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death.
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>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique,
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>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations.
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>>>> In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) )
>>>> just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal.
>>>> Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is
>>>> (approximately) halved.
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>>> No, that is ASSA...
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>>>>>>  especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations
>>>>>> (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging).
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>>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop,
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>>>> Relative to what?  Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half
>>>> with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before the
>>>> trigger pull)?
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>>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more
>>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher,
>>>>> simple
>>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely
>>>>> survival.
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>>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the
>>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels?  What would you say your
>>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic
>>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)?
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>>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one...
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>>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here?
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>>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning
>>>>> of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities
>>>>> to find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to
>>>>> one...
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>>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current
>>>> experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you
>>>> living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by
>>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by
>>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun,
>>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50
>>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and
>>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead,
>>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note
>>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in
>>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while the
>>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time.  After
>>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those
>>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different
>>>> realm.
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>> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say concerning
>> the above analysis?
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> That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next
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Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not apply
relative measure to these?  If not, it seems impossible to make predictions
such as "there is a 10% chance you will observe the photon to land in this
spot", but we can.

Jason

> Quentin
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>>>   the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even
>>>>> near death.
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>>>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low
>>>> (relative) probability.
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>>>> Jason
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>>>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead.
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>>>>>> Subjectively you cannot die.  And in an infinitely large and varied
>>>>>> universe, many strange things may happen.
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>>>>>> Jason
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>>>>>>  Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <jasonre...@gmail.com> a écrit :
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>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>  On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their
>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shermer
>>>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by
>>>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous
>>>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it?
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>>>>>>>>>>>  If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth
>>>>>>>>>>> and learn everything about us and everything we do.
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>>>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely
>>>>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses.  FPI would make us
>>>>>>>>>>> random to
>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb too.
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>>>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too.
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>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a
>>>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are
>>>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge.
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>>>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is
>>>>>>>>> false...
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>>>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may
>>>>>>>> result.  Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like
>>>>>>>> entities,
>>>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason
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