There is no FTL because this is not a physical dimensional space, it's a 
computational space. The notion of 'together' is computational interaction 
rather than dimensional co-location.

Clock time doesn't produce the processor cycles because clock times are 
computed by those cycles. Only a separate Present moment P-time can provide 
processor cycles that clock time can be computed within.


On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:36:31 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
> On 14 January 2014 14:15, Edgar L. Owen < <javascript:>>wrote:
>> Liz,
>> Good question which I've given a lot of thought to and which is still not 
>> completely clear in my mind...
>> The processors are not separate physical entities processing the data and 
>> they are not separated from the data (the information).
> They aren't physical entities at all, according to what you've said 
> previously. I would imagine they're best described as abstract entities.
>>  So far as I can see all actual information has to include both 
>> applicable code and data in a single evolving information structure. That 
>> seems to me the only way the processor, code and data states can always be 
>> together where the computations actually occur. They probably occur only at 
>> the most elemental level so there have to be googles of these elemental 
>> computations taking place in every processor cycle.
> Well, code and data can be the same thing, for example in Lisp. Given 
> googles of these processors interacting only with their closest neighbours, 
> as I assume they must if no influences are to travel FTL, then you do have 
> something at least somewhat analogous to the Game of Life. The next logical 
> question is what is an elemental computation?
>> So the actual picture is more like computationally evolving information 
>> rather than the PC model of code strings passing through silicon processors 
>> sequentially accessing data as needed. All the information that makes up 
>> the universe has to include its own applicable (and likely pretty simple) 
>> rules of evolution as it interacts with other information.
> So perhaps you have something like a Turing machine here. A state table 
> and input/output data. (With the possible proviso that the state table can 
> be rewritten?)
>> Since all information exists only in the present moment processor cycle 
>> there cannot be any information code sequences that are waiting to be 
>> processed (as there are in silicon code). Because they would correspond to 
>> a pre-determined future. Everything has to be re-computed in the current 
>> p-time cycle. Anything that is not re-computed is left behind in the past 
>> and thus ceases to exist.
> Well, in a normal computer (von Neumann type) on any given clock cycle 
> there is a processor state, and in a sense that's all there is (there are 
> also signals on the I/O ports and external patterns of data, such as the 
> current state of the memory and the hard drive, and any other items that 
> are connected to the processor, but these are all "latent" in a sense - the 
> processor is only aware of its own state),
>> Thus it is not information data states waiting to be computed by strings 
>> of pre-existing code sequences. That doesn't work because when multiple 
>> code sequences predicting a local future interact there would inevitably be 
>> inconsistencies and the computations would fall apart. Not sure if this is 
>> clear or not.
> It sounds as though there are no programmes. There are only data states. 
> Sorry to keep saying this but it does sound like a version of the Game of 
> Life (although presumably a far more advanced one than Conway imagined). 
>> Thus everything that exists is in a continual state of re-computation in 
>> every processor cycle. What exists is the active evolution of all 
>> information, not sequential static data states one after the other.
> Presmably all the information involved can be represented digitally? If 
> so, then it can only take on certain values - a single processor would 
> perhaps be storing a particular number on a given clock cycle. The limiting 
> case would be a single bit - which is what happens in the Game of Life. 
> More likely, if the processors are going to output the universe, they would 
> have to store larger value, but one of a finite range of values.
> I'm not sure I see how the "active evolution" differs from "sequential 
> data states", given that the computations are synchronised by a universal 
> clock.

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