On 19 January 2014 16:19, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote:

> Dear LizR,
>    Here is one way to see my worry. I can put my desktop under a scanning
> tunneling microscope and various devices. Will it still operate the same
> while it is scanned down its version of the substitution level? I don't
> know, but that does not really bother me. I worry about people that make
> claims that they can know what software is running on my machine just by
> inspecting the parts.
>   Sure, I can do neat analysis of what might be occurring, but do I really
> know? In the case of a distributed network and a type of lambda calculus
> that the people I work with and I are studying, there are strong theorems
> that prove that your could not tell what software in running on it even if
> you could scan it down to substitution levels.
>   It is findings like that that re-energize my distrust in the p-zombies.
> There is simply no way to know for sure that one is talking to a p-zombie.
> ELIZA very well could be self-aware and not know it is talking to you at
> all.
> I find it hard to believe in p-zombies for all sorts of reasons. (Except
when talking to certain relatives-in-law, but I won't go into that...)

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