Dear Russell,

 Hattip for the reference to Global Workspace theory.

http://cogweb.ucla.edu/CogSci/GWorkspace.html

Very nice! I think that it is consistent with Bruno's Lob theorem idea
(which i like a lot!).


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:

> My information comes from New Scientist, so its not specialist
> knowledge.
>
> That said, Global Workspace Theory appears to be empirically confirmed
> by the latest neuroscience, and that would be the space where the
> system integrates the outputs of its various subsystems, ie is
> self-conscious.
>
> The other idea that is interesting in quite the same way is Tononi's
> integrated information measure of brain activity.
>
> Whilst all of this is cutting edge, and hence subject to revision as
> new research is done, it does seem to me that it will be quite
> possible to have a measure of a system that indicates self-awareness
> (given sufficient time series data of its components).
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:10:42PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> > Dear Russel,
> >
> >   Can we detect self-modeling in our brains now? I have been doing some
> > research into Secure computation, trust me, my team is pretty sure that
> we
> > can make computations look like noise on the network.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au
> >wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 02:48:53PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> > > > Dare Jason,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So why can't zombies have intentions? Remember the only thing
> zombies
> > > > > supposedly lack is qualia. If a zombie is hungry and goes out to
> buy a
> > > > > burger, I would say it had an intention to fill its stomach.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Intentions require self-models. Zombies by definition cannot have
> > > > self-models otherwise they would have first person experience. My
> point
> > > is
> > > > that I am claiming that self-models are, content-wise, the same as
> first
> > > > person experience. 1-p is, after all what we are considering that a
> > > zombie
> > > > does not have, so how can it have intentionality? It has no object to
> > > whom
> > > > the intention obtains, thus no intentionality.
> > >
> > > I don't see the obviousness in "Zombies by definition cannot have
> > > self-models otherwise they would have first person experience". The
> > > presence of a self model is something that is objectively verifiable,
> > > by albeit rather intrusive neurophysiological means. Your statement
> > > would entail a physical difference between a zombie and a non-zombie,
> > > whereas, conventionally a p-zombie is physically indistinguishable
> > > from the conscious person.
> > >
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