On 10 Aug 2017, at 16:35, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> That does not compute. If BOTH answer are correct then
the Helsinki man will see Moscow AND Washington not Moscow
OR Washington. Come on Bruno, this isn't rocket science.
> Let us ask all the copies if any of them saw M and W.
Why ask them that?
By definition of the first person notion, and the question of
predicting a first person experience;
The bet isn't about what any one copy will see because we already
know what that will be with 100% certainty, Mr. W will see W and Mr.
M will see M. The bet, at least as I see it, is "Tomorrow how many
cities will beings who remember asking the question today be in?".
If that's not the bet then I have no idea what the bet is and I very
strongly suspect you don't know either.
> Oops, none of them saw two cities
One can't be in 2 cities at the same time, but 2 can be,
Sure, in the 3p views, that's part of the problem, given that after
the duplication, you, in the 1p view will be unique, with probability
one in Helsinki.
Bruno
and so can Bruno Marchal because Bruno Marchal has been
duplicated. That's what "duplicated" means and duplication has
consequences, and some of them are odd, not paradoxical just
odd.
I've asked the following question 4 times and you've refused to
answer 4 times but I'm going to ask for a fifth time because it gets
to the very heart of the topic:
Are the following 2 questions equivalent?
1) What will I see tomorrow?
2) Tomorrow what will the person who remembers being me right now see?
I can answer that question and the answer is YES. You should be able
to answer it too with a simple YES or NO, and I don't want to hear
any pee dodges of the question because the same level of pee and
iterations of pee and any other convolutions of pee applies equally
to both questions. So are they equivalent or are they not? If you
can't provide a simple one word answer to that question then you
quite literally don't know what you're arguing in favor of and
you're wasting your time and ours.
John K Clark
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