On 5/28/2019 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 May 2019, at 02:33, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com
<mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be
<mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:
>> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of
consciousness" because nobody knows exactly what the question
is or what criteria is to be used to determine if its been
successfully answered.
> /So you don’t understand it.//
/
Correct, I don't know the question so I have no way of knowing
There are operational version of the problem, like what would be a
criteria to allow a Japanese sexual automaton to get her human clients
to be sent in jail for having lack some respect toward IT/HER/HIM.
What's the criteria to allow a Japanese prostitute to get her human
clients to be sent in jail for having lack some respect toward IT/HER/HIM?
You have agreed that two identical digital brain, physically realised
in different place, doing the same computations, would support one
consciousness, but you keep believing that physics is enough to
predict our first person experience. Such prediction assumes that we
know which computation support us, and that it is unique. This might
not been the case, even with physicalism,
Which?... that we don't know which computation supports us or that it is
not unique? The former is almost certainly the case.
Brent
and is provably not the case with mechanism, as arithmetic execute all
“Boltzman Brain”, in fact just all computations.
if it's been successfully answered or not and after communicating
with you for years I don't think even you what would satisfy you. If
I could prove with mathematical certitude that X caused consciousness
would you say the issue had been put to bed and its time to move on
to other things?
On the contrary, I prove, in the frame of my working hypothesis, that
this is impossible.
Bruno
I doubt it, I think you'd say(correctly) that X may cause
consciousness but X is not consciousness. And the tail chasing would
continuebecause you don't know what exactly you want to know.
/>It is not so astonishing. That explains your lack of interest
in greek philosophy./
The fact that you ARE interested in Greek philosophy is tacit
admission on your part that the field you're so interested in has not
advanced one nanometer in 2500 years; after all no modern astronomer
would dream of studying Greek astronomical theories with the hope of
it helping him in has work because astronomy has advanced light years
in the last 2500 years; and the same is also true for medicine and
mathematics and physics, but not for Greek philosophy..
> The worst theologian are those who claim to know the truth.
I agree, and the second worst type of theologian are those that
abandon the idea of God but believe they have made a great
philosophical discovery by not abandoned the ASCII sequence G-O-D.
John K Clark
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