Am Di, 15. Dez 2020, um 02:22, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > I agree. I'm an advocate of the engineering solution to the "hard problem > of consciousness". When we can build AI's that act intelligently and explain > their conscious thoughts and we can adjust them so that they are more or less > humorous or optimistic v. pessimstic or intuitive v. contemplative, > etc...then we will have understood as much as there is to understand about > consciousness.
Or, at least, you will have a conscious experience of understanding as much as there is to understand. Perhaps not me. Telmo. > Brent > > > On 12/14/2020 4:46 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> I wince when people bring consciousness into scientific discussions. It is >> not entirely clear how consciousness can ever be a fully scientific subject. >> Maybe within the soft problem limits it can be somewhat scientific. The >> qualia or hard problem I think is outside of science. >> >> LC >> >> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 7:36:08 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> * >> On 12/13/2020 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:* >>>> * * >>>>> *>> We cannot start from consciousness,* >>> >>> I agree because the scientific method is of no use for consciousness. So >>> instead start with Intelligent behavior, aka The Turing Test. >>> >>>> *> and we cannot start with matter, which are the notion that we have to >>>> explain from numbers,* >>> >>> That is an unwarranted assumption on your part. You don't need numbers to >>> explain matter, you need matter to explain numbers. >>> >>>> >>>> > *Why can't you start from consciousness. It's more immediately known >>>> > than numbers. * >>> >>> Why can't you start from intelligent behavior. It's more immediately known >>> than either. It takes intelligence to conclude "I think therefore I am". >>> >>> John K Clark >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cb9dcbd1-5106-43a2-8549-67e43ca1272dn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cb9dcbd1-5106-43a2-8549-67e43ca1272dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6620625e-1f8f-9b9f-81cb-f47d432160d6%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6620625e-1f8f-9b9f-81cb-f47d432160d6%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/324a0c65-8845-49d1-9fe1-b8ed941156a3%40www.fastmail.com.
