I think with cyber-neural interlinks where we will have thoughts and sensations communicated we will come maybe to some understanding. The barrier between subjectivity and objectivity will be at least partially penetrated.
LC On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:22:57 PM UTC-6 Brent wrote: > I agree. I'm an advocate of the engineering solution to the "hard > problem of consciousness". When we can build AI's that act intelligently > and explain their conscious thoughts and we can adjust them so that they > are more or less humorous or optimistic v. pessimstic or intuitive v. > contemplative, etc...then we will have understood as much as there is to > understand about consciousness. > > Brent > > > On 12/14/2020 4:46 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > I wince when people bring consciousness into scientific discussions. It is > not entirely clear how consciousness can ever be a fully scientific > subject. Maybe within the soft problem limits it can be somewhat > scientific. The qualia or hard problem I think is outside of science. > > LC > > On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 7:36:08 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> * >> On 12/13/2020 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:* >>> >>> >> >> * >> We cannot start from consciousness,* >>> >>> >> I agree because the scientific method is of no use for consciousness. So >> instead start with Intelligent behavior, aka The Turing Test. >> >> >>> *> and we cannot start with matter, which are the notion that we have to >>> explain from numbers,* >> >> >> That is an unwarranted assumption on your part. You don't need numbers to >> explain matter, you need matter to explain numbers. >> >> > *Why can't you start from consciousness. It's more immediately known >>> than numbers. * >> >> >> Why can't you start from intelligent behavior. It's more immediately >> known than either. It takes intelligence to conclude "I think therefore I >> am". >> >> John K Clark >> > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cb9dcbd1-5106-43a2-8549-67e43ca1272dn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cb9dcbd1-5106-43a2-8549-67e43ca1272dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b60e4f40-77c7-4369-ab91-4940e9142a79n%40googlegroups.com.
