On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 3:22:57 AM UTC+1 Brent wrote:

>  I agree.  I'm an advocate of the engineering solution to the "hard 
> problem of consciousness".  When we can build AI's that act intelligently 
> and explain their conscious thoughts and we can adjust them so that they 
> are more or less humorous or optimistic v. pessimstic or intuitive v. 
> contemplative, etc...then we will have understood as much as there is to 
> understand about consciousness.
>

It's true that e.g. classical mechanics asserts F = ma independently of 
discussions that concern topics of truth, consciousness, etc. Most of 
science, including large parts of mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology 
etc. don't need more than an implicit notion of truth, where if I were to 
say F = m/a in newtonian contexts, you'd be able to say "false". 

Yet, if for arguments sake, we pursued your proposed engineering solution 
to the hard problem ignoring philosophy (contradictory, as that IS 
philosophical already), and were actually able to build the most humorous 
AI that inherited our taste for resource and power acquisition by any means 
in all directions, it would take over the world and that would be the 
funniest thing ever, until it had completed its task. 

With technologies becoming more powerful extensions of ourselves and our 
wants, aside from e.g. survival situations like pandemics, wars, etc. it's 
more relevant than ever to abstain from just building things brainlessly, 
without examining our wants, the assumed place and purpose of a technology 
in our commons, and their relationship to what/how that technology will be 
applied. PGC
 

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