I agree. I'm an advocate of the engineering solution to the "hard
problem of consciousness". When we can build AI's that act
intelligently and explain their conscious thoughts and we can adjust
them so that they are more or less humorous or optimistic v. pessimstic
or intuitive v. contemplative, etc...then we will have understood as
much as there is to understand about consciousness.
Brent
On 12/14/2020 4:46 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
I wince when people bring consciousness into scientific discussions.
It is not entirely clear how consciousness can ever be a fully
scientific subject. Maybe within the soft problem limits it can be
somewhat scientific. The qualia or hard problem I think is outside of
science.
LC
On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 7:36:08 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
<[email protected]> wrote:
/>> On 12/13/2020 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:/
//
/>> We cannot start from consciousness,/
I agree because the scientific method is of no use for
consciousness. So instead start with Intelligent behavior, aka The
Turing Test.
/> and we cannot start with matter, which are the notion that
we have to explain from numbers,/
That is an unwarranted assumption on your part. You don't need
numbers to explain matter, you need matter to explain numbers.
> /Why can't you start from consciousness. It's more
immediately known than numbers. /
Why can't you start from intelligent behavior. It's more
immediately known than either. It takes intelligence to conclude
"I think therefore I am".
John K Clark
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