Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 20:15, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 12/16/2020 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> >>> >>> On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about >>>>>> it while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I >>>>>> might have a good question. I propose another take: the discussion so >>>>>> far has been in terms of quanta, but what if we reframed it in terms of >>>>>> qualia? >>>>>> >>>>>> Imagine the "universe" in terms of the set of all first-person >>>>>> experience moments of all of its inhabitants. Is there a limit to >>>>>> novelty here? Or can qualia also display unbounded complexity? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With Mechanism, we have to separate clearly the ontology, which is given >>>>> by the minimal things that we have to assume because we cannot derive >>>>> them from simpler thing, and which has to be enough rich to support a >>>>> universal machine. There is some amount of latitude here, because we can >>>>> assume any universal machinery(*). As everyone believe already in natural >>>>> numbers and the laws of addition and multiplication, I use them (albeit >>>>> in my course I prefer to use the combinators, but once we have them we >>>>> have the numbers+laws, and vice versa. >>>> >>>> Still, don't you find it incredibly strange that such a thing exists to >>>> being with? >>> >>> You wouldn't if you thought about the evolution of mind and how it serves >>> in natural selection. Counting is very useful. Even animals do it. >>> >> >> I am aware. What I mean is that it is incredibly strange that anything >> exists at all. > > If nothing existed that would be a contradiction in terms. :-) >
The trick is to use French: "rien n'existe" :) Telmo > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/caf70dbb-1e6f-f4ae-8cbd-6228e4c7970e%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/caf70dbb-1e6f-f4ae-8cbd-6228e4c7970e%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/19d9c498-ad2d-4723-a9a8-6895102403ac%40www.fastmail.com.
