On 12/16/2020 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List:
On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal:
On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]
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Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking
about it while following the discussion. I don't have a good
answer, but I might have a good question. I propose another take:
the discussion so far has been in terms of quanta, but what if we
reframed it in terms of qualia?
Imagine the "universe" in terms of the set of all first-person
experience moments of all of its inhabitants. Is there a limit to
novelty here? Or can qualia also display unbounded complexity?
With Mechanism, we have to separate clearly the ontology, which is
given by the minimal things that we have to assume because we
cannot derive them from simpler thing, and which has to be enough
rich to support a universal machine. There is some amount of
latitude here, because we can assume any universal machinery(*). As
everyone believe already in natural numbers and the laws of
addition and multiplication, I use them (albeit in my course I
prefer to use the combinators, but once we have them we have the
numbers+laws, and vice versa.
Still, don't you find it incredibly strange that such a thing exists
to being with?
You wouldn't if you thought about the evolution of mind and how it
serves in natural selection. Counting is very useful. Even animals
do it.
I am aware. What I mean is that it is incredibly strange that anything
exists at all.
If nothing existed that would be a contradiction in terms. :-)
Brent
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