I don't think that anyone is trying to silence anyone because they
don't agree with them.

This used to be the most tolerant, friendly, supportive place on the
Internet, for my money.   I used to really value it just because
everyone was entitled to their opinion, and you didn't see a lot of
fingerpointing, accusations, inflammatory phrasing (such as "toe
amputation"), etc.  I never let my cats outside, but there are/have
been list members who do/did, and no one jumped up and down and
hollered about how they shouldn't do that.  Similarly mixing FELV+
with FELV- cats.  Everyone was allowed to make their own decisions
without being called irresponsible, crazy, stupid, or any other such
judgemental word.  Many of us liked it that way, and a few of us have
stuck around, me because I have a hell of a thick skin (you really
have to, to do rescue), and some others because there has been a lot
of innacurate information dispensed and they really hate to see it.

Heck, I don't even HAVE any FELV+ cats (I had a kitten come up pos at
one time, which is why I came here, and it was so nice, friendly and
supportive, I stayed).  It was also one of the best places to look for
advice/information on general cat care, etc.  It isn't anymore, and
that makes many of us sad, and lots of the oldtimers have left.
There's enough grief in caring for sick cats, without creating a bunch
of bickering and infighting.

> And let us also remember, that when you say its our list, that "our"
> includes Glenda and Susan as well. I believe, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
> once said, "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the
> hateful words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence
> of the good people.  I don't think anyone here has the right to try and
> silence anyone else on this list.  We all have opinions, and we're all
> entitled to share those opinions whether you like them or agree with them or
> not.   I'm relatively new to the group, I'll admit, but you lose your
> fundamental credibility when you start trying to silence certain people
> because you don't agree with them.  Look, I think many of us, some of whom
> are too shy to speak out, are horrified at the thought of a shelter
> declawing all their cats and mixing positives.  So I don't think its fair to
> single out Glenda and Susan.  Opinionated they may be, but they have every
> right to voice that opinion, just like the people who defend toe amputation.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, Sep 26 1:57 AM
> Subject: list matters
> I think it's pretty out in the open now.  Susan and Glenda tend to judge
> others on the list.  This is OUR list.  We can ignore and correct
> misinformation when it comes from anyone.  This has always been THE most
> supportive and informative list I have ever been on.  Let's not lose the
> list due to a few people.
> tonya
> Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WHATEVER!!! I am sorry that this has come to what it is.do you think
> everything you do is perfect!!??
> Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, THAT rant was intended for one person on this list.
> However, let me just tell you this, if a REPUTABLE, ETHICAL  vet in the area
> finds out what this woman is doing, they will most likely have AC on her.
> When you start running out of room to separate your diseases, you stop
> intake.
> period.
> You do not begin to "mix" them.
> That is basic shelter 101.
> And no, it never feels good to know that you cannot help them all.
> However, she could take some of that money that she is using to declaw cats
> and build another room, hence, separating her diseases.
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>                                   "As Cleopatra lay in
> state,
>                                    Faithful Bast at her
> side did wait,
>                                    Purring welcomes of soft
> applause,
>                                    Ever guarding with
> sharpened claws."
>                                              Trajan Tennent
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Dubose
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!
> This "shelter"mixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to
> separate..!  Read below.........
> What kind of hellhole is this?
> It's called "crash landing"
> PLease do not forward..........
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