for many years, none of us had any problem saying, "in my opinion," or,
"this is what my vet recommended, " or "this is what has worked for me"--and
newcomers do NOT know that there are no vets on the list, they do NOT know
when they are being given flat-out WRONG information. there has been
DANGEROUS, in some cases possibly life-threatening information put out on
this list in the past few months by people who presented it as if it had
been handed to them on stone tablets.

there is a HUGE difference between a suggestion, and the kind of
proclamations that have become the norm on the list.


On 9/27/07, Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I think we all can agree that an unspoken disclaimer exists in this
> community. None of us is a vet. We give advice based upon experience. It is
> understood that we are not prescribing anything as a vet would. If a person
> does not agree with a suggestion for a sick cat, it is his/her choice to
> speak up. The only way we learn is though the suggestions of members here.
> As you ALL know, there are so many varied experiences with many different
> ailments that it helps to have a wide range of suggestions. No one on this
> list claims to be the be-all-end-all of veterinary medicine. We are only
> doing the best we can with what we know. Some of us are new to this, so the
> suggestions of veteran members are appreciated, and the variety of opinions
> is valuable. If you do not agree with the suggestions below, please just
> give your advice to the contrary.
>
>
>
> This is all getting so stupid. I'm thinking about leaving to go to
> Michael's list too. I'll hang around and see if things improve here, but the
> drama is unbearable at this point. Even after Susan D. has left the group,
> we are still arguing about this! Enough already.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *MaryChristine
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:25 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: OT: Kitten Question
>
>
>
> you are prescribing medicine without a license.
>
> On 9/25/07, *Susan Dubose* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Caroline,
>
> Have the little kittens had a fecal yet?
>
> If not, I recommend getting one performed.
>
> Coccidia, Giardia & spirokettes(?) are all possibilities.
>
> Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even
> w/one
> of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days
> even weeks later.
>
> Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their
> weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver
> problems.
> However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense.
>
> Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will
> help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture
> that
> they need.
>
> You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the
>
> necessary electrolytes that they are losing.
>
> Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration.
>
> Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck!
>
> signed,
> Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual.......
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>                                   "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>                                    Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>                                    Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>                                    Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
>                                              Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kat" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question
>
>
> Hi Caroline,
>
> They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi.  It tends to wipe out
> the good gut bacteria with the baddies.  Try adding some probiotics to
> their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help
> rebuild the good gut bacteria.
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400
> > From: Caroline Kaufmann < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: OT: Kitten Question
> >
> >
> > I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the
> on-site
> > adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday.  He was bigger and
> > totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the
> > instigator and a bad influence on the other ones.  He was a  B/W little
> > Kittler, so it figures!
> > Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of
> diarrhea?  And
> > I don't know what the cause is?  I'm not doing anything different with
> > them.  They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic
> > dry kitten.  Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the
> > a.m., and the same in the evening.  When I leave for work, after they
> have
> > eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because
> > they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with
> some
> > food.  They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their
> > waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get
> > home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered
> "coop
> > cups" from Revival, so these should solve that problem).
> > On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and
> > Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now).  In the pm, I
> do
> > the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs
> each.
> > I just placed an order for "Just Born with Colostrum" and will be
> > switching them to that when I get it.
> > I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know
>
> > if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure.
> > The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one
> > that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with
> me,
> > it's a little eating and growing machine!).  The biggest- Yoda- the
> first
> > one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him
> > on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs
> > 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend!!!!  He's a growing
> > monster.
> >
> > So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and
> > getting noticeably bigger.  They run and play like maniacs (they have so
>
> > MUCH energy!  My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and
> > supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for
> > play-time.  They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust
> > those URI's out of them, but I finally did it.  I stopped the
> Amoxicillin
> > well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea?  But now
> > they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea.  Yoda seems
> to
> > be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate
> to
> > himself and the other two share one).  My first foster cat- which I
> guess
> > I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a "kitten" but a big,
> healthy
> > mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets
> > fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice
> > Wellness Dry Core.  She mingles with the kittens now during "play-time"
> > and she is not having any diarrhea.
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and
> what
> > I can do about it?
> >
> > I'd appreciate some help!  I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I
> just
> > don't know much about them...
> > -Caroline
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>
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