Phaewryn was taking a break. She isn't good at regulating her words so much, but she IS good at knowing when she needs to step back in order to not become disruptive. IMHO.
On 9/27/07, Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yes, I understand this, but isn't this why Phaewryn or Jennifer or whoever > left a while back? If I remember right, she was disgusted by the use of > Animal Communicators because they are not scientifically proven, etc. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she felt that suggesting the use of an > AC does more harm than good since science is being abandoned for what some > consider to be a scam or a witchdoctor or whatever. I have no experience > with ACs, so these are not my views, but I remember people ganging up on her > several months ago when she was trying to debunk what she thought was > harmful information. > > > > I completely understand what you guys mean, but I just thought that the > comment by MC was merely an extension of the fight and nothing more. I > apologize for any misunderstanding. > > > > Melissa > ________________________________ > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Susan Hoffman > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: We are not vets > > > > > I'm with MC on this. This has been a problem on other lists that I am on > and fortunately the mods are willing to kick people to the curb if they are > giving out questionable advice, especially without some sort of express > disclaimer. Newbies do not understand that advice may be very wrong. Often > they are looking for any glimmer of hope and would willingly buy snake oil > if they thought it might save a cat they loved. > > MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > for many years, none of us had any problem saying, "in my opinion," or, > "this is what my vet recommended, " or "this is what has worked for me"--and > newcomers do NOT know that there are no vets on the list, they do NOT know > when they are being given flat-out WRONG information. there has been > DANGEROUS, in some cases possibly life-threatening information put out on > this list in the past few months by people who presented it as if it had > been handed to them on stone tablets. > > there is a HUGE difference between a suggestion, and the kind of > proclamations that have become the norm on the list. > > > > On 9/27/07, Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think we all can agree that an unspoken disclaimer exists in this > community. None of us is a vet. We give advice based upon experience. It is > understood that we are not prescribing anything as a vet would. If a person > does not agree with a suggestion for a sick cat, it is his/her choice to > speak up. The only way we learn is though the suggestions of members here. > As you ALL know, there are so many varied experiences with many different > ailments that it helps to have a wide range of suggestions. No one on this > list claims to be the be-all-end-all of veterinary medicine. We are only > doing the best we can with what we know. Some of us are new to this, so the > suggestions of veteran members are appreciated, and the variety of opinions > is valuable. If you do not agree with the suggestions below, please just > give your advice to the contrary. > > > > > > This is all getting so stupid. I'm thinking about leaving to go to Michael's > list too. I'll hang around and see if things improve here, but the drama is > unbearable at this point. Even after Susan D. has left the group, we are > still arguing about this! Enough already. > > > > > > Melissa > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > MaryChristine > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question > > > > > > you are prescribing medicine without a license. > > > On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Caroline, > > Have the little kittens had a fecal yet? > > If not, I recommend getting one performed. > > Coccidia, Giardia & spirokettes(?) are all possibilities. > > Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one > of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days > even weeks later. > > Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their > weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver problems. > However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense. > > Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will > help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture that > they need. > > You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the > necessary electrolytes that they are losing. > > Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration. > > Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck! > > signed, > Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual....... > :) > > > > Susan J. DuBose >^..^< > www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com > www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org > www.shadowcats.net > "As Cleopatra lay in > state, > Faithful Bast at her > side did wait, > Purring welcomes of soft > applause, > Ever guarding with > sharpened claws." > Trajan Tennent > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kat" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question > > > Hi Caroline, > > They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out > the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to > their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help > rebuild the good gut bacteria. > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400 > > From: Caroline Kaufmann < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: OT: Kitten Question > > > > > > I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site > > adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and > > totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the > > instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little > > Kittler, so it figures! > > Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And > > I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with > > them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic > > dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the > > a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have > > eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because > > they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some > > food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their > > waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get > > home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered "coop > > cups" from Revival, so these should solve that problem). > > On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and > > Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do > > the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. > > I just placed an order for "Just Born with Colostrum" and will be > > switching them to that when I get it. > > I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know > > if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. > > The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one > > that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, > > it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first > > one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him > > on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs > > 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend!!!! He's a growing > > monster. > > > > So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and > > getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so > > MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and > > supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for > > play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust > > those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin > > well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now > > they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to > > be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to > > himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess > > I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a "kitten" but a big, healthy > > mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets > > fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice > > Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during "play-time" > > and she is not having any diarrhea. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what > > I can do about it? > > > > I'd appreciate some help! I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just > > don't know much about them... > > -Caroline > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Gear up for Halo(r) 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. 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