On Aug 29, 2009, at 09:31:29, Dick Guertin wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Peter Hosey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 08:48:41, Dick Guertin wrote:
>>> I installed Adium so I could use Stanford's IM system.  Part of  
>>> that install asked me to install Growl …
>>
>> Not exactly true. You had already installed Adium; the prompt comes  
>> up
>> when you run Adium for the first time.
>
> Nitpicking again.  You know what I meant when I said "part of that  
> install".

Many users don't understand where Adium's install process ends, so  
even if you know better, it's worth not letting the misstatement stand  
uncorrected, for the benefit of other, less-experienced users who may  
read this thread later.

> I could not see any recognizable Application names.  I'd have to  
> restart my
> computer to get another set of Recovered Files.  I may do that and  
> send a
> separate response with that information.

Please do.

>>> I still don't see GrowlMenu, unless that means the Growl icon on  
>>> the menu bar, which only appears if I open System Preferences ->  
>>> Growl.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it does mean that.
>>
>> So, what happens when you uncheck and recheck the “Show Growl icon in
>> the menu bar” checkbox?
>
> Uncheck causes the icon to disappear, recheck causes it to reappear.

Sorry, my question was unclear. What happens to the Login Items list  
after you uncheck and recheck that box?

>> If “Start Growl on login” is checked, then GrowlHelperApp should be  
>> in your log-in items. …
>
> I do NOT have "Start Growl  at login" checked, yet when I look at  
> Growl in System Preferences, Growl is running.

There's a difference between having Growl turned on and having “Start  
Growl at login” turned on.

You have Growl turned on. When you open the Growl prefpane, it checks  
whether Growl is turned on and whether it is running. Since it is  
turned on and is not running, it starts it for you, so you see “Growl  
is running” (what you would expect to see, having Growl turned on).

But if you don't have “start Growl at log-in” turned on, it doesn't  
start at log-in—only when you open the prefpane.

> So what you're saying is that Accounts -> Login Items has NOTHING to  
> do with what you call "log-in".

No, I'm not.

> Everything is in Growl Preference Pane.

The controls to add GrowlHelperApp and GrowlMenu to the Login Items  
list, and to remove them from it, are in the Growl prefpane, because  
the alternative is to make you root around inside the prefpane to do  
that. It's an easier way to add those two implementation-detail  
applications to the list; that's all.

> The confusion for me was the fact that there are Login Items under  
> Accounts
> in System Preferences, and those in Growl are separate.

They are not. The controls in the Growl prefpane are nothing but an  
easier way of adding GrowlHelperApp and GrowlMenu to the Login Items  
list and removing them from it.


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