Although, this sense of being 'thinker of thoughts' and 'agent of action' seems
to co-exist with thinking the self is autonomous...
On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:22 AM, MarshaV wrote:
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> Hi Horse,
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> I agree with you. If there is no autonomous self, there is no autonomous
> self that has free will, and the talk of moral responsibility and moral laws
> seems out-of-place.
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> Marsha
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> On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Horse wrote:
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>> Hi folks
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>> On 17/08/2011 11:20, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>> Marsha, I don't call that rejection, but a warning as to the illusory
>>> nature of the autonomous individual self.
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>> What is the difference between an 'autonomous individual self ' and an
>> 'autonomous moral agent'? I'm having a hard time seeing any difference at
>> all given what's been said so far.
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>> So given my current inability to see where there is an effective difference
>> in this discussion:
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>> What is it then that has or expresses free will if not an 'autonomous
>> individual self '.
>> And if this 'autonomous individual self ' is illusory then the conventional
>> way of looking at free will is also illusory.
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>> It seems to me that in all the discussions so far there has been a tendency
>> to fall back to the idea that there is an autonomous moral agent
>> ('autonomous individual self') who 'has' free will and expresses that free
>> will by making free and independent moral choices.
>> This doesn't appear to be the case given many of Pirsigs quotes and
>> references.
>> The overall impression that I get is that the GOF 'Moral Agent' is being
>> shoe-horned into the MoQ where it doesn't quite fit!
>>
>> Horse
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>> --
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>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
>> — Frank Zappa
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