Re: [discuss] Export OpenOffice to IRAN and other americanly forbidden countries.
One quick answer: http://foss4us.org/node/234 In Syria, FLOSS fights an alien embargo Anas Tawileh (29) is based in Cardiff, Wales. But he's doing an unbelievable job in promoting Free/Libre and Open Source Software in his home country, Syria. Says he: We have a very nice point (to make) in Syria. We are currently under a technological embargo from the US. Which means we cannot legally obtain the license for any kind of software, whatever it is. Even Windows 95, Windows 98 or server applications. Because these things are considered as 'high-technology'. So, Anas is just going about building a network based on FLOSS. From ground up. Anas narrates a story: One guy won a personal computer, because he subscribed to a magazine via the Middle East. But because it was violating the US export law, they refused to ship it to him. This leaves his country with only two options. To pirate (i.e. illegally copy) software. But even those who take this route would not be able to access the much-needed support for proprietary software. The other option, points out Anas, is FLOSS. And the Free/Libre and Open Source Software way: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html 6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License. http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. Rationale: In order to get the maximum benefit from the process, the maximum diversity of persons and groups should be equally eligible to contribute to open sources. Therefore we forbid any open-source license from locking anybody out of the process. Some countries, including the United States, have export restrictions for certain types of software. An OSD-conformant license may warn licensees of applicable restrictions and remind them that they are obliged to obey the law; however, it may not incorporate such restrictions itself. And the great thing about Anas Tawileh and the Syrian Linux Users Group is that they are doing more to spread notions of Liberty (known in the Muslim world under the name Justice) than any idiotic rantings and ravings of certain politicians whose names I do not wish to mention, lest like the Black Plague they descend on me ... Wesley Parish Quoting yo yo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, There are american laws that forbid the export of american software to several misconsidered countries like IRAN. Do these laws also apply to OpenSource software in general and to OpenOffice in particular? What is the nationality of openoffice? is it american? or is it countryfree? Thanks, Lionel. __ _ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] ODF question
A few days ago I muttered something about writing a miniature office suite - provisionally labelled Office Miniatures, so now you know! ;) - suitable for handhelds, etc, and using the ODF file format. I've got a question about the ODF format resulting from that - I was wondering if anyone knows enough to give me some help. The XML library that is built small enough for my intentions happens to be LlamaXML and to quote: http://www.llamagraphics.com/LlamaXML/ In order to keep the library small enough for handheld applications, LlamaXML does not provide XML validation, XML Schemas, Document Type Definitions (DTD), and MoveToAttribute methods (Use GetAttribute instead). There is also no support for external entities. LlamaXML only supports the basic four named character entities, which are quot;, lt;, gt;, and amp;. Now, are those details - XML validation, Document Type Definitions, etc - necessary for ODF? I know XML Schemas are, so I expect I'll be working out how to get that supported. But the rest? Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] ODF question
Thanks. I've just sent the email off. FWIW, I intend using ODF as the default file format. ;) Wesley Parish Quoting Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey, None of those things are strictly necessary. You just won't be able to know for certain that the file you're receiving is a valid .odt file. I'm not 100% sure about the character entities, but I don't think you need those either. If you want to develop for ODF, I suggest you come to the OpenDocument Fellowship developers list. We have a very strong team of experts (6 OASIS TC members and about another 5 active experts). I can't think of a better place to get ODF questions answered. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Daniel. Wesley Parish wrote: A few days ago I muttered something about writing a miniature office suite - provisionally labelled Office Miniatures, so now you know! ;) - suitable for handhelds, etc, and using the ODF file format. I've got a question about the ODF format resulting from that - I was wondering if anyone knows enough to give me some help. The XML library that is built small enough for my intentions happens to be LlamaXML and to quote: http://www.llamagraphics.com/LlamaXML/ In order to keep the library small enough for handheld applications, LlamaXML does not provide XML validation, XML Schemas, Document Type Definitions (DTD), and MoveToAttribute methods (Use GetAttribute instead). There is also no support for external entities. LlamaXML only supports the basic four named character entities, which are quot;, lt;, gt;, and amp;. Now, are those details - XML validation, Document Type Definitions, etc - necessary for ODF? I know XML Schemas are, so I expect I'll be working out how to get that supported. But the rest? Thanks Wesley Parish -- /\/`) http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ \/_/ I am not over-weight, I am under-tall. / --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Sooner or Later
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:01, Hinton Carl wrote: Who owns WordPerfect? Corel. They were sold it by Novell, who bought WordPerfect Corp. -Original Message- From: Wesley Parish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2006 10:42 To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [discuss] Sooner or Later Is it worth while pointing out that the favourite word processor of Legal Offices seems to be WordPerfect, and WordPerfect 5.1 had Long Document Names piggybacking Short File Names in 1990, whereas MS Win95, the first Windows to my knowledge that had Long File Names piggybacking Short File Names, came out in 1995? I think it's time to twist the knife. Wesley Parish On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:28, Roger Markus wrote: Microsoft continues to acquire patents for things which have no business being patented. The article below from John Oates at the Register mentions Linux and open source, without specifically naming OpenOffice, but - make no mistake - we are in the same boat as Linux. If Linux is destroyed, so to will be OpenOffice. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/11/microsoft_wins_patent_case/ Re: The US Patent Office has upheld Microsoft's claim of patent rights over its File Allocation Table. The decision reverses two earlier judgements and potentially allows Microsoft to go after open-source developers who use the technology. FAT controls how computers store information to hard drives and other storage devices such as Flash cards. The US Patent and Trademark Office ruled that the file system is novel and non-obvious and, therefore, deserving of a patent. The decision is important because it could mean Microsoft could force open-source distributors to pay it a royalty or remove the software from their products. Open-source software must, by definition, be patent-free. Concerns over patents within some Linux distributions have been blamed for hindering wider adoption of the operating system. Florian Mueller, founder of nosoftwarepatents.com, said the decision gave Microsoft the weapons to attack Linux. Mueller said: This is now a situation in which Microsoft could cause major problems to Linux vendors and users. Microsoft may not want to do that yet for other considerations, but the USPTO's decision gives Microsoft the strategic option to do so at a time of its choosing. Also, the USPTO and even the European Patent Office continue to grant new patents to Microsoft daily, and some of them may be equally dangerous to open source as the FAT patents. The example of the FAT patents shows that all those patent quality initiatives and patent pledges have no significant value to open-source developers, vendors and users if Microsoft ever wants to go for Linux's throat. The US patent agency is either corrupt and/or imbecilic. Unfortunately the rot at the top is spreading. Either we stop the rot or it will rot us. The irony of course is that even if the rot wins, it will lose, because - being a parasite - it cannot live without something to feed upon. Let's put it out of its misery sooner rather than later. We could live with or without Microsoft, but they can't live with us - or so they think, correctly perhaps. They have built up their mighty empire through theft of others' ideas and through regularly breaking the law. They are an illegal bunch of scoundrels. Apparently they realize that they cannot win a fair and open fight and so ever more dirty do they become. To save open source, only the force of honest law and people with backbone and courage can... must... force them to stop ravaging and destroying the computer industry and the freedom of the Internet. I'm ranting and raving? You bet. The stakes are high and ranting after your dreams and livelihood have been destroyed is too bloody late! Now is the time to have some backbone and stand up. While I'm on the subject, here's a call for the Microsoft supporters to get off of this list. You cannot support both Microsoft and OpenOffice. If you support Microsoft, you are for the destruction of OpenOffice and do not belong in this group. Many of us are stuck using Microsoft's illegal software through having no choice - but that is no excuse to raise your voices in support of an illegal tyrant! RM -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office lite
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:48, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Hi, On 1/6/06 1:03 PM Rigel wrote: Daniel, has pointed out, as I understand it, that 90% of the office suite sits on a data processing component that allows the application to do its work. The other 10% is skin's for the applications buttons and windows, as well as some exporting functionality. It is this integration that allows for the transfer of images to text documents, to spreadhseets, to the presentation. Since SUN doesn't have direct access to the Windows OS, and since it's written to run on several platforms, they had to write it to be dependant on itself. You can find more specific information if you subscribe to the developers list. A lot of the interest, I should add, focuses on Linux. The idea for these people is that an OOo that could run easily on lightweight systems with restricted memory (phones, handhelds, etc.) would be a boon. As the file format (OpenDocument) would remain the same, the argument goes, OOo users would not be left out and those wanting the full array of features and functionality on Windows would get it. Some interested parties include Nokia. An OpenDocument viewer could also do this, and for all I know, would be able to run lightly on any platform. There was talk of this last year but I don't know the current status. But why not work immediately on something that satisfies Linux needs, if there are resources for it? For What It's Worth: I've been thinking along these lines for a while and have put together a collection of rather ancient and still workable light-weight F/LOSS and Public Domain source to work on as a DLL/Shared Libs collection. My inspiration has been the CompleteWorks of 1993 and the MiniOffice suite of 1995, both of which are miniscule. I just haven't got around to doing anything with it yet except think about how I should structure it - I've been slack, I admit. On the bright side I've now got a couple of old laptops with 16 MB RAM apiece, so if I can get it working in them - one's going to stay MS Win98 Lite, the other's going to be crossgraded to a higher OS - Linux - it'll mean I have some idea of what to do ;) Wesley Parish I think it is worthwhile to be flexible :-) Cheers Louis PS, the dev list you refer to is probably dev@openoffice.org, a fine list. Other key developer lists are dev@api.openoffice.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a fuller listing, see http://projects.openoffice.org/accepted.html Rigel On 1/6/06, Louis Suarez-Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 1/6/06 1:50 AM Paul wrote: I don't believe that a 'lite' version is on the roadmap... No, at least not on Sun's, afaik. However, there is and has been and will continue to be real interest in the idea. The problem, as I understand it, is architectural. OOo is tightly integrated and it would require a re-architecture of the suite to produce a lite version. But, as I said, there is real interest in this. I get contacted by companies and individuals interested in it all the time. I also think that a re-architecture, if feasible (read: if people can or want to do this) that allows for componentization (so you can start Writer, say, without needing to start the entire application) is equally desirable. /paul Best, Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] DOWNLOAD PROBLEMS
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:28, Ray wrote: - Original Message - From: Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@openoffice.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [discuss] DOWNLOAD PROBLEMS On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:48:34 -0500 Doug Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: corrupted some how. Doug Carey snip -- Michael Those that can, do; those that can't, teach. An additional suggestion on top of Michael's is to make sure you have your virus scanner turned off for the download and install. Virus scanners detect changes to files which may be false viruses. If you are downloading OOo from the home webpage or one of the mirror sites, it is unlikely to be any viruses in the files. That is guaranteed with Norton's - false positives are a dime a dozen with the Norton anti-virus. Ray - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] A cursory examination of MS Office OpenXML
courtesy of Brian Jones, http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/default.aspx and http://www.ecma-international.org/activities/Office Open XML Formats/TC45_FD_XML_docform.zip I discovered that Microsoft considers ActiveX a sufficiently valuable part of the DOC and PPT etc, file formats that it has provided room in its draft MS Office OpenXML standard. ActiveX is best known for its role as Malware's Little Helper and is part of the reason why Microsoft Windows networks spend an inordinate amount of time doing malware-scans, etc. Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings ...
Thanks. Wesley Praish On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:09, Mathias Bauer wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: This is an error message I am getting on a MS Win98SE box in an MS Win98SE network I attempt to manage. OpenOffice.org 2.0 Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings or our personal settings are locked. Simultaneous access can lead to inconsistencies in you personal setings. Before continuing, you should make sure user '' closes OpenOffice.org on host 'WINTON'. Continue? I've looked at the Tools/Options and can't find the appropriate area in the personal settings section. What should I be doing? This is a result of an OOo crash you seem to have had the last time you sued OOo. Just ignore the message, it should disappear after you have successfully closed OOo. Best regards, Mathias -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Article: OpenDocument vs MS XML
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:40, mark wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: I suspect Microsoft dragged over some of their programming gurus from arcane C/C++-using projects to draft this standard, because it's got snip Arcane? Uh, you mean like OpenOffice.org's codebase? Or all of Linux? Or Firefox? I'm referring to their (in)famous Hungarian notation - if that's the correct word; it's been a while since I've read those magazines. ;) (Speaking about codebases, I'm going to try reading konqueror and koffice - while trying to sort out a heap of old Unix and DOS Public Domain source code to make something useful from it ... it's there, it's miniscule in terms of memory usage, and I being a bear of very small brain, think that small is beautiful ;) Wesley Parish mark yes, I *am* a programmer -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Article: OpenDocument vs MS XML
I've just been reading PlexNex and was wondering, since Microsoft has floated enough vapourware to make flight above 3 foot extremely dangerous - rock-filled clouds are such a hazard to aerial navigation ;) - perhaps Sun could help them along? I'm referring to a response Brian Jones made to a comment of mine on his blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2005/11/22/495876.aspx#comments Wesley, did you know that OpenOffice 2.0 can read and write the Office 2003 XML format (WordprocessingML)? There are tons of implementations out there that work with those formats. The new formats for '12' aren't done yet, so it's not really a suprise that there aren't many implementations out there yet. and someone else's response to him: Hey, Brian, the OpenOffice.org support of Office 2003 XML is covered here not because the license of Office XML Schema is liberal, but because Sun and MS have reached an anti-trust settlement over a year ago: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/02/sun_settles_with_ms/ On Patents and Intellectual Property: I've mentioned on that blog what I think are extremely reasonable steps that Microsoft should take to get taken seriously - not that I believe they've got the nerve for that: plenty of nerve to harrass customers, no nerve to do what makes sense, would you believe it! ;) - perhaps Sun should seriously twist their arm to let Sun do an MS Office 12 XML filter for OO.org? Then let people see and compare the horrendous mess MSO12 XML makes versus the clarity of OO.org's ODF? Microsoft are amongst the world's most prolific business producers of hot air - let them be hoist by their own petard, if they will! Wesley Parish On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:05, Sam Hiser wrote: I've amplified this terrific article by Daniel, David, Bruce Alex on www.PlexNex.com -Sam Daniel Carrera wrote: Hi all, Excellent article at Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20051125144611543 It's a technical comparison between OpenDocument and Microsoft's XML format. It's intended to be suitable for a semi-technical audience (ie. people who know a bit of HTML) and the focus is on interoperability. OpenDocument beats MS XML in interoperability hands down. And this article explains some of the technical reasons why. I highly recommend it. Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO.org 2.0 circular installation problem
Thanks Sigrid and all the others who have responded. I'll try this one and see how I go. Wesley Parish On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:25, Sigrid Kronenberger wrote: Hi Wesley, Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:35:37 +1300: I downloaded the tar.gz file, detarred and ungzipped it, and then fired up the rpm front end (I'm using Mandrake 10.0). I started with core1 and it told me it wouldn't install, that it needed core4 to be installed first. So I try installing core4 first, only to be told it needed core1 installed first. I hope, that I understand you right: You don't want to use the graphical interface, right? Ok, than you can use the command line: Go to the folder, where you have unpacked the rpm-files, change with su to root and typ the following command: rpm -Uvh *.rpm then everything will install automatically in the right way. When you've done this, go into the folder Desktop-Integration, and install with the same command the rpm-package for Mandrake/Mandriva. That's all. This way has worked for me several times. Where's the quality control? I'm sorry, but I have no answer to this question ;) Sigrid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Online only apps
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:36, Daniel Carrera wrote: Terri Sprague wrote: Quite a few of us, even though we have internet satellite connections, do not stay connected all the time. In my opinion, that is a disaster waiting to happen because of hackers, viruses, etc. Why not switch to Linux or Mac OS and avoid the problem altogether? The problem of hackers and viruses is specific to Microsoft's crap products. As a rule of thumb, the less MS software you use, the safer you are. If you are concerned about security, I recommend the following steps: Step 1: Ditch MS Internet Explorer and use Firefox or Opera. Step 2: Ditch MS Outlook and use Mozilla Thunderbird. Step 3: Ditch MS Office and use OpenOffice (done already?) Step 4: Ditch MS Windows and use Linux. This is a list of steps I'm working on getting the community centre I currently do voluntary work at, to do. We (the techies) have established by now that Internet Explorer is a virus trap (Internet Exploitee) and should not be used if at all possible; we haven't got the staff to dump MS Outlook yet; we've almost got OpenOffice.org accepted as the preferred Office Suite, everywhere except on the staff computers - facilitator and accountant. Getting people comfortable with Linux is somewhat harder - considering it takes for granted what MS WinXP treats as purely optional security extensions. ;) Wesley Parish Do as many of these steps as you can. Each step will go a long way towards making your computer more secure. If you do them all, viruses and hackers will be a problem of the past. My computer has never been hacked or had a virus. Not since I owned my first computer (a 486). Some people will suggest you use anti-virus software. Yes, this is necessary if you use Windows. But AV software is fundamentally a *reactive* measure. It tries to clean your computer after it's been infected. It is much wiser to take *preventive* measures that help keep your computer from being infected in the first place. If you do all the steps above, you will no longer need AV software. Another fundamental problem with AV is that there are some doubts over how much you can trust them. Given their inability to detect the Sony DRM software, although it infected as many computers as Slammer worm and other similar ones. Here is a must-read article by Bruce Schneier (world renowned security expert): http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,69601,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_pre v2 Cheers, Daniel. -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:44, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:50 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about this. The OO.org site advises using the OO.org 1.0.3.1 release for computers with only 64 MB of RAM. I've tried to run OO.org 1.1.5 on an MS Win95 box with as much memory, and I appreciate the advice. Wesley Parish -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
In one of GK Chesterton's books - I think it was his biography - he recounts a politician addressing a crowd that had got noisy and boisterous and jeered him: Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen! I have not yet finished casting my pearls! [before swine, of course. The crowd burst out laughing.] Could you cool off, please! Take it off-list, please, if you must argue. Thanks Wesley Parish On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:23, Randomthots wrote: Daniel Kasak wrote: We are talking about the possibility. The problem is that you don't like the answer that you're getting. I haven't liked your answer, not so much because of the substance, but because of your condescending attitude. No. Look at the post I responded to. The main part of that post: I also work for an organization that is unwilling to move away from Microsoft Office because they feel that they need the calendaring and meeting arrangement facilities of Outlook, on Windows. Many of them frequently work offline, so web-based solutions are not applicable. I'm pinning my hopes on Evolution for Windows, but the project seems to be moving very slowly (understandably, as it is a complex project with many libraries to port). I think that people that argue that there is no reason to develop a mail client as part of OpenOffice because there are other mail client applications available are misguided for two reasons: So where do you get: ... otherwise they won't switch, and not only that, they don't know anyone else who will switch either. from that? My take on it is that a lot of organizations could and would be persuaded to switch but they have certain organizational needs that can't be simply wished away. Whatever. I'm just pointing out why it's not going to happen. I wasn't aware that you were a Sun executive in charge of this whole project. *or* *else* will get you no-where fast. Point to any post on this forum like that. Selective blindness. Read over the thread again. I have. You're implying a tone to the posts in this thread that just doesn't exist. If I'm wrong, please provide quotes. Why can't people get over themselves and use an existing application. Without an email/pim component many will do just that. It's called MSO. Is that what you really want? Um. I think you're just re-using the arguement that you were claiming hasn't been used. Maybe forget about reading the thread. Read your own post. A. I get it now. You have a problem with people pointing out the reality of things as opposed to the way you only wished they were. You want people [to] get over themselves and use an existing application. I thought the idea was to convince/persuade/entice people to use a different application -- OOo vs. MSO. Well, the *reality* is that the lack of a suitable drop-in replacement for Outlook *is* a significant stumbling block. As much as I love the folks at the Mozilla foundation, T-bird+Sunbird isn't there yet. And I compared a completely up-to-date version of Evolution on the other side of this dual-boot box with a five-year old copy of Outlook. Closer, but there's a lot of functionality missing there as well. This isn't just theorizing; I am friends with a woman who runs a business designing and maintaining small e-commerce websites from her home. Most of her client interaction is via the Internet. She uses Outlook practically like an operating system. In one place she can organize everything about a client -- e-mails, documents, outstanding tasks, etc. She doesn't even have to open a browser to view their sites because she can do that in the same message pane she uses to look at their emails. The only other programs she uses regularly are Photoshop and a WYSIWYG web page editor. Don't like Evolution? Fine. Test it. Submit bug reports. Hassle the developers to hurry up with their Windows port. Do you really think that you're going to get a better product in less time by insisting that OOo include every function under the sun? Reductio ad absurdum. I have yet to hear a call for a Tetris component, music composition, or audio editing, for instance. Last I checked those *are functions and they *are* under the sun. Oh wow. The garbage some people post when they've had their buttons pushed :) And I note your response was the height of elocution. The fact is that nobody is insisting that OOo include every function under the sun. We're talking about one specific thing here -- an answer to Outlook. By characterizing that as every function under the sun, you're avoiding the real debate by arguing against something that hasn't ever been proposed, at least not in this thread, and not by me. Sourceforge.net lists 105,746 active projects. A good case could be made that open-source development is the most unfocused, undisciplined, and wasteful phenomenon in the history of software. Starting yet another project is practically a revered tradition
Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop
And of course, Bill Gates will subsidize the first 640 KB of RAM! ;) On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:16, Rei Shinozuka wrote: i saw this in the WSJ, this project has been going on for some time, but this was the first i had heard about it. wonder what they will use for word processing and spreadsheets? --- The $100 Laptop Moves Closer to Reality By STEVE STECKLOW Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL November 14, 2005; Page B1 A novel plan to develop a $100 laptop computer for distribution to millions of schoolchildren in developing countries has caught the interest of governments and the attention of computer-industry heavyweights. First announced in January by Nicholas Negroponte, the founding chairman of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Media Lab, the initiative appears to be gaining steam. Mr. Negroponte is scheduled to demonstrate a working prototype of the device with United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan on Wednesday at a U.N. technology conference in Tunisia. Mr. Negroponte and other backers say they have held discussions with at least two dozen countries about purchasing the laptops and that Brazil and Thailand have expressed the most interest so far. In addition, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney recently proposed spending $54 million to buy one of the laptops for every student in middle school and high school in his state. [Design Continuum's prototype of a $100 laptop with hand crank, for students in developing countries.] Design Continuum's prototype of a $100 laptop with hand crank, for students in developing countries. Although no contracts with governments have been signed, Mr. Negroponte says current plans call for producing five to ten million units beginning in late 2006 or early 2007, with tens of millions more a year later. Five companies -- Google Inc., Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Red Hat Inc., News Corp. and Brightstar Corp. -- have each provided $2 million to fund a nonprofit organization called One Laptop Per Child that was set up to oversee the project. Mr. Negroponte says five companies are bidding to make the laptop, although he declined to name them. Mr. Negroponte remains eager to place the laptop in the hands of 100 to 150 million students. He says he has learned in educational projects in Cambodia and other developing countries that computers spur children to learn and explore outside the boundaries of a classroom, and share their discoveries with their families. I do not think of them only in classrooms, but part of an integrated and seamless experience for kids and their families, he says. Still, the project would require governments in the developing world to come up with $15 billion to supply 150 million laptops, and it isn't yet clear how many countries can afford even a $100 machine. Technical hurdles also remain. The device that will be shown in Tunisia is still an early version; Mr. Negroponte says the screen alone will require another three months of development. The designers also have yet to bring the overall price down to $100, although they say they are getting close. Even if the first ones are $118.50, as long as subsequent machines are less and less expensive, that is what counts, Mr. Negroponte says. Major computer industry players appear to be taking the venture seriously, including companies like Microsoft Corp. that aren't yet participating. Microsoft could be confronting a laptop that could become a standard in the developing world -- one that, for now, would come without its dominant Windows software. Mr. Negroponte discussed the project last week with Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates and Craig Mundie, chief technical officer of advanced strategies and policy. We're in serious discussions to determine what the appropriate type of involvement is with us with their project, says Mr. Mundie. Steve Jobs, Apple Computer Inc.'s chief executive, offered to provide free copies of the company's operating system, OS X, for the machine, according to Seymour Papert, a professor emeritus at MIT who is one of the initiative's founders. We declined because it's not open source, says Dr. Papert, noting the designers want an operating system that can be tinkered with. An Apple spokesman declined to comment. Under present plans, the first production version of the laptop will be powered by an AMD microprocessor and use an open-source Linux-based operating system supplied by Red Hat. Open-source software is not patent protected and can be copied for free. To get the price down, an eight-inch diagonal screen -- smaller than standard notebook computers -- will run in two modes, with a high-resolution monochrome mode for word processing and a lower-resolution color mode for Internet surfing. It will be powered by both a power adapter, if electricity is available, or through a wind-up mechanism. The device will have wireless capabilities and can network with
Re: [discuss] a more complete office suite
How Microsoft's Enterprise Desktop Stifles Linux and How to Fix it http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47511/index.html Every time I read an article suggesting that Linux cannot budge Microsoft off the Enterprise Desktop, I have a private laugh. If you knew what I did, you would laugh too. The only problem I can see: It's not a laughing matter. [...] Microsoft embedded itself in the enterprise with something other than Internet Explorer and Office. The loss leader in their product line comes with Microsoft Office and requires a back office component to work. Until someone replaces Outlook, the opportunity to expunge Microsoft from the enterprise will remain illusive. Posted by tadelste on Nov 13, 2005 7:51 AM LXer.com; By Tom Adelstein http://sourceforge.net/projects/tradeclient/ On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:59, Robbie Darrell Graham wrote: Let me first said I love what is happen in Open office.org. It about time some one took on Microsoft the right way. But there needs to be some more work done. I think for some one who works in an office you need complete office suite with out have the following. Word Processing, Spreadsheets,Drawing,Database,Sideshows,Address book,Email,Scheduling all these program and data need to be easy to go between them. Robbie Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:46, Lars D. Noodén wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Jonathon Blake wrote: Just what functionality does MSO + Outlook offer, that can not be replicated by using OOo + FireFox + ThunderBird + SunBird + the appropriate templates? Having downloaded the 260+ MB source code OO.org 2.0 package at a cost to self in time, and having come across Tom Adelstein's email client, http://sourceforge.net/projects/tradeclient/ I'm going to try to find the time to put the two together, somehow. http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47511/index.html Microsoft embedded itself in the enterprise with something other than Internet Explorer and Office. The loss leader in their product line comes with Microsoft Office and requires a back office component to work. Until someone replaces Outlook, the opportunity to expunge Microsoft from the enterprise will remain illusive. 'Once you have control of the lines of communication in an organization, you own it. If you empower an executive vice president to come between the CEO and the rank and file worker and mid-management, the CEO becomes ineffective. The same with Information Technology. Whoever owns the communication lines controls the organization. So, with all the projections in the media, I wanted to know which strategy Microsoft would use to beat UNIX and Novell. I decided to take DEC's offer to put me in direct contact with some of their marketing executives. I met with two key members of sales management who convinced me that Exchange Server would make the difference in the NOS war. They asserted that by capturing the lines of communication in the enterprise, they could control the enterprise. [...] +1 Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
Quoting Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Randomthots wrote: mark wrote: * There's an aspect to all this that I believe a lot of people who hate html-mail, such as yourself, are missing. I believe that the attachment to e-mail paradigm actually serves to fortify the MS file format lock-in. Consider that html is actually a fairly poor file format for complex layout; it's essentially all based on the abuse of tables. So when someone wants to transmit a complex document via e-mail the only viable choice is to attach a file -- generally a binary file. Even an ODF file is binary as it sits on your hard drive (try opening a zip file in a text editor sometime). So if you're forced to attach a binary file to an e-mail, which type of file are you going to use? Probably the type that is most likely to be usable on the other end. Now this generally means either an MSO doc, xls, or ppt, or a pdf. We would like to make that ODF but it's going to be an uphill battle. Now consider that ODF is a much richer format than HTML. And being similar to HTML, there is no technical reason (that I see, anyway) that the format couldn't be adapted to eventually replace HTML. This would include usage in e-mail. The main adaptations would be that the XML would have to remain uncompressed and then the individual files which make up the document (content.xml, manifest.xml, etc.) would comprise a sort of multi-part MIME message. The result would be that the complex document that previously had to be transmitted as an attachment could now actually BE the e-mail, the BODY of the e-mail. When browsers and e-mail clients are developed that can render such a beast then the scales will tip toward ODF being the MOST CONVENIENT means of storing, handling, and transmitting documents. Binary formats will be considered a PITA to deal with, even by the technically illiterate. And since ODF is an ASCII format, it will be that much harder to distribute viruses that way. Yeah, it's a long chain of if's, and it won't happen overnight if at all, but it's something to consider. It's something I've started thinking about as well. ODF is a markup format as well as a file format; it should be relatively easy to write a format that mimics the traditional email format and is readable by any clued-up mail clients. One could even write a letter template that keyed directly into such an email format. Unfortunately we are dealing with a competitor that is likely to read this email list and notice that some people have already worked out how to get a rich text email client; and then patent the stolen stuff as if they were the ones who came up with it. Anyway, that's what I've been thinking. Take it with a pinch of salt, the bigger the better. Wesley Parish This is the best answer to the inclusion of email features within OOo. The usage of ODF as a standard base. How do we push this forward. FWIW, I have my mail program configure to view as text and not load images, to many 1x1 address confirmation images for my liking. It is a pain with some messages but it is handy. For formatted text, I prefer pdf attachments. Robin --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...
Quoting Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] I just thought of something. Wasn't Microsoft's first document against Linux with FUD called the Halloween paper or something like that. :) [snip] They should be here, but have very recently moved. http://www.opensource.org/halloween/ They're also gone from the Google cache. However, they are very interesting and quite timely for more reasons than the date. Someone needs to contact ESR (I can't do this today) and have him update his links. His copy of hte jargon file goes to the OSI error. I've already done that. He said it'll be when he's got time to grab the tarballs and put everything up on his site. We really should miror them - not as part of OpenOffice.org, of course, but somewhere here and there so that they won't go missing. Wesley Parish -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...
Quoting Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sam Hiser wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 09:00 -0700, Robin Laing wrote: Sam Hiser wrote: http://samhiser.blogspot.com/2005/10/commonwealth-senate-meets-on-holloween.html To me it sounds like some people are concerned about losing some election funding from Microsoft more than what is best for their constituents. From my cursory vantage, it looks like a) the Senators have a sincere desire to ensure the Process was solid; and b) do only have a partial grasp of their facts. B) exists because Microsoft has such overwhelming access and also because it is the Existing standard and people go with what they know. I think they will come around when the facts are presented in a broadly informative manner and when it becomes apparent that the open standards in question have broad Democratic support. Remember, this stuff is new to most people. We've been dealing with it for over 5 years...the technologists for decades. There will be a gestation period for the new audiences -- including the Reps. If it takes Mass a bit longer to establish confidence in the process, then all other states will simply be enabled to move all the more rapidly. I'm still an optimist and confident the cynical view is not yet germane. -Sam I just thought of something. Wasn't Microsoft's first document against Linux with FUD called the Halloween paper or something like that. :) One thing that keeps coming up is the cost. I really doubt that Microsoft is going to allow Massachusetts to update to Office 12 for free. I wonder if that will come out. I do agree that if Mass does do this right, it will be hard to stop any other state or organization from doing the same. I just wish I could ask the all important question to the Microsoft representative. What prevents Microsoft from implementing and fully supporting the Open Document Standard that you were involved with the development of? I've downloaded the ODF-to-MSOffice converter from Sourceforge and looked at the license. There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from using it and the MSOffice APIs - as reading material - to write a Save-As module for MSOffice that saves as ODF. Choice of License up to implementor - if one really wanted to rub Microsoft's nose in it, one could use one of the horribly restrictive MS Shared Source licenses, with vague noises of patents possibly somewhere, but nowhere in actual sight ... (One could even license the putative module under multiple licenses, with a caveat that the only license that would be relevant, that would come into effect if Microsoft wished to use the source code, would be the GPL, quoting while doing so, various Microsoft techies on the topic of Intellectual Property. ;) It might even be a good idea, and it would leave Microsoft with egg on its face. Wesley Parish -- Robin Laing --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06, Lars D. Noodén wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Daniel Carrera wrote: [snip] Microsoft is not claiming patents on any processes necessary to read or write .doc files. They just keep the format closed, change it on every release, and leave you to guess how it works. [snip] It was my understanding that the company has sw patents on XML serialization, which is something needed for using *any* XML-based format. It and other companies have some 3900+ sw patents (valid in the US) on other XML/SGML related activities: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2 Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=0f=Sl=50TERM1=xmlFIELD1=co1=ORTERM2=sgm lFIELD2=d=ptxt I'm not up on the contents of sw patents, but their could just as easily be obstacles to the old binary .doc formats as well. Regardless of sw patents or not the DMCA / EUCD could be invoked to prevent 'circumvention'. Dmitry Sklyarov was put in jail for circumventing ROT13. Pure genius. The next time some spook taps your phone, take the government to court for infiringing the copyright of your free speech. Send them to jail to figure out just what in has happened. ;) Document schemas and compression algorithms are considerable more complex. I suspect what he was getting at was the question, would third parties be allowed to read MS formats in the future? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:01, Caleb Marcus wrote: Burn it to a CD, post it to your website... if you are a programmer, you can even change it. I've been getting a part-time volunteer worker in our Community Centre's cybercaf/community computer training centre to use OO.org, and recently burnt her a CD of OO.org 2.0 for Windows. She's been complaining that it works fine, but the format changes when she brings it in from her home computer to the Community Centre. I've shown her a few tips, which helped quiet some of her earlier complaints about formatting, but she still had some when I burnt a copy of it for her. I hope OO.org 2.0 has already fixed those - if not, I'll get her to describe them as accurately as possible, and pass them on. That's one of the advantages of OO.org - I don't have to engage in license misappropriation to distribute the latest versions - and when I hear about the problems, I can pass them on and know someone will take it seriously enough to do something about it. Wesley Parish There is nothing illegal about opening Word files in OpenOffice.org. Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: Saturday, October 29, 2005 Jonathon Blake wrote: Timothy wrote: whether or not this is completely legal. It is legal to use. You can also sell, or give away as many copies as you want to. In fact, I would say you are *encouraged* to give away copies. Spread the word. It's extremely important that as many people as possible know of its existence. -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:51, Henrik Sundberg wrote: 2005/10/29, Timothy Stockdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Greetings, Thanks for your product. I was just wondering whether or not this is completely legal. Even using it to open certain Microsoft files? (Word, Powerpoint, Excel) I'm also uncertain. Is the reversed engineering ,used to construct the import export filters, completely legal? The problem here is that the term reverse engineering describes a way of working out a solution to a given problem - in this case the proprietary file formats of a proprietary office suite. But the ways and methods of reverse engineering happen to be the same as used by scientists engaging in scientific enquiry, just applied to a human artifact instead. To outlaw reverse engineering completely is to revert to a pre-Olduvan industry, and I doubt most people would like that. They were saying we should be closed as the Fir, an expression of plant - and they why I'm glad they up on them firs! Some wisdom on the matter, courtesy of emacs meta x dissociated-press! ;) Wesley Parish /Henrik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.
Actually it would be a more convincing comparison if we could persuade Microsoft to part with download numbers for Microsoft Office ;) Just to drive it in that _our_ distribution is Internet-and-friend-based, while theirs is anything but ... ! Wesley Parish On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:59, Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 19:04 -0400, Chad Smith wrote: Show me some evidence - and it should be more than just download numbers since I have personally downloaded OOo about 75 times. And I have downloaded it perhaps 10 times but burnt and given out hundreds of discs. There is always going to be uncertainty in statistics but one thing is for sure, year on year there are more OOo users. I know you have a problem with rates of change, but really they are much better predictors of the future than raw numbers. Rates of change involve a time dimension and the future is time related. Take up follows predictable patterns. These are well docmented. Slow but accelerating start followed by a sustained more linear rate follwed by saturation and then decay. MSO has followed this pattern in terms of market share, particularly if you look at rate of take of new product rather than installed base. The rate of take up of new product is slowing because people are not upgrading from previous versions. The interesting thing to know would be to what extent OOo users are people moving from older versions of MSO and other products or people who would have bought new licenses for Office2003. If its the former, MS sales figures will not be affected much buy OOo in the short term but of course the confidence in OOo will grow and grow storing up a very sudden and nasty surprise for MS some time in the future when suddenly people realise what everyone else is doing. If OOo is taking new users from Office2003 MS will see lower than predicted sales. My guess and its only a guess is that its probably a combination but very difficult to be sure where the balance lies. Still life would be boring if everything was predictable with absolute certainty. -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] FREE?
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:51, Alexandro wrote: Yes we are, I am very interesting in your experience since my roomate (chineese) has had some issues with the kanji converstions from OOo to MSO. Don't you mean Japanese? Kanji is Japanese; the Chinese writing system's what kanji's based on, but it's not the same writing system. I also wonder about the engine to render the kanji since some seems to be lower than the rest. This are issues we don't get in this list at least. :) On 8/23/05, Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dion, I work in a Chinese school as computer administrator and I want to help our management in how to reduce the expenses in buying Microsoft Office. You came to the right place. :-) I'm just curios about the license of Open Office before I go to anywhere else. I like to ask is... is the Open Office 100% FREE? Yes. 100%. You can install it on as many computers as you like 100% free. You can use it at home, school, or in a business 100% free. Please tell me more about this as freeware. First, please don't call it freeware. OpenOffice is open source which is much better than freeware: * Most freeware is only free for non-commercial use. OpenOffice.org is free for any use. * Most freeware has a limited trial period and they you pay. Open source does not. It never expires. But the biggest difference is in re-distribution: * You can put open source on a CD and give it to as many people as you like. You can even sell it and make money. * If you are a programmer, you can take the source code and modify it to make a new product. For example, Sun Microsystems makes StarOffice and IBM makes Workplace. Both products are 99% OpenOffice.org To learn more about what open source is, see here: http://opensource.org I would encourage you to try OpenOffice.org. It's a good product. A little different from MS Office, but not difficult to learn. It's well worth the investment in learning it. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org /\/_/ http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ \/_/ The pedant keep things in order, the genius / rules the chaos -- Sigrid Kronenberger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] ECCO Pro to be Open Sourced
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:22, Carl Spitzer wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 18:34, Gary Edwards wrote: Hi y'all, Recently Netmanage contacted members of the ECCO Pro user group at yahoo, signaling their willingness to open source the application. A wiki site to discuss the proposal has been set up at: http://www.compusol.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl I submitted a suggestion that the source code of ECCO be contributed to OpenOffice.org for eventual inclusion in future cross platform versions I have checked several times. Where is this source code? I popped on over to check it out, tried downloading the zipped file-to-be-open-sourced, but was stopped by You need to supply a username and password to access this site I tried the time-honoured anonymous and email address, but it wasn't having any of that. might I respectfully suggest that if Netmanage wants to get the Open Source version of ECCO Pro out to the widest segment of the population, it let anybody visiting the site, to download ECCO Pro with as little fuss as possible? The more fuss, the less interest; or so I've experienced. Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: EU says no to software patents
Give them a copy of the mp3 of Peter Cook presenting Misty Mr Wisty and the Invention of the Plib. Once they've stopped laughing, ask if you can patent their laugh. By that time, if they haven't got the hint, ... Wesley Parish Peter_Cook_+_Peter_Cook_Presents_The_Misty_Mr_Wisty_+_10_The_Plib_+_wwwDOTstabbersDOTorg.mp3 On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:32, Graham Lauder wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: Manolis Christodoulou wrote: It's a wonderful day for all of us. But in this war, when I read/hear the word victory, I remember master Yoda's words: Victory you said? The dark side clouds everything... Indeed... we've won a major victory, but the war is not over. Although this is a time of celebration, it is not yet time to take down the no software patents banners on your sites: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050706113609571 But still, this is a time to celebrate. I will. :-) Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] While it is a small victory, in fact the politicos simply got shot of it so they didn't have to deal with the amendments that would have made it so they couldn't grant a patent for software. All that happens now is that the status quo holds and the buck is returned to the member nations who can still patent software. However on the upside the fact that they could see themselves being seriously unpopular if they had passed the legislation means that the voice of FLOSS is being heard and people are taking notice Yo -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?
And BIND is a niche product? BSD's TCP/IP? There was a big hiss and roar about something called the OSI stack at one stage. It was backed by all the major companies. TCP/IP got started first. The big companies never got OSI off to any sort of start. So much for a program's quality's proportional to it's price! A program quality's also proportional to its existence, and Firefox has got the lead in innovation and security over MS IE. Wesley Parish On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 04:43, Chuck wrote: My point is that OSS will never be more than a small niche compared to commercial software. Most people believe that a program's quality is proportional to it's price. In their minds, free = piece of crap, expensive equals great software with great support. I'm not saying this is true, but it's what most people think. People for some strange reason *want* to pay for software when equal or superior software is available for free. OSS has been available for years to fill many needs and yet it never garners more than 1-2% of the market. Firefox, Thunderbird, OOo, Linux, and others are perfect examples. They are all superior to their commercial counterparts but are no where near replacing them in the market. Alex wrote: OSS has already replaced a number of commercial elements. Firefox for browsing, Thunderbird for email, OpenOffice for (guess what here) in my business, Linux for a file server ( soon the desktop). I don't get your commment. :-) Cheers, Alex Janssen Chuck wrote: Anthony Long wrote: I'm curious to know what people think about this article? http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4834t=technology Cheers, Anthony There are four things in life that are guaranteed... 1) You will be born 2) You will die 3) You will pay taxes 4) OSS will _NEVER_ replace commercial software - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?
I would say that in a few years time Microsoft will be heavily indebted for its bare survival, on projects like OpenOffice.org, Mono, wine and ReactOS - because they're F/LOSS projects that do make use of the Win32API and DotNET - Microsoft will wind up being a retailer of a few high-cost development tools and a good part of their cash flow will be dependent on the people they have intimidated into paying for irrelevant and totally useless software patent licenses. Just my 0.02c - probaby heavily inflated. Wesley Parish On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:59, Anthony Long wrote: I'm curious to know what people think about this article? http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4834t=technology Cheers, Anthony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: XML patent hahaha :)
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:50, Jonathan Kaye wrote: En/La Wesley Parish ha escrit, a 03/06/05 11:22: | Oh god, that is hilarious! Copying and barefacedly lying about it are the | most significant innovations across any industry? I can see where South | Park got a lot of its inspiration from! There's some prior art on the subject of M$ imitating humour that even predates South Park. Remember Peter Cook in the patent office trying to register the plig? It surely goes back to the 60's. Have a listen and a laugh. http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/html/discography.htm I've bookmarked the site. Thanks! Cheers, Jonathan Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] XML patent hahaha :)
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From XML.org daily newslink: Possible Prior Art for Microsoft XML Patent Found Ingrid Marson, ZDNet News UK The row over Microsoft's XML patent has taken another twist with the discovery of an open source application on Sourceforge for converting C++ programming objects into XML files that pre-dates the patent. An open source application could potentially invalidate a patent that Microsoft was granted for XML serialisation last week. A ZDNet UK reader pointed out on Thursday that SXP, a library for converting C++ programming objects into XML files, was made available on Sourceforge in February 2000. Microsoft filed its patent for the conversion of programming objects into XML files in June 2001, over a year later. Microsoft was granted the patent for XML serialisation by the US patent office. A number of software developers and ZDNet UK readers have expressed anger that Microsoft was been granted this patent, claiming that it is obvious and in general use. But Microsoft defended itself, claiming that its innovations are among the most significant across any industry. Oh god, that is hilarious! Copying and barefacedly lying about it are the most significant innovations across any industry? I can see where South Park got a lot of its inspiration from! http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/ 0,39020384,39201784,00.htm See also the XML patent: http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2004-01-27-a.html#MS6898604 JC Helary - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent
It covers practically everything you do with data on a computer, right from the earliest stored procedure Eniac/whathaveyou right up to the most minimal CE or embedded piece of code that runs your morning wake up radio or beeps at you from your wristwatch. Do a google on (fraudulent misrepresentation crime act penalties) It's time to put this sort of sh*t back where it belongs. Wesley Parish On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:04, Alex wrote: Now having re-read the proper patent. I still don't see how they could be awarded a patent on what appears to be nothing more that converting a data structure defined in one file to a serial stream in another file. Sounds like storing a record in a database to me. :-\ I think Borland was doing this back in the early 90s in BP7, storing object instances on a data stream. I'll have to check on that. But it seems so overly simple. Like someone getting a patent on how you dump cerial into a bowl in the morning changing its format and then back into the box when you change your mind. You've done it thousands of times and now someone comes along and gets a patent on it. Wouldn't this procedure be considered in the public domain? Alex Janssen Sander Vesik wrote: So please englighten us, what about the patent is all that old? you seemto be seeing just soe fragments and not teh whole - recognising well-known tree species but not that you have wondered up to a forest you havne't seen before ;-) Its not that teh patent is something incredibly novel or innovative or that parts of it (or possibly all) probably won't be upheld in court or that there definitely won't be prior art - its just that it is not (as far as software patents go in this regard) somehow entirely bogus or preposterous or would cover all (or even a fraction of) computer-computer communication as people have been claiming. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] grammar checkers revisited
I've just found this site: http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/index.html http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/eagar.html It looks as if it may need localization - at the moment it's only got Gaelic (Irish) supported. Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent
My bad - I misspelled his surname - it's Pearse. http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html http://chrisbrady.itgo.com/pearse/pearse.htm http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/Pearse/Pearse.html http://www.destination.co.nz/temuka/pearse.htm http://www.auckland-airport.co.nz/NewsHistory/aviators.php?pearse http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/geoff.rodliffe/ http://www.answers.com/topic/richard-pearse http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Childrens/FamousNewZealanders/Richard.asp http://www.enzed.com/hist.html These should do. But the important thing is that he never made got anywhere in his endeavours - partly because he never made any contact with the outside world until very late on, partly because New Zealand never had time for anyone who was slightly eccentric. It's a sad story - and they're now trying to capitalise on his inventiveness now, when they had no time for him while he was alive. Wesley Parish On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:47, M. Fioretti wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2005 21:46:03 PM +1200, Wesley Parish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: One NZ inventor - Richard Pierce - who believed in this working-in-secret has the distinction of never having his inventions in the fields of aviation or anything else, actually get taken up anywhere. So as an inventor he's incredible, as a practical success - he wasted his life. Any URL for this guy? Couldn't find any info from Google :-( Ciao, Marco -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent
On Tue, 31 May 2005 15:38, M. Fioretti wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2005 20:23:13 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Chris BONDE wrote: Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for disclosing their idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent). That is neither the intention, nor the effect of patents. As far as I know, it indeed *is*. I (government): 1) make sure that everybody can learn all the details of new technologies by *forcing* inventors to disclose what they did. 2) keep inventors motivated to keep inventing while giving away by granting them a temporary monopoly. The intention of patents was to encourage people to work on developing ideas with the promise that, in return, they would be granted a temporary monopoly. No. Without patents people would have invented and sold anyway, just keeping the secret on how they did stuff. Meaning that their monopoly, without the patent papers which are mandated just to share knowledge as *early* as possible, could have lasted even longer than a patent duration. Patents were a means of breaking the monopoly of the Guilds, and by forcing their hidden knowledge out into the open, it gave various unspeakable forms of politician, eg, the Kings of England, a way of extracting further moneys. It also sped up the diffusion of knowledge, but that was merely a secondary effect. Breaking the Guilds and ensuring they couldn't get their act together was a more major part of it - now you have the patent system in the sworn service of the Guilds again. Marco Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Subject: Re: [discuss] pedanting
Have you by any chance ever come across a slim little volume titled Let Stalk Strine by Afferbeck Lauder? It has as part of its introduction, the discovery Monica Dickens made, that Emma Chisit isn't a woman's name, it's actually a request in Strine for the price of a book. An example of his high quality of etymology: Flesh in the Pen: Momentary brilliance. As in: 'Ar, stoo gooder last, Sairndra, it's jessa flesh in the pen.' The derivation of this curious phrase is obscure. General etymological opinion is that it has come down from the time when the early Strine settlers fashioned pens from goose quills -- often without first removing the goose. The phrase is believed originally to have been 'gooseflesh in the pen', meaning shaky or illegible writing (caused by the struggles of the goose). And then there's Fraffly Well Spoken, also by Afferbeck Lauder. 'Assay,' ass said, 'her fraffly caned A few to bisso ness. Orstellion, preps?' ass said. 'Ay faned You heffnor Strellion fess. But his replay war snoff reclair; He said, 'My ficer smine. Nair, nickor fang gedadda vere; You mice tart torgon Strine.' Fraffly caned a fume shore. Any takers for a Strine or Fraffly localization? Wesley Parish On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:32, Eric Hines wrote: The Brits speak Brit, and the Yanks speak English. It's a wonder we can communicate at all I agree, though--how many nations speak English? That's how many regionalizations of English we need. I suspect Chinese and some others also would benefit from regionalized dictionaries. Eric Hines At 05/17/05 02:05, you wrote: Ah!! An AMERICAN dictionary. That would explain the misuse of the English language. Not in Collins ENGLISH dictionary is it a verb. Transportation indeed! [Calm down dears... :-) ] But all the more reason to keep the regionalisations for English, which are good. Adrian Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:44:12 -0400 From: John W. Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@openoffice.org Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: Re: [discuss] pedanting adrian Greeman wrote: The web site for beta 2 says these new builds obsolete OObeta 2 Does no one know any grammar? Obsolete is NOT verb but an adjective. You can no more obsolete something than you can wooden something. It can become obsolete as you displace it with something else or replace it with a new version etc. Writer is a word processing application - so let's use words well. If you had actually taken the time to look in a dictionary, I wouldn't have had to. ob-so-lete adj. 1. No longer in use: an obsolete word. 2. Outmoded in design, style, or construction: an obsolete locomotive. 3. Biology. Vestigial or imperfectly developed, especially in comparison with other individuals or related species; not clearly marked or seen; indistinct. Used of an organ or other part of an animal or plant. tr.v. ob-so-let-ed, ob-so-let-ing, ob-so-letes To cause to become obsolete. --The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. -- John W. Kennedy Compact is becoming contract, Man only earns and pays. -- Charles Williams. Bors to Elayne: On the King's Coins Dawn is nature's way of telling you to go to bed. And to just stay there until the evil yellow disk is gone again. --Anonymous - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Solutions to problems
I had an interesting experience the other day, the the community centre cycafe I work as a volunteer for. An elderly gent turned up, with some photos he wanted switched from horizontal to vertical for online selling of the things they represented. I found the local installation of OpenOffice.org and fired up Draw. I worked out how to spin the photo around, so it was vertical, and he wanted to take the program home with him! (Unfortunately, the installation package had gone awol, and I wasn't able to burn him a copy then and there - pity.) It's heartening! Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Solutions to problems
Quoting Christian Einfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 21 April 2005 13:50, Rod Engelsman wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: I had an interesting experience the other day, the the community centre cycafe I work as a volunteer for. An elderly gent turned up, with some photos he wanted switched from horizontal to vertical for online selling of the things they represented. I found the local installation of OpenOffice.org and fired up Draw. I worked out how to spin the photo around, so it was vertical, and he wanted to take the program home with him! (Unfortunately, the installation package had gone awol, and I wasn't able to burn him a copy then and there - pity.) It's heartening! Wesley Parish I'm glad the guy wants to use OOo, but FWIW you can do that in about one click with the Picture and Fax Viewer that comes with WinXP. FWIW, our community cybercafe's using Win98, not XP. Minor detail. Is that function an extra or included with XP? Where is it located in the Start menu? I've never come across it in XP - I suspect it's in the Accessories submenu. Wesley Parish -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: data base in OOo2?
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:48, bealach wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: bealach wrote: I was only reporting what PC World said, wasn't I? Yes. The point I was trying to make is that we can't fix it if we don't know what the problem is. PCWorld was totally unspecific about Ooo db, neither did they say why Access was not very good (but M$ software isn't good anyway). I have not tried OOo2 so I wouldn't know. Judging from comments I have heard from various PC techies, MS Access's problem is that it is only good for small databases, and falls over once you try anything above a certain size. Since OO.org connects to _serious_ databases of all shapes and sizes, I don't see that as being a problem with OO.org. Regards, bealach Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Finally some Voice Recognition software for OpenSource / Maybe even OOo :-)
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 04:06, OldSarge wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:55, Justin Clift wrote: Sweet Coffee wrote: Hi! Also found the following. Audio-Visual Speech Recognition (AVSR) Open Source Software Release http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/sw04034.htm OSSRI: The Open-Source Speech Recognition Initiative http://www.ossri.org/ Could be interesting when combined with Asterix (the Open Source PBX software): http://www.asterisk.org i'm trying to put all three together, as a thought-experiment. Together with a workable OCR and PenPoint style thingee. ;) That would be nice, positively nice. Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift SC Wesley Parish To Wesley Parish and Justin Clift: Is there any chance that Voice Recognition will be set up in the near future, for Linux? It'll be a user-mode program, on the same level as the X Window System. That's all I'm willing to venture at the moment. (You understand, thought experiments _don't_ involve outlays of money and computer time - only time. This isn't the first time I've thought about Voice Recognition. For an amateur linguist, it's a fascinating topic. :-) Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Finally some Voice Recognition software for OpenSource / Maybe even OOo :-)
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:55, Justin Clift wrote: Sweet Coffee wrote: Hi! Also found the following. Audio-Visual Speech Recognition (AVSR) Open Source Software Release http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/sw04034.htm OSSRI: The Open-Source Speech Recognition Initiative http://www.ossri.org/ Could be interesting when combined with Asterix (the Open Source PBX software): http://www.asterisk.org i'm trying to put all three together, as a thought-experiment. Together with a workable OCR and PenPoint style thingee. ;) That would be nice, positively nice. Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift SC Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
