date:20040421

What? Using something given for free without insisting it be tailored 
to your individual desires? Careful, Kate. The Programmers Guild will 
take away your membership card if word leaks out. 

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Clif

On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:36, Kate Stanton wrote:

Thanks.

Sounds to me as though it should be the choice of whoever is 
shouldering the
responsibility of looking after it.  If they are prepared to do the 
work,
then I applaud them and am privileged to be able to use it, in 
whatever way
they choose.

Cheers,  Kate
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OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))

2004-04-21 Thread Clifton Oliver

Does anyone know of a reasonably priced terminal emulator for the Mac 
that does *complete* VT100 or Wyse 50 emulation?

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On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:33, Stuart Boydell wrote:

Steve,

I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because 
that's
the smallest font I can read on the 17" monitor here.
I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app.
The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for
programs.
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Re: [OT] MSDN

Comments embedded in the message below.

On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:10, Tony Gravagno wrote:

Get it here: http://store.viosoftware.biz/msunsu701yes.html
Thanks, Tony. We appreciate you letting us in on the secret . And 
thanks to JD for the other source.


Tell them to implement a commission program and then send me a credit 
on my
next purchase!  :)
I think we can talk the U2UG board into giving you a year's 
complimentary subscription to the list.

(That's a *joke*, people. Stop panicking!)


"production use", my development system IS my production system which I
destroy on a regular basis as I install and test code.
As do I, but frequently not on purpose. :-)

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Wintegrate 5.1 Query Builder

2004-04-21 Thread Steven Frost

Hi -- any way to disable users from using the Before and After fields at the bottom of 
the form.
This can be used to enter DELETE,MODIFY, even CLEAR-FILE statements, and opens the 
database
wide open to any sort of abuse , intentional or otherwise.
Also , any other field in the form can be used to enter similar statements.
Any comments? 
Thanks.



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RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

2004-04-21 Thread Stuart Boydell

Steve,

I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's
the smallest font I can read on the 17" monitor here.
I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app.
The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for
programs.
And yes, if our users were to use the same resolution (which they don't
because they're stuck with SBClient) they could have entry screens & reports
that filled the whole screen.

Stuart

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> Karl,
>
> Sounds interesting.  So you have a screen that is 80 columns by
> 60 rows.  Does that mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to
> get the bottom line of the screen?  And can you do 132 by 60??
>
> Steve
>
> From: Karl L Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Okay, I'll bite.
>
> I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000,
> which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux
> streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal
> touch)
>
> Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional
> 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green
> screen' parts to our APP.
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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Kate Stanton

Thanks.

Sounds to me as though it should be the choice of whoever is shouldering the
responsibility of looking after it.  If they are prepared to do the work,
then I applaud them and am privileged to be able to use it, in whatever way
they choose.

Cheers,  Kate

- Original Message - 
From: "Results" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!

Kate,
A forum is a message board. If you subscribe to a listserver list
(like this one) you start reading and responding from that point forward
and everything is ::pushed:: to you mail box. With a forum, you can
easily look at posts which pre-date your joining (a big plus) and you
have to go to the forum board(s) to find new posts and new responses
instead of simply receiving the new stuff as it happens (a big minus).

- Charles "Dictionary" Barouch

Kate Stanton wrote:

>My ignorance is showing.  What is the difference between a forum and a list
>(like this)?
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RE: [OT] MSDN

Clif Oliver wrote:
>Stop teasing us, Tony.  What's the source where we can get MSDN
>subscriptions for $1,300?

OK OK ... arm is twisting in agony, "people love me when they can save a
buck but rarely when they can spend a buck, what up wit dat?"...

Get it here: http://store.viosoftware.biz/msunsu701yes.html
The current price is $1495.  It went up from 1300 to 1400 right after I got
it last year and another 100 this this year, still not a bad deal
considering the full retail value.  (List 2800, sale prices +-2400)

Almost all reviews of VioSoftware are positive.  (4.5 out of 5 avg rating in
forums) The only bad reviews I've found are from people who throw away their
original packaging or destroy their key codes (duh) and then they're upset
that they can't get new ones.

Tell them to implement a commission program and then send me a credit on my
next purchase!  :)

- Note that I also got a 300 cash rebate for getting DVDs instead of CDs, I
believe this is still available until June 2004.
- Plus I got other benefits that further drive the net price for me down to
about $700.
- With this sub we are authorized to install a single copy of MS Office for
production use (in addition to as many development/test installs as we
need).  Since I didn't have to go out and buy that copy I saved yet another
$350+ in my software budget.  That brings my real expenditure for this
package down to about $350?
- Finally, while we aren't supposed to use the development licenses for
"production use", my development system IS my production system which I
destroy on a regular basis as I install and test code.  That means I don't
need to purchase an additional OS license for this box, which brings my
final net cost down to about nil.

I dunno folks, do the math, this isn't as bad as people think.  Benefits
vary between USA and other countries.  Research your options.

And did I mention MS support is excellent?  When was the last time anyone
here really put in a call to Microsoft rather than posting to a forum?  I
honestly expected bad service ("we've never seen that one, maybe
re-installing everything will fix it") and the need to get confrontational
(must be the italian in me) - their pleasant attitude and efficiency are
disarming.

Anyway, you can find this software on other sites, for example:
http://www.google.com/search?q=msdn+universal+best+price
However, caveat emptor, there are a lot of "evil doers" out there who will
sell improper licenses (Academic/Student, OEM, OLP, etc).  "Too good to be
true" is a mantra to keep in mind.  VioSoftware is reputable and the
licenses are good.

Tony "not an MS Borg" Gravagno
(nod to Chuck for using his sig thingie)

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Re: [OT] MSDN

2004-04-21 Thread JD


MSDN Universal 7.0 1 year subscr. with $300 dvd discount is $1,125 at
buycheapsoftware.com I did buy software from them before and it was
legit, but please do not take this post as a recommendation or something.
Simply pricing info.

JD

>Stop teasing us, Tony.  What's the source where we can get MSDN
subscriptions for $1,300?

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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis

This is a good conversation and one we ought to be able to make progress
with over time.  

When the U2UG board agreed to take on the u2-users list from Clif, we
figured that we would serve the community best if we don't vary too many
factors at one time.  We would prefer that the move from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the end of this month be painless enough
that we don't lose community members.

Once u2-users is happily living in its new home and the www.u2ug.org site is
a place you want to go to regularly, we can look at various requirements and
see if there is a solution that meets all or at least more requirements than
the current one.

I, for one, am one of the "old" fuddy-duddies who does fine with e-mail
lists, is OK with usenet when necessary, and can't seem to get a pattern
that works for me with forums.  I don't know if it is a personality type
that prefers one over the other or if there are some work habit changes that
just aren't obvious enough to me, but I haven't found a way to change from
e-mail lists to forums as yet.  

As others have mentioned, if there were a way for each user to use whatever
interface were desired for seeing threads, sending and receiving postings,
etc so that each could use their preferred approach, that would be ideal --
something to strive for ...

--dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
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www.tincat-group.com

Take and give some delight today.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: We need a web based Forum!

I only belong to two groups: this one and sbsolutions on yahoo groups. To me
they "behave" the same - I have an email folder for each and messages are
routed there. I interact with them in the same way - simply sending e-mail
messages. 

However, the yahoo group also has a web-site with all of the messages in it
that I've occasionally used to search (although their search is terrible). I
don't think external search engines capture them as you need to login in
order to see the posts.

The only "problem" is that the messages appear in posted order and not
sorted by conversation. Even better would be the option to have either
order. 

Well, that's my vote. Web based forums with the options to receive/post
through e-mail. Limited to members only. With a "good" search utility.

Now surely as a bunch on computer geeks we could make this happen...

-- 
Colin Alfke
Calgary, Alberta Canada

"Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it"

Stu Pickles


>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SNIP]
>
>I disagree that its very common to have what I posted.
>But I'm not sure you understood me.
>Let's say I'm subscribed to both the forum and its 
>corresponding email list.
>If I send a message to the email list only, will it appear on 
>the forum site?  Or alternatively will it appear in the 
>archives of the forum site?
>That's the question.
>Will
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[AD] Job in Salinas, CA

2004-04-21 Thread Georgia L. Pritchett

Apologies to those of you in u2-community who are seeing this again.

The City of Salinas, in Salinas, CA (Central Coast of California) is
hiring a Senior Programmer Analyst.  The following link contains information
on how to apply:

http://www.ci.salinas.ca.us/Admin/HRjobs/SrProg.html

The posting closes May 17, 2004.  Besides doing development in Universe
on Unix, we also support several third party packages that use Microsoft
SQL Server.  In addition, we support the city's GIS system using ESRI's ArcGIS
and ArcIMS products.

Georgia Pritchett
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Re: [OT] MSDN

Stop teasing us, Tony.  What's the source where we can get MSDN 
subscriptions for $1,300?

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Clif

On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:36, Tony Gravagno wrote:

Replied to e-mail request before I saw this.  Yes, everything comes 
direct
from Microsoft, DVDs, newsletters, support, etc.  MS never questioned 
the
source and I get the same services as anyone who buys direct.  I have 
never
received anything from the original vendor.

Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300?  My renewal is
now up for $2300 and with the DVD rebate, it is still  $2000.
Do the shipments still come directly from Microsoft?  Thanks.
Regards,

Jim


For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal
subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that
down to a net of less than $1000.
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Re: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

2004-04-21 Thread Results

Ken,
   At the risk of stating the obvious, have you checked that the 
correct version of the SUBR is cataloged?

Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but
I've got a client with a pressing problem.
They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their
current DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system
running 6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access
virtual fields that call SUBRoutines.
Ken

- 
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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread alfkec

I only belong to two groups: this one and sbsolutions on yahoo groups. To me
they "behave" the same - I have an email folder for each and messages are
routed there. I interact with them in the same way - simply sending e-mail
messages. 

However, the yahoo group also has a web-site with all of the messages in it
that I've occasionally used to search (although their search is terrible). I
don't think external search engines capture them as you need to login in
order to see the posts.

The only "problem" is that the messages appear in posted order and not
sorted by conversation. Even better would be the option to have either
order. 

Well, that's my vote. Web based forums with the options to receive/post
through e-mail. Limited to members only. With a "good" search utility.

Now surely as a bunch on computer geeks we could make this happen...

-- 
Colin Alfke
Calgary, Alberta Canada

"Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it"

Stu Pickles


>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SNIP]
>
>I disagree that its very common to have what I posted.
>But I'm not sure you understood me.
>Let's say I'm subscribed to both the forum and its 
>corresponding email list.
>If I send a message to the email list only, will it appear on 
>the forum site?  Or alternatively will it appear in the 
>archives of the forum site?
>That's the question.
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RE: [OT] MSDN

Replied to e-mail request before I saw this.  Yes, everything comes direct
from Microsoft, DVDs, newsletters, support, etc.  MS never questioned the
source and I get the same services as anyone who buys direct.  I have never
received anything from the original vendor.

>Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300?  My renewal is 
>now up for $2300 and with the DVD rebate, it is still  $2000.  
>Do the shipments still come directly from Microsoft?  Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jim
>
>
>>> For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal 
>>>subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that 
>>>down to a net of less than $1000.

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Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

2004-04-21 Thread wagnersm

Karl,

Sounds interesting.  So you have a screen that is 80 columns by 60 rows.  Does that 
mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to get the bottom line of the screen?  And can 
you do 132 by 60??

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Karl L Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 21, 2004 12:51 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

Okay, I'll bite.

I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000,
which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux
streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal
touch)

Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional
'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green
screen' parts to our APP.

Karl

On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:35, Ross Ferris wrote:
> Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ?
> 
> A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does 
> it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that 
> raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a 
> standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!?
> 
> Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply 
> haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of 
> windows.
> 
> SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one 
> thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there 
> that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the 
> "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?.
> 
> I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over 
> the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 
> "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11)
> 
> I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a 
> printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a 
> distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely 
>  that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500.
> 
> Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely 
> the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be 
> counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, 
> please identify yourself 
> 
> Ross Ferris
> Stamina Software
> Visage ? an Evolution in Software Development
> 
> 
> 
> >>
> >>1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client
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Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread FFT2001

In a message dated 4/21/2004 10:51:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And 
> it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has 
> already a "good environment" for .NET. More easy for us 
> than installing 
> java vm.

Hold on now.  The .NET jvm is installed with every windows update ?
So every windows user already has ... ?
Whenever I go to www.windowsupdate.com it keeps asking me if I want to install .NET 
and saying "...you should only need this if you have an application that needs it..."

And realizing that it takes up like 20 hundred thousand billion bytes, I choose to not 
install it.  So doesn't this mean I *don't* have a .NET jvm installed?  Or is .NET and 
.NET jvm different ?
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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread FFT2001

In a message dated 4/21/2004 9:43:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> I think there are better solutions out there. For example searching the web
> (having web access allows staff to find solutions for your company!) I was
> able to find this http://phorum.org/ - "Phorum is a web based message board
> written in PHP. Phorum is designed with high-availability and visitor ease
> of use in mind. Features such as mailing list integration, easy
> customization and simple installation make Phorum a powerful add-in to any
> website."
> It is also very common for newgroups to have mail 
> integration e.g.
> http://gaffa.org/faq/faq_1_2.html

I disagree that its very common to have what I posted.
But I'm not sure you understood me.
Let's say I'm subscribed to both the forum and its corresponding email list.
If I send a message to the email list only, will it appear on the forum site?  Or 
alternatively will it appear in the archives of the forum site?
That's the question.
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[OT] GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread James Canale, Jr.

Tony,

Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300?  My renewal is now up for $2300
and with the DVD rebate, it is still  $2000.  Do the shipments still come
directly from Microsoft?  Thanks.

Regards,

Jim


>> For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal
>>subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that down to a net
of
>>less than $1000. 


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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

I wrote:
>... An Enterprise level shop doesn't care 
>that the software costs over US1000 and probably wouldn't be 
>using PHP for development.  The Borland model is bl**dy expensive.

Dangit, I meant to emphasize that "The Borland model NOT is bl**dy
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RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

2004-04-21 Thread Karl L Pearson

I attended a VMWare symposium sponsored by IBM, Novell and a local
(quite large) consulting/programming/implementation firm. The
representative from Novell stated they would be completely off M$
products by the end of the year with nearly all desktops using Suse
Linux and OpenOffice.org for their office suite. Apparently Novell has
purchased Suse, or at least a 'port' of Suse. Also, he stated that all
of Novell's commercial products would continue to run on Windows,
because of client demand, however their main focus would be in
writing/rewriting everything to run on Linux. That project was to have
been completed by last week, with announcements coming soon. Since I'm
not even remotely involved with Novell products, I haven't kept tabs on
that portion of the project.

The IBM reps stated they they are also moving off M$ products.

Just my 2 '.01's (insert appropriate currency marker)

Karl

On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 01:10, Anthony Youngman wrote:
> It's difficult to tell (of course) but anecdotal evidence says that
> linux has overtaken Mac on the desktop. Bear in mind that linux browsers
> often identify themselves as IE in order to fool stupid sites in to
> working :-(
> 
> Oh - and we're *guaranteed* a massive collision in server space within
> the next 18 months or so ... Linux is at 25% of the market and growing
> at 50% a year, Windows is still nudging slowly upwards and at 55%.
> Obviously, if the market itself grows, then this combination of figures
> could be sustained a bit longer, but absent that the alternatives will
> have disappeared and linux and windows will be the only games in town -
> and we've had a couple of high-profile "windows to linux" conversions
> hit the news headlines in the last couple of weeks here - for example,
> John Lewis are quoted as saying "we ported because Windows couldn't cope
> with the growth in demand" :-)
> 
> Just as MS is using its grip on the client to push into the server room,
> expect linux to do it the other way round ...
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol
> 
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> > SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?.
> 
> According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html
> 
> Windows 90%+
> Mac 4%
> Linux1%
> 
> If anything over the last few years windows market share has been
> increasing as mac which used
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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

Brian Leach wrote:
>Of course the relative costs of PHP (free) against Visual 
>Studio .Net or Borland C# Builder (both bl**dy expensive) 
>might just be a small factor :-)

Respectfully Brian, I seriously disagree and we owe it to ourselves to get
up to date on the cost of development software.

A personal developer version of C#Builder is Free.  A company with a need
for the extended versions wil hopefully make a couple hundred dollars during
the year to pay for their development software.  An Enterprise level shop
doesn't care that the software costs over US1000 and probably wouldn't be
using PHP for development.  The Borland model is bl**dy expensive.

For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal
subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that down to a net of
less than $1000.  I think that's a very reasonable price to get access to
every bit of software I need from MS, including support.  Without shopping
around someone will pay over $2000, but even that isn't outrageous
considering the benefits.  Remember, that's a Universal subscription, and
there are other packages for a much lower cost.

Just for reference, I've really tried to hate MS as much as it's popular to
do so, but MS Support is absolutely fantastic, friendly, helpful, and fast.
These days my concerns with Microsoft are with cross-platform compatibility
and security.  The idea that MS software is expensive went out the window a
long time ago.

>Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free.

Yes it is, and C# 2.0 is coming out which has a number of nice new features.
Also, because C# is an open spec I believe it will be getting more respect
as a cross-platform development tool (ala Mono, etc).  This is not the case
with VB.NET or other .NET/CLR-compliant languages, so any .NET code I write
is in C#.

You don't need an IDE to use C# any more than you need an IDE for PHP, but
if you want one there are free and for-fee versions of IDEs for both.  If
you want the helpful tools you pay the price to the people who save you
time.

Tony
Technical editor, C#Builder Kick Start, SAMS Publishing
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Re: We need a web based Forum!

Got it. You meant RedHat.

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On Apr 21, 2004, at 10:22, George Gallen wrote:

Never thought about that.h.

Except their products aren't cheap!
and don't always work.
Which in the case of the TV, definitely worked, and
for $1 was cheap.
George

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Oh. The Microsoft model...

:-)

On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:29, George Gallen wrote:

from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your
money, your willing to accept almost any flaw.

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Re: OT: RE: We need a web based Forum!

"We are tied down to a language which makes up in obscurity what it 
lacks in style."

Have you ever noticed how often the little word "but" negates the 
previous clause? I don't mean to be cruel, but... I knew that program 
hadn't been completely tested, but... I don't want to hurt your 
feelings, but... It is frequently used to separate an insincere 
mollification clause from the true intent of the rest of the sentence.

I know this thread is not about U2 Tech, is off-topic, and properly 
should be moved to u2-community, but I want to let it run for a while 
longer so the new list hosts can have the benefit of the group's 
comments without the new moderators having to decide whether or not to 
End Thread it.

And I don't want the poster of the message to which this is in response 
to think that I am using his linguistic slip to tease everybody, but I 
am.  ;-)

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On Apr 21, 2004, at 7:17, it was written:

OK, I hate to keep perpetuating this thread, which has nothing to do
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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread George Gallen

Never thought about that.h.

Except their products aren't cheap!
and don't always work.

Which in the case of the TV, definitely worked, and
for $1 was cheap.

George

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>
>Oh. The Microsoft model...
>
>:-)
>
>On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:29, George Gallen wrote:
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>> from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your
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Re: We need a web based Forum!

Oh. The Microsoft model...

:-)

On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:29, George Gallen wrote:

from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your
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Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

2004-04-21 Thread Karl L Pearson

Okay, I'll bite.

I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000,
which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux
streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal
touch)

Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional
'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green
screen' parts to our APP.

Karl

On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:35, Ross Ferris wrote:
> Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ?
> 
> A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does 
> it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that 
> raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a 
> standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!?
> 
> Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply 
> haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of 
> windows.
> 
> SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one 
> thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there 
> that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the 
> "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?.
> 
> I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over 
> the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 
> "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11)
> 
> I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a 
> printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a 
> distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely 
>  that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500.
> 
> Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely 
> the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be 
> counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, 
> please identify yourself 
> 
> Ross Ferris
> Stamina Software
> Visage – an Evolution in Software Development
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> >>
> >>1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client
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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread James Canale, Jr.

>>Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free.

Yes, the VB.NET and the C# compiler are absolutely free.  There is NOTHING
that you can do with Visual Studio.NET  that you can't do with the free
download and notepad (or other).  Actually, there are things you can do with
the command line that can't be done in the VS IDE (multiple modules into
single dll, I believe).  The only thing that the VS IDE does is make you a
bit more productive.

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RE: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

2004-04-21 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis

I think someone posted the name of the voc entry required if you want to do
something at the time of an ODBC login, such as initializing named common
memory.  Otherwise, I suspect it is in the doc somewhere (sorry I don't have
more details).  Check the voc on your previous system for an entry like
...ODBC... and on the new and be sure the same routine is present, compiled,
cataloged on both machines.  --dawn

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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:51 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but I've
got a client with a pressing problem.

They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their current
DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system running
6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access virtual
fields that call SUBRoutines.

There is one critical process that requires ODBC to be up and running and
this makes use of a number of SUBR virtual fields.  Needless to say,
everything works fine against the DG.

The new system is RH 2.1 ES (kernel build 2.4.9-e34smp) running UniData
6.0.5.  Is anyone aware of any known issues with ODBC on this platform, or
of any gotchas they may have forgotten to set up properly regarding calling
SUBRs via dictionary fields accessed through ODBC.

The queries apparently run fine if cut and pasted in at the "sql>" prompt
(other than a few warnings about missing associations), but blow up with a
variety of errors (fetch errors, 81002 and 81001s) when run through MS
Query.  Ramping the logging level at the server up to 9 seems to show the
server log just stopping in mid flow at about the time that the queries blow
up and die.  Queries which only access data fields run OK, but if they call
a SUBR it gets nasty.

I'm at a bit of a loss on this one and working only on info gained from a
long telephone call at present so I'm afraid the details are sketchy.  I'm
hoping someone in a different timezone has seen this before and solved it
(or knows it can't be solved) so we can short-circuit things a bit tomorrow
as I try to track down and resolve this before cutover on the weekend!

Cheers,

Ken


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RE: How to SQLize the a UniData table!

2004-04-21 Thread Nick Southwell

1. Creating UniSQL compliant dictionary items.
Have a look at the command CREATE.SQL which will set up the
relevant items in a compliant fashion e.g. dashes become underscores.

2. When we did this, we set up separate VOC pointers to the files of interest
with separate dictionaries. The create.sql will populate the dictionary and you can
add and remove freely to this dict.

3. Changes to files.
To access the sql data remotely via OLEDB/ODBC requires the unirpc service to be 
enabled.

4. Uniobjects is not required to use unisql from the udt session (Umm.. I'm assuming 
UNIX
not so sure on windows, don't think so)

The documentation around the schema API may also be of use to you.

Good luck!

Nick

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To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: How to SQLize the a UniData table!

Hi All,

We are trying to use UniSQL to retrieve data from a UniData file. Since this is our 
first attempt, need to know how to create Dictionary items which will work with UniSql 
statement. I also need to know whether this should be done for all the dictionary 
items in the file or only the one we are planning to use with UniSQL. Are there any 
changes to be made to the UniData configfile? Should we have UniObject to use UniSQL?

Cheers

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RE: How to SQLize the a UniData table!

2004-04-21 Thread Bright, Frank

Fawaz,

Have you installed VSG on your PC?  It is used for make Unidata files into SQL tables 
and views.  Also, it helps if you have Unidata 6.0 installed.  Once you have an SQL 
table, you can install the ODBC drivers under windows, assuming you are using windows, 
and create a DSN to retrieve tables with Access, Excel and others.

HTH!

Frank

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Hi All,

We are trying to use UniSQL to retrieve data from a
UniData file. Since this is our first attempt, need to
know how to create Dictionary items which will work
with UniSql statement. I also need to know whether
this should be done for all the dictionary items in
the file or only the one we are planning to use with
UniSQL. Are there any changes to be made to the
UniData configfile? Should we have UniObject to use
UniSQL?

Cheers

Fawaz




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How to SQLize the a UniData table!

2004-04-21 Thread Fawaz Ashraff

Hi All,

We are trying to use UniSQL to retrieve data from a
UniData file. Since this is our first attempt, need to
know how to create Dictionary items which will work
with UniSql statement. I also need to know whether
this should be done for all the dictionary items in
the file or only the one we are planning to use with
UniSQL. Are there any changes to be made to the
UniData configfile? Should we have UniObject to use
UniSQL?

Cheers

Fawaz




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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

Just be careful!

The reason Sun does not want to open Java (in fact, Java itself is
available as open source, so all this crap about "open source-ing Java"
is just that - crap) is that it does not want the aim of Java - write
once run anywhere - to be subverted.

Given that it is on record that this is EXACTLY what MS intended to do
when they licenced Java from MS (hence the MS/Sun legal scraps) who can
blame Sun for being wary?

Java (not necessarily Sun's version) will be available on any platform
that people care to put it on. MS have made a point of saying (or at the
very least not denying) that .net is intended to work best with Windows
and, indeed, parts of it are likely to work ONLY with Windows.

So if I develop with Java on an IBM mainframe I have no expectation of
getting a nasty surprise from Sun. If I develop with .net, I have every
expectation of it failing to work with linux in the (maybe near) future.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 21 April 2004 15:52
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based

Yes, I agree.
But .NET is also an "open" specification, the .NET file format and the 
jvm are ecma "standardized".
And there is already an open .net vm : mono.
So using .net does not locked more into microsoft than using sun lock 
you into sun.
And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And

it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has 
already a "good environment" for .NET. More easy for us than installing 
java vm.

And the last events show us that sun does not want to open Java. So if 
sun dies, nobody can continue developping java.

It was only a kind of joke (why I used a smiley ;-), I don't want to 
start a war about sun/java versus Microsoft/.NET especially with the 
last agreement between sun and ms ;-)
Just use your prefered tool, I'll be ever productive than with a 
world-standard that you hate.

Christophe

Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:

>Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it.  But I sure
don't
>see how you are "locked in" to Sun by using it.  The Java libraries
will be
>perpetuated with or without Sun.  For example, IBM develops with Java,
and
>I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun.
>
>"Locked into Microsoft" implies dollars (forever) while "locked into
Java"
>doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all.  Agree?  --dawn
>
>Dawn M. Wolthuis
>Tincat Group, Inc.
>www.tincat-group.com
>
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>
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>Behalf Of Christophe Marchal
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>Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based
>
>Well, you have the java choice ;-)
>Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James.
>Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html
>
>But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-)
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Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Christophe Marchal

Yes, I agree.
But .NET is also an "open" specification, the .NET file format and the 
jvm are ecma "standardized".
And there is already an open .net vm : mono.
So using .net does not locked more into microsoft than using sun lock 
you into sun.
And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And 
it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has 
already a "good environment" for .NET. More easy for us than installing 
java vm.

And the last events show us that sun does not want to open Java. So if 
sun dies, nobody can continue developping java.

It was only a kind of joke (why I used a smiley ;-), I don't want to 
start a war about sun/java versus Microsoft/.NET especially with the 
last agreement between sun and ms ;-)
Just use your prefered tool, I'll be ever productive than with a 
world-standard that you hate.

Christophe

Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:

Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it.  But I sure don't
see how you are "locked in" to Sun by using it.  The Java libraries will be
perpetuated with or without Sun.  For example, IBM develops with Java, and
I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun.
"Locked into Microsoft" implies dollars (forever) while "locked into Java"
doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all.  Agree?  --dawn
Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Christophe Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM
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Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Well, you have the java choice ;-)
Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James.
Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html
But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-)

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RE: RE: We need a web based Forum!

Except you've only addressed one minor point of mine.

The fact is, most activity seems to happen stateside.

Email means I can actually hold a conversation with someone stateside.

A forum means any conversation is likely to go like a satellite phone -
with a TWELVE HOUR delay (on average) between each side speaking :-(
It's bad enough with the 3 second delay you typically get on the phone
as the signal goes via outer space, without it being twelve hours as it
goes via timezones.

For me, the practicalities are that fora turn into passive
entertainment. I can't join in, even if I want to. So don't expect me to
bother ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Sent: 21 April 2004 15:18
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: OT: RE: We need a web based Forum!

OK, I hate to keep perpetuating this thread, which has nothing to do
with U2, but...

That has not been my experience with web forums.  Most forum software I
have seen brings topics with recent replies to the top, and highlights
threads with new activity.  I have seen long dormant threads become
active again weeks or months later because someone happened to read them
and reply.

As for the lack of "immediacy", good email integration seems to me to
solve that.

The argument that, for some people, access to email is more acceptable
in their environment than access to email, however, is a very valid one.

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 02:03, Anthony Youngman wrote:

> But it is far less "immediate". I sometimes have conversations with
> people stateside. I'll find an email when I get to work at 8am BST
> (British Summer Time, not Bering Straights Time :-). I'll respond.
> 
> Then the person it was aimed at will get to work at, say, 9am New York
> Time, respond, and we bounce ideas around for an hour or so before I
go
> home.
> 
> A forum relies on me (a) noticing their message at 8am my time - and
> forum scanning puts me off - I miss loads. Then (b) they've got to
> notice early morning their time that I responded, and (c) I've got to
> catch them at it!
> 
> That just won't happen, in the normal course of events. One of the
> reasons I've abandoned many fora is that I keep coming across plenty
of
> conversations that happened while I was away, but could easily have
> contributed to. And I get p*ssed off that my (I fool myself they are
> relevant) comments get ignored because the subject has now gone stale.
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol.
> 
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> Sent: 21 April 2004 00:10
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> Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!
> 
> Why is that an argument?  A "forum" is not the same as a chatroom.  It
> is just as persistent as email.
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OT: RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Geoffrey Mitchell

OK, I hate to keep perpetuating this thread, which has nothing to do
with U2, but...

That has not been my experience with web forums.  Most forum software I
have seen brings topics with recent replies to the top, and highlights
threads with new activity.  I have seen long dormant threads become
active again weeks or months later because someone happened to read them
and reply.

As for the lack of "immediacy", good email integration seems to me to
solve that.

The argument that, for some people, access to email is more acceptable
in their environment than access to email, however, is a very valid one.

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 02:03, Anthony Youngman wrote:

> But it is far less "immediate". I sometimes have conversations with
> people stateside. I'll find an email when I get to work at 8am BST
> (British Summer Time, not Bering Straights Time :-). I'll respond.
> 
> Then the person it was aimed at will get to work at, say, 9am New York
> Time, respond, and we bounce ideas around for an hour or so before I go
> home.
> 
> A forum relies on me (a) noticing their message at 8am my time - and
> forum scanning puts me off - I miss loads. Then (b) they've got to
> notice early morning their time that I responded, and (c) I've got to
> catch them at it!
> 
> That just won't happen, in the normal course of events. One of the
> reasons I've abandoned many fora is that I keep coming across plenty of
> conversations that happened while I was away, but could easily have
> contributed to. And I get p*ssed off that my (I fool myself they are
> relevant) comments get ignored because the subject has now gone stale.
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol.
> 
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> 
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MVInternet (was: Re: Uniobjects / php)

2004-04-21 Thread Wendy Smoak

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Here's my expertise:
> 1) Pick BASIC
> 2) I can write HTML and I wrote a few javascripts!
> 3) I setup Apache as a web server

Then Pixius' product is *perfect* for you, that's all you need.  Using
exactly that, we had both a reporting front-end (read-only) and one that
was read-write for users to enter records into a handful of files.  If
we knew then what we know now, we might still be using it, but we didn't
design it very well and it became difficult to maintain.  That was *our*
fault, and perhaps an inherent issue with procedural programming where
all variables are global-- the usual gripes about UniBasic coming from
an object-oriented programmer.

> But the problem has always been the equivalent of what 
> mvInternet does.  That is, connect Apache to Universe.  So 
> you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any 
> other page server) to Universe?  I don't understand what 
> "open port 80" means or whether this actually allows Apache 
> to talk directly to Universe or whatever.

What do you not like about MVInternet?  I didn't do the original setup,
but you need to configure Apache so that it does CGI, probably by
installing a module (?).  Then you place "mvi.exe" in the cgi-bin
directory, it has a config file to tell it what to connect to, and it
basically "logs in" with a telnet session and runs UniBasic programs at
the colon prompt.  The output of those (whatever you CRT to the
"screen", which is now HTML instead of columns of data) gets captured,
you tell it to swap [TOKEN.NAMES] with the values that you set up in two
dynamic arrays, and it sends the resulting HTML out to the browser.  I
think there's a trial version, grab it and ask if you have any
questions. 

Port 80 is the default HTTP ("web") port.  It's what you connect to when
you type http://www.example.com.  Sometimes you will see a URL like
http://www.example.com:8081 where the number after the colon is a
different port number.  If you have a URL starting with https:// it is
going to port 443, the default SSL port.  Apparently you can use
CallHTTP to answer requests directly from UniVerse.  I would not expose
a port on my production database server to the internet, however!

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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Hogan, James

Sorry it has been a day before I reply, however getting the digest version
delays my response somewhat. I take my hat of to people who deal with the
deluge of individual emails each day!

Will said: "But if this works like boards.ancestry.com or www.genforum.com
then if you post via the email, your posting does not show up integrated
into the boards.  So some information is lost unless we have also an
archival engine that saves all emails, integrating them into archived forum
posts to re-form the consistent thread"

I think there are better solutions out there. For example searching the web
(having web access allows staff to find solutions for your company!) I was
able to find this http://phorum.org/ - "Phorum is a web based message board
written in PHP. Phorum is designed with high-availability and visitor ease
of use in mind. Features such as mailing list integration, easy
customization and simple installation make Phorum a powerful add-in to any
website."
It is also very common for newgroups to have mail integration e.g.
http://gaffa.org/faq/faq_1_2.html

Keith upton said: "How about company/department policy?  And why can't I do
my job properly
without having access to the web?"

How do you access the IBM Online features such as the Knowlege base,
Availability index, online call management etc. etc. How do you keep up to
date with the latest technology. Find information patches for your OS/
Software / Hardware. The list goes on. I really can not see how I could do
my development job without this essential tool.

Company /department policy can be changed, if you can show that the company
gets benefits, such as fixes found quicker / questions answered quicker. No
one is saying every person in the company needs web access. Maybe one web
access terminal is shared by a number of people. This avoids the complaint
that people are surfing the net not working. Talking of working

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Re: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread David Beahm

Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:
Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it.  But I sure don't
see how you are "locked in" to Sun by using it.  The Java libraries will be
perpetuated with or without Sun.  For example, IBM develops with Java, and
I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun.
"Locked into Microsoft" implies dollars (forever) while "locked into Java"
doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all.  Agree?  --dawn
Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com
Take and give some delight today.
Only if Sun makes Java so it has special "enhancements" that are solely 
available on Solaris, a-la J++.

David Beahm
"In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows or Gates?"
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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread George Gallen

I didn't suggest using Yahoo Groups, just using it as an
example. I hate the ads...but then again, it's free too.

>From my experience, I've usually seen fairly good response
times to posts and replies (<2 hrs). Whether it makes a difference
of .us vs .au don't know. But some of the replies have been
from .au addresses and were quite timely.

This whole thread reminds me of when I tried to give away a working
TV at a hamfest (flea market for radio equip) one year. People would
pick it up, smell it, scutinize it, shake it, asked if it worked.
This went on for 2 hours. Finally, I put a $1 price tag on it.
It sold in less than 2 minutes, with no questions asked.

The moral of the story, when something is free, you expect the world
from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your
money, your willing to accept almost any flaw.

George

>-Original Message-
>From: Craig Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:32 PM
>To: U2 Users Discussion List
>Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!
>
>
>> Yahoo groups works this way.
>>
>> You can either post via the web, or from Email, and receive
>> either web only or also via email.
>>
>> Of course, if the forum being used is canned, and doesn't have
>> those options, it might be a bit more difficult to do what
>> we
>> want.
>>
>> George
>
>But George Yahoo Groups can be SLOW. I tried to run a tutorial 
>mailing list
>in yahoo groups and it could take days for my responses to students to
>appear.
>
>
>Craig
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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis

Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it.  But I sure don't
see how you are "locked in" to Sun by using it.  The Java libraries will be
perpetuated with or without Sun.  For example, IBM develops with Java, and
I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun.

"Locked into Microsoft" implies dollars (forever) while "locked into Java"
doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all.  Agree?  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com

Take and give some delight today.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Christophe Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based

Well, you have the java choice ;-)
Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James.
Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html

But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-)

Christophe

Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:

>And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac OS?  I don't
>keep current enough with MS and I know they keep suggesting they will run
on
>Linux and MacOS, but I'm not familiar with any projects that will actually
>accomplish that.  While their .NET efforts do look like they have a lot of
>things going right for them, I still don't like locking into Microsoft for
>everything.  If I knew I could deploy the results of .NET development
>efforts on other platforms, I'd be much more interested.  --dawn
>
>Dawn M. Wolthuis
>Tincat Group, Inc.
>www.tincat-group.com
>
>Take and give some delight today.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of James Canale, Jr.
>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM
>To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
>Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based
>
>  
>
>>> So, shockwave is fine, Java
>>>Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users
>>>  
>>>
>going
>  
>
>>>to this web page and "clicking here" and that is maintained something
>>>  
>>>
>like
>  
>
>>>Adobe pdf readers would be fine.
>>>  
>>>
>
>In case you haven't seen the next version of .NET yet, Visual Studio 2005
>has a "Click Once" feature that is exactly this.  The "zero touch
>deployment" or "xcopy" stuff that started with the first release of .NET
was
>like the first version of Windows, the start of an idea that wasn't really
>too far along.  The next version improves quite a bit on this beginning.
>Actually, you have options to start from a web 'click', install a link to
>the desktop/start menu, etc..  It automatically checks/downloads a newer
>version (or runs locally if no connection to the server).  I'm sure there
>are still going to be some issues (dealing with unmanaged code comes to
>mind) but, it should work very well with UniObjects.NET (when it gets
here).
>
>Regards,
>
>Jim
>
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Re: Uniobjects / php

2004-04-21 Thread Mats Carlid

OOPS my nice looking cut and paste thingy didn't stick:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what "open port 80" means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever.
Will

One way is by CGI-scripts:

In cgi-bin ( or whatever Your Apache stores them see Apache config )

place a shell script like:

#!/bin/ksh
echo Content-type: text/html
echo
read form
echo $form >> /var/apache/log.form
cd /my/account
/u1/uv/bin/uv "my.para $form" | tee log.answer

( the echo $form and the | tee log.answer is only for debugging )
And you may want to concatenate some environment variables from apache
like $REMOTE_HOST to the form.
my.para should start a program that interpretes the forms content
( wich it will find in @COMMAND )
and call the application routines. Whatever is printed to std output
from within these will be forwarded to the browser.
The format of $form above is variable1=value1&variable2=value2&...
where the values have a few characters encoded as %xx (ascii
hexadecimal)
e.g. space, equals, ampersand.
The html form must be type 'POST' and have an action='myscript'
in the form tag
refering to the shell script in cgi-bin.
Now there are only some minor details left as figuring out how to
preserve session level data and setting up rules for translating form fields
to u2 actions and ... writing the application :^ )
We have used this approach on netscape and apache http-servers.

cheers / mats

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Re: Uniobjects / php

2004-04-21 Thread Mats Carlid

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One way is by CGI-scripts:

In cgi-bin ( or whatever Your Apache stores them see Apache config )

place a shell script like:

The html form must be type 'POST' and have an action='myscript'
in the form tag
refering to the shell script in cgi-bin.

Now there are only some minor details left as figuring out how to
preserve session level data and setting up rules for translating form fields
to u2 actions and ... writing the application :^ )
We have used this approach on netscape and apache http-servers.

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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Donald Kibbey

If you load the .Net framework SDK the compiler is there. Micro$oft has also release
the C++ compiler as a command line only download too. To use them you just have to
figure out all the command strings and such.

http://weblogs.asp.net/brianjo/archive/2004/04/17/115335.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9B3A2CA6-3647-4070-9F41-A333C6B9181D&displaylang=en

Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner LLP

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/21/04 06:45AM >>>
>Yes i noticed how poorly C# fared, it seemed to be growing all through 2002
then leveled off at just above 2% all >2003 to the current day. It seems
stuck at only 10% of Java/C/C++ popularity which it is supposed to replace.
The >ms exec's better be praying this is not the top of the bell curve.

Of course the relative costs of PHP (free) against Visual Studio .Net or
Borland C# Builder (both bl**dy expensive) might just be a small factor :-)

Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free.

Brian

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ODBC not dropping connection following client crash

2004-04-21 Thread Welsh, Peter

I suspect my "Executing helper program" problem may be related to a rather
dodgy NT box (NTECCI) that keeps rebooting unexpectedly. The NT box usually
has a few UniData ODBC connections open and it appears UniData isn't
clearing up properly after the client crashes. The result is an awful lot of
"connections".

Right now, we are unable to restart UniRPC and the terminal based users of
the system are beginning to get refused connections due to number of users
exceeding licences. Restarting the UNIX box is a last resort for us. Does
anyone have any ideas?

Once again, thanks.

We are running UniData Release 5.1  Build: (2097) on DG/UX Release R4.20MU07

and get the following netstat:
bash-2.05$ netstat -a |grep uv
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4462   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2463   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1383   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1690   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4471   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2971   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1375   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4999   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4499   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1387   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2457   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1051   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2728   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1277   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-3677   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1318   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-3418   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2821   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1697   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1797   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1272   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4466   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1701   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1684   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2450   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1330   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2827   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2431   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2948   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4648   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2448   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4996   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1410   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1713   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4641   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4645   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4629   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-3129   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2722   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1335   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4656   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-2337   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1220   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1320   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1325   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-4478   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1088   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1288   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1394   ESTABLISHED
tcp0  0  dgserver1-uvrpc   ntecci-1268   ESTABLISHED
bash-2.05$


Peter Welsh
Senior IT Development Officer
NHS Argyll & Clyde



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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

That's a LITTLE unfair :-)

Yes Miguel is a publicist, but the war is fought mainly by clueless
lusers who don't understand the real issues :-(

KDE is C++ and Free, Gnome is C and Open. There are fundamentally deep
issues with regard to all four choices, and the developers mostly
respect each others' viewpoints. It's a shame the lusers can't too.

Cheers,
Wol 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Robert Colquhoun
Sent: 21 April 2004 11:46
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based

Hello Tony,

At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote:
>I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono.  I believe it has a
>bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform
access
>into our MV apps.

Maybe also have a look at dotgnu:
 http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/

The mono project gets way more publicity, the project leader is renowned

for deliberately stirring to promote his projects(...i think he started
an 
open source 100 year war with the gnome-kde stuff).

- Robert

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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Robert Colquhoun

Hello Tony,

At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote:
I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono.  I believe it has a
bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform access
into our MV apps.
Maybe also have a look at dotgnu:
http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/
The mono project gets way more publicity, the project leader is renowned 
for deliberately stirring to promote his projects(...i think he started an 
open source 100 year war with the gnome-kde stuff).

- Robert

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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Brian Leach

>Yes i noticed how poorly C# fared, it seemed to be growing all through 2002
then leveled off at just above 2% all >2003 to the current day.  It seems
stuck at only 10% of Java/C/C++ popularity which it is supposed to replace.
The >ms exec's better be praying this is not the top of the bell curve.

Of course the relative costs of PHP (free) against Visual Studio .Net or
Borland C# Builder (both bl**dy expensive) might just be a small factor :-)

Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free.

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Re: [OT] Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports

2004-04-21 Thread CWNoah2

Nah, rented it. I drive a 12 year old truck. Even it has the stupid windows 
with a mind of their own, though.

Charlie

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And it was YOU that bought it!

m coffee... need more..

Les :-)

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Well, let's see...  the new car automatically unlocks all the doors when I 
get in (my wife thinks the carjackers'll love that one), I have to stand on the 
brake pedal to get it to start, the window decides for itself to go all the 
way down when I just want it down a crack, and the turning radius sucks. But, 
hey, that's progress. It's new and improved.

Anyway, ignore this as the grumblings of an old codger whose coffee hasn't 
overcome the arthritis yet this morning.  ;^)

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RE: GUI as nice as character-based

2004-04-21 Thread Robert Colquhoun

At 10:19 PM 20/04/2004, Brian Leach wrote:

>>(scary how much php has moved up lately!)

Actually I find it reassuring to know that PHP is still more popular than C#
Yes i noticed how poorly C# fared, it seemed to be growing all through 2002 
then leveled off at just above 2% all 2003 to the current day.  It seems 
stuck at only 10% of Java/C/C++ popularity which it is supposed to 
replace.  The ms exec's better be praying this is not the top of the bell 
curve.

Python also disappointed versus perl, i would have thought it would have 
been much more competitive.

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RE: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

You'll need to search the archives for this (I don't have any of the
stuff you mention :-) but there was discussion about calling virtual
fields from ODBC a little while ago.

I think at least one of the points was "does it rely on environment
variables or stuff set up by LOGIN?" It appears that ODBC has a
different login setup to a normal user - maybe even that UD needs a
correct $PATH to find the executable for SUBR? I dunno. Or do the
SUBRoutines rely on an initialised COMMON?

I think it should work (that was the consensus of the previous thread
iirc) but tracking down the exact problem might be a pain.

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 21 April 2004 10:51
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but
I've
got a client with a pressing problem.

They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their
current
DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system
running
6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access
virtual
fields that call SUBRoutines.

There is one critical process that requires ODBC to be up and running
and
this makes use of a number of SUBR virtual fields.  Needless to say,
everything works fine against the DG.

The new system is RH 2.1 ES (kernel build 2.4.9-e34smp) running UniData
6.0.5.  Is anyone aware of any known issues with ODBC on this platform,
or
of any gotchas they may have forgotten to set up properly regarding
calling
SUBRs via dictionary fields accessed through ODBC.

The queries apparently run fine if cut and pasted in at the "sql>"
prompt
(other than a few warnings about missing associations), but blow up with
a
variety of errors (fetch errors, 81002 and 81001s) when run through MS
Query.  Ramping the logging level at the server up to 9 seems to show
the
server log just stopping in mid flow at about the time that the queries
blow
up and die.  Queries which only access data fields run OK, but if they
call
a SUBR it gets nasty.

I'm at a bit of a loss on this one and working only on info gained from
a
long telephone call at present so I'm afraid the details are sketchy.
I'm
hoping someone in a different timezone has seen this before and solved
it
(or knows it can't be solved) so we can short-circuit things a bit
tomorrow
as I try to track down and resolve this before cutover on the weekend!

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OT: veryy OT: RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Dennis Bartlett

Schalk

The boss wouldn't touch this list with a barge pole... No,
all knowledge
of all things is embodied in which ever human is graced with
this
privelege (read curse) for the month.

The rest of us are best served by saying nothing, seeing
nothing, doing
nothing (except be in telnet and excel) and most of all
never, ever,
putting forth theories. Only the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but
what he believes in can be ventured... In truth my days are
silent.

You don't have any positions vacant in sunny douglas do you?
Anyone
else? Anywhere in Africa? Promise I'll be quiet as a mouse,
and churn
out lotsa useful utilities, plus any amount of real work...


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Dennis,

I certainly hope your boss is not on this list!

Schalk

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:18:49 -0400, Results
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dennis,
> If it helps you any, I've had bosses like your over
here (U. S.)
> and
> they come in all nationalities and regions. If misery
loves company,
> then you have more company in this type of misery than you
know. In my

> case, my boss isn't the problem (I work for myself in one
business and

> have a great partner in the second business) but my
clients often look

> at me the way your boss looks at you.
>
> - Charles "Listserver" Barouch
>
> Dennis Bartlett wrote:
>
 The main argument against the forum is that some of you

>> out their can
>> not "access >> the web". How can anyone in a development
role do
>> their job properly nowadays
>>
 without being able to "access the web". I am sure that
if

>> all we had
>> was a forum >> on the web, admin departments would be
told that X
>> needs web access and they
>>
 would get it.

>>
>> James Hogan, Sungard,
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> What a luvly world you live in. You have a boss who
trusts you.
>> You're allowed internet access. You live in a country
where
>> bandwidth isnt a
>> problem. You have an admin dept that "would be told". Of
all
>> this you
>> "are sure".
>>
>> The real world. Africa. The boss is paranoid. He's
Austrian/German.
>> He employs engineers and questions their every move. He
employs
>> programmers, and doubts their every move. If you're not
in
>> telnet you're
>> not working (unles you're in excel), if you have time to
>> load the net,
>> you don't have enough to do. First hand from idiots is
>> always preferable
>> to learned advice from the user list. Programmers don't
need
>> to
>> concentrate,keep interrupting them because it broadens
their
>> abilities
>> to understand the company.
>>
>> F*** what world do you live in... Better you keep your
job whatever
>> the cost, coz they sure don't make 'em like that over
here!
>>
>> You don't have a position in nirvana for me, do you?
>>
>>
>>
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[UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?

2004-04-21 Thread Ken Wallis

Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but I've
got a client with a pressing problem.

They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their current
DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system running
6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access virtual
fields that call SUBRoutines.

There is one critical process that requires ODBC to be up and running and
this makes use of a number of SUBR virtual fields.  Needless to say,
everything works fine against the DG.

The new system is RH 2.1 ES (kernel build 2.4.9-e34smp) running UniData
6.0.5.  Is anyone aware of any known issues with ODBC on this platform, or
of any gotchas they may have forgotten to set up properly regarding calling
SUBRs via dictionary fields accessed through ODBC.

The queries apparently run fine if cut and pasted in at the "sql>" prompt
(other than a few warnings about missing associations), but blow up with a
variety of errors (fetch errors, 81002 and 81001s) when run through MS
Query.  Ramping the logging level at the server up to 9 seems to show the
server log just stopping in mid flow at about the time that the queries blow
up and die.  Queries which only access data fields run OK, but if they call
a SUBR it gets nasty.

I'm at a bit of a loss on this one and working only on info gained from a
long telephone call at present so I'm afraid the details are sketchy.  I'm
hoping someone in a different timezone has seen this before and solved it
(or knows it can't be solved) so we can short-circuit things a bit tomorrow
as I try to track down and resolve this before cutover on the weekend!

Cheers,

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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Schalk van Zyl

Dennis,

I certainly hope your boss is not on this list!

Schalk

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:18:49 -0400, Results <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dennis,
If it helps you any, I've had bosses like your over here (U. S.) and 
they come in all nationalities and regions. If misery loves company, 
then you have more company in this type of misery than you know. In my 
case, my boss isn't the problem (I work for myself in one business and 
have a great partner in the second business) but my clients often look 
at me the way your boss looks at you.

- Charles "Listserver" Barouch

Dennis Bartlett wrote:

The main argument against the forum is that some of you

out their can
not "access >> the web". How can anyone in a development
role do their
job properly nowadays
without being able to "access the web". I am sure that if

all we had
was a forum >> on the web, admin departments would be told
that X needs
web access and they
would get it.

James Hogan, Sungard,
Dear Sir,
What a luvly world you live in. You have a boss who trusts
you. You're
allowed internet access. You live in a country where
bandwidth isnt a
problem. You have an admin dept that "would be told". Of all
this you
"are sure".
The real world. Africa. The boss is paranoid. He's
Austrian/German. He
employs engineers and questions their every move. He employs
programmers, and doubts their every move. If you're not in
telnet you're
not working (unles you're in excel), if you have time to
load the net,
you don't have enough to do. First hand from idiots is
always preferable
to learned advice from the user list. Programmers don't need
to
concentrate,keep interrupting them because it broadens their
abilities
to understand the company.
F*** what world do you live in... Better you keep your job
whatever the
cost, coz they sure don't make 'em like that over here!
You don't have a position in nirvana for me, do you?






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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Results

Dennis,
   If it helps you any, I've had bosses like your over here (U. S.) and 
they come in all nationalities and regions. If misery loves company, 
then you have more company in this type of misery than you know. In my 
case, my boss isn't the problem (I work for myself in one business and 
have a great partner in the second business) but my clients often look 
at me the way your boss looks at you.

   - Charles "Listserver" Barouch

Dennis Bartlett wrote:

The main argument against the forum is that some of you
 

out their can
not "access >> the web". How can anyone in a development
role do their
job properly nowadays
 

without being able to "access the web". I am sure that if
 

all we had
was a forum >> on the web, admin departments would be told
that X needs
web access and they
 

would get it.
 

James Hogan, Sungard,
Dear Sir,
What a luvly world you live in. You have a boss who trusts
you. You're
allowed internet access. You live in a country where
bandwidth isnt a
problem. You have an admin dept that "would be told". Of all
this you
"are sure".
The real world. Africa. The boss is paranoid. He's
Austrian/German. He
employs engineers and questions their every move. He employs
programmers, and doubts their every move. If you're not in
telnet you're
not working (unles you're in excel), if you have time to
load the net,
you don't have enough to do. First hand from idiots is
always preferable
to learned advice from the user list. Programmers don't need
to
concentrate,keep interrupting them because it broadens their
abilities
to understand the company.
F*** what world do you live in... Better you keep your job
whatever the
cost, coz they sure don't make 'em like that over here!
You don't have a position in nirvana for me, do you?

 

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Strange UniData ODBC Error

2004-04-21 Thread Welsh, Peter

I came into work this morning to find a number of my apps had died overnight
with an error I have never seen before. Searching Google and AltaVista (my
usual route for strange error messages revealed nothing).

Does anyone know what this error means:

"[Ardent][SQL Client][UNIDATA]Executing helper program error"

Thanks in advance if you can help me.

Peter Welsh
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RE: Mvquery Printing Question

2004-04-21 Thread Brian Leach

Dave,

I must admit I've never seen that behaviour before. 
PSE does not make any explicit tray assignments*, so it must be something in
your printer environment. 

I'll ask Aarron to contact you to chase it through - PSE is really his baby.

*Perhaps it should. If you can email mvs support directly I can get it added
to the RFC list.

Brian. 

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Subject: Mvquery Printing Question

I was wondering if any Mvquery users are having a similar problem to this
with the Print Server Edition :
 
When the reports print out the reports are requiring us to intevene because
the reports are not going to the default tray. The report is being sent to
the manual tray instead.


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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Dennis Bartlett

>> The main argument against the forum is that some of you
out their can
not "access >> the web". How can anyone in a development
role do their
job properly nowadays
>> without being able to "access the web". I am sure that if
all we had
was a forum >> on the web, admin departments would be told
that X needs
web access and they
>> would get it.

James Hogan, Sungard,
Dear Sir,

What a luvly world you live in. You have a boss who trusts
you. You're
allowed internet access. You live in a country where
bandwidth isnt a
problem. You have an admin dept that "would be told". Of all
this you
"are sure".

The real world. Africa. The boss is paranoid. He's
Austrian/German. He
employs engineers and questions their every move. He employs
programmers, and doubts their every move. If you're not in
telnet you're
not working (unles you're in excel), if you have time to
load the net,
you don't have enough to do. First hand from idiots is
always preferable
to learned advice from the user list. Programmers don't need
to
concentrate,keep interrupting them because it broadens their
abilities
to understand the company.

F*** what world do you live in... Better you keep your job
whatever the
cost, coz they sure don't make 'em like that over here!

You don't have a position in nirvana for me, do you?


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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-21 Thread Stuart Boydell

Hi Kate,
the web based forum they are talking about is essentially the same as this
list. Contrary to some complainants that there is no e-mail notification,
there is, in fact, an option for immediate e-mailing of new posts. However,
you do need to write your new or response posts on the web site which may be
inconvenient for some.
For me, for whatever reason (firewall, corp net nanny, etc), I lose about 5%
of e-mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the received order is often shuffled
so I'm happy to go web.
The other advantages I perceive are better file areas - user managed rather
than Clif having to do the work, and possibly better apropos discipline.
In effect, it's the same, just a different medium.
Regards,
Stuart

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> Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:35
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!
>
>
> My ignorance is showing.  What is the difference between a forum
> and a list
> (like this)?
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum!
>
>
> Why is that an argument?  A "forum" is not the same as a chatroom.  It
> is just as persistent as email.
>
> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:38, Kate Stanton wrote:
>
> > >From New Zealand, the main argument against a forum is that we sleep
> while
> > you work and vice versa.  It is 9:30am here now, and 7:30am in Sydney -
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