> It seems that he/she/it is a *winter* person ;-)
> (Maybe, reincarnation of yeti)
Andrew means "Strong and Manly". Fairly gender specific.
http://www.andythenamebender.com/name-meanings/Andrew.htm
I like this:
"
Origin: Shakespearean
Meaning: 'Twelfth Night', also called 'What You Will' Sir
Lawrence E. Rosen asked:
> Would someone please explain what protection committers expect from ASF?
> And what legal empowerment is being granted?
I doubt that very many people can answer that question with any authority at
all. Certainly not me. The most that I can do for you is provide a coup
Before doing this, I'd like to see a final list of nominations on PMC.
Then I'd like to see if they are accepted, as not all of them were
self-nominations, before going to the General list.
Hen
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I invite each candidate to create a new subject thre
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf
of the organization. Further is it seems that the ASF does
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500
To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious
On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wr
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:31 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:13 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no o
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:13 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw).
From what
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liabil
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf
of the organization. Further is
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability
protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf of
the organization. Further is it seems that the ASF does not believe
this protect
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > > Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects
> > > do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that
> > > this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure
I don't think that crossposting would be good keep it here
On Dec 22, 2003, at 4:52 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Hello, folks.
I am a moderator of three -dev lists in jakarta.
What should I do next? Forwardin' this Pro-forma to
each -dev lists?
T.I.A.
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On Sun
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:10:27 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want
> > to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant.
> +1, Andrew seems to have boundless energy in this regard ;-) !
It seems that he/she/it is
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects
> > do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that
> > this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open
> > discussion can happ
Hello, folks.
I am a moderator of three -dev lists in jakarta.
What should I do next? Forwardin' this Pro-forma to
each -dev lists?
T.I.A.
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500
(Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were)
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> This is what I pr
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:12:02 -0500
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects
> do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that
> this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open
> discussion can
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Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are
trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta
onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary.
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers.
I think
I invite each candidate to create a new subject thread with their position statement.
I realize that this has been stated across many threads, and it would be nice to see
in a single thread, devoted to each candidates: with maybe a subject such as:
[Position: PMC Chair Candidate name].
A new thr
> -Original Message-
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want
> to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant.
+1, Andrew seems to have boundless energy in this regard ;-) !
On Dec 22, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Danny Angus wrote:
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet
committers.
I certainly think that increasing the size of the PMC makes it easier
for
things to get discussed on the PMC list, but if people care (and you
do for
one) about visibili
You are free to do what you want. Is this then about personal google
hitcount?
On Dec 21, 2003, at 11:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I think the problem isn't the private list, on which we will continue
to do work, such as voting, but follow up.
geir
Heads up,
FYI, except where I feel the situ
> While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers.
I certainly think that increasing the size of the PMC makes it easier for
things to get discussed on the PMC list, but if people care (and you do for
one) about visibility the very nature of things mean that it won't ha
I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want
to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant.
IIRC, the thread in play at the time was my note to ask the opinion of
all PMC members re the CLA signing, to make sure that it was a clear
message we all wan
Andy wrote:
> FYI, except where I feel the situation absolutely mandates it, I will be
> voting/discussing here.
> I choose to
> work in the open. I choose to be googled. I volunteered for it in fact.
Well said, I agree with this.
But why be so confrontational about it? After all in the t
> Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are
> trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta
> onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary.
>
While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers.
--
Andrew C. Oliver
htt
>
> I think the problem isn't the private list, on which we will continue
> to do work, such as voting, but follow up.
>
> geir
Heads up,
FYI, except where I feel the situation absolutely mandates it, I will be
voting/discussing here.
While I'm not sure I agree, out of courtesy, I will vote pr
Well, saying please and asking nicely had no effect.
--
Andrew C. Oliver
http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
For Java and Excel, Got POI?
The views expressed in this email are those of the author
YES! -- And members, and board, and incubator, and
Move it into the open.
-Andy
--
Andrew C. Oliver
http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
For Java and Excel, Got POI?
The views expressed in t
> From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500
> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
Vik,
> What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
> This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
> ashamed of it, don't do open source community.
The source code is open, "Open Source" and to support this the development
process is also open
On Dec 22, 2003, at 8:05 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:38:54 -0500
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source
community?
This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
ashamed of it, don't do open source communi
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:38:54 -0500
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
> > This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
> > ashamed of it, don't do open source community.
> There are lots of things. Committ
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:27 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
... sensitive things should be on the PMC
list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list.
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you a
Members of the Jakarta Community :
With the privilege of committership in the ASF comes the requirement
that each committer sign a document called the "Committer License
Agreement", or CLA.
The CLA is a legal agreement between you, the committer, and the ASF in
which you state that the contrib
... sensitive things should be on the PMC
list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list.
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
ashamed of it, don't do open source community.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 8:17 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:17:57AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
That's the point of getting as many people as are seriously interested
in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we
discuss
something sensitive (as defined by t
On Dec 21, 2003, at 9:20 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:09:34PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I think that there is nothing wrong with the PMC having a private list
and discussing things there, especially when we're discussing trying
to
make that group bigger. I'm sure th
> No, that is not correct. The point of having most committers
> on the PMC is not to keep discussions out of google. The
> point of getting them on the PMC is so that the ASF can
> legally protect them, and so that they are legally empowered
> to participate in the decisions that govern the pr
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