To my knowledge, the only statistics program that is accessible at all
is SPSS with a set of scripts written by a fellow I think is named
Peter Orem and JAWS. I would look at the FS web site or write to
someone like Eric Damery who would know the status.
On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Bejar
As far as I have been able to discern over the years, NFB doesn't play
games like making up for a poor review by turning around and giving
out a good one. I do not always agree with NFB positions but I do
feel that they are consistent and intellectually honest when they
comment on a tech
Corporate slander is virtually impossible to prove in a US court.
Also, can anyone imagine the Wall Street Journal headline, "Apple Sues
Blind Advocacy Organization Over Poor Review?"
I can already feel Apple PR people choking on their morning coffee as
they read this example on this maili
My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall into
two categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and
people already using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping
up with the technology conversations.
Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirel
Hi,
I installed the latest iTunes and a number of things seem to have
gone weird. First, iTunes didn't automatically detect my library
which is odd as it isn't in an obscure location and it should have
been able to find it from the settings of the previous version. The
iTunes upgrade a
Hi,
I think that when I installed SL on my iMac a strange thing started
happening. Specifically, the volume seems to go back to a loud state
even though I had lowered it in my previous session. I always shut
down cleanly so I can't figure out why this happens.
Please help.
cdh
--~--~--
2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>> So, can someone help with restoring?
>
> I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the
> Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore.
>
> If you just launch Time Machine and click on "r
ar the usual startup tone you
> hold down the C-key and the drive should start spinning. After a
> couple of minutes you should be in the Language Chooser, if all goes
> well and you can then start VoiceOver.
>
> Hope it works for you.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 3, 2009,
Thanks.
On Oct 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't use Time Machine, personally, I use SuperDuper!. But I can
> make a Time Machine backup to try it out.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
&g
button.
>>
>> What do I need to do to do a DVD boot?
>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, JC Helary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, can someone help with restoring?
>>>
>&g
able.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for your help. I did a clean OS install and replaced a few
>> things from Time Machine (with wife's help) and all but one thing
>> seems good - I don't know
Hi,
When I was a VP at FS, I used brailled index cards with pushpins and
yarn on a bulletin board. Then we kind of got MS Project working with
JAWS (a project FS has orphaned since) which, if one is good in tree
views and writing Project macros and filters, a blink could actually
manage
I just installed iWork today and plan on trying its presentation
package for my slides at the ACB Mid-Atlantic conference where I am co-
hosting the MacAttack forum.
The presentation package in OpenOffice also may work but I haven't
tried it either.
cdh
On Oct 7, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Donal Fit
cdh
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Hi,
I've been asked to co-present a program about Macintosh and VoiceOver
at the ACB Mid-Atlantic conference on 10/30 in Baltimore. I have not
yet tried the presentation programs in either iWork or OpenOffice,
does anyone with experience using such have a little time to help me
get start
009, at 1:05 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
> I think that Keynote in IWork is your best bet. I've played around
> with it and while it seems a bit flaky, I think that most things can
> be done with vo.
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
&
Hi Josh and all,
I think that these lists and people's web pages, podcasts and other
user community based "help" systems provide a great service to a whole
lot of us. To wit, on Saturday, I'm doing a presentation on Macintosh
at ACB Mid-Atlantic when, roughly a year ago, I was still trying
Here, here!!
On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>
> OH NO! You send two copies of the same message! Somewhere, some
> limited bandwidth user has just been bankrupted by your careless use
> of your unlimited band width, you bourgeoise fat cat capitalist! Go
> buy $5 milli
Do we really want Josh to get tangled up in blue?
On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>
> Keep on keepin' on, Josh, and thanks for the fabulous work you do!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com]
Hi,
I was at the Open Source Accessibility Conference in Toronto Tuesday
through Thursday and I'm now in Baltimore for the ACB Mid-Atlantic
convention and will go home on Sunday. Thus, I haven't been able to
read this study yet so I do not know how they gathered the
information, hence, c
Hi,
Apple does sell extended warranty packages for its laptops and other
products. These are pretty expensive but are really excellent service.
I would bet that Apple would work out a bulk sale deal with your
blindness organization if they would enter negotiations.
Historically, Apple ha
Hi,
When looking at compute power, one needs to consider what the users
need at home, school and work. The fact of the matter is that a brand
new laptop from Apple, Dell, HP, etc. probably have an incredibly
overpowered CPU for the requirements of the typical user.
The Core 2 in my new Ma
I'm mostly a research bum. I work on projects at universities that
are big on being interesting but poor on the pay scale. I don't need
a salary so I can afford to just do cool stuff which is a fun way to
live.
On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:41 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>
> Hello, well because laptops
tract, and we
> could prove directly to a person that they were a piece of crap. When
> comparing high end notebooks to eachother, Macbooks more than hold
> their own on price, quality and service.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Best,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician an
Way back, when Macintosh was the only mass market computer with a
sound card of acceptable quality and a 68030 processor with a memory
map system that could address something like a large neural net, it
was the only place that the then fledgling Dragon could bring it - of
course, accessibi
This is going to be a hard one. They may have a claim under ADA
Restoration Act signed by President Bush in August 2008 which does
address electronic communication but this may be a place where no
accommodation is possible. I wouldn't sue the Guggenheim Museum for
not having "blind acces
and
> microsoft could go to the we are trying card. Good debate either
> way. At least its more senseable in my mind than the law suit about
> making the u s paper money accessible. Take care, Max
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:05 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>>
>>
g it most of the
>> others will too, II wouldn't be a bit suprrised if nintendo and
>> microsoft could go to the we are trying card. Good debate either
>> way. At least its more senseable in my mind than the law suit about
>> making the u s paper money accessibl
Happy Hacking,
cdh
On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:01 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>
> What was the reference to Southwest? Don't know any lawsuit
> involving them.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On B
than the law suit about
> making the u s paper money accessible. Take care, Max
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:05 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>>
>> This is going to be a hard one. They may have a claim under ADA
>> Restoration Act signed by President Bush in August 2008 which does
Hi,
To post to vo-bs, you need to subscribe. Else, I get messages like the one
below and have to deal with each message on its own.
Thanks, your grumpy bs'er
cdh
Begin forwarded message:
> From: vo-bs-ow...@lists.hofstader.com
> Date: November 11, 2009 7:24:47 PM EST
> To: vo-bs-ow...@lists.
I agree that your first course of action should be getting your MacBook to
Apple (you can drop it off at a store or ship it to the company if the former
is not possible) and, under AppleCare, get it restored to a better state.
Then, if you still want to sell it, you will probably be in for a sa
Hi Everyone,
Yes, I've cross posted this to the three Apple related mailing lists of which I
am a member. It is apropos to all three and anyone can delete one or more if,
like me, they are subscribed to all of them.
Over a year ago, I started a mailing list called vo-bs which intended to be a
n368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
>
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Yes, I've cross posted this to the three Apple related mailing lists of
>> which I am a member. It is apropos to all three
;>
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>
>&g
Hi,
I have two thoughts about inserting ads into the OS and both are bad.
First, those of us who use VoiceOver do not need any distracting other sounds
that are not the result of an action we had taken or (like the tone when an
email arrives) we expect to happen.
Second, some times we need to
For those of you interested in software patents, I recommend you visit the
League for Programming Freedom, an organization Richard Stallman and I
co-founded a lot of years ago. It's at: www.progfree.org.
cdh
On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Jake wrote:
> Hi
> I really don't think Apple would be cr
Serious patent applications, with all of their overhead, cost about $15k to
$20k. FS filed a lot of patents and I got dragged into the process sometimes.
They are currently using two to bash GW Micro using every tool in their arsenal
- including patents.
You can go to my blog (www.blindconfid
I can always tell what is Mp3 (even at its higher sampling rates) and what is
lossless. I do have an audiophile class stereo and listen mostly to classical
and jazz which often have wide dynamic ranges that the MP3 compression, quite
often, will turn into absolute mud.
MP3 is fine for an iPod,
ror.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
>
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you subs
Hi,
I'm moving off of my old MacBook 13 and onto my new MacBook Pro 13. I shared
the Documents folder on the new computer, went over to the old one, went into
its Documents folder, did a select all and copy and it said 48 items copied. I
went to the shared folder in Finder from the new comput
Quick Nav is one of my favorite of the new features but it can be really
confusing if you turn it on accidentally as everything seems just a little
weird.
On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:59 AM, May McDonald wrote:
> Oh thank you very much. Yes that was it. Now I wonder how I managed to
> change that, s
Huh, I had thought the latest release had VO running on it properly. I guess
I'll need to remove it from the list of Apple's universal access
accomplishments.
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Here is a reply received with regard to Apple TV accessibility with
> VoiceOver.
>
> Ma
There are about a bazillion utilities that come from the UNIX base on which OSX
sits that are all command line accessible. You can do a lot of stuff with
htese tools which have been around for an eternity so are well tried and true.
cdh
On Nov 28, 2009, at 10:38 AM, .dan. wrote:
>
> I'm very
Apple has a pretty flat management structure with different teams acting nearly
autonomously as if they were separate companies.
The iWork team is one such business unit and may or may not place a high value
on accessibility. The access technology group who make VO and the other
universal ac
I would think that an appeal to the European Union section on disability would
probably result in a reversal in this decision. The lawsuit in question
started a long time ago and used a pretty crufty version of VO which wasn't too
usable in many areas. With all of the improvements since, thoug
This should be moved to the bs list...
Getting government agencies or the non-profits with whom they contract to
provide such services in the US is really a hard problem to solve in the
current economic climate.
First off, a lot of people in the consumer services side of these organizations
at agencies should offer choice and be able
>> to support choice. Of course everything always ties directly back to
>> funding, but I would submit that a Mac would be less expensive. Well to be
>> honest, this thread probably has run its course and I think we agree on many
>> point
I often share the frustration but I don't think the blame is entirely with the
agencies. People blind from childhood are far more likely to be independent
than are those of us who, like me, went blind later in life from RP or some
other degenerative disorder or accident. The kids are "in the s
My only valuable experience with an agency was learning the little bit of
braille that I know at a local Lighthouse. I've had lots of friends work at
such places and I believe they do as good as they can under constant budgetary
pressures and I think these people do so with hope rather than my
Hi,
Because the viphone, MacVisionaries and MacVoiceOver lists all have specific
purposes, we launched the vo-bs mailing list where conversations not
appropriate to the actual meat of these other lists can go. Sometimes when a
thread gets off topic, it is moved for further comment to the vo-bs
Senators Harkin, Hagel, the late Kennedy and Feingold (perhaps others) did
discuss an access technology provision but got slapped down by both parties for
adding cost to the bill. Some might argue that the ADA restoration act of 2008
(signed by President Bush in August of last year without muc
I CC'd the bs list on this post and I think we should probably move it there...
The operative phrase in your post is "from your employer" which points us to a
chicken and egg problem - people can't get jobs until they learn to use a
screen reader and they can't really get a screen reader (or com
ty party; just wanted to point out that the
> advantage isn't really with being born blind or not, as much as it is where
> you live, and of course the money factor plays a huge roll.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>> I often share th
NFB does not actually try to push people toward JAWS and Windows. Their
Macintosh/VO review was a pathetic example of poor journalism but they do and
say rather mean things about lots of other products from FS and elsewhere.
At one NFB convention, because OpenBook had fewer features in the Span
According to NFB numbers, there are 1.5 blind people and about 10 million low
vision in the US. With a total population of over 300 million, we are an
absolutely tiny fraction of the population.
cdh
On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:50 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> Unfortunately you have to be realistic tho
I am so sick of teaching random citizens about guide dogs, blindness, that I
don't need a wheelchair or assistance walking up a jet way, how I can dial a
telephone, how I can pee into a urinal without missing - you name it, that I
can almost explode.
An anecdote: In Harvard Square, the rapid t
That phone, called Oasis in the US, was an entirely private venture although
they did get a loan from Once in Spain on which I think they defaulted. I am
good friends with one of the people who led the organization here in the US and
she's using an iPhone these days.
As I've said, a mass marke
My ultimate trigger are the people who ask, "does he want a braille menu?" or
something similar as if I wasn't actually there. This is a real zero level
interrupt for me that I need to fight hard not to blow out a sequence of
profanity (I am originally from New Jersey where such language is pr
The Windows AT vendors and to a large extent some of the advocacy groups argue
that MS should not try to include accessibility out of the box. The AT vendors
want, of course to protect their turf, but do so with the notion that MS will
screw it up and cannot be relied upon to actually make it w
Ted Henter, at the 1996 NFB convention made the argument in a speech he
delivered that an MS solution would never be as comprehensive as JAWS or one of
the other screen access tools from the niche companies because it would never
be their highest priority (you can probably find the entire text o
I think VO does a poor job with spreadsheets, containing none of the semantic
navigation features in JAWS or WE. It generally does a hardly adequate job in
all tabular constructs and struggles with complex web 2.0 apps like googledocs.
On Dec 1, 2009, at 5:47 PM, James & Nash wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
a problem forever and fs has never done
> anything to solve this issue thru out office not just excel.
>
> I believe web 2.0 is going to reek havoc for screen reader users for many
> years regardless of the screen reader.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Messa
While VO works very well in most cases without scripting, I would assume that
one could add the really interesting augmentations that JAWS and WE provide in
a lot of programs to make their users interactions more efficient.
I really want to explore doing this but I haven't had the time or energy
of business if they'd
> improved narrator, FS and GWM are facing that same pressure as a result of
> voiceover and nvda anyway.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Hofstader"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Economic
I actually think VO provides much better support for the stuff that ships
installed on a Macintosh than JAWS does with a lot of the Windows stuff. VO
may miss a few things (I find TimeMachine restores pretty hard to use with VO
and Spaces is far from obvious with VO) but JAWS still doesn't work
ebody on another
> list I belong to like a program call Tables for this purpose. Currently I
> don't work with tables but thought this might be of interest. I may be way
> off the mark.
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>> I
I think this argument can be nicely informed by looking at Jamal Mazrui's
"Dueling Operating Systems" presentation at CSUN 2009. He has an expert in
JAWS, VO and orca perform identical tasks and one can watch/hear how well each
performs.
On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:36 PM, John G. Him wrote:
> Well, y
excellent
> feature this would be if it only worked as it should.
>
> TC
>
> James
> On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:35, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>> I actually think VO provides much better support for the stuff that ships
>> installed on a Macintosh than JAWS does
ll probably go with an
> Iphone.
>
> I don't know... Maybe FS can afford to lose all that business as long as I
> still have jaws on my work computer.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Hofstader"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2
jaws, not against it.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Hofstader"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac
>
>
> I actually think VO provides much better support for the stuff that ships
ow you can say that jaws misses more
>> than voiceover. You've given 3 significant examples of things voiceover
>> misses and just one fairly obscure thing for jaws and windows.
>>
>> Plus, it would seem to me that if you can use the jaws cursor to get
>> s
uld be committed. it's your fault for assuming. learn to
>> communicate and all of your listed issues will be resolved.
>>
>> Good luck, Go nfb :(
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>
>>> I am so sick of teaching random
This subject line is driving me nuts as every time I hear it I think it is VO
talking and not a subject for an email.
On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:09 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> I must be doing something wrong. What do I type in the folder name?
> Library/preferences was not found. I feel really stup
didn't cause
anyone to lose work or need to reboot.
On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:59 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> Sorry, I'll change it. That's one of those things I didn't think about until
> after I had started it.
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:59 AM, Chris Hofstade
, but can that really compare to
> using a real track pad? There's no separate trackpad as far as i know, or am
> i wrong here?
> /Krister
>
>
> 3 dec 2009 kl. 13.45 skrev Chris Hofstader:
>
>> The combination of the spatial information provided by object navigati
I haven't tried this at all so I am just providing a reasonably well educated
guess based on what we did to get JAWS to work with MS Access:
The table view was, in our case, already pretty accessible but we had to label
some graphics and put in some scripts to read the column headers. We may
Actually, the latest and greatest voice recognition systems are amazingly
accurate after they have been adequately trained. "Adequate" training does
thak hundreds of hours of use and being incredibly faithful to correcting the
mistakes the software makes. Few people who can type are willing to
What is an MBP15?
On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> Well, that may be a point. I do relish the action of a good keyboard,
> and it wasn't until I got much better hearing aids that I finally gave
> up on my IBM model M keboard; built like a tank, all metal parts, rea
I kept my IBM AT keyboard until the SPACEBAR fell of for the lst time and
SuperGlue was no good anymore. I loved that keyboard. I must say, though,
that I really dig the MacBook Pro keyboard even without the old IBM punch back
keys.
Oh... I just realized what an MBP15 is...
On Dec 4, 2009, at
Given some of the tricks I mentioned yesteray, you may be able to make it sort
of accessible but in an entirely clunky manner.
Databases are one of the application sectors, along with accounting and a few
other somewhat sophisticated applications that people need to get higher paying
jobs and p
The Apple "Speakable Items" feature for voice command and control have been
around for about a million years and it's very well document on the Apple site
as well as from other sources.
cdh
On Dec 5, 2009, at 10:08 AM, .dan. wrote:
>
> Someone asked:
>
> "I've looked with some curiosity at th
Nicolai, etc.
My experience with iPhone had a lot of mistakes in the early going but now,
about six months into using it, I don't know how I lived without it for so long.
There are lots of things I did wrong but, from making mistakes, I found other
cool features that I would use in the future.
I don't understand this one?
On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Mark Gilland wrote:
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
>
> Chris.
>
>
> ? ? t?? Te?? 畫 sa?.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nicolai Svendsen"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Boy? do! I? feel? stupid!
>
>
>
7;m
> probably going to make a lot of mistakes if I get an iPhone, or the fact I
> was being nice. Oh well.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
&
Hi,
I have been using Adium for a while now (if you like, you can contact me on MSN
at blindchrist...@live .com, I forgot my AOL name as I only used it once).
Recently, I finally got to copying it from the Downloads folder and into
Applications which didn't seem to make a difference. When, ho
Hi,
My wife got up and I asked to borrow her eyes for a few moments. I had
mentioned that Adium and Syrinx Dock menus could no longer be reached since I
moved them into the "Run at Login" category. I then launched Mail and I could
no longer use its or any other running program's Dock menu.
W
I'll check for updates, thanks!
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> There was something in an older version about naughty behavior with adium,
> Did the latest update get applied? If so they may not have gotten this
> behavior under control.
> On 2009-12-09,
Hi,
We just tried getting the Dock menus for running applications to pop up
without VO running and all seemed normal. Once I restarted VO, though, the
problem of the disappeared menus returned.
I did check for Adium version and it said I was up to date. I'll try Syrinx
now and see if it may
Hi,
We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving nothing
executing at start up other than VO and Finder and problem remains that I
cannot get to the menus on the items associated with running programs on my
dock.
This is starting to really suck.
cdh
--
You recei
my textedit
> alias in the dock. The only way I could get to the shortcut menu was
> to do VO-shift and M and then use the arrow keys to select the
> shortcut menus. Hope this helps
> cheers Thuy
>
>
> On 09/12/2009, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My wife g
l Message -
> From: "Chris Hofstader"
> To: ;
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:02 PM
> Subject: More on Dock Problem
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We removed both Adium and Syrinx from the run at login feature, leaving
>> nothing executing at
move
> to it. So I click the mouse, it speaks it again then when I command-tab, it
> works fine.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
>
> On De
I seem to have the same problem as Donna in that these keystrokes on my MacBook
Pro behave as she describes. Could it be having emails sorted into threads and
collapsed?
cdh
On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hi Esther,
>
> That doesn't work either, VO-FN-Shift Up arrow takes
NVDA is a usable program that, unfortunately, doesn't support very many
applications yet. If you can program in Python, you can help the team move it
forward. As a full time solution, though, it isn't ready for prime time yet.
I know both Mick and Jamie, the top of the NVDA team, and they work
t automatically be a
> non starter.
>
> TC
> James
>
> TC
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Hofstader"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: questions about NVDA
>
>
> NVDA is a usable progra
good - at
> lesat in Word. I too always look at the tools I or another user needs for
> the job at hand, thus like you, I am not and hopefully will never be an
> evangelist for one platform or piece of AT.
>
> TC
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: &
y.
>>
>> But of course there has been criticism from commercial venders and those
>> trainers who should really be impartial - at least in my view. They believe
>> that because NVDA is free and open source then it must automatically be a
>> non starter.
>>
I mostly agree with Eric here but attribute the variations in web
information/screen reader combination to a lack of acceptance on the part of
web developers, browser authors and, to a big extent, screen access vendors.
It is true that Apple is setting its own accessibility standards but, for al
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To those of us who feel that screen readers will always provide second cla
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