Re: [AFMUG] Another Observium Meltdown on Reddit
but the norm is stroking? On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I like the guy. He doesnt stroke anybodys cock on stuff, If its not going to happen, he says so, leaving zero chance that there is any miscommunication of his intention. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: And yet there seems to be some enjoying watching it and keeping it alive. On Jun 4, 2015 7:29 PM, Steve li...@wavedirect.org wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/38dvh9/my_experience_with_observium_management/ Looks like Adam Armstrong after burning his bridges with all the WISPS went on another irc rage. He ticked off another person not more than a month later. He posted his chat logs to /r/networking in reddit and it made it o the front page for 2 straight days. Went on a tirade in another display of unprofessional behavior continued to inflame the situation again and actually got banned from Reddit. Jump into LibreNMS. Its so much better in a creative environment with people at the helm so helpful and dedicated its almost unheard of. I'm so glad all of this happened because something so good came from it. Even has already added 5 different vendors for me alone in the last month. Working on other wireless stuff and major improvement. The ##Librenms channel had quadrupled with supporters and contributors. Its just not fun watching someone like this self destruct, start losing all his customers and circling the drain like this. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV
Then the data protection circuits are probably HV. Was not sure we made that variant. From: Josh Baird Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 3:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV If they have the LED lights on them, they are definitely not GigeAPC. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've been ordering the GIGE ones but I'm not sure if they're labeled as such. Does anyone have a picture they can confirm works with gig? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably just 100meg. We got sent a bunch of these from Streakwave on accident once. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
[AFMUG] FS: NEW 3630SMs
Hello, We have 33 New 3630SMs (in box) arriving in a couple days. We are selling for $ 300 each or best offer on the lot. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Project Management Tools
and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
I use JIRA (and Confluence) extensively with a team that tracks infrastructure related issues, but I'm not really sure I call it a 'project management' tool. It's probably more focused on software development, but it's very flexible and we are happy with it. It's simple and the Atlassian Marketplace has a ton of useful plugins that can make it even better. It's also very cheap for small teams (like $10 for 10 users). I can't really say enough good things about the entire Atlassian product line. Trello and Basecamp are good options in my opinion for project management. Josh On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
Geez. Ok declawed ant eater on each AP with current shot records on file
at site. You could even make them some fire proof coverall jumpsuits with
your logo.
Jaime Solorza
On Jun 5, 2015 5:00 AM, Work timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you guys think of silicon around the cap/holes of SM? or would the
SM's start getting full of water?
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Because uric acid neutralizes the pathogens.
bp
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On 6/4/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene, why
do they not require a warning? Because they are in little cages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block
*From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
I did not know mothballs were poisonous. I guess grandma shouldn’t have
let us play with them in her closet.
What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating
those?
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?
Are you in the clear?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
Mothballs could be the same situation.
Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and
company.
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
granular poison
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
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Ryan,
I've heard a mothball would work. The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers. We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units. Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.
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Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
At previous job I used Basecamp and loved it .. miss it and current employer uses Brightwork (which is a system built inside Sharepoint) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:54 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
I dont miss sharepoint at all..our it director loved it. Auugh Jaime Solorza On Jun 5, 2015 8:01 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: At previous job I used Basecamp and loved it .. miss it and current employer uses Brightwork (which is a system built inside Sharepoint) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 9:54 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Project Management Tools and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
Ooh. Eclipse PPM probably . they are based not too far away from me in Toronto.. Only seen a demo of their stuff - never used it.. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 10:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools Our PM team is trying to cram something called Eclipse down everyone's throats. _ From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com mailto:joshba...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools I use JIRA (and Confluence) extensively with a team that tracks infrastructure related issues, but I'm not really sure I call it a 'project management' tool. It's probably more focused on software development, but it's very flexible and we are happy with it. It's simple and the Atlassian Marketplace has a ton of useful plugins that can make it even better. It's also very cheap for small teams (like $10 for 10 users). I can't really say enough good things about the entire Atlassian product line. Trello and Basecamp are good options in my opinion for project management. Josh On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
yeah that's it. painful to use, plus they're trying to convince everyone that time tracking is the way to go. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools Ooh... Eclipse PPM probably ... they are based not too far away from me in Toronto.. Only seen a demo of their stuff - never used it From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 10:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools Our PM team is trying to cram something called Eclipse down everyone's throats. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.commailto:joshba...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools I use JIRA (and Confluence) extensively with a team that tracks infrastructure related issues, but I'm not really sure I call it a 'project management' tool. It's probably more focused on software development, but it's very flexible and we are happy with it. It's simple and the Atlassian Marketplace has a ton of useful plugins that can make it even better. It's also very cheap for small teams (like $10 for 10 users). I can't really say enough good things about the entire Atlassian product line. Trello and Basecamp are good options in my opinion for project management. Josh On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
Our PM team is trying to cram something called Eclipse down everyone's throats. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools I use JIRA (and Confluence) extensively with a team that tracks infrastructure related issues, but I'm not really sure I call it a 'project management' tool. It's probably more focused on software development, but it's very flexible and we are happy with it. It's simple and the Atlassian Marketplace has a ton of useful plugins that can make it even better. It's also very cheap for small teams (like $10 for 10 users). I can't really say enough good things about the entire Atlassian product line. Trello and Basecamp are good options in my opinion for project management. Josh On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
I don’t mind Sharepoint (if you’re already in a heavy MS environment which I am) … but Brightwork I’m not super fan of yet – would rather work in MS Project in all honesty …. Basecamp was slick, easy to use, priced right … and I loved the app for it … comparing Basecamp to MS Project isn’t possible – two completely different animals but they each have their “space” in my opinion…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 10:07 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools I dont miss sharepoint at all..our it director loved it. Auugh Jaime Solorza On Jun 5, 2015 8:01 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: At previous job I used Basecamp and loved it .. miss it and current employer uses Brightwork (which is a system built inside Sharepoint) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:54 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33020523 Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
I thought everyone stopped using those years ago. I didn't even realize that they still made them. They aren't grounded and provide no path to ground for the radio. I just make sure that I explain to each customer that the 'POE' side provides power to the radio, and anything else that you plugin to it will be permanently fried. I haven't had anyone do that yet. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News
Yea. Let's hear it for more noise! On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33020523 Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Did you just say you couldn't get your fiber to link when plugged into ethernet? On Jun 5, 2015 11:02 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: You should probably read the changelogs.� I had a few weird issues on older firmware...like version 6.7 or so.� I never had it crash completely, the worst thing was an issue where ethernet ports would flap.� It's been a year or more since anything unexpected happened to me with a CCR, but in the changelogs I still see bugs being fixed that cite crashing under specific circumstances. There was one problem I had that I don't know if it was resolved.� If I put an SFP module into an SFP+ port, I couldn't get ethernet link to another unit that had the SFP module in an SFP port.� I tried it several times because I thought in theory these things were backwards compatible, but it never worked for me and I just stopped trying that configuration. I have a feeling if you go out of your way to find things that crash it, you'll find some.� Though if you do, I hope you'll report it to Mikrotik support. Ok thanks� � Any stability issues with them in general?� I know this is a broad question .. I�ll be comparing this to what I�m used to (Cisco/Juniper) which are traditionally rock solid for years on end � I tested some smaller units before and managed to melt them down pretty quickly .. granted it wasn�t for WISP application and we were going out of our way to try and take them offline (testing) � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM � You won't have a performance problem.� Before firewall rules you'll be at like 2% CPU.� I don't think they make the 36 core unit with dual power supplieswhich is something I never understood.� Otherwise I think you'll like what it does and how easily it does it. Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K � Thanks, Paul � � �
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply
Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Thanks for the feedback.. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM We've got one, might have a different amount of RAM, don't remember. Worked okay, but my QoS rules hit one of 36 CPUs pretty hard, the others were idling. The cable engineer had to have a CCR because it was faster than the Core i7 router I built for them. Turns out the ponytailed computer guy *might* actually know what he's talking about. As far as routing, switching, etc, they seem to do fine. With the QoS setup I have routing 250Mbps at the time, the CCR couldn't spread the load over multiple cores. When I disabled my QoS rules the CCR routed just fine at an idle. A big part of the reason we went with MT for the edge was the QoS control, so the CCR has now been assigned another job. I think this was around 6.12 or so. Might work better now. A lot of other things work better as of around 6.20. - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Anyone used one of these - any feedback? I'm getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them - roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS). This is just an estimate at this point.. Whether I like it or not, it looks like I'm swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory .. :| Thanks, Paul
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply
In the high-RF environments where you'd need shielded ethernet cable, I expect you'd have a patch panel to terminate the shield, not the wall wort. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: It has no ground for shielding whatsoever. EOL was a good call. Andy Trimmell Systems Engineer Precision Data Solutions, LLC Mooresville, IN 46158 317-831-3000 ext 211 www.pdsconnect.me -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
Matt, We absolutely liked these during our testing we did and look forward to getting some of these in.. Thanks Dave On 06/05/2015 01:31 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
We use MD5 for authentication.
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On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network
in plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a
customer stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if
theyre not on the backbone of the network since I have all interfaces
in this?
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
Changes are coming... I (as much as you guys, believe me) are hoping this makes things better! -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200 It remembers you for a while. I have a better idea. So, my support login gets me into the community site as well. Why can't my support login also get me all the spec sheets I want? :) On 6/5/2015 1:32 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: The pain comes from filling out the form 100 times. Couldn't the site send us a cookie so it knows we've already filled the form? Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways -Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
i assume so, theyre set to the /30 between the routers, backbone is the only area. There are multiple /30 on the interface itself for the routers that are out there on the layer2 bridge. This particular router was placed where three legs of the network converge to isolate them. Then going site by site to fully route them and start building back in redundant pathways On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Networks tab set right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this on also have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be coming into play, though I dont know how. If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman, all nice until you dont come home one night and the next day they make sure you see them, wear little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods. I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in the mikrotik. It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt easily get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration, so this is the interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have 5 more of them that were supposed to be here wednesday. I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just add the OSPF link networks in. I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type of thing. I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my part, but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid shit on a whim. On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
It remembers you for a while. I have a better idea. So, my support login gets me into the community site as well. Why can't my support login also get me all the spec sheets I want? :) On 6/5/2015 1:32 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: The pain comes from filling out the form 100 times. Couldn't the site send us a cookie so it knows we've already filled the form? Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject:
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Interesting. I knew BGP was single threaded. Apparently multi-threading BGP was too complex (or something) and they decided to optimize their algorithms instead. I wasn't aware that anything else was limited to a single thread. I sure hope that isn't still a thing. We've got one, might have a different amount of RAM, don't remember. Worked okay, but my QoS rules hit one of 36 CPUs pretty hard, the others were idling. The cable engineer had to have a CCR because it was faster than the Core i7 router I built for them. Turns out the ponytailed computer guy *might* actually know what he's talking about. As far as routing, switching, etc, they seem to do fine. With the QoS setup I have routing 250Mbps at the time, the CCR couldn't spread the load over multiple cores. When I disabled my QoS rules the CCR routed just fine at an idle. A big part of the reason we went with MT for the edge was the QoS control, so the CCR has now been assigned another job. I think this was around 6.12 or so. Might work better now. A lot of other things work better as of around 6.20. - Original Message - *From:* Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 10:18 AM *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Anyone used one of these � any feedback? I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS). This is just an estimate at this point�. Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K Thanks, Paul
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
The pain comes from filling out the form 100 times. Couldn't the site send us a cookie so it knows we've already filled the form? Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
PCQ is suppose to use a core per connection, so in theory it should have perfectly spread the load across all 36 cores. Instead most cores were fairly low, one core was constantly pegged. I did forget to mention that 6.7 had a severe port flapping issue, but that was also when connected to my RB600 that had been hit by lightning 3 times. 6.12 on an RB2011 works perfect connected to the same RB600. We have the CCR in the cable plant now, mostly used as a dummy switch, light routing. It will soon handle a heavier load, DNS and ToD. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Interesting.� I knew BGP was single threaded.� Apparently multi-threading BGP was too complex (or something) and they decided to optimize their algorithms instead.� I wasn't aware that anything else was limited to a single thread.� I sure hope that isn't still a thing. We've got one, might have a different amount of RAM, don't remember. Worked okay, but my QoS rules hit one of 36 CPUs pretty hard, the others were idling. � The cable engineer had to have a CCR because it was faster than the Core i7 router I built for them. Turns out the ponytailed computer guy *might* actually know what he's talking about. � As far as routing, switching, etc, they seem to do fine. With the QoS setup I have routing 250Mbps at the time, the CCR couldn't spread the load over multiple cores. When I disabled my QoS rules the CCR routed just fine at an idle. A big part of the reason we went with MT for the edge was the QoS control, so the CCR has now been assigned another job. I think this was around 6.12 or so. Might work better now. A lot of other things work better as of around 6.20. � � � - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K � Thanks, Paul � �
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
In a presentation earlier this year they had 5 versions of the C3 devices. One was a C3-201W which included PoE, 2.4 GHz WiFi, 5 GHz WiFi, and *no* VoIP. MSRP was listed as $110. -Chris On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
I think I managed to get my browser to just auto-fill it with Cookie Monster and Atul’s email address. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Changes are coming... I (as much as you guys, believe me) are hoping this makes things better! -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200 It remembers you for a while. I have a better idea. So, my support login gets me into the community site as well. Why can't my support login also get me all the spec sheets I want? :) On 6/5/2015 1:32 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: The pain comes from filling out the form 100 times. Couldn't the site send us a cookie so it knows we've already filled the form? Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways -Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was,
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
Networks tab set right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this on also have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be coming into play, though I dont know how. If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman, all nice until you dont come home one night and the next day they make sure you see them, wear little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods. I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in the mikrotik. It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt easily get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration, so this is the interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have 5 more of them that were supposed to be here wednesday. I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just add the OSPF link networks in. I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type of thing. I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my part, but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid shit on a whim. On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
Actually I already filled out the form and had that, but did not see a user guide / manual. -Original Message- From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200 Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the
Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News
Wont matter in 10 years. NASA says we will have contact with aliens by then.we can steal their signals and not pay anyone Jaime Solorza On Jun 5, 2015 9:29 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: When I moved into my house 4 years ago I thought about pulling fiber to each room… instead did CAT6. If the WiGiG AP’s have SFP ports on them, I might change my tune considering how inexpensive media converters or switches are becoming. Biggest expense would be that 24 port SFP switch. UBNT I’d love one of those :-D Daniel White (303) 746-3590 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 9:19 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News WiFi interference is getting so bad in some areas (like multitenant buildings and dense subdivisions) that I predict a revolutionary new technology will become popular: wires. At one time, it was a mark of a high end custom home that it was wired for data. Now people view wired data as kind of a Steampunk technology, for the same people who play vinyl records. But maybe we will see a resurgence. I’m thinking the home with a Tesla in the garage should have fiber in the walls and WiGig APs in every room, with fiber ports at the home office, entertainment center and server/media closet for the serious electronics. That WiFi stuff was great until the rabble got it. Similar to the Arab oil embargo in the 70’s which caused a shortage of plastic, I remember the company I worked for at the time was looking at a new miracle material to replace woodgrain plastic cabinets: actual wood. Like a Spruce Goose for your living room. *From:* Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 9:55 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News As hard as it is to accept it (and you Jaime of course know this so the post is not directed to you) it pays to remember at times like this that Part 15.247 is not the Wi-Fi band. The rules allow for anything within the Grand Canyon scale broadness of the technical rules. Even with the billions of dollars invested, deployed and dependent on Wi-Fi, it remains just as much an opportunistic resident on ISM (and to some extent UNII) as anything else. In other words, one person's noise is another person's symphony. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 10:39 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33020523 Jaime Solorza This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Describe it as the wire that doesn't have a connector, the one that's permanently attached. Maybe it's just that people will be dumb no matter what PoE we give them. On 6/5/2015 12:22 PM, Nate Burke wrote: Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
I like this idea.
Wonder what importing one would cost?
- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza
To: Animal Farm
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
Geez. Ok declawed ant eater on each AP with current shot records on file at
site. You could even make them some fire proof coverall jumpsuits with your
logo.
Jaime Solorza
On Jun 5, 2015 5:00 AM, Work timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you guys think of silicon around the cap/holes of SM? or would the
SM's start getting full of water?
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Because uric acid neutralizes the pathogens.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/4/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene, why
do they not require a warning? Because they are in little cages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block
From: Daniel White
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
I did not know mothballs were poisonous. I guess grandma shouldn’t
have let us play with them in her closet.
What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating
those?
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?
Are you in the clear?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
Mothballs could be the same situation.
Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees
and company.
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
granular poison
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
m...@mailmt.com wrote:
Ryan,
I've heard a mothball would work. The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers. We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units. Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.
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R antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:
R ￜ
R ￜ
R Ryan
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Ok thanks Any stability issues with them in general? I know this is a broad question .. Ill be comparing this to what Im used to (Cisco/Juniper) which are traditionally rock solid for years on end I tested some smaller units before and managed to melt them down pretty quickly .. granted it wasnt for WISP application and we were going out of our way to try and take them offline (testing) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM You won't have a performance problem.� Before firewall rules you'll be at like 2% CPU.� I don't think they make the 36 core unit with dual power supplieswhich is something I never understood.� Otherwise I think you'll like what it does and how easily it does it. Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. :| � Thanks, Paul � �
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply
Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
IMHO, that's a good thing. You want any path to ground to be outside the
house.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 7:41 AM, Jeremy wrote:
I thought everyone stopped using those years ago. I didn't even
realize that they still made them. They aren't grounded and provide
no path to ground for the radio. I just make sure that I explain to
each customer that the 'POE' side provides power to the radio, and
anything else that you plugin to it will be permanently fried. I
haven't had anyone do that yet.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net
mailto:m...@amplex.net wrote:
So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the
traditional power supply?
The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs
more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional
CAT5 jumper cable.
While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a
power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a
customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going
to create more ‘miswire’ service calls.
Mark
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Thanks for feedback… SFP in SFP+ port seems to vary … generally I never have to do that but in Juniper world for example on EX switches you can interchange them with certain modules (other modules have no support) and to do so you must enter a configuration command to set that mode… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Negative sir. I've referring to Gigabit ethernet running on fiber optic cable with gigabit SFP modules. The problem occurred when one of the SFP modules was in an SFP+ (i.e. 10 gigabit) port which in theory should have been backwards compatible. On 6/5/2015 12:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Did you just say you couldn't get your fiber to link when plugged into ethernet? On Jun 5, 2015 11:02 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: You should probably read the changelogs.� I had a few weird issues on older firmware...like version 6.7 or so.� I never had it crash completely, the worst thing was an issue where ethernet ports would flap.� It's been a year or more since anything unexpected happened to me with a CCR, but in the changelogs I still see bugs being fixed that cite crashing under specific circumstances. There was one problem I had that I don't know if it was resolved.� If I put an SFP module into an SFP+ port, I couldn't get ethernet link to another unit that had the SFP module in an SFP port.� I tried it several times because I thought in theory these things were backwards compatible, but it never worked for me and I just stopped trying that configuration. I have a feeling if you go out of your way to find things that crash it, you'll find some.� Though if you do, I hope you'll report it to Mikrotik support. Ok thanks� � Any stability issues with them in general?� I know this is a broad question .. I�ll be comparing this to what I�m used to (Cisco/Juniper) which are traditionally rock solid for years on end � I tested some smaller units before and managed to melt them down pretty quickly .. granted it wasn�t for WISP application and we were going out of our way to try and take them offline (testing) � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM � You won't have a performance problem.� Before firewall rules you'll be at like 2% CPU.� I don't think they make the 36 core unit with dual power supplieswhich is something I never understood.� Otherwise I think you'll like what it does and how easily it does it. Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. :| � Thanks, Paul � � �
Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
I'll come stab you if you break out silicone. Use a mastic or something
that doesn't ruin everyone's day
On Jun 5, 2015 9:00 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Geez. Ok declawed ant eater on each AP with current shot records on file
at site. You could even make them some fire proof coverall jumpsuits with
your logo.
Jaime Solorza
On Jun 5, 2015 5:00 AM, Work timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you guys think of silicon around the cap/holes of SM? or would
the SM's start getting full of water?
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Because uric acid neutralizes the pathogens.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/4/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene,
why do they not require a warning? Because they are in little cages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block
*From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
I did not know mothballs were poisonous. I guess grandma shouldn’t have
let us play with them in her closet.
What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating
those?
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?
Are you in the clear?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
Mothballs could be the same situation.
Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and
company.
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
granular poison
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
m...@mailmt.com wrote:
Ryan,
I've heard a mothball would work. The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers. We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units. Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.
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R antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:
R ￜ
R ￜ
R Ryan
R Fourway.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
The one that really ticked me off was a POE injector where the ports are
labeled something like Data in and Data + Power out. The 320 POE
was like that. The use of the words in and out when data is clearly
(to me) bidirectional makes no sense. For the Joe Schmoe's comparing it
to something like video in and video out it seems backwards.
Basically those labels are nonsense to everyone and cause confusion.
Is Cambium taking notes for design of their future PoE injectors?
On 6/5/2015 12:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
First I've heard of it.
I guess I have mixed feelings. The Canopy POE is simple, and it's
super easy to tell if it's plugged in properly. The other types (like
Tycon) are hard for some people to grock. Even when I show it to them
and explain which connector goes where, I've had customers argue with
me that it should be the other way. So on the Tycons, I have gone to
the extreme of labeling the POE/LAN cables to indicate exactly what
they hook to.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 7:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the
traditional power supply?
The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs
more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional
CAT5 jumper cable.
While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power
strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer
with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create
more ‘miswire’ service calls.
Mark
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
You won't have a performance problem. Before firewall rules you'll be at like 2% CPU. I don't think they make the 36 core unit with dual power supplieswhich is something I never understood. Otherwise I think you'll like what it does and how easily it does it. Anyone used one of these � any feedback? I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS). This is just an estimate at this point�. Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K Thanks, Paul
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Negative sir. I've referring to Gigabit ethernet running on fiber optic cable with gigabit SFP modules. The problem occurred when one of the SFP modules was in an SFP+ (i.e. 10 gigabit) port which in theory should have been backwards compatible. On 6/5/2015 12:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Did you just say you couldn't get your fiber to link when plugged into ethernet? On Jun 5, 2015 11:02 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: You should probably read the changelogs.� I had a few weird issues on older firmware...like version 6.7 or so.� I never had it crash completely, the worst thing was an issue where ethernet ports would flap.� It's been a year or more since anything unexpected happened to me with a CCR, but in the changelogs I still see bugs being fixed that cite crashing under specific circumstances. There was one problem I had that I don't know if it was resolved.� If I put an SFP module into an SFP+ port, I couldn't get ethernet link to another unit that had the SFP module in an SFP port.� I tried it several times because I thought in theory these things were backwards compatible, but it never worked for me and I just stopped trying that configuration. I have a feeling if you go out of your way to find things that crash it, you'll find some.� Though if you do, I hope you'll report it to Mikrotik support. Ok thanks� � Any stability issues with them in general?� I know this is a broad question .. I�ll be comparing this to what I�m used to (Cisco/Juniper) which are traditionally rock solid for years on end � I tested some smaller units before and managed to melt them down pretty quickly .. granted it wasn�t for WISP application and we were going out of our way to try and take them offline (testing) � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM � You won't have a performance problem.� Before firewall rules you'll be at like 2% CPU.� I don't think they make the 36 core unit with dual power supplieswhich is something I never understood.� Otherwise I think you'll like what it does and how easily it does it. Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K � Thanks, Paul � � �
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Oddly the labels on the otherwise identical Tycons are a little better than
the ones on the Lairds which seem to have been written by someone whose
native language is not English. RJ45/splitter or switch/hub.
But I just tell them the cable from the outside goes to the port with the
red POE warning sticker.
Also we typically use a yellow patch cord to the router. Works especially
well with Cisco ATAs and Netgear routers.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power
supply
First I've heard of it.
I guess I have mixed feelings. The Canopy POE is simple, and it's super
easy to tell if it's plugged in properly. The other types (like Tycon)
are hard for some people to grock. Even when I show it to them and
explain which connector goes where, I've had customers argue with me
that it should be the other way. So on the Tycons, I have gone to the
extreme of labeling the POE/LAN cables to indicate exactly what they
hook to.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 7:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional
power supply?
The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more,
does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper
cable.
While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip)
it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited
ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’
service calls.
Mark
[AFMUG] MFi sensor
Anyone using the mfi sensors for temperature control? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
You should probably read the changelogs. I had a few weird issues on older firmware...like version 6.7 or so. I never had it crash completely, the worst thing was an issue where ethernet ports would flap. It's been a year or more since anything unexpected happened to me with a CCR, but in the changelogs I still see bugs being fixed that cite crashing under specific circumstances. There was one problem I had that I don't know if it was resolved. If I put an SFP module into an SFP+ port, I couldn't get ethernet link to another unit that had the SFP module in an SFP port. I tried it several times because I thought in theory these things were backwards compatible, but it never worked for me and I just stopped trying that configuration. I have a feeling if you go out of your way to find things that crash it, you'll find some. Though if you do, I hope you'll report it to Mikrotik support. Ok thanks� Any stability issues with them in general? I know this is a broad question .. I�ll be comparing this to what I�m used to (Cisco/Juniper) which are traditionally rock solid for years on end I tested some smaller units before and managed to melt them down pretty quickly .. granted it wasn�t for WISP application and we were going out of our way to try and take them offline (testing) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM You won't have a performance problem.� Before firewall rules you'll be at like 2% CPU.� I don't think they make the 36 core unit with dual power supplieswhich is something I never understood.� Otherwise I think you'll like what it does and how easily it does it. Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K � Thanks, Paul � �
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
First I've heard of it.
I guess I have mixed feelings. The Canopy POE is simple, and it's super
easy to tell if it's plugged in properly. The other types (like Tycon)
are hard for some people to grock. Even when I show it to them and
explain which connector goes where, I've had customers argue with me
that it should be the other way. So on the Tycons, I have gone to the
extreme of labeling the POE/LAN cables to indicate exactly what they
hook to.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 7:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power
supply?
The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does
not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable.
While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s
simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to
screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls.
Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
What do you guys think of silicon around the cap/holes of SM? or would the SM's
start getting full of water?
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Because uric acid neutralizes the pathogens.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/4/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene,
why do they not require a warning? Because they are in little cages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block
*From:* Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
I did not know mothballs were poisonous. I guess grandma shouldn’t
have let us play with them in her closet.
What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating those?
*From:*Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:*Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?
Are you in the clear?
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
Mothballs could be the same situation.
Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your
employees and company.
Daniel White
(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590
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mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
granular poison
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
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Ryan,
I've heard a mothball would work. The well guys do taht
around here
to keep them out of the well controllers. We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units. Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.
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Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News
Yep. I have been on dark side when I point out that these are not wisp exclusive bands when grid and SCADA networks knock some wisps out of service. Jaime Solorza On Jun 5, 2015 8:56 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: As hard as it is to accept it (and you Jaime of course know this so the post is not directed to you) it pays to remember at times like this that Part 15.247 is not the Wi-Fi band. The rules allow for anything within the Grand Canyon scale broadness of the technical rules. Even with the billions of dollars invested, deployed and dependent on Wi-Fi, it remains just as much an opportunistic resident on ISM (and to some extent UNII) as anything else. In other words, one person's noise is another person's symphony. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 10:39 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33020523 Jaime Solorza This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
I always liked the original PoE and rarely used anything else. So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
[AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Anyone used one of these - any feedback? I'm getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them - roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS). This is just an estimate at this point.. Whether I like it or not, it looks like I'm swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory .. :| Thanks, Paul
Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News
WiFi interference is getting so bad in some areas (like multitenant buildings and dense subdivisions) that I predict a revolutionary new technology will become popular: wires. At one time, it was a mark of a high end custom home that it was wired for data. Now people view wired data as kind of a Steampunk technology, for the same people who play vinyl records. But maybe we will see a resurgence. I’m thinking the home with a Tesla in the garage should have fiber in the walls and WiGig APs in every room, with fiber ports at the home office, entertainment center and server/media closet for the serious electronics. That WiFi stuff was great until the rabble got it. Similar to the Arab oil embargo in the 70’s which caused a shortage of plastic, I remember the company I worked for at the time was looking at a new miracle material to replace woodgrain plastic cabinets: actual wood. Like a Spruce Goose for your living room. From: Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News As hard as it is to accept it (and you Jaime of course know this so the post is not directed to you) it pays to remember at times like this that Part 15.247 is not the Wi-Fi band. The rules allow for anything within the Grand Canyon scale broadness of the technical rules. Even with the billions of dollars invested, deployed and dependent on Wi-Fi, it remains just as much an opportunistic resident on ISM (and to some extent UNII) as anything else. In other words, one person's noise is another person's symphony. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:39 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33020523 Jaime Solorza This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply
Given that we use a surge suppressor at the transition of the cable between inside an outside cable I never cared about shielding on the inside wire. I would actually prefer not to ground at the POE since it introduces a potential ground loop. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: It has no ground for shielding whatsoever. EOL was a good call. Andy Trimmell Systems Engineer Precision Data Solutions, LLC Mooresville, IN 46158 317-831-3000 ext 211 www.pdsconnect.me -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Yeah we are pretty bummed about it. I don't see why we can't keep buying them if we want to. Come on cambium! 2 cents -Sean On Friday, June 5, 2015, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News
When I moved into my house 4 years ago I thought about pulling fiber to each room… instead did CAT6. If the WiGiG AP’s have SFP ports on them, I might change my tune considering how inexpensive media converters or switches are becoming. Biggest expense would be that 24 port SFP switch. UBNT I’d love one of those :-D Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News WiFi interference is getting so bad in some areas (like multitenant buildings and dense subdivisions) that I predict a revolutionary new technology will become popular: wires. At one time, it was a mark of a high end custom home that it was wired for data. Now people view wired data as kind of a Steampunk technology, for the same people who play vinyl records. But maybe we will see a resurgence. I’m thinking the home with a Tesla in the garage should have fiber in the walls and WiGig APs in every room, with fiber ports at the home office, entertainment center and server/media closet for the serious electronics. That WiFi stuff was great until the rabble got it. Similar to the Arab oil embargo in the 70’s which caused a shortage of plastic, I remember the company I worked for at the time was looking at a new miracle material to replace woodgrain plastic cabinets: actual wood. Like a Spruce Goose for your living room. From: Patrick Leary mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:55 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals -BBC News As hard as it is to accept it (and you Jaime of course know this so the post is not directed to you) it pays to remember at times like this that Part 15.247 is not the Wi-Fi band. The rules allow for anything within the Grand Canyon scale broadness of the technical rules. Even with the billions of dollars invested, deployed and dependent on Wi-Fi, it remains just as much an opportunistic resident on ISM (and to some extent UNII) as anything else. In other words, one person's noise is another person's symphony. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:39 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Power beamed to camera via ambient wi-fi signals - BBC News http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33020523 Jaime Solorza This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply
Maybe the OEM will sell it themselves? So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
That will do it. You want the routing subnet (the /30) to be first on
the list. The other local subnets will get in the way.
I've not had one with that many local subnets, usually just one or
sometimes two. But if you delete and re-add the local subnets, it will
put the /30 first, and you should be good to go.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:30 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
yes there are. Eth3 for example has 36 local subnets that are customer
facing on the network. 2 local /30 for the two remote OSPF routers
beyond this interface, 12 /30 subnets for the backhaul access (each
radio will be on a /30 with its connected router interface, this is
just in prep, as the sites are isolated the subnets will move) and one
local subnet to act as a gateway for a catch all DHCP relay
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found that
if you have other non-route type subnets on an interface, that
they can mess with the routed subnets. So you can remove/re-add
those subnets that aren't used for routing, and the routes will
populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing
this on also have an old milan switch in front of them, that
could be coming into play, though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or
Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but
never updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman,
all nice until you dont come home one night and the next day they
make sure you see them, wear little sexy outfits, but withhold
the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up
all snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks
tab in the mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is
set to broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point,
but I couldnt easily get point to point option on the Fortigate
OSPF configuration, so this is the interim that worked until the
network is all mikrotik, we have 5 more of them that were
supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then
just add the OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval
type of thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my
part, but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do
stupid shit on a whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the
network in plain text? how viewable is this if its type
broadcast? like can a customer stick wireshark on his bridged
subscriber and see it if theyre not on the backbone of the
network since I have all interfaces in this?
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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
How do I know what order theyre in? Im currently in winbox and thats just
sorted.
So what Im not understanding is why it initially works, but if a switch (or
backhaul) in between drops, it shows the neighbor relationship, but never
populates routes?
Im not questioning the advice, just trying to understand the underlying
mechanics to avoid a similar fate in the future
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That will do it. You want the routing subnet (the /30) to be first on the
list. The other local subnets will get in the way.
I've not had one with that many local subnets, usually just one or
sometimes two. But if you delete and re-add the local subnets, it will put
the /30 first, and you should be good to go.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:30 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
yes there are. Eth3 for example has 36 local subnets that are customer
facing on the network. 2 local /30 for the two remote OSPF routers beyond
this interface, 12 /30 subnets for the backhaul access (each radio will be
on a /30 with its connected router interface, this is just in prep, as the
sites are isolated the subnets will move) and one local subnet to act as a
gateway for a catch all DHCP relay
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found that if you
have other non-route type subnets on an interface, that they can mess with
the routed subnets. So you can remove/re-add those subnets that aren't used
for routing, and the routes will populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this on
also have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be coming into
play, though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or
Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never
updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman, all nice until
you dont come home one night and the next day they make sure you see them,
wear little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all
snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in the
mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to
broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt
easily get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration, so
this is the interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have
5 more of them that were supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just
add the OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type of
thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my part,
but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid shit on a
whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in
plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer
stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the
backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this?
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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
I think it got worse actually. Feels slower... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
This is from one of the imagestreams that drops out ! interface dummy0 ! interface eth0 ip ospf authentication-key X ! interface eth1 ! interface eth2 ! interface gre0 ! interface ip6tnl0 ! interface lo ! interface mpls0 ! interface sit0 ! interface tunl0 ! router ospf ospf router-id 172.31.255.9 redistribute connected network 172.31.0.68/30 area 0.0.0.0 area 0.0.0.0 authentication ! line vty ! On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: [admin@MikroTik] /routing ospf export # jan/20/1970 04:26:15 by RouterOS 6.19 # software id = IEFS-6614 # /routing ospf instance set [ find default=yes ] redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=as-type-1 redistribute-static=as-type-1 router-id=\ 172.31.255.110 /routing ospf interface add authentication=simple authentication-key=XX network-type=broadcast /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment=1 BMU UPLINK network=172.31.0.48/30 add area=backbone comment=xx2 UPLINK network=172.31.0.60/30 add area=backbone comment=xx3 UPLINK network=172.31.0.52/30 add area=backbone comment=xx4 UPLINK network=172.31.0.64/30 add area=backbone comment=xx5 UPLINK network=172.31.0.72/30 add area=backbone comment=xx6 UPLINK network=172.31.0.68/30 [admin@MikroTik] On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 06/05/2015 03:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at that OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing? That looks like you are sending packets that: 1. Shouldn't be sent (speaking OSPF from IPs you shouldn't) OR 2. You have a bridge loop or similar that is allowing packets from other interfaces to come back to this router You can send this offlist if you want, but do: /routing ospf export Post that information and it will be easier to see what's happening. You can mask the key in the output if you want. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found that if you
have other non-route type subnets on an interface, that they can mess
with the routed subnets. So you can remove/re-add those subnets that
aren't used for routing, and the routes will populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this
on also have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be
coming into play, though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or
Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never
updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman, all nice
until you dont come home one night and the next day they make sure you
see them, wear little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all
snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in
the mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to
broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt
easily get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration,
so this is the interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik,
we have 5 more of them that were supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just
add the OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type
of thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my
part, but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid
shit on a whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network
in plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a
customer stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if
theyre not on the backbone of the network since I have all interfaces
in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
I plan on moving to that when we only have mikrotik. I just went with
simple because it didnt mean any more work on any of the other depreciating
brands
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We use MD5 for authentication.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in
plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer
stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the
backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
eventually each interface will only have 2 /30 on them, one for the OSPF
router on the other end, and one for the locally attached backhaul
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
OK. The simple auth is not encrypted. You need to use MD5 if you want the
auth to encrypt.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I plan on moving to that when we only have mikrotik. I just went with
simple because it didnt mean any more work on any of the other depreciating
brands
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We use MD5 for authentication.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in
plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer
stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the
backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
With my configuration this would be expected maybe then since two ports on
the router go into the same switch?
I had a second port connected while preparing to isolate a a backhaul.
I isolated the backhaul and got to a single port again, but plugged in
another for testing something else
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com wrote:
Nope. That generally means your router is sending out an ospf ‘hello!’
packet, and is getting it back. I.e. bridge loop.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at
that OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
How do I know what order theyre in? Im currently in winbox and thats just
sorted.
So what Im not understanding is why it initially works, but if a switch
(or backhaul) in between drops, it shows the neighbor relationship, but
never populates routes?
Im not questioning the advice, just trying to understand the underlying
mechanics to avoid a similar fate in the future
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That will do it. You want the routing subnet (the /30) to be first on the
list. The other local subnets will get in the way.
I've not had one with that many local subnets, usually just one or
sometimes two. But if you delete and re-add the local subnets, it will put
the /30 first, and you should be good to go.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:30 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
yes there are. Eth3 for example has 36 local subnets that are customer
facing on the network. 2 local /30 for the two remote OSPF routers beyond
this interface, 12 /30 subnets for the backhaul access (each radio will be
on a /30 with its connected router interface, this is just in prep, as the
sites are isolated the subnets will move) and one local subnet to act as a
gateway for a catch all DHCP relay
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found that if you
have other non-route type subnets on an interface, that they can mess with
the routed subnets. So you can remove/re-add those subnets that aren't used
for routing, and the routes will populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this on
also have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be coming into
play, though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or
Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never
updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman, all nice until
you dont come home one night and the next day they make sure you see them,
wear little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all
snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in the
mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to
broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt
easily get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration, so
this is the interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have
5 more of them that were supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just add
the OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type of
thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my part,
but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid shit on a
whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in
plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer
stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the
backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
I'm glad you're finally getting as annoyed as the rest of us. Can you talk to someone and FIX IT!! On 6/5/2015 1:31 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
The slowest thing I've used is a Galaxy S3 and it was acceptable. Much slower than on a PC, but acceptable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 3:38:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Uhh do you ever use something that doesn't have a massive CPU? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
Nope. That generally means your router is sending out an ospf ‘hello!’ packet,
and is getting it back. I.e. bridge loop.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at that
OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
How do I know what order theyre in? Im currently in winbox and thats just
sorted.
So what Im not understanding is why it initially works, but if a switch (or
backhaul) in between drops, it shows the neighbor relationship, but never
populates routes?
Im not questioning the advice, just trying to understand the underlying
mechanics to avoid a similar fate in the future
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That will do it. You want the routing subnet (the /30) to be first on the list.
The other local subnets will get in the way.
I've not had one with that many local subnets, usually just one or sometimes
two. But if you delete and re-add the local subnets, it will put the /30 first,
and you should be good to go.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:30 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
yes there are. Eth3 for example has 36 local subnets that are customer facing
on the network. 2 local /30 for the two remote OSPF routers beyond this
interface, 12 /30 subnets for the backhaul access (each radio will be on a /30
with its connected router interface, this is just in prep, as the sites are
isolated the subnets will move) and one local subnet to act as a gateway for a
catch all DHCP relay
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found that if you have
other non-route type subnets on an interface, that they can mess with the
routed subnets. So you can remove/re-add those subnets that aren't used for
routing, and the routes will populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this on also
have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be coming into play,
though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or Imagestreams, the
mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never updates routes. The remote
routers are acting like a woman, all nice until you dont come home one night
and the next day they make sure you see them, wear little sexy outfits, but
withhold the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all snazzy. I
also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in the mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to
broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt easily
get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration, so this is the
interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have 5 more of them
that were supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just add the
OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type of thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my part, but my
incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid shit on a whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in plain
text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer stick
wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the backbone of
the network since I have all interfaces in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
On 06/05/2015 03:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at that OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing? That looks like you are sending packets that: 1. Shouldn't be sent (speaking OSPF from IPs you shouldn't) OR 2. You have a bridge loop or similar that is allowing packets from other interfaces to come back to this router You can send this offlist if you want, but do: /routing ospf export Post that information and it will be easier to see what's happening. You can mask the key in the output if you want. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
Uhh do you ever use something that doesn't have a massive CPU? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
Post your Youtube videos. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 3:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Uhh do you ever use something that doesn't have a massive CPU? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
yes there are. Eth3 for example has 36 local subnets that are customer
facing on the network. 2 local /30 for the two remote OSPF routers beyond
this interface, 12 /30 subnets for the backhaul access (each radio will be
on a /30 with its connected router interface, this is just in prep, as the
sites are isolated the subnets will move) and one local subnet to act as a
gateway for a catch all DHCP relay
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found that if you
have other non-route type subnets on an interface, that they can mess with
the routed subnets. So you can remove/re-add those subnets that aren't used
for routing, and the routes will populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im seeing this on
also have an old milan switch in front of them, that could be coming into
play, though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates or
Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a neighbor, but never
updates routes. The remote routers are acting like a woman, all nice until
you dont come home one night and the next day they make sure you see them,
wear little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes back up all
snazzy. I also can remove that network from the OSPF networks tab in the
mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type is set to
broadcast, someone told me it should be point to point, but I couldnt
easily get point to point option on the Fortigate OSPF configuration, so
this is the interim that worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have
5 more of them that were supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key, then just
add the OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead interval type of
thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration on my part,
but my incompetence contract specifically states I can do stupid shit on a
whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the network in
plain text? how viewable is this if its type broadcast? like can a customer
stick wireshark on his bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the
backbone of the network since I have all interfaces in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
If you go to the networks list and print, it will show the order. If the
/30 you want to route through is not at the top of the list, then that
will do it.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 1:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
How do I know what order theyre in? Im currently in winbox and thats
just sorted.
So what Im not understanding is why it initially works, but if a
switch (or backhaul) in between drops, it shows the neighbor
relationship, but never populates routes?
Im not questioning the advice, just trying to understand the
underlying mechanics to avoid a similar fate in the future
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That will do it. You want the routing subnet (the /30) to be first
on the list. The other local subnets will get in the way.
I've not had one with that many local subnets, usually just one or
sometimes two. But if you delete and re-add the local subnets, it
will put the /30 first, and you should be good to go.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:30 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
yes there are. Eth3 for example has 36 local subnets that are
customer facing on the network. 2 local /30 for the two remote
OSPF routers beyond this interface, 12 /30 subnets for the
backhaul access (each radio will be on a /30 with its connected
router interface, this is just in prep, as the sites are isolated
the subnets will move) and one local subnet to act as a gateway
for a catch all DHCP relay
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there more than one subnet on your interfaces? I've found
that if you have other non-route type subnets on an
interface, that they can mess with the routed subnets. So you
can remove/re-add those subnets that aren't used for routing,
and the routes will populate the way you need.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
So, I assume its a configuration issue, but the routers Im
seeing this on also have an old milan switch in front of
them, that could be coming into play, though I dont know how.
If I reboot a switch between my mikrotik and my fortigates
or Imagestreams, the mikrotik shows it come back as a
neighbor, but never updates routes. The remote routers are
acting like a woman, all nice until you dont come home one
night and the next day they make sure you see them, wear
little sexy outfits, but withhold the goods.
I can powercycle the remote routers and everythign comes
back up all snazzy. I also can remove that network from the
OSPF networks tab in the mikrotik.
It is configured using /30 between routers. The network type
is set to broadcast, someone told me it should be point to
point, but I couldnt easily get point to point option on the
Fortigate OSPF configuration, so this is the interim that
worked until the network is all mikrotik, we have 5 more of
them that were supposed to be here wednesday.
I configuered the ALL interface with the authentication key,
then just add the OSPF link networks in.
I waited 5 minutes on one just to see if it was a dead
interval type of thing.
I assume the problem here is a very simple misconfiguration
on my part, but my incompetence contract specifically states
I can do stupid shit on a whim.
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the
network in plain text? how viewable is this if its type
broadcast? like can a customer stick wireshark on his
bridged subscriber and see it if theyre not on the backbone
of the network since I have all interfaces in this?
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you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.
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your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.
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team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
I use it fairly often on my Galaxy S4... I guess you could call it acceptable, but it's annoying. But even more annoying is how the keyboard blocks the password field when you're trying to log in with a smart phone... On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: The slowest thing I've used is a Galaxy S3 and it was acceptable. Much slower than on a PC, but acceptable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 3:38:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Uhh do you ever use something that doesn't have a massive CPU? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
Same on my Droid Maxx :( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I use it fairly often on my Galaxy S4... I guess you could call it acceptable, but it's annoying. But even more annoying is how the keyboard blocks the password field when you're trying to log in with a smart phone... On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: The slowest thing I've used is a Galaxy S3 and it was acceptable. Much slower than on a PC, but acceptable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 3:38:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Uhh do you ever use something that doesn't have a massive CPU? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
I am not sure how I know this, either someone shared this with me or it was somewhere in the forums On the CCR's each port has a dedicated core assigned to it Which is a good thing (cause your router will not come does in case of DDOS) and or Bad thing, if you are careless with your configuration e.g. use a bridge config etc. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 2:57:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM PCQ is suppose to use a core per connection, so in theory it should have perfectly spread the load across all 36 cores. Instead most cores were fairly low, one core was constantly pegged. I did forget to mention that 6.7 had a severe port flapping issue, but that was also when connected to my RB600 that had been hit by lightning 3 times. 6.12 on an RB2011 works perfect connected to the same RB600. We have the CCR in the cable plant now, mostly used as a dummy switch, light routing. It will soon handle a heavier load, DNS and ToD. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Interesting.� I knew BGP was single threaded.� Apparently multi-threading BGP was too complex (or something) and they decided to optimize their algorithms instead.� I wasn't aware that anything else was limited to a single thread.� I sure hope that isn't still a thing. We've got one, might have a different amount of RAM, don't remember. Worked okay, but my QoS rules hit one of 36 CPUs pretty hard, the others were idling. � The cable engineer had to have a CCR because it was faster than the Core i7 router I built for them. Turns out the ponytailed computer guy *might* actually know what he's talking about. � As far as routing, switching, etc, they seem to do fine. With the QoS setup I have routing 250Mbps at the time, the CCR couldn't spread the load over multiple cores. When I disabled my QoS rules the CCR routed just fine at an idle. A big part of the reason we went with MT for the edge was the QoS control, so the CCR has now been assigned another job. I think this was around 6.12 or so. Might work better now. A lot of other things work better as of around 6.20. � � � - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K � Thanks, Paul � �
[AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
On 06/05/2015 03:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: How do I know what order theyre in? Im currently in winbox and thats just sorted. So what Im not understanding is why it initially works, but if a switch (or backhaul) in between drops, it shows the neighbor relationship, but never populates routes? Im not questioning the advice, just trying to understand the underlying mechanics to avoid a similar fate in the future CLI will show you: /ip address print When you are having this issue, does the neighbor on both sides show state full? If not, which state is it hanging in? -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply
I use shielded cabling... everywhere. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 1:13:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply In the high-RF environments where you'd need shielded ethernet cable, I expect you'd have a patch panel to terminate the shield, not the wall wort. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: It has no ground for shielding whatsoever. EOL was a good call. Andy Trimmell Systems Engineer Precision Data Solutions, LLC Mooresville, IN 46158 317-831-3000 ext 211 www.pdsconnect.me -Original Message- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart power supply So is anyone else unhappy with Cambium’s decision to EOL the traditional power supply? The replacement part is a Ubiquiti or ePMP brick style. It costs more, does not include the power cord, and requires an additional CAT5 jumper cable. While the current supply has it’s issues (hard to plug into a power strip) it’s simple to troubleshoot over the phone with a customer with limited ways to screw it up. I think this is going to create more ‘miswire’ service calls. Mark
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
OK, I'm not the only one noticing that then. I've been upgrading new radios from V1 to V 2.4.2 on the bench, and V1 does seem a little faster. On 6/5/2015 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think it got worse actually. Feels slower... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
[admin@MikroTik] /routing ospf export # jan/20/1970 04:26:15 by RouterOS 6.19 # software id = IEFS-6614 # /routing ospf instance set [ find default=yes ] redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=as-type-1 redistribute-static=as-type-1 router-id=\ 172.31.255.110 /routing ospf interface add authentication=simple authentication-key=XX network-type=broadcast /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment=1 BMU UPLINK network=172.31.0.48/30 add area=backbone comment=xx2 UPLINK network=172.31.0.60/30 add area=backbone comment=xx3 UPLINK network=172.31.0.52/30 add area=backbone comment=xx4 UPLINK network=172.31.0.64/30 add area=backbone comment=xx5 UPLINK network=172.31.0.72/30 add area=backbone comment=xx6 UPLINK network=172.31.0.68/30 [admin@MikroTik] On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 06/05/2015 03:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at that OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing? That looks like you are sending packets that: 1. Shouldn't be sent (speaking OSPF from IPs you shouldn't) OR 2. You have a bridge loop or similar that is allowing packets from other interfaces to come back to this router You can send this offlist if you want, but do: /routing ospf export Post that information and it will be easier to see what's happening. You can mask the key in the output if you want. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP - 200
Hey Matt, when will a 5ghz version be available? does it have TR-069 compatibility? -sean On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Also, Ken (and others), to save you the extremely arduous and devilishly painful effort of filling out a form *gasp!* to get it... here's the spec sheet. Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Ken - There's some discussion and info on the C3VoIP-200 here: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP-Business/C3VoIP-Gateways-Models/td-p/39723/page/2 There will be a webinar on it on Tuesday, June 9th, also, so you can ask questions live: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/company/webinars Matt -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Model just released has 802.11b/g/n with 2 external antennas, but yes includes VoIP. I don't see a user guide on the Cambium website. I may have to order one and play with it. We currently use Cisco ATAs in bridge mode ahead of the customer router and give them a private IP completely separate from the router. I'm not clear on whether this device will work in a similar manner. Also our managed CPE routers are all Mikrotik and remotely managed via Winbox, I assume this is probably OpenWRT based, we have had nothing but bad experiences with every brand of home routers and I would approach any new device with skepticism. You often don’t know you've deployed a bunch of crap routers for a year or more when they start failing. That said, consolidating the POE, router and ATA functions in one box would simplify the rats nest of wires. And the industry is moving toward ISPs providing a WiFi router, DSL and cable is pretty much all that way. If everything else was good, and the price was right, I guess I wouldn't sweat every customer having a phone jack on their modem even if 95% didn't use it. Could save a future truck roll. Assuming remote management. Depends on how much cost it adds. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart powersupply Mark, I guess you could look at the C3VOIP200 since it includes Canopy/ePMP compatible POE on the WAN port. I so wish they made a version of it with WIFI and without VOIP. Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. 9/10 times, the customer will argue with me that it doesn't run to anything because they can't find it in their mess of wires. Or that it runs to their router (because the Router power cord looks the same size) On 6/5/2015 10:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Interesting. I always found it pretty easy to troubleshoot. On the back of the router find the 3” long flat black cable that goes into a 1” square black box. Is it plugged into the WAN port on the router? Oh - you plugged that flat black cord into the wall jack? Swap the ends - the flat black cord goes in the router. Find the cord plugged into the 1” box and follow that to the wall jack. Is it plugged in securely at both ends? Find the thin wire coming off the 1” block and follow that to the power supply. Is it plugged in and the green light on? No? Plug it in. If the green light is on unplug the power supply and tell me if the light goes out right away. It fades away slowly? Then there is a break in the wire between the power supply and the equipment outside? Oh - your husband wacked that wire with his hedge trimmer? Yeah - that might possibly be the problem. Mark On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: We've been using the Tycon's for quite a while as well. We found it next to impossible to trouble shoot the Cambium power supply with a customer. They could never comprehend what it was, and always tried to plug in a PC to the POE Jumper. The Tycon's are nice, because you can describe the white box, with 2 plugs on one side (AC and LAN), and one plug on the other (poe). Is there a yellow or green light, The Cable from outside plugs into the end with only 1 plug. On 6/5/2015 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I never used it anyway, prefer Tycon POE-24iR-CI. And yes, a patch cord, but those come in various lengths and colors rather than the short little stub which is limiting. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium discontinuing the traditional wall wart
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
This will be down to that, but I needed to get the network isolated, and IPs off of the powercode BMUs. Other than bridging some ports at POPs for the PMP network behind it, there will only be the two subnets per interface. I also had to make a substantial impact for pizzazz value to ensure my funding doesnt get pulled like it did in the middle of trying to go all routed last time. If I had the time and help, I would have started at the farthest sites working my way back, but this is what I came up with. Im all ears though for better ways to do things, with the current restriction of each site getting an rb1100ah2 On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: FWIW, I try really hard to only have one network on an interface running OSPF and make that the primary IP address. One reason is it’s really hard to do otherwise on Cisco, I’m not aware of a way to get Cisco to talk OSPF on a secondary IP (there probably is and I just don’t know how). If I have a micropop or customer router situation where I’m passing a block to a router via an AP, I will make it a static route and redistribute the static route with an ACL, rather than run OSPF over a multipoint network that connects to CPE. And if I genuinely had a multipoint backhaul link, I would probably use a /29 or /28 rather than a bunch of /30’s. Note I say this not because I’m an OSPF expert, but the opposite, so I don’t want to get fancy. *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 4:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops [admin@MikroTik] /routing ospf export # jan/20/1970 04:26:15 by RouterOS 6.19 # software id = IEFS-6614 # /routing ospf instance set [ find default=yes ] redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=as-type-1 redistribute-static=as-type-1 router-id=\ 172.31.255.110 /routing ospf interface add authentication=simple authentication-key=XX network-type=broadcast /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment=1 BMU UPLINK network=172.31.0.48/30 add area=backbone comment=xx2 UPLINK network=172.31.0.60/30 add area=backbone comment=xx3 UPLINK network=172.31.0.52/30 add area=backbone comment=xx4 UPLINK network=172.31.0.64/30 add area=backbone comment=xx5 UPLINK network=172.31.0.72/30 add area=backbone comment=xx6 UPLINK network=172.31.0.68/30 [admin@MikroTik] On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 06/05/2015 03:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at that OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing? That looks like you are sending packets that: 1. Shouldn't be sent (speaking OSPF from IPs you shouldn't) OR 2. You have a bridge loop or similar that is allowing packets from other interfaces to come back to this router You can send this offlist if you want, but do: /routing ospf export Post that information and it will be easier to see what's happening. You can mask the key in the output if you want. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
OK. The simple auth is not encrypted. You need to use MD5 if you want
the auth to encrypt.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 12:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I plan on moving to that when we only have mikrotik. I just went with
simple because it didnt mean any more work on any of the other
depreciating brands
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We use MD5 for authentication.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/5/2015 11:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
On another note, the authentication key is sent out over the
network in plain text? how viewable is this if its type
broadcast? like can a customer stick wireshark on his bridged
subscriber and see it if theyre not on the backbone of the
network since I have all interfaces in this?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Could be that's how it works. Not worth much for the cable company's network then. One port to ATT, one port to the CMTS. That means that two CPU would share the load. Not a good design. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM I am not sure how I know this, either someone shared this with me or it was somewhere in the forums On the CCR's each port has a dedicated core assigned to it Which is a good thing (cause your router will not come does in case of DDOS) and or Bad thing, if you are careless with your configuration e.g. use a bridge config etc. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 2:57:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM PCQ is suppose to use a core per connection, so in theory it should have perfectly spread the load across all 36 cores. Instead most cores were fairly low, one core was constantly pegged. I did forget to mention that 6.7 had a severe port flapping issue, but that was also when connected to my RB600 that had been hit by lightning 3 times. 6.12 on an RB2011 works perfect connected to the same RB600. We have the CCR in the cable plant now, mostly used as a dummy switch, light routing. It will soon handle a heavier load, DNS and ToD. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Interesting.� I knew BGP was single threaded.� Apparently multi-threading BGP was too complex (or something) and they decided to optimize their algorithms instead.� I wasn't aware that anything else was limited to a single thread.� I sure hope that isn't still a thing. We've got one, might have a different amount of RAM, don't remember. Worked okay, but my QoS rules hit one of 36 CPUs pretty hard, the others were idling. � The cable engineer had to have a CCR because it was faster than the Core i7 router I built for them. Turns out the ponytailed computer guy *might* actually know what he's talking about. � As far as routing, switching, etc, they seem to do fine. With the QoS setup I have routing 250Mbps at the time, the CCR couldn't spread the load over multiple cores. When I disabled my QoS rules the CCR routed just fine at an idle. A big part of the reason we went with MT for the edge was the QoS control, so the CCR has now been assigned another job. I think this was around 6.12 or so. Might work better now. A lot of other things work better as of around 6.20. � � � - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. K � Thanks, Paul � �
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
Maybe he just enjoys sitting around waiting for it to load? it really is a lot of fun - especially if you're sitting on a roof... when it's raining. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Uhh do you ever use something that doesn't have a massive CPU? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's honestly not that bad! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 5, 2015 3:36:24 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops
FWIW, I try really hard to only have one network on an interface running OSPF and make that the primary IP address. One reason is it’s really hard to do otherwise on Cisco, I’m not aware of a way to get Cisco to talk OSPF on a secondary IP (there probably is and I just don’t know how). If I have a micropop or customer router situation where I’m passing a block to a router via an AP, I will make it a static route and redistribute the static route with an ACL, rather than run OSPF over a multipoint network that connects to CPE. And if I genuinely had a multipoint backhaul link, I would probably use a /29 or /28 rather than a bunch of /30’s. Note I say this not because I’m an OSPF expert, but the opposite, so I don’t want to get fancy. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 4:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF doesnt repopulate if link drops [admin@MikroTik] /routing ospf export # jan/20/1970 04:26:15 by RouterOS 6.19 # software id = IEFS-6614 # /routing ospf instance set [ find default=yes ] redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=as-type-1 redistribute-static=as-type-1 router-id=\ 172.31.255.110 /routing ospf interface add authentication=simple authentication-key=XX network-type=broadcast /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment=1 BMU UPLINK network=172.31.0.48/30 add area=backbone comment=xx2 UPLINK network=172.31.0.60/30 add area=backbone comment=xx3 UPLINK network=172.31.0.52/30 add area=backbone comment=xx4 UPLINK network=172.31.0.64/30 add area=backbone comment=xx5 UPLINK network=172.31.0.72/30 add area=backbone comment=xx6 UPLINK network=172.31.0.68/30 [admin@MikroTik] On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 06/05/2015 03:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: In the log I see this. I was told unless you know what youre looking at that OSPF logging is confusing. Is this normal to be seeing? That looks like you are sending packets that: 1. Shouldn't be sent (speaking OSPF from IPs you shouldn't) OR 2. You have a bridge loop or similar that is allowing packets from other interfaces to come back to this router You can send this offlist if you want, but do: /routing ospf export Post that information and it will be easier to see what's happening. You can mask the key in the output if you want. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] Looking for free/cheap old 2.4Ghz gear for amateur radio project
I posted this a few months back and got a few too bad we just threw away a bunch of gear answers so I'm trying again as a reminder. I'm thinking of posting this every 3 months if no one considers it annoying. I'm with a group of hams using wifi gear (mostly Ubnt/MT) at 2.3ghz in a project to modernize amateur radio communications. We don't have a big budget so if anyone has ~2.4ghz Vpol 60-120deg sectors, higher-gain antennas or Ubnt/MT/other wifi CPEs available cheap/free, please let me know and we can look at shipping. Or if any one here is a ham and has the free time to start building additional networks (I know that's unlikely) I can answer questions/help.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
No functionality (no ability to log in, etc) as opposed to AirOS7 where you can log in but get a blank grey page. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: What happens if you noScript the page? :D Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/05/2015 04:49 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Yeah... And pretty much painful if it's a BH link that's freaking out and you need to get into the far side to fix something or whatever. I watched a ePMP page load in Chrome Dev tools and it's pretty apparent why: they have a ton of included css js (mostly js) that should be combined and minified. I see 102 different file requests from logging in to the main page, mostly js fragments. It's puzzling. There's leading-edge webdev stuff to save bandwidth e.g. using webfont glyfs instead of image icons and then there's badness like tons of requests for little js here, little js there instead of having it bundled up into one big js that's been minified. It adds up to a few meg just to open the UI which is a bit nuts, besides all the back and forth requesting resources until it's all settled out. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I think it got worse actually. Feels slower... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools
We're using LiquidPlanner: http://www.liquidplanner.com I was using MSProject which IMO was better but LQ has nice mobile apps for time tracking, etc. (we also use JIRA, but for change management, PM) On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: and I don't mean the people. What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my inquiries. Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product. Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine. Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken. They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries), but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered approach. There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was hoping for some qualified leads. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for free/cheap old 2.4Ghz gear for amateur radio project
I think I have a Ubnt 120 2.4 sitting in the office Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 6:32 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this a few months back and got a few too bad we just threw away a bunch of gear answers so I'm trying again as a reminder. I'm thinking of posting this every 3 months if no one considers it annoying. I'm with a group of hams using wifi gear (mostly Ubnt/MT) at 2.3ghz in a project to modernize amateur radio communications. We don't have a big budget so if anyone has ~2.4ghz Vpol 60-120deg sectors, higher-gain antennas or Ubnt/MT/other wifi CPEs available cheap/free, please let me know and we can look at shipping. Or if any one here is a ham and has the free time to start building additional networks (I know that's unlikely) I can answer questions/help.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM
Yuck… that’s not great at all … so what happens if a DOS attack comes into the loopback address then? I’m trying to envision separation between control plane and forwarding plane (or equivalent)…. Also trying to figure out how the various processes in the OS are protected from one another etc From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM I am not sure how I know this, either someone shared this with me or it was somewhere in the forums On the CCR's each port has a dedicated core assigned to it Which is a good thing (cause your router will not come does in case of DDOS) and or Bad thing, if you are careless with your configuration e.g. use a bridge config etc. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 2:57:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM PCQ is suppose to use a core per connection, so in theory it should have perfectly spread the load across all 36 cores. Instead most cores were fairly low, one core was constantly pegged. I did forget to mention that 6.7 had a severe port flapping issue, but that was also when connected to my RB600 that had been hit by lightning 3 times. 6.12 on an RB2011 works perfect connected to the same RB600. We have the CCR in the cable plant now, mostly used as a dummy switch, light routing. It will soon handle a heavier load, DNS and ToD. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Interesting.� I knew BGP was single threaded.� Apparently multi-threading BGP was too complex (or something) and they decided to optimize their algorithms instead.� I wasn't aware that anything else was limited to a single thread.� I sure hope that isn't still a thing. We've got one, might have a different amount of RAM, don't remember. Worked okay, but my QoS rules hit one of 36 CPUs pretty hard, the others were idling. � The cable engineer had to have a CCR because it was faster than the Core i7 router I built for them. Turns out the ponytailed computer guy *might* actually know what he's talking about. � As far as routing, switching, etc, they seem to do fine. With the QoS setup I have routing 250Mbps at the time, the CCR couldn't spread the load over multiple cores. When I disabled my QoS rules the CCR routed just fine at an idle. A big part of the reason we went with MT for the edge was the QoS control, so the CCR has now been assigned another job. I think this was around 6.12 or so. Might work better now. A lot of other things work better as of around 6.20. � � � - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1036-8G-2S+EM Anyone used one of these � any feedback? � I�m getting involved with a wireless expansion project probably at some point and these Routerboard CCR1036-8G-2S+EM were specified in the project plans. � Roughly speaking, 600-800Mb/s of traffic going through them � roughly 2500 PPPOE users terminating on it (BRAS).� This is just an estimate at this point�. � Whether I like it or not, it looks like I�m swimming into Routerboard and Ubiquiti territory �. :| � Thanks, Paul � �
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates
What happens if you noScript the page? :D Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/05/2015 04:49 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Yeah... And pretty much painful if it's a BH link that's freaking out and you need to get into the far side to fix something or whatever. I watched a ePMP page load in Chrome Dev tools and it's pretty apparent why: they have a ton of included css js (mostly js) that should be combined and minified. I see 102 different file requests from logging in to the main page, mostly js fragments. It's puzzling. There's leading-edge webdev stuff to save bandwidth e.g. using webfont glyfs instead of image icons and then there's badness like tons of requests for little js here, little js there instead of having it bundled up into one big js that's been minified. It adds up to a few meg just to open the UI which is a bit nuts, besides all the back and forth requesting resources until it's all settled out. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I think it got worse actually. Feels slower... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet? We've been at 2.4.2 for a Month now. The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.
