[AFMUG] Server plus

[Steve Jones]

I know lents not over, but Jesus (Mexican fella down on the corner who had
some tamales) said it was ok.
This is a real world scenario, powercode specific. An install was scheduled
for a customer and completed, when install tech was adding email to the
account, it flagged existing, he removed it from the existing account and
added it to the new one, we archived the old duplicate account.
It turned out the duplicate account was where the contract was saved.  We
can move the file, no biggee. My personal opinion, based on historical
precedence is this was a customer service ploy to get the comission.
Question is with sever plus, if this is specifically defined, as it
currently is here (no schedule without attached contract and billing info)
can we expect 100 percent reliability?

Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

[Jaime Solorza]

She has aged like a fine wine

On Mar 28, 2017 11:00 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I got a chance to hang out with her brother, Donny, a little bit 40 years
> ago but never got to meet her.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Haiti
>
>
>
> While I would like to imagine that we’all are that important, I will have
> to entertain that thought in my alternate universe where Marie Osmond is
> always begging me to  take her back.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Haiti
>
>
>
> A rule of thumb might be that 'if they aren't on this list then they
> basically don't exist'
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti?  I need to do a “state of
> current competition” study.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

[Rory Conaway]

I got a chance to hang out with her brother, Donny, a little bit 40 years ago 
but never got to meet her.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

While I would like to imagine that we’all are that important, I will have to 
entertain that thought in my alternate universe where Marie Osmond is always 
begging me to  take her back.

From: Jon Langeler
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

A rule of thumb might be that 'if they aren't on this list then they basically 
don't exist'
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti?  I need to do a “state of 
current competition” study.

Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

[Jaime Solorza]

Nice

On Mar 28, 2017 10:29 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> While I would like to imagine that we’all are that important, I will have
> to entertain that thought in my alternate universe where Marie Osmond is
> always begging me to  take her back.
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Haiti
>
> A rule of thumb might be that 'if they aren't on this list then they
> basically don't exist'
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti?  I need to do a “state of
> current competition” study.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

[Chuck McCown]

While I would like to imagine that we’all are that important, I will have to 
entertain that thought in my alternate universe where Marie Osmond is always 
begging me to  take her back.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

A rule of thumb might be that 'if they aren't on this list then they basically 
don't exist'


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti?  I need to do a “state of 
current competition” study.  

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

ePMP is frustrating to say the least.

My favorite story was of a customer who couldn't make ePMP work with a
powerinjector.   We sent replacement equipment and they had a full tower of
spares.

Swapped the entire tower one by one piece.   Still wouldn't work.
Everything looks fine, lights blinking, etc

They took the original equipment back to the shop.  Hooked it up on the
bench, worked perfectly.  Mind you this is exactly the gear on the tower
which didn't work - no configuration changes, etc, other than using patch
cables to make it work.

Then they took that equipment back out to the tower, swapped it back in so
it was identical to the original and amazingly it all works perfectly.  As
far as I know it is still working just fine.

I've had exactly one time on the bench that I couldn't get an ePMP to sync
up.   Could reboot it, swapped cables, etc, still no work.   Grabbed the
cable I use to hook a cable up to the scope  Plug it in, ePMP
immediately starts working.   "Fine, it's something which this cable
changes".  Put the original cable back in place, ePMP *still* receiving
sync fine.  No matter what I try I can't get it to fail again.   So much
for being able to reproduce it.

Just out of curiosity, did any of the Jumpers in the PowerInjector+Sync get
changed?   Is this a gigabit powerinjector?

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> That’s George and Josh,
>
> We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I
> can figure out. Certainly is frustrating. I reached out to Forest to see
> his thoughts as well.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench.
> Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no
> jumper changes.
>
> Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio laying
> face down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and power-cycled.
> CMM sync status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a lat, long and
> height. 2 sats visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes up after 3
> minutes and 15 seconds or so. If the radio comes up with a good on-board
> GPS lock, it will receive CMM sync pretty fast. If I simply reboot the
> radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds after it lets me log in. A power-cycle
> resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but a soft reboot does not.
>
> I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months ago.
> Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing,
> regardless if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the
> sync-over-power pulse is fed into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy,
> this is all done in the FPGA. So I suppose if the on-board GPS locks up,
> then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. I don't really know.
>
> I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.
>
> On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we
> have a failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to
> drop back to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and
> the epmp wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24
> volts went to 29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff.
> No difference.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> 24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5
> GHz.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary
> GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary
> GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in
> order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the
> puck GPS was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned
> on CMM3 and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and
> moved the puck and its receiving GPS now.
>
>
>
> Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
> packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the
> cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no
> problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed
> an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded
> Ethernet to the packetflux 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

That’s George and Josh,

We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I can 
figure out. Certainly is frustrating. I reached out to Forest to see his 
thoughts as well.

 

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench. 
Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no jumper 
changes.

Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio laying face 
down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and power-cycled. CMM sync 
status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a lat, long and height. 2 sats 
visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes up after 3 minutes and 15 seconds or 
so. If the radio comes up with a good on-board GPS lock, it will receive CMM 
sync pretty fast. If I simply reboot the radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds 
after it lets me log in. A power-cycle resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but 
a soft reboot does not.

I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months ago. 
Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing, regardless 
if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the sync-over-power pulse is fed 
into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy, this is all done in the FPGA. So I 
suppose if the on-board GPS locks up, then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. 
I don't really know.

I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.

On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we have a 
failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to drop back 
to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and the epmp 
wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24 volts went to 
29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff. No difference. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5 GHz.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary GPS 
for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary GPS and 
just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in order to 
provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the puck GPS was 
blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3 and 
never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the puck 
and its receiving GPS now. 

 

Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the 
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the cables 
from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no problem on the 
450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed an extra AP off the 
truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded Ethernet to the packetflux and 
still no GPS on CMM3.

 

We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using them out 
of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just fine to 
the450i.

 

 

So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we are all 
just using the puck.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Haiti

[Jon Langeler]

A rule of thumb might be that 'if they aren't on this list then they basically 
don't exist'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti?  I need to do a “state of 
> current competition” study. 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Trey Scarborough]

I'm still waiting for mine ordered it last week. Thinking it won't make 
it here.


On 3/28/2017 5:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Yes with 1

From: Af > on behalf
of Jason McKemie >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:33 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Does it come with the optics?

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:



From: Af > on
behalf of PE R >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


*From:* Josh Reynolds >
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics
and a port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.

For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that
can fit inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT
with your non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P

Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs
per, and a lot lower battery requirements.

I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out
there, to be fair.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on
where you locate the splitters or switches.

On AE you battery back the switch.
On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.

At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
-or-
You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.



*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And
battery backup. Etc.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.
If you had 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it
was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE
like Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective
compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The
cost of  the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where
do you place the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it
Sterling style on new greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it
with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common carrier
with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give
POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power
outage etc.  Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project
for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of
lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper
enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far
yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe
not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[PE R]

From: "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings
If you're referring to the OLT that I am citing?  Yes.
  From: "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
   
Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings. From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the 
unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON   From: Af  on 
behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
 OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, 
or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.


|    Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
 Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.  For gpon you just 
push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit inside someone's pocket 
and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 or so from what I 
remember Calix Pon optic :P Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere 
from 64 to 256 subs per, and a lot lower battery requirements. I think your 
Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be fair. On Mar 
27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you 
locate the splitters or switches.   On AE you battery back the switch.   On 
GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.     At the remote cabinet, you either have a 
cheap switch and SFPs. -or- You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.         
   From: Josh Reynolds  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON    AE requires a lot more electronics and 
optics. And fiber. And battery backup. Etc.    On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck 
McCown"  wrote:
 
Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

 
I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.

FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the 
years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active ethernet.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.

Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
less important to me than having it just work.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

 
With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


 
On Mar 27, 2017, at 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[PE R]

G.8032...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
   
Again: NO
On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

No?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Ethernet_Ring_Protection_ Switching
From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Nope...

|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.

|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:

Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings. From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the 
unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON   From: Af  on 
behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
 OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, 
or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.


|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
 Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. For gpon you just 
push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit inside someone's pocket 
and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 or so from what I 
remember Calix Pon optic :P Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere 
from 64 to 256 subs per, and a lot lower battery requirements. I think your 
Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be fair. On Mar 
27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate 
the splitters or switches. On AE you battery back the switch.  On GPON you 
battery back the OLT/OIM.   At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap 
switch and SFPs.-or-You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.     From: Josh 
Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Small Scale PON AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And 
fiber. And battery backup. Etc. On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.

FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the 
years to come.
Not an area where you 

Re: [AFMUG] is: Small Scale PON

[PE R]

Yes, the OLT does support rings.

  From: Gino Villarini 
 To: "af@afmug.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
   
 No?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching
From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Nope...

|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.

|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:

Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings. From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the 
unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON   From: Af  on 
behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
 OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, 
or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.


|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
 Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. For gpon you just 
push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit inside someone's pocket 
and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 or so from what I 
remember Calix Pon optic :P Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere 
from 64 to 256 subs per, and a lot lower battery requirements. I think your 
Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be fair. On Mar 
27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate 
the splitters or switches. On AE you battery back the switch.  On GPON you 
battery back the OLT/OIM.   At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap 
switch and SFPs.-or-You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.     From: Josh 
Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Small Scale PON AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And 
fiber. And battery backup. Etc. On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.

FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the 
years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go 

Re: [AFMUG] is: Small Scale PON

[PE R]

From: Jason McKemie 
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Does it come with the optics?
Yes, the OLT does come with the optics whether it is 256, 512 or more.  
Speaking specifically of the ZTE OLT.  Cannot speak for other vendors.

  From: Jason McKemie 
 To: "af@afmug.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
   
Does it come with the optics?
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:



From: Af  on behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, 
mix with XGS in the same shelf.


|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 
or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a 
lot lower battery requirements.
I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be 
fair.
On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate 
the splitters or switches. On AE you battery back the switch.  On GPON you 
battery back the OLT/OIM.  At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap 
switch and SFPs.-or-You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.     From: Josh 
Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Small Scale PON AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And 
fiber. And battery backup. Etc. On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.

FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the 
years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active ethernet.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.

Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
less important to me than having it just work.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.



On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[George Skorup]

I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench. 
Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no 
jumper changes.


Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio 
laying face down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and 
power-cycled. CMM sync status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a 
lat, long and height. 2 sats visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes 
up after 3 minutes and 15 seconds or so. If the radio comes up with a 
good on-board GPS lock, it will receive CMM sync pretty fast. If I 
simply reboot the radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds after it lets me 
log in. A power-cycle resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but a soft 
reboot does not.


I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months 
ago. Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing, 
regardless if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the 
sync-over-power pulse is fed into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy, 
this is all done in the FPGA. So I suppose if the on-board GPS locks up, 
then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. I don't really know.


I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.

On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until 
we have a failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will 
want to drop back to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i 
works fine and the epmp wont. Its seems like they should be the same. 
We started on 24 volts went to 29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to 
match the 450i stuff. No difference.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and 
four 5 GHz.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:


Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the 
primary GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as 
the primary GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites 
with Packetflux in order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one 
site we has an AP that the puck GPS was blocked during install and 
would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3 and never were able to get 
GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the puck and its 
receiving GPS now.


Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the 
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the 
cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no 
problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and 
grabbed an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none 
shielded Ethernet to the packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.


We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using 
them out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS 
just fine to the450i.


So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if 
we are all just using the puck.


Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Josh Luthman]

Make sure you're on the later firmware versions.  I think it was a 2.3.x
bug where it would say no sync but it actually was.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we
> have a failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to
> drop back to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and
> the epmp wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24
> volts went to 29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff.
> No difference.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> 24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5
> GHz.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary
> GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary
> GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in
> order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the
> puck GPS was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned
> on CMM3 and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and
> moved the puck and its receiving GPS now.
>
>
>
> Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
> packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the
> cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no
> problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed
> an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded
> Ethernet to the packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.
>
>
>
> We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using
> them out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just
> fine to the450i.
>
>
>
>
>
> So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we
> are all just using the puck.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

[Josh Luthman]

They're just ANT (antenna) files.

Cambium has them for their antennas.  Your best bet is to ask TowerCoverage
to request them from Cambium.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 8:11 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> What do you mean?
>
> They are not in the default list as far as I know.
>
> Does Cambium have TowerCoverage ready files somewhere?
>
> Thanks
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com
>
>
>
> Cambium has all of their stuff for sure.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I am interested as well for the same stuff.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com
>
>
>
> Before we reinvent the wheel.  Does anyone have TowerCoverage .ant antenna
> pattern files (ready to upload) for the following you are willing to share.
>
>
>
> epmp 2000 5GHz sector Model #C050900D021A (with and without beam-forming)
>
>
>
> 450M 5 GHz integrated, beam-forming
>
>
>
> 450i 5 GHz integrated sector Model #C050045A006B
>
>
>
> Also, nice to haves
>
>
>
> MTI: MT-485005/VHN
>
>
>
> e-PmP Force-110 Integrated Model #C058900P072A
>
>
>
> e-PmP Force-180 Integrated Model #C058900P062A
>
>
>
> BTW: We have the Cambium 900 MHz sector file if anyone needs it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[SmarterBroadband]

+1 for Shireen.  They will make anything you want.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

 

Shireen Inc makes some 

 

On Mar 28, 2017 9:50 AM, "Christopher Gray"  > wrote:

Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz with 
the A5c?


 

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

[SmarterBroadband]

What do you mean?

They are not in the default list as far as I know.

Does Cambium have TowerCoverage ready files somewhere?

Thanks

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

 

Cambium has all of their stuff for sure.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Paul McCall  > wrote:

I am interested as well for the same stuff.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

 

Before we reinvent the wheel.  Does anyone have TowerCoverage .ant antenna 
pattern files (ready to upload) for the following you are willing to share.

 

epmp 2000 5GHz sector Model #C050900D021A (with and without beam-forming)

 

450M 5 GHz integrated, beam-forming

 

450i 5 GHz integrated sector Model #C050045A006B

 

Also, nice to haves

 

MTI: MT-485005/VHN

 

e-PmP Force-110 Integrated Model #C058900P072A

 

e-PmP Force-180 Integrated Model #C058900P062A

 

BTW: We have the Cambium 900 MHz sector file if anyone needs it.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

 

[AFMUG] Haiti

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti?  I need to do a “state of 
current competition” study.  

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Jon Langeler]

But for the price among other nice things, who cares. Throw two uplinks to it 
and do the fancy stuff on a core switch/router if desired. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> For clarification:
> 
> Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2, 
> MC-LAG, etc
> 
> I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit...
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> Again: NO
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>> No?
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching
>> 
>> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
>> 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>> 
>> Nope...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gino Villarini
>> 
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
>>> 
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>> 
>>> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:
 Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
  
 From: Gino Villarini
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
  
  
  
 From: Af  on behalf of PE R 
 Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
  
 OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or 
 higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
 
  
 
 Gino Villarini
 
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 
 
 From: Josh Reynolds 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
  
 Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a 
 port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
  
 For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
 inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your 
 non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
  
 Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, 
 and a lot lower battery requirements.
  
 I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, 
 to be fair.
  
 On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you 
 locate the splitters or switches.
  
 On AE you battery back the switch. 
 On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM. 
  
 At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
 -or-
 You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. 
  
  
  
 From: Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
  
 AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery 
 backup. Etc.
  
 On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 
 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
 But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling 
 I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
 
 With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the 
 cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
 So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place 
 the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new 
 greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a 
 regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have 
 to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
 
 Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  
 Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh, I'm thinking of EAPS, which is the Extreme Networks variant that was
out pretty early on. (Another Ring Protection SONET-like protocol)

On Mar 28, 2017 6:54 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I think you are answering No to the wrong question.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

For clarification:

Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2,
MC-LAG, etc

I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit...

On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Again: NO

On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> No?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>
> Nope...
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
>> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>
>> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of PE R <
>>> hillrunner...@yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
>>> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a
>>> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>>>
>>> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can
>>> fit inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your
>>> non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>>>
>>> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per,
>>> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>>>
>>> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there,
>>> to be fair.
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
>>> locate the splitters or switches.
>>>
>>> On AE you battery back the switch.
>>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
>>>
>>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
>>> -or-
>>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery
>>> backup. Etc.
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16
>>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like
>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>>>
>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the
>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you
>>> place the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
>>> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have
>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>>>
>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>>>
>>> -Original 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Chuck McCown]

I think you are answering No to the wrong question.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

For clarification: 

Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2, 
MC-LAG, etc

I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit...

On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Again: NO

  On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

No?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching

From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON


Nope...




  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

  Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it

  From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON


  No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.




Gino Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




  On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:

Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON



From: Af  on behalf of PE R 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or 
higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.




  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 






From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and 
a port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. 

For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can 
fit inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your 
non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P

Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs 
per, and a lot lower battery requirements.

I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out 
there, to be fair.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where 
you locate the splitters or switches.

  On AE you battery back the switch.  
  On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.  

  At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
  -or-
  You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.  



  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

  AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery 
backup. Etc.

  On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you 
had 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like 
Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  
the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you 
place the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new 
greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a 
regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to 
give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. 
 Cannot trust the customer to not 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Josh Reynolds]

For clarification:

Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2,
MC-LAG, etc

I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit...

On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Again: NO

On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> No?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>
> Nope...
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
>> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>
>> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of PE R <
>>> hillrunner...@yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
>>> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a
>>> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>>>
>>> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can
>>> fit inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your
>>> non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>>>
>>> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per,
>>> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>>>
>>> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there,
>>> to be fair.
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
>>> locate the splitters or switches.
>>>
>>> On AE you battery back the switch.
>>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
>>>
>>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
>>> -or-
>>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery
>>> backup. Etc.
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16
>>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like
>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>>>
>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the
>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you
>>> place the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
>>> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have
>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>>>
>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
>>> tackle.
>>>
>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
>>> count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
>>> Less junk at the head 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Josh Reynolds]

Again: NO

On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> No?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>
> Nope...
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
>> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>
>> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of PE R <
>>> hillrunner...@yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
>>> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a
>>> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>>>
>>> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can
>>> fit inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your
>>> non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>>>
>>> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per,
>>> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>>>
>>> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there,
>>> to be fair.
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
>>> locate the splitters or switches.
>>>
>>> On AE you battery back the switch.
>>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
>>>
>>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
>>> -or-
>>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery
>>> backup. Etc.
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16
>>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like
>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>>>
>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the
>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you
>>> place the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
>>> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have
>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>>>
>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
>>> tackle.
>>>
>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
>>> count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
>>> Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
>>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Gino Villarini]

No?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Reynolds >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Nope...




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Reynolds >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM, > wrote:
Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON



From: Af  on behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, 
mix with XGS in the same shelf.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[X]


From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.

For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 
or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P

Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a 
lot lower battery requirements.

I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be 
fair.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate 
the splitters or switches.

On AE you battery back the switch.
On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.

At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
-or-
You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup. 
Etc.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

I would be worried that it 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Josh Reynolds]

Nope...

On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>
> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of PE R <
>> hillrunner...@yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
>> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a
>> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>>
>> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit
>> inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-
>> $800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>>
>> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per,
>> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>>
>> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there,
>> to be fair.
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
>> locate the splitters or switches.
>>
>> On AE you battery back the switch.
>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
>>
>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
>> -or-
>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery
>> backup. Etc.
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16
>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling
>> I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>>
>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the
>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place
>> the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
>> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have
>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>>
>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
>> tackle.
>>
>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
>> count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
>> Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
>> Cheap... you get what you pay for.
>>
>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in
>> the years to come.
>> Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active
>> ethernet.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.
>>

[AFMUG] OT: Spring Break

[Nate Burke]

Economy Must be improving...  Last year, Spring break week, Hit new BW 
Highs for the week.  This year, Spring Break week, Traffic levels are 
noticeably down.  More people must be vacationing this year.

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Gino Villarini]

Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Reynolds >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM, > wrote:
Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON



From: Af  on behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, 
mix with XGS in the same shelf.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:AF622BC68687483AA2227593755BF7F7@MTC.local]


From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.

For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 
or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P

Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a 
lot lower battery requirements.

I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be 
fair.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate 
the splitters or switches.

On AE you battery back the switch.
On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.

At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
-or-
You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup. 
Etc.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.

FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the 
years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active ethernet.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.

Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
less important to me than 

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Gino Villarini]

Yes with 1

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:33 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

Does it come with the optics?




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:


From: Af > on behalf of PE R 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, 
mix with XGS in the same shelf.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]


From: Josh Reynolds >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.

For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 
or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P

Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a 
lot lower battery requirements.

I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be 
fair.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate 
the splitters or switches.

On AE you battery back the switch.
On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.

At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
-or-
You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup. 
Etc.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the cable is 
in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the 
switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield.  
The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common 
carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to give POTS that is 
battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.

FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the 
years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active ethernet.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.

Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
less 

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Rory Conaway]

I usually got there through mpdigital.  I will notify them

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

The site's webserver is compromised/infected with something that is serving 
javascript, redirecting to:

http://goodmacfaster.club/landings/123.14/?affid=mzb_245.3666552.1490734948.28.mzb_source=mxbnt_medium=cpi_campaign=mk_mxbnt_cpi_t1_12314_term=_content==mzb_2790=44=29_3114511156_ext=56754;310306403

Do not install any software from that URL, it is entirely malicious. People 
should not be running online https stores if they can't implement proper 
security, or hire a Linux sysadmin with a clue.



On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM, > 
wrote:
I clicked on the OK but nothing is happening.

From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

USA Coax doesn't like me:


[Inline image 1]

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
https://usacoax.com/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz with 
the A5c?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/28/17 12:16, Paul McCall wrote:

I will report after I try the 60ghz one



I have an older model DVDO 60GHz HDMI thing for a projector. Sometimes 
it gets angry to where the HDMI won't handshake (hooray for copy 
protection) and I have to power cycle them. It's also significantly 
slower to re-sync when resolutions change compared to a cable. Other 
than that it's great. I haven't tried their current model to see of 
those issues have been improved.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we have a 
failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to drop back 
to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and the epmp 
wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24 volts went to 
29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff. No difference. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5 GHz.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary GPS 
for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary GPS and 
just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in order to 
provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the puck GPS was 
blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3 and 
never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the puck 
and its receiving GPS now. 

 

Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the 
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the cables 
from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no problem on the 
450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed an extra AP off the 
truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded Ethernet to the packetflux and 
still no GPS on CMM3.

 

We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using them out 
of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just fine to 
the450i.

 

 

So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we are all 
just using the puck.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The site's webserver is compromised/infected with something that is serving
javascript, redirecting to:

http://goodmacfaster.club/landings/123.14/?affid=mzb_245.3666552.1490734948.28.mzb_source=mxbnt_medium=cpi_campaign=mk_mxbnt_cpi_t1_12314_term=_content==mzb_2790=44=29_3114511156_ext=56754;310306403


Do not install any software from that URL, it is entirely malicious. People
should not be running online https stores if they can't implement proper
security, or hire a Linux sysadmin with a clue.




On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM,  wrote:

> I clicked on the OK but nothing is happening.
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?
>
> USA Coax doesn't like me:
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> https://usacoax.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz
>> with the A5c?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[chuck]

I clicked on the OK but nothing is happening.  

From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

USA Coax doesn't like me:  





On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  https://usacoax.com/



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
  Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?



  Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz with 
the A5c?




  Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Christopher Gray]

USA Coax doesn't like me:


[image: Inline image 1]

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> https://usacoax.com/
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?
>
>
>
> Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz
> with the A5c?
>
>
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Jaime Solorza]

Spoken like a true RF guyPIM upgrades are keeping tower companies
busy

On Mar 28, 2017 2:02 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

If you ever plan on taking them on and off, spend the money for PIM rated.
N connectors tend to throw off spurs when taken on and off. ThePIM rated
are made from a solid block and not plated so they don't shed chips into
the connector.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:45 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> https://usacoax.com/
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?
>
>
>
> Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz
> with the A5c?
>
>
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[George Skorup]

I haven't had too many problems with the regular cheap-o patch cables, 
like the 16" LMR240 cables that Cambium sells. Yes, you can see the 
plating flake off. I usually mate them fairly tight one time, back them 
off, take a can of compressed air and blow everything out, then fully 
hand tighten and seal.


I've had a handful of 450 APs leak now, so I quit doing the heat-shrink 
sealing. Too much of a pain in the ass to tear apart when they leak. 
I've had regular silicone-rubber tape wrapped APs leak too, so it's not 
the shrink not sealing. Two I know of, the radio cover was the culprit. 
Others have been the Gore vent getting blown in or deteriorated, or not 
properly installed in the first place.


On 3/28/2017 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The cheaper ones are actually die cast.  Real crap. Truly machined 
ones are worth the expense.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

If you ever plan on taking them on and off, spend the money for PIM 
rated. N connectors tend to throw off spurs when taken on and off. 
ThePIM rated are made from a solid block and not plated so they don't 
shed chips into the connector.



On Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:45 AM Rory Conaway  
wrote:


https://usacoax.com/

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher
Gray
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on
5 GHz with the A5c?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Josh Reynolds]

No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.

On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM,  wrote:

> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>
>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of PE R  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> --
> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a
> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>
> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit
> inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-
> $800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>
> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per,
> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>
> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there,
> to be fair.
>
> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
> locate the splitters or switches.
>
> On AE you battery back the switch.
> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
>
> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
> -or-
> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery
> backup. Etc.
>
> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16
> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling
> I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>
> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the
> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place
> the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have
> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>
> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
> tackle.
>
> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
> count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
> Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
> Cheap... you get what you pay for.
>
> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in
> the years to come.
> Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active
> ethernet.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.
>
> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
> other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
> less important to me than having it just work.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this.  He says the 

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

[Josh Luthman]

Cambium has all of their stuff for sure.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I am interested as well for the same stuff.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com
>
>
>
> Before we reinvent the wheel.  Does anyone have TowerCoverage .ant antenna
> pattern files (ready to upload) for the following you are willing to share.
>
>
>
> epmp 2000 5GHz sector Model #C050900D021A (with and without beam-forming)
>
>
>
> 450M 5 GHz integrated, beam-forming
>
>
>
> 450i 5 GHz integrated sector Model #C050045A006B
>
>
>
> Also, nice to haves
>
>
>
> MTI: MT-485005/VHN
>
>
>
> e-PmP Force-110 Integrated Model #C058900P072A
>
>
>
> e-PmP Force-180 Integrated Model #C058900P062A
>
>
>
> BTW: We have the Cambium 900 MHz sector file if anyone needs it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[Jason McKemie]

Does it come with the optics?

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of PE R  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or
> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> --
> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a
> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>
> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit
> inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-
> $800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>
> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per,
> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>
> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there,
> to be fair.
>
> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you
> locate the splitters or switches.
>
> On AE you battery back the switch.
> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.
>
> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
> -or-
> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery
> backup. Etc.
>
> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16
> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling
> I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>
> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the
> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place
> the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have
> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>
> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
> tackle.
>
> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
> count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
> Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
> Cheap... you get what you pay for.
>
> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in
> the years to come.
> Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active
> ethernet.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.
>
> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
> other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
> less important to me than having it just work.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this.  He says the optics are coded,
> yes.  As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he said
> in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors
> so whether it works fine, works with bugs, 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Josh Luthman]

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5
GHz.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary
> GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary
> GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in
> order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the
> puck GPS was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned
> on CMM3 and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and
> moved the puck and its receiving GPS now.
>
>
>
> Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
> packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the
> cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no
> problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed
> an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded
> Ethernet to the packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.
>
>
>
> We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using
> them out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just
> fine to the450i.
>
>
>
>
>
> So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we
> are all just using the puck.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON

[chuck]

Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON



From: Af  on behalf of PE R 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, 
mix with XGS in the same shelf.




  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 






From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port 
on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. 

For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 
or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P

Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a 
lot lower battery requirements.

I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be 
fair.

On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you 
locate the splitters or switches.

  On AE you battery back the switch.  
  On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM.  

  At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
  -or-
  You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter.  



  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

  AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup. 
Etc.

  On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 or 
more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling I 
don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.

With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the 
cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place 
the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new 
greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a 
regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have to 
give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.

Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  Cannot 
trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
tackle.

It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


  I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
  Cheap... you get what you pay for.

  FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in 
the years to come.
  Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active 
ethernet.

  -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

  WellI have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
  for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.

  Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
  other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
  less important to me than having it just work.

  -Adam


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jon Langeler" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON


With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.



  On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I asked the Alphion sales rep about this.  He says 

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[chuck]

The cheaper ones are actually die cast.  Real crap.  Truly machined ones are 
worth the expense.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

If you ever plan on taking them on and off, spend the money for PIM rated. N 
connectors tend to throw off spurs when taken on and off. ThePIM rated are made 
from a solid block and not plated so they don't shed chips into the connector. 



On Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:45 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

  https://usacoax.com/



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
  Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?



  Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz with 
the A5c?




  Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Gino Villarini]

+1000

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 2:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Alcapurrias are pretty badass, difficult to find outside of PR though :)

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017, > wrote:



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Yeah, no kidding.  Not at all sure what that pink stuff was inside them.  Did 
not taste like meat.
I try tamales wherever I go.  Most of the time I am disappointed.  But that 
applies to most fooks that my wife has perfected.  I void warranties and 
reverse engineer other peoples stuff all the time, she does this with 
restaurant foods.  When successful we can never go back to that restaurant 
again.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Lol! You are!

Never say no to tostones the same way I never same no to tacos or tamales…

And BTW; for Chuck, Cuban Tamales are another category vs Mexican Tamales… same 
name, not same product!



From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Must be my age.. more picky




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:0E73DB05BFAE4D299B57050D60F30755@MTC.local]

On Mar 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
Jaime,
I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French Fries 
periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!

They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry sauce), 
topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some salt!


From: Af  on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

C'mon Gino,

You got to give Gringo a Pass...
Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)

LOL !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:0E73DB05BFAE4D299B57050D60F30755@MTC.local]


From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>not
>appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Lewis Bergman]

If you ever plan on taking them on and off, spend the money for PIM rated.
N connectors tend to throw off spurs when taken on and off. ThePIM rated
are made from a solid block and not plated so they don't shed chips into
the connector.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:45 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> https://usacoax.com/
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?
>
>
>
> Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz
> with the A5c?
>
>
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Paul McCall]

Solid ceiling, then goes up about a ft. of hard A/C duct before I could angle 
something towards an “outside” interior wall.  would have to cut an access in 
the ceiling to get above the 1ft mark and get my arm and drill from up above it 
laterally,

If it were being sent out to bid, I would “No-Bid” it   $ 150 for the 
electronics, if it solves the problem, works for me.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

But if you get in the ceiling down below, you can drill sizeways to an area 
above with access.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

If my life depended on finding a way, then yeah, I could make a new path 

Ripping up a floor with equipment on it currently to get to my ceiling is not 
my idea of a good time.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

I have used those super long flexible drill bits to place cables in impossible 
locations before.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No chance we can pull it through.  Long story on the construction that has 
taken place after this was put in, but yeah, no chance

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with?

We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450i lite version coming?

[George Skorup]

Yes, I would love to have the new integrated 90's in a Lite package for 
both 3GHz and 5GHz.


On 3/28/2017 1:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Is there a 450i LITE coming out? I noticed Cambium has stopped making 
the old 450 and that really puts a pinch on the micro-pop sites that 
don't have more than 10 users.

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[chuck]

But if you get in the ceiling down below, you can drill sizeways to an area 
above with access.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

If my life depended on finding a way, then yeah, I could make a new path 

 

Ripping up a floor with equipment on it currently to get to my ceiling is not 
my idea of a good time.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

 

I have used those super long flexible drill bits to place cables in impossible 
locations before.  

 

From: Paul McCall 

Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:00 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

 

No chance we can pull it through.  Long story on the construction that has 
taken place after this was put in, but yeah, no chance

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

 

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

 

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

  Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with? 
 

   

  We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

   

  It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

   

  Paul

   

  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

[Paul McCall]

I am interested as well for the same stuff.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

Before we reinvent the wheel.  Does anyone have TowerCoverage .ant antenna 
pattern files (ready to upload) for the following you are willing to share.

epmp 2000 5GHz sector Model #C050900D021A (with and without beam-forming)

450M 5 GHz integrated, beam-forming

450i 5 GHz integrated sector Model #C050045A006B

Also, nice to haves

MTI: MT-485005/VHN

e-PmP Force-110 Integrated Model #C058900P072A

e-PmP Force-180 Integrated Model #C058900P062A

BTW: We have the Cambium 900 MHz sector file if anyone needs it.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Paul McCall]

If my life depended on finding a way, then yeah, I could make a new path 

Ripping up a floor with equipment on it currently to get to my ceiling is not 
my idea of a good time.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

I have used those super long flexible drill bits to place cables in impossible 
locations before.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No chance we can pull it through.  Long story on the construction that has 
taken place after this was put in, but yeah, no chance

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with?

We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Paul McCall]

I will report after I try the 60ghz one

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

I have used those super long flexible drill bits to place cables in impossible 
locations before.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No chance we can pull it through.  Long story on the construction that has 
taken place after this was put in, but yeah, no chance

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with?

We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Paul McCall]

There a couple on Amazon that use 5.8 autoswitching, could work here.  I found 
a 60ghz one for $ 150 there, and I ordered it.  We’ll see

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:37 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

There is one that works on 60Ghz

On Mar 28, 2017 12:29 PM, > wrote:
I think we could all use this.  I use an HDMI-over-two-CAT5 device to pipe it 
around my house.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with?

We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[chuck]

I have used those super long flexible drill bits to place cables in impossible 
locations before.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No chance we can pull it through.  Long story on the construction that has 
taken place after this was put in, but yeah, no chance

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

 

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

 

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

  Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with? 
 

   

  We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

   

  It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

   

  Paul

   

  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

   

   

[AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

[SmarterBroadband]

Before we reinvent the wheel.  Does anyone have TowerCoverage .ant antenna
pattern files (ready to upload) for the following you are willing to share.

 

epmp 2000 5GHz sector Model #C050900D021A (with and without beam-forming)

 

450M 5 GHz integrated, beam-forming

 

450i 5 GHz integrated sector Model #C050045A006B

 

Also, nice to haves

 

MTI: MT-485005/VHN

 

e-PmP Force-110 Integrated Model #C058900P072A

 

e-PmP Force-180 Integrated Model #C058900P062A

 

BTW: We have the Cambium 900 MHz sector file if anyone needs it.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Paul McCall]

No chance we can pull it through.  Long story on the construction that has 
taken place after this was put in, but yeah, no chance

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:
Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with?

We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] 450i lite version coming?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Is there a 450i LITE coming out? I noticed Cambium has stopped making the
old 450 and that really puts a pinch on the micro-pop sites that don't have
more than 10 users.

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Jaime Solorza]

There is one that works on 60Ghz

On Mar 28, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:

> I think we could all use this.  I use an HDMI-over-two-CAT5 device to pipe
> it around my house.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI
>
> No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it
> through?
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
>> Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love
>> with?
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an
>> Optomo.  The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we
>> ran 10 years ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a
>> couple of the “boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New
>> cable with better specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to
>> remove the floor of the unit above us to get to a place where we could
>> replace the existing one, so looking for wireless.
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[chuck]

I think we could all use this.  I use an HDMI-over-two-CAT5 device to pipe it 
around my house.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

  Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with? 
 



  We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a couple of the 
“boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.



  It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).



  Paul



  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Josh Reynolds]

No ability to tape one end of the old cable to the new one and pull it
through?

On Mar 28, 2017 1:18 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love
> with?
>
>
>
> We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an
> Optomo.  The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we
> ran 10 years ago when we built the room, but the new one won’t.  I tried a
> couple of the “boosters” and they don’t work for me.  We ran a long New
> cable with better specs and it works just fine.  It’s a HUGE undertaking to
> remove the floor of the unit above us to get to a place where we could
> replace the existing one, so looking for wireless.
>
>
>
> It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Wireless HDMI

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have a wireless HDMI transmitter receiver that they are in love with?

We have a ceiling mount projector that we replaced recently with an Optomo.  
The old projector that got replaced worked with the HDMI that we ran 10 years 
ago when we built the room, but the new one won't.  I tried a couple of the 
"boosters" and they don't work for me.  We ran a long New cable with better 
specs and it works just fine.  It's a HUGE undertaking to remove the floor of 
the unit above us to get to a place where we could replace the existing one, so 
looking for wireless.

It would be LOS to my desktop PC at about 20 feet away (at the most).

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Jason McKemie]

Alcapurrias are pretty badass, difficult to find outside of PR though :)

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017,  wrote:

> Yeah, no kidding.  Not at all sure what that pink stuff was inside them.
> Did not taste like meat.
> I try tamales wherever I go.  Most of the time I am disappointed.  But
> that applies to most fooks that my wife has perfected.  I void warranties
> and reverse engineer other peoples stuff all the time, she does this with
> restaurant foods.  When successful we can never go back to that restaurant
> again.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> Lol! You are!
>
> Never say no to tostones the same way I never same no to tacos or tamales…
>
> And BTW; for Chuck, Cuban Tamales are another category vs Mexican Tamales…
> same name, not same product!
>
>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> Must be my age.. more picky
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Jaime,
>> I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>
>> That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French
>> Fries periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!
>>>
>>> They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry
>>> sauce), topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some
>>> salt!
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>>
>>> C'mon Gino,
>>>
>>> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
>>> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)
>>>
>>> LOL !
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>>
>>> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???
>>>
>>> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" <
>>> af-boun...@afmug.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>>> >not
>>> >appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>>> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>>> >sauce.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Jaime Solorza]

But my tacos and tamales are yummy

On Mar 28, 2017 11:41 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Lol! You are!
>
> Never say no to tostones the same way I never same no to tacos or tamales…
>
> And BTW; for Chuck, Cuban Tamales are another category vs Mexican Tamales…
> same name, not same product!
>
>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> Must be my age.. more picky
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Jaime,
>> I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>
>> That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French
>> Fries periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!
>>>
>>> They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry
>>> sauce), topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some
>>> salt!
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>>
>>> C'mon Gino,
>>>
>>> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
>>> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)
>>>
>>> LOL !
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>>
>>> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???
>>>
>>> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" <
>>> af-boun...@afmug.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>>> >not
>>> >appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>>> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>>> >sauce.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Rory Conaway]

https://usacoax.com/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz with 
the A5c?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[chuck]

Yeah, no kidding.  Not at all sure what that pink stuff was inside them.  Did 
not taste like meat.  
I try tamales wherever I go.  Most of the time I am disappointed.  But that 
applies to most fooks that my wife has perfected.  I void warranties and 
reverse engineer other peoples stuff all the time, she does this with 
restaurant foods.  When successful we can never go back to that restaurant 
again.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Lol! You are! 

Never say no to tostones the same way I never same no to tacos or tamales… 

And BTW; for Chuck, Cuban Tamales are another category vs Mexican Tamales… same 
name, not same product! 



From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami


Must be my age.. more picky 




  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Mar 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  Jaime, 
  I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French 
Fries periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

  Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food! 

  They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry 
sauce), topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some salt! 


  From: Af  on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami


  C'mon Gino,

  You got to give Gringo a Pass...
  Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)

  LOL !

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



Gino Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




--

From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

>No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>not
>appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The 
plantain
>potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Gino Villarini]

Lol! You are!

Never say no to tostones the same way I never same no to tacos or tamales…

And BTW; for Chuck, Cuban Tamales are another category vs Mexican Tamales… same 
name, not same product!



From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Must be my age.. more picky




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
Jaime,
I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
To: "Animal Farm" >
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French Fries 
periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!

They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry sauce), 
topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some salt!


From: Af > on behalf of 
Faisal Imtiaz >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

C'mon Gino,

You got to give Gringo a Pass...
Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)

LOL !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]


From: "Gino Villarini" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" 




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>not
>appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango to Dragonwave Antenna Adapter

[chuck]

Could be done.  Is the Trango the Remec version?
Do you have lots of time and money?
What frequency?

From: Matt Hopkins 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trango to Dragonwave Antenna Adapter

Does such an animal exist? We have many links of both but very much prefer the 
Dragonwaves. It would be fantastic if we didn't have to replace the Trango 
dishes in order to upgrade.

-- 

Matt Hopkins
  Network Administrator
  503.687.1030
  supp...@onlinenw.com
  onlinenw.com  

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[chuck]

The issue of whether the power supply will blow if shorted still applies.  I 
have never heard of a problem with anything other than Netonix powered gear.


-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Head

Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com ; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

Will it work? 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango to Dragonwave Antenna Adapter

[Bill Prince]

I know that Trango makes an adapter to let you use a Trango radio on a 
Dragonwave slip fit. Not sure of the other way around.



bp


On 3/28/2017 9:50 AM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
Does such an animal exist? We have many links of both but very much 
prefer the Dragonwaves. It would be fantastic if we didn't have to 
replace the Trango dishes in order to upgrade.

--


Matt Hopkins
Network Administrator
503.687.1030
supp...@onlinenw.com
onlinenw.com 

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[Jerry Head]

Thanks Josh and Sean.

On 3/28/2017 10:50 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Yes it works


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:40 AM Jerry Head > wrote:


Will it work?

[AFMUG] Trango to Dragonwave Antenna Adapter

[Matt Hopkins]

Does such an animal exist? We have many links of both but very much 
prefer the Dragonwaves. It would be fantastic if we didn't have to 
replace the Trango dishes in order to upgrade.

--


Matt Hopkins
Network Administrator
503.687.1030
supp...@onlinenw.com
onlinenw.com 

[AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary GPS
for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary GPS and
just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in order to
provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the puck GPS
was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3
and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the
puck and its receiving GPS now. 

 

Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the cables
from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no problem on
the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed an extra AP
off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded Ethernet to the
packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.

 

We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using them
out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just fine
to the450i.

 

 

So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we are
all just using the puck.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

Re: [AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Jaime Solorza]

Shireen Inc makes some

On Mar 28, 2017 9:50 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz
> with the A5c?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

[AFMUG] N-Male Pigtails for 5 GHz / A5c?

[Christopher Gray]

Any recommendations for pre-made high quality pigtails for use on 5 GHz
with the A5c?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[Sean Heskett]

Yes it works


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:40 AM Jerry Head 
wrote:

> Will it work?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Jaime Solorza]

Must be my age.. more picky

On Mar 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Jaime,
> I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French
> Fries periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...
>
> On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!
>>
>> They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry
>> sauce), topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some
>> salt!
>>
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>
>> C'mon Gino,
>>
>> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
>> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)
>>
>> LOL !
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>>
>> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???
>>
>> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" >
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> >No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>> >not
>> >appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>> >sauce.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Jaime, 
I thought your moto was, as long as there is Tecate, everything is good ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:32:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

> That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French Fries
> periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...

> On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote:

>> Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!

>> They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry sauce),
>> topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some salt!

>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

>> C'mon Gino,

>> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
>> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants ! :)

>> LOL !

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> Gino Villarini
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>>> From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

>>> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

>>> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" < af-boun...@afmug.com

>>> Gino Villarini
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>>> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>>> >No me gusta. Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>>> >not
>>> >appear to be meat. At a cuban restaurant in the airport. The plantain
>>> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>>> >sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep.. I agree. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:29:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

> Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!

> They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry sauce),
> topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some salt!

> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz <
> fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

> C'mon Gino,

> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants ! :)

> LOL !

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> Gino Villarini
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>> From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

>> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

>> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" < af-boun...@afmug.com

>> Gino Villarini
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>> >No me gusta. Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>> >not
>> >appear to be meat. At a cuban restaurant in the airport. The plantain
>> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>> >sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Jaime Solorza]

That's an acquired taste...I don't like plantain.. Ketchup is for French
Fries periodI looked up them up and recipes...I pass...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!
>
> They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry
> sauce), topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some
> salt!
>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz <
> fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> C'mon Gino,
>
> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)
>
> LOL !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???
>
> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" 
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> >No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
> >not
> >appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
> >sauce.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Gino Villarini]

Dude, tostones are the epiphany of fried food!

They can go with mojo (garlic,oil and spices), Mayo-Ketchup (aka fry sauce), 
topped with ceviche! Topped with some meat variant or just some salt!


From: Af > on behalf of 
Faisal Imtiaz >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 9:12 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

C'mon Gino,

You got to give Gringo a Pass...
Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)

LOL !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]


From: "Gino Villarini" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" 




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>not
>appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[Josh Luthman]

Can't imagine why not...works with every other 24v and 48v gigE application.


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On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> Will it work?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Jaime Solorza]

Tostones mean fifty cents round here

On Mar 28, 2017 7:12 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> C'mon Gino,
>
> You got to give Gringo a Pass...
> Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants !  :)
>
> LOL !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami
>
> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???
>
> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" 
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> >No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
> >not
> >appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
> >sauce.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[Jerry Head]

Will it work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Faisal Imtiaz]

C'mon Gino, 

You got to give Gringo a Pass... 
Besides he appears to be mesmerized by the Latina's in yoga pants ! :) 

LOL ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:53:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

> Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

> On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown"  Gino Villarini
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> >No me gusta. Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
> >not
> >appear to be meat. At a cuban restaurant in the airport. The plantain
> >potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
> >sauce.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Camo

[Chuck McCown]

Me too.  But if I make too many comments I get the stink eye.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:58 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Camo

I appreciate being married to a wife who is secure enough to actually point out 
these type of specimens as they walk by.   It makes people watching much more 
fun. 



On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  People watching at MIA.  Camo pattern yoga pants on a very nice specimen.  
Eyes were definitely on autopilot and I could not regain manual control...




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  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, that is what they were called.  Not too bad.  Put some salt on them and 
dip them in the vinegar.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Lunch in Miami

Plantain potato pancakes? Are you offending tostones???

On 3/27/17, 2:12 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>No me gusta.  Not really sure what is inside these tamales but it does
>not
>appear to be meat.   At a cuban restaurant in the airport.  The plantain
>potato pancakes are not too bad if you soak them in the vinegar onion
>sauce.