Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik / Mimosa Ethernet Errors

[Jason McKemie]

It was definitely the surge suppressor.  I took the one out of in-line at
the bottom and errors went away.  I had tried to put one up top, but
couldn't get the A5 to even power up with it inline, so there isn't one
present up there anyhow.

Now, how do I determine which version I'm getting? I have a few of the
earlier versions sitting around that it appears are not going to work well
for this application.  Strangely, I have a Ceragon running gigabit through
the same version with no problems at all.

-Jason

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Surge suppressors can certainly cause this.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 9, 2018, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
> >
> > What suppressors?
> >
> >> On 6/9/2018 3:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >> I have a A5C that is giving me grief.  I'm getting hundreds of Rx FCS
> errors on the Mikrotik when I'm running gigabit, if I force it to 100 fdx,
> the Rx FCS errors stop, but Rx Code errors start incrementing instead.
> I've always gotten some amount of Rx FCS errors from Mimosa A5/A5C units,
> but not nearly this many.  It's starting to have an effect on service on
> the sector.
> >>
> >> Any ideas what I should look at?  Some people were claiming that
> putting something like a Netonix in between the Mimosa and the Mikrotik
> solved their issues, but I'm wondering if the surge suppressors are
> creating an issue as well.
> >>
> >> -Jason
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik / Mimosa Ethernet Errors

[Jason McKemie]

They are Chuck's suppressors and I'm pretty sure they are an older revision
as well, so that could be a contributing factor.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 4:14 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Guess I should correct my grammar and say which suppressor(s)?
>
> And follow that up with the assumption that you're using Chuck's
> suppressors? The only one that produced no errors for me is the CAT6-APC
> which is just gas tubes, no diodes. He asked me to test one more thing with
> the Rev G GigE-APC, but I just haven't had the time to get out to a site
> and do it.
>
> I am using some Rev D and E GigE-APCs on Canopy and ePMP at 100Mbps and
> sync pulses present and those work fine. Gigabit is the real pain in the
> ass. Gigabit + Canopy sync is even more of a pain in the ass. I've got old
> Rev A (or B? I don't remember) GigE-APCs and GigE-POE-APCs that work fine
> at gigabit and no sync pulse, mostly AirFibers and some Exalt radios on
> those.
>
> The CAT6-APC is probably what we'll move forward with for everything since
> it'll be the most universal and offer decent protection. Actually probably
> better than decent. I think Chuck said the clamp voltage is around 90-100
> volts. The cheap stuff might die, but it's cheap so who cares.
>
>
> On 6/9/2018 3:58 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> What suppressors?
>>
>> On 6/9/2018 3:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> I have a A5C that is giving me grief.  I'm getting hundreds of Rx FCS
>>> errors on the Mikrotik when I'm running gigabit, if I force it to 100 fdx,
>>> the Rx FCS errors stop, but Rx Code errors start incrementing instead.
>>> I've always gotten some amount of Rx FCS errors from Mimosa A5/A5C units,
>>> but not nearly this many.  It's starting to have an effect on service on
>>> the sector.
>>>
>>> Any ideas what I should look at?  Some people were claiming that putting
>>> something like a Netonix in between the Mimosa and the Mikrotik solved
>>> their issues, but I'm wondering if the surge suppressors are creating an
>>> issue as well.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Mikrotik / Mimosa Ethernet Errors

[Jason McKemie]

I have a A5C that is giving me grief.  I'm getting hundreds of Rx FCS
errors on the Mikrotik when I'm running gigabit, if I force it to 100 fdx,
the Rx FCS errors stop, but Rx Code errors start incrementing instead.
I've always gotten some amount of Rx FCS errors from Mimosa A5/A5C units,
but not nearly this many.  It's starting to have an effect on service on
the sector.

Any ideas what I should look at?  Some people were claiming that putting
something like a Netonix in between the Mimosa and the Mikrotik solved
their issues, but I'm wondering if the surge suppressors are creating an
issue as well.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Test 6/9 @ 11:00 Pacific

[Jason McKemie]

Received here about 1pm central.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 12:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

There are more pros:
Superman
A lot of fun
A bunch of those cons are also pros.

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
> Pros
> Buzz
>
> Cons
> Dick stops working, even the next day
> Ugly women look good to you
> You hit on ugly women
> You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
> Hangovers
> Puke mouth
> Kissing a puke mouth
> Beer goggles
> Beer gut
> Puking
> Cleaning up Puke
> Screwing your buddies wife
> Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
> Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
> Waking up not knowing where you are
> Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
> Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
> Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough
> to be your mother.
> Puking in public venues before thousands of people
> Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can
> see is white.
> Did I mention that your dick stops working...
>
> So I have been told...
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List
>
> i havent been drinking, so its ok
> thats a lie though
> i have been drinking
> and its not ok
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>> mailmanhost.com
>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>
>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Jason McKemie]

Didn't Donny Smith have a hosted offering in this arena?

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:

> I’ll let Sterling learn it and then hopefully he can teach me...
>
> *From:* Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018
>
>
> Sterling,
>
> The QGIS software is well suited for what you want and you
> can spin up an instance of PostgreSQL/PostGIS database for all the data and
> have the mapping interface directly to the database and without too much
> other work the mapping can be web enabled such that the data is accessible
> on other devices. I would be willing to help you set something like this
> up. It’s not too bad to do if someone already have a Google Earth file
> and/or spreadsheet established for their existing information. That can be
> imported and used to start the whole system. Software cost is nil, time is
> your other investment and paying me if you want some help in that regard.
> If you already have someone who is good with relational databases then your
> learning curve is not as steep.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 12:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018
>
>
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
>
>
> What I really want, if it exists, is a full layer system.
>
>
>
> Such that I can enter my GIS info for conduit and conduit capacity and
> used capacity on the physical level, then the fiber type/count in each
> section by geo on top of that, then the splice points/case map and power
> readings on top of that.
>
>
>
> Then the network layer on top of that with all the switch connections and
> capacity, then the layer 3 on top of that with current routing info.
>
>
>
> Too much to ask for, but it would be awesome to say give me the details
> between point A and B and explode the view open to all layers to review
> things at any level.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018
>
>
>
> You can use TowerCoverage.com to map your fiber as well as use our “End
> User Submission” system to match potential users to the fiber mapping.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 2, 2018 6:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018
>
>
>
> We utilize Patch Manager - https://patchmanager.com
>
>
>
> It started as a great way to DCIM – data center racks across many
> locations etc but with their GIS mapping add-on and other features we’re
> looking to utilize it for fiber builds and should work pretty nicely ….
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Brian Webster <
> i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Friday, June 1, 2018 at 10:46 PM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018
>
>
>
> Yes QGIS is a great program and since it is open source you will find a
> lot of support and how to articles. Not as simple as Google Earth Pro but
> it has a lot more power. A real professional GIS platform. The key to its
> flexibility are the plugins you can download. Plan on spending some time
> reading through each of those descriptions to see if there are features you
> want. It certainly has a learning curve as does any mapping program. On the
> higher level you can actually connect to most database platforms so if you
> plan on managing your plant with more than spreadsheets you can keep both
> the mapping and database tied together as one.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, June 01, 2018 5:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018
>
>
>
> QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).
>
>
>
> Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be
> used for it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>
>
> For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is
> that most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML
> format Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a
> multi-segmented line is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML
> file with lat/long coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of
> the line, the color of the line, how many intermediate points are on the
> 

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:

> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
> mailmanhost.com
> Will probably take a few days.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>
> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>

[AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Jason McKemie]

Probably zero.

On Thursday, May 31, 2018,  wrote:

> How many RV travelers are set up for ethernet vs WiFi?
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design
>
> I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
> could be problematic.
>
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
>> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>
>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>>
>>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>>
>>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Chris Starritt
>>>> Western Broadband
>>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>>> 512-257-1077
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Jason McKemie]

I'd do fiber as well, seems like that many long-run cat5/6 connections
could be problematic.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>
>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>> they need to hardwire.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>>
>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>
>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>
>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Chris Starritt
>>> Western Broadband
>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>> 512-257-1077
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, looks like that message took about 24 hours to get to the list.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> It is again taking ~24H to post to the list.  I just saw a post I sent
> yesterday re power over LMR400.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this thing on?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553+%0D%0A+Baltimore,+MD+21202+%0D%0A+(410=gmail=g>
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553+%0D%0A+Baltimore,+MD+21202+%0D%0A+(410=gmail=g>
>
> (410
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553+%0D%0A+Baltimore,+MD+21202+%0D%0A+(410=gmail=g>)
> 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Jason McKemie]

Seeing this on 5/30 @ 12:32pm central time.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Test
>
> From:  on behalf of Sean Heskett <
> af...@zirkel.us>
> Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List , "af@afmug.com" ,
> "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack
>
> FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the
> malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is
> the best fix.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/
> 05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-
> infecting-500k-devices/
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] Test

[Jason McKemie]

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Jason McKemie]

I went the unistrut route and it seemed to work fine. Just used lags since
this chimney was vinyl-siding-covered-wood on the outside.

On Thursday, May 17, 2018, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> We use the wall anchor pins with Unistrut and then just clamp to the
> pipe.  Drill a hole for the pin, tap it down with a washer to expand it and
> they lock solid.
>
>
>
> rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>
>
>
> So long as they dont use pine logs should be ok :)
>
> On 05/15/2018 07:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in
> place.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>
>
>
> Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it
> vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>
>
>
> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what
> all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself
> to that one store, though.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Jason McKemie]

I'm going to go with it is probably not.

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm unclear on whether that's a serious suggestion.
>
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 5/15/2018 10:52:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>
> I'll give that a whirl, thanks everyone. Backup plan will be Chuck's
> PVC/spray foam idea.
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they defiantly
>> can hold a mast with plenty of strength
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>>>
>>> Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount
>>> it vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
>>>>>> what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
>>>>>> myself to that one store, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>>>>>>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>>>>>>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be 
>>>>>>> preferred.
>>>>>>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Jason McKemie]

I'll give that a whirl, thanks everyone. Backup plan will be Chuck's
PVC/spray foam idea.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they defiantly
> can hold a mast with plenty of strength
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in
>> place.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>>
>> Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount
>> it vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
>>>>> what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
>>>>> myself to that one store, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>>>>>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>>>>>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
>>>>>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Jason McKemie]

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it
vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>>>
>>> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
>>> what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
>>> myself to that one store, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>>>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
>>>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>>>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
>>>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Jason McKemie]

It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>
> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what
> all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself
> to that one store, though.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6' section
of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

[Jason McKemie]

What hardware are you using to hang it?

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> I agree, there is no limit on number of spans, but the distance in the
> span could be an issue.  We have been using 12 strand Corning SST Drop
> cable for runs, its cheap and very strong.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads.
>> It is about the same size as flat fiber drop.  You do want to put twists in
>> the span to keep it from dancing in the wind.  I cannot think of a reason
>> for a 3 span limit.  I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way
>> the strength member  distributes the stresses.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 6:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial
>>
>> I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on poles.
>> The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some reason.  Has
>> anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than wedge clamps
>> for this application?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

[Jason McKemie]

I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on poles.
The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some reason.  Has
anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than wedge clamps
for this application?

Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...

[Jason McKemie]

I've been using the same one.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I use this one. It's free.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.
> wifi.analyzer=en_US
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *"Motorola III" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:27:57 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi Analyzers...
>
> The WiFi Analyzer I have been using for at least the last 5 years
> stopped working yesterday. First, it asked for location permission,
> which I denied (WHY does it need to know my location?). Then it refused
> to work. So I granted permission, and now it doesn't work at all.
>
> If you go on the Play Store, there are at least 30 "paid" versions of
> apps called "WiFi Analyzer" or "Analyser" or about 6 variations on that
> theme.
>
> I'm happy to pay for one, but WHICH one? Recommendations? And don't tell
> me you're running "WiFi Analyzer" because they all call themselves that.
> I need to know which developer and/or specific app information.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

Definitely did, just came back earlier today.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Was the list dead for two days, or was that just me?
>
>

[AFMUG] Test

[Jason McKemie]

Is the list just slow or down? Haven't seen anything since last night.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Jason McKemie]

There is a good Stuff You Should Know episode on bath salts.  Most of the
crap you used to hear in the news being attributed to it is bullshit.
Still stupid, just not the same kind of crazy stupid that people think.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
> dissolved in hot water...
> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>
> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>
> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive
> and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>
> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of
> the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).
> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>
>
> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>> fucking bath salts
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave  dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> in it.
>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> demented.
>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> truth to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>> out so well.
>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
>>> fucking meth
>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
>>> late 

[AFMUG] MTC Outdoor 8 Circuit SS

[Jason McKemie]

Chuck -

I like the new design, are you going to have DC SS (power only w/ screw
terminal) modules available for this?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Jason McKemie]

For actually opening up a trench I've got something similar to this:

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200643437_200643437

Works great.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Then there's the manual version:
> T-Handle Trench Shovel
> 
>
> I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the
> way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end up
> with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on it to
> close the slot back up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
> Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Lee" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>
> Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk
> edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.
>
> -Jon
> Off-Grid Networks
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been looking for something better as well and found the one you
>> mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out there too,
>> but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn edgers, which
>> only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far enough, but would
>> like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an inhouse built mini-plow
>> device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 wheeler.   That works pretty
>> good, but is not convenient as we have to pull to the site on a trailer.
>> However, we can plow in 300 ft in about 10 minutes with that.  It has a
>> spool holder and everything. .  The shovel works, but is painfully slow and
>> when the grass is really dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod
>> that was flipped over.
>>
>>
>>
>> For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to the
>> site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use the hand
>> held lawn edger.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher
>> /dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckd
>> uckgo-ffab-20=xm2=2025=165953
>> tiveASIN=B4DTNH
>>
>>
>>
>> A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could
>> always have it with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
>>
>> like this
>>
>> but not 2 grand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>
>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>> the sod.
>>
>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>
>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Lee
> Off-Grid Networks
> c.928.793.2972
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PON OTDR

[Jason McKemie]

I also figured that they would have some PON specific software features
loaded on newer models as well.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> I don't have a specific recommendation, but they do make OTDR that run at
> over 1600nm and can be used on a lit PON fiber.
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 1:16 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Not cognizant of a pon specific OTDR.  Normally you would be shooting a
>> leg of the PON, not actually through the splitter.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PON OTDR
>>
>> Any recommendations for an OTDR for use on a PON?
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] PON OTDR

[Jason McKemie]

Any recommendations for an OTDR for use on a PON?

Re: [AFMUG] Laptop Keyboards

[Jason McKemie]

I'm not sure where you can find one at a store, but Thinkpad keyboards are
great.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm looking for a new laptop and I'm picky about the keyboard.
>
> I'll want decent performance, but my current ASUS laptop drives me nuts
> because if I type too fast it misses key strokes.  Am I limited to shopping
> at a real store where I can play with the keyboard first, or is there a way
> to tell from specs?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPhones and 2/5ghz WIFI

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a couple of iPads that seem to run happily on the 5GHz side of the
xclaim AP I have installed. I have strange, sometimes flakey behavior with
devices on the 2GHz side though - I guess it could be some intermittent
interference. The 2GHz and 5GHz APs have different SSIDs as well, so
renaming one might not be a bad idea.

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm trying to track down an issue at one of my customers.  Some Iphones
> are having a hard time connecting to Xclaim APs.  When I look at the
> connected client list, it shows the IPhones connected to both the 2ghz and
> 5ghz RF on the AP with the same client MAC address, very good signal levels
> on each.  The Mikrotik handing out the DHCP Leases errors out saying
> 'offering DHCP lease without success'  I'm guessing since the same MAC is
> showing up in the AP twice that a bridge table is getting confused.  Is
> this an issue with Iphones?  I would think the phone would be smart enough
> to choose one or the other, not both at the same time.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Jason McKemie]

We have a very large operator around here that basically monopolizes the
band, but has zero CPEs registered. So I refuse to do it as well, not
posting my customer locations for their consumption when they will not do
the same, especially when theirs probably outnumber mine 30-1. I'm not
really a fan of this band due to interference, but thanks to Baicells I
have actually gotten it to be usable for the first time since I've had the
license - which is about as long as anyone.

On Monday, April 2, 2018, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Because it's currently illegal to operate a 3.65ghz radio without a
> license... but it's also against the rules to operate a radio that's not
> registered, and most people don't seem care too much about that, so I'm not
> really sure why they bother with the license.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 8:40 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
>> So what was the purpose of purchasing licenses today?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 2:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up,
>> you had to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here
>> is a list of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.
>> https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-
>> Default-View/dpvg-tvcx
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>>
>>
>> Director of WISP Markets
>>
>>
>>
>> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>>
>> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>>
>>
>>
>> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>>
>> www.facebook.com/baicells
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>>
>>
>> Director of WISP Markets
>>
>>
>>
>> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>>
>> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>>
>>
>>
>> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>>
>> www.facebook.com/baicells
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>>
>>
>>
>> If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on
>> 20mhz channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to
>> work with if you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that
>> 10mhz channels probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of
>> us.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>> 50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area.
>> Because customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
>> channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that
>> including reuse with gps?
>> Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just
>> another band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.
>>
>> Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
>>
>> On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber
>> location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several
>> hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into
>> registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to make
>> their registration page respond faster.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, I have had coordination conversations with another
>> registrant.  It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We
>> were not able to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available
>> 50mhz, so basically we kept doing our own thing and resolving interference
>> cases individually as they came up.  It sounds like some of you have bad
>> neighbors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>>
>> To: "af" 
>>
>> Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration
>>
>>
>>
>> From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the
>> entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database
>> to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option
>> in the current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to
>> change channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then
>> there are also the people that never bother to register anything, or
>> register a few radios and then give up because it's too much work...
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have
>> AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any
>> customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to
>> be under the Impression that 

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Jason McKemie]

I fail to see how this is going to protect the user from their evil spying
ISP in any meaningful way.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protec
> t-your-privacy-1824256587
>
> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I don't see a compelling reason to get it through Amazon besides
integration if you use Prime video a lot.

On Sunday, April 1, 2018, Darin Steffl  wrote:

> You can get hbo direct for $10 monthly.
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:30 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Can get hbo via Amazon
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
>>> And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.
>>>
>>> I think it may be the best value.
>>>
>>> This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.
>>> However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
>>> alternative to adding HBO.
>>>
>>> Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly
>>> after launch, but so far not happening.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

[Jason McKemie]

Ah yes, service as a verb. Reminds me of a scene from Silicon Valley...

On Friday, March 30, 2018, Eric Markow  wrote:

> Does anyone here service south Austin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Jason McKemie]

Flat drop termination for $15?  That could be useful, any part numbers?

I'd probably just run it through the wall and mount the ONT to a floor
joist when possible.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:14 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about $15
> So no $45 jumper.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
> I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut
> and mangled etc.
> I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is
> similar to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble.
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
> Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from
> outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers.
> Expensive.  $45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve
> more labor.
>
> ----------
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
> Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the
> building, then cat5 inside.
>
> Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the
> outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and
> probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the
> splice closure through the exterior wall.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jason
>

[AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Jason McKemie]

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the
building, then cat5 inside.

Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the
outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and
probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the
splice closure through the exterior wall.

Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT Test uno dos tres it is Lent

[Jason McKemie]

So apparently this thing is steam powered?

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> On a totally different subject, did y’all catch rocket man and his Evel
> Knieval missile?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UAHORcbvvQ
>
> The earth is indeed flat.  You heard it here first folks.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 10:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Test uno dos tres
>
> This is merca, we count in mercan round here, not none of those weird
> south of the border numers. Cant trust no countin that starts with the name
> of a kids card game. My uncle daddy once told me, son, you aint never gonna
> amount to s@$t, but that dont mean you cant speak mercan in merca.
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> cuatro, cinco, seis
>>
>> 2018-03-24 10:46 PST
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/24/2018 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Test
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2018 8:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I posted something a while ago
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Linksys

[Jason McKemie]

Granted, that's setting a pretty low bar though.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Back in the day it was much better than Belkin.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Linksys
>
> I never really thought of Linksys as being a good thing.
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2018, <ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>
>> Cisco bought linksys. Screwed up a good thing. Belden bought linksys all
>> hell broke loose, making some of the worse products out there. I guess it
>> could only get better.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Cisco sold off Linksys to Belkin a few years back. Dunno bout wemo.
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> “Foxconn buys Belkin, Linksys, and Wemo”
>> >>
>> >> I thought Cisco bought Linksys years ago?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Linksys

[Jason McKemie]

I never really thought of Linksys as being a good thing.

On Monday, March 26, 2018,  wrote:

> Cisco bought linksys. Screwed up a good thing. Belden bought linksys all
> hell broke loose, making some of the worse products out there. I guess it
> could only get better.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> >
> > Cisco sold off Linksys to Belkin a few years back. Dunno bout wemo.
> >
> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >> “Foxconn buys Belkin, Linksys, and Wemo”
> >>
> >> I thought Cisco bought Linksys years ago?
>

Re: [AFMUG] More important things

[Jason McKemie]

I've started watching The Looming Tower, very good so far.  Excited about
the new season of Silicon Valley, although I liked Erlich, going to miss
that character.  Too many of these shows to watch and not enough time.
Still need to get caught up on Mr Robot, The Expanse, and new seasons
coming out of Handmaid's Tale, Westworld, and I believe Man in the High
Castle - among others.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:08 PM,  wrote:

> So tonight is big for TV.
> Billions
> Barry
> Silicon Valley
>
> Any others?
> Of course Homeland.
> And if like Homeland, you will probably also like The Looming Towers.
>
> I read the book years ago.  Book was dry and academic.  The TV show is
> pretty good.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jason McKemie]

My experience with LTE has been much better than WiMAX.

On Sunday, March 25, 2018, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> I cant understand why Cambium opens up another additional platform. Why
> not develop 450 line further implementing some physical layer goodies of
> LTE. I've seen this step with Wimax/PMP320 and all know where this ended up.
>
> Once they implemented LTE stuff it is outdated as 5G is moving in.
>
>
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: Af  Im Auftrag von Matt Hoppes
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2018 20:37
> > An: af@afmug.com
> > Betreff: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
> >
> > What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Jason McKemie]

It's been very spotty the past week or so. Paul thought it might be under
attack from overseas and was working on it last I heard.

On Saturday, March 24, 2018, George Skorup  wrote:

> Did the list dieded or is it just me?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jason McKemie]

Sounds like they're going to be 2.5 at launch, and 3.5 might be a while.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?
>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[Jason McKemie]

I'd say that is a pretty hefty lag.

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test test

[Jason McKemie]

I haven't seen much lately either, is this thing on?

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:41 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> This list is eating messages.  I responded to this earlier and didn't get
> it yet.
>
>
>
> On 3/16/2018 3:35 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> Is this thing on? Messages seem to be being delayed by days.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Jason McKemie]

I use a fair amount of FS optics, cable assemblies, etc. I'm not sure I'd
trust their OSP products though.

On Sunday, March 11, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, you definitely CAN'T be on a schedule with Amtrak.

On Friday, March 9, 2018, Robert  wrote:

> Yep, taking a train is about being relaxed not about being on a schedule...
>
> On 3/9/18 1:50 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett  dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> lol train neutrality
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" > >>
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak
>>
>> I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off
>>> of freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably
>>> gets priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
>>> "freight train interference"?
>>>
>>> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads
>>> over realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't
>>> care if it took an extra hour. Just sayin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Jason McKemie]

I like this, may be overkill for many residential installations though.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Inside
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 10:05 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> This is what we do...cleaner and easy to replace cabling ...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 9:58 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under antenna feet.
>>> Mastic under vinyl tape is also very reliable.
>>> Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal for wall
>>> penetrations.  But can you chew it?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>>>
>>> Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put
>>> anything else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots houses.
>>> Use mastic, stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I
>>> hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
>>> If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the only
>>> way to go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, not that
>>> garbage Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either
>>>
>>> If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount rocking
>>> mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or
>>> pull out and let the water leak in
>>>
>>> http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs,
>>> have this in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres to
>>> the shingles wet or cold
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>
 How do you seal penetrations?


 On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 caulk, the devils chowder

 On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> silicone grease or caulk?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>
> yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j
> arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and
> it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters,
> cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. 
> And
> there is silicone on my F&@ network again, I banned that stuff
> years ago
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Are those the Force 200 ?
>>>
>>> I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
>>> We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending
>>> them out on their own adventures :)
>>> I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
>>> something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've 
>>> taken
>>> to just do it right?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across


 the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took
 the mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jason McKemie]

They're saying that as-is (with a 600+ mile range), the Roadster will be
around 4000lbs, compared to the GT's 3300 and the Z06's 3500. It's not too
hard to imagine a lower-range unit that is considerably lighter (the
batteries alone are supposed to be close to 1800lbs). Point taken on the
road car vs a track car, but that applies to all of these to some extent.
And yes, the price is pretty absurd, the Z06 is much more reasonable.

 If Tesla had a 300 mile range version that was track-tuned it would be
really hard to compete with I would think.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> 0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about
> can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.
> And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car
> designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going
> to drive like crap on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to
> drive like crap on a road track.  If you want a car that can do all 3,
> that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla roadster is built for the street first,
> road race cars will beat it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼
> mile when prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s.
>
>
>
> But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got
> hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going
> to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of
> less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
> This is more my style :)
> http://bollingermotors.com
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jason McKemie]

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going to
blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of less
than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
>> his businesses
>>
>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>
>>> This is more my style :)
>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>>> com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt - fiber

[Jason McKemie]

Ah, thanks. That is unfortunate.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:

> 5. What third-party ONUs can I connect to the UFiber OLT?
> The UFiber ONUs are the only supported ONU that is compatible with the
> UFiber OLT. Other third-party ONUs will not connect properly to the UFiber
> OLT.
> https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/36301287-UFiber-GPON-FAQ
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
> com> wrote:
>
> But does Ubiquiti's OLT support other manufacturer's ONTs?
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:
>
>> They announced it two wispapalooza shows ago I think..  started shipping
>> a year ago or so?
>>
>> They support a bunch of different OLTs:
>>
>> https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009335068-UFiber-
>> GPON-Supported-Third-Party-OLTs
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 7:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When did they add like an entire product line?  Is any of it standards /
>> complaint / compatible with anything else?
>>
>> I don't hear anyone talking about this stuff..
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt - fiber

[Jason McKemie]

But does Ubiquiti's OLT support other manufacturer's ONTs?

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> They announced it two wispapalooza shows ago I think..  started shipping a
> year ago or so?
>
> They support a bunch of different OLTs:
>
> https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009335068-
> UFiber-GPON-Supported-Third-Party-OLTs
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 7:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> When did they add like an entire product line?  Is any of it standards /
> complaint / compatible with anything else?
>
> I don't hear anyone talking about this stuff..
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jason McKemie]

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] From AnimalFarm - Cambium LTE

[Jason McKemie]

I wish they did this in the US, but with the regulatory establishment being
bought and paid for by the owners of the licenses it will likely never
happen.

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> 2.5 GHz band LTE is kind of promising for rural Canada. It is possible to
> get a 2.5 license in remote areas where there are no pre-existing operators
> (cellular carriers are generally in the 800, 1800, 1900 MHz bands) without
> an excessive number of hoops to jump through. Some of the PtMP last mile in
> the high arctic communities is done with a very old Motorola 2.5 band
> system.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> cnRanger
>>
>> They expect to have better interference mitigation than existing LTE
>> products.
>> Should be have better range and coverage than PMP.
>>
>> Multiple remote radio heads with one base base band unit.
>> Showing 2.5 3.5 and 5 GHz on the slide.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 7:45 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] From AnimalFarm - Cambium LTE
>>
>> Cambium is announcing LTE.   At least this was news to me.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] XRP

[Jason McKemie]

What broker do you use to buy Ripple as of now?

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi...
>
> The Ripple coin is down to $.917 per coin... and rumors are that Coinbase
> may start trading it soon. If that happens, the value will go WAY up.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber cost per home directional and pole attach

[Jason McKemie]

There are a lot of factors that go into both the aerial and underground
costs. Entirely depends on the terrain, density of housing, city vs
country, pole make ready work, etc etc.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I'm looking at venturing into fiber, I've done enough research and bugged
> most of you on the list that I think I have enough knowledge to get going
> (and be dangerous).
>
> I'm looking at two options for our area,
>
> 1. Service newer subdivisions of houses that are currently served by cable
> and dsl with speeds up to 1G in certain areas, average is about 50mbps,
> this would be an all directional drill job underground.
>
> What is a good cost per ft, or cost per house passed for drilling, conduit
> and fiber?
>
> 2. Service the older side of town that has mostly overhead utilities by
> signing an attachment agreement with the local power company, much lower
> deployment cost and generally a more 'under served' area but also a lower
> income area, using almost 100% pole attachments.
>
> What is a good cost per ft or house passed (these are all small
> 1000-2000ft2 homes with small parcels) for cable, and pole attachment
> fee's, lashing, etc?
>
> I'm looking at PON but may go AE depending on some factors
>
> Anyone bored enough to throw some advice my way?
>
> Thank you!
>
> TJ Trout
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not
sure it does though.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:

> On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a
>> bit.
>>
>
>
> The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim.
> Totally unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab
> and hope someone big would buy it.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a
bit.

On Friday, March 2, 2018, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:

> On 3/2/18 6:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for
>> their 5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the
>> area I currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly
>> changed their business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the laws
>> of physics...
>>
>
>
> They're just blanket killing them all.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for their
5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the area I
currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly changed their
business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the laws of physics...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:

> Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon
>
> On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>>
>>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Jason McKemie]

They're discontinuing the Google Drive application, the service still
functions the same as far as I can tell.  I'm using the Backup and Sync
application now, and really can't tell much difference.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> We were notified by Google that drive would be disabled in some way but I
> can't remember how.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018, 5:13 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only
>> go on the C: drive and you can't change it.  So if you have a small C
>> drive, or are almost out of space, you're SOL.
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2018 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google)
>> are the same.
>>
>> Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream
>>
>> I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file
>> stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
>>
>> If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am
>> trying to undo this.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Jason McKemie]

http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Andreas for the pic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...


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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a bottle of Bourbon County Stout sitting right here, 14.7% :)

If you just want to get drunk, some Natty Rush would probably do the job as
well...


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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> If you can find it, Blacorn Unidragon by Clown Shoes brewery is pretty
> high... 12-13% if I remember right. And it's a might-tasty too. A couple
> bombers of that and he'll be good an primed.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Steve strikes me as more of a Four Loko type of guy.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/1/2018 3:04:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>
>> Make sure you drink some really good craft beer with higher % before you
>> make the call, lol
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do it! do it!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 did somebody say have some drinks and shoot off an email? Im hearing
 "have some drinks and shoot of an email"

 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

> I did ... [image: Winking smile]
>
> *From:* Keefe John
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>
> I wonder how many people emailed or called this guy now. He probably
> woke up to an inbox of hate mail.
> Keefe
>
> On March 1, 2018 9:59:21 AM CST, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Part-15 has no first come first claim basis for rights to any
>> unlicensed frequency. Is their lawyer that dumb?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Chuck McCown 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you
>>> ought to forward this to him.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>> I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could
>>> enforce something like this about 15 years ago.
>>> He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.
>>>
>>> Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get
>>> ahead of this quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that 
>>> thinks
>>> they are going to make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I 
>>> know
>>> in Arizona got these today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

[Jason McKemie]

Geek squad figure that out with settings? I think you're giving them too
much credit...

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, Robert  wrote:

> I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he should be
> paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let you do a test to
> see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE.   If it turns out that
> it is fixable via settings in the VPN software, then the customer should
> tell the Geek squad that they should not charge and it's not your problem.
> Geek squad should have figured it out with settings.   Then if it's not
> that pay for Geek squad.   You get to learn something for your expense.
>  But be sure and specify that this is a one time deal...
>
> Robert
>
> On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
>> Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.
>>
>> or
>>
>> Was it never working.
>>
>> If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be
>> super happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that fast
>> to work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart > > wrote:
>>
>> Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d
>> suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth…
>> 
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From: *Af > on
>> behalf of >
>> *Reply-To: *>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM
>>
>>
>> *To: *>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
>> reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 
>>
>> If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
>> compulsion.
>>
>> But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that
>> is a different kettle of kittens. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:*Donnie McCorkle 
>>
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com  
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>>
>> 
>>
>> Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
>> router behind the PPPoE connection.
>>
>> The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm >
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to
>> open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
>> platform access to finally give manager remote access and monitoring
>> to camp cameras. 
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > > wrote:
>>
>> I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from
>> quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN
>> work. 
>>
>> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on
>> the Smart RG.  No good.
>>
>> 
>>
>> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of
>> service and they pointed their finger at us. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to
>> DHCP and it started working.
>>
>> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>>
>> 
>>
>> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the
>> geek squad. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it
>> started working or what the problem was. 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Spam> 09Vg2I6gq=12edce15c58f=atcjet-net=20180227>
>> Phish/Fraud> p=09Vg2I6gq=12edce15c58f=atcjet-net=20180227>
>> Not
>> spam> 

Re: [AFMUG] Leatherman

[Jason McKemie]

It's not a Gerber or a Leatherman (although I've had both of those), but
I've had a couple Kershaw combo edge knives and have nothing but good
things to say about them other than I lose them when I'm drunk.  The speed
safe feature is awesome.


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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Ive seen alot of variants, closest in quality was my buddies gerber.
> I never was satisfied with a pocket knife, then again i never had the
> skill my dad has with his old timer as a multitool.
> I think most people whos old man carried a single pocket knife only used
> it one time and didnt give it back for his pocket. Usually a pretty painful
> lesson to learn.
>
> On Feb 22, 2018 9:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I have an Old Timer that is about 24 years old and I got it used...I
>> appreciate quality toolsI have lost every Leatherman within months of
>> buying one...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2018 8:48 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I just finally retired my supertool 300, its been healthily beaten. This
>>> harsh sexy beast sacrifices many bits of iyself. So i picked up a wingman
>>> because a little bit less weight and i miss scissors from my first one.
>>> Plus its got a belt clip, the pouch on the supertool was worn and broken
>>> for over a year before i gave in and relegated to tool to my pocket to live
>>> with my tool.
>>> So i was looking at the warranty on the wingman, turns out thes bad
>>> mothers sport a 25 year warranty... 25 years.
>>>
>>> Its like getting a do over with my best friend knowing the supertool may
>>> get another ride on the pony. When it gets home i may have a party for it.
>>> This thing has installed and repaired a measurable percentage of the
>>> network. If i had tear ducts instead of hate valves, id do that wet eye
>>> shit that sallys do.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Jason McKemie]

Yup, I've been using Gmail/Google Apps for years and it has worked great.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> God bless gmail.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> "I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for
> tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that
> I sent her?"
>
> "3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I
> can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"
>
> "I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"
>
> None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time,
> even to tell them "No, go away"
>
> On 2/21/2018 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up
> correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required settings.
>
> It really isn't that complicated.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to
> customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our
> in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the
> amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would
> never even consider going back to providing email, and we are considering
> cancelling these ten.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of
> servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go
> down and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily
> basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the
> scale increases.   We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF
> and DMARK if you are so inclined to do so.  Remote administration and
> simple migration.  All of our pricing is here .
> 
> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in
> case someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103
> <%28314%29%20735-0270> – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they
> would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i
> required $20 a month paid annually.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate
> and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5
> bucks a box per month with 

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Jason McKemie]

Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> There is always this:
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-
> catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>
> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
> 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>>
>> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>>
>> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>>
>> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
>> radios at around 10W peak each.
>>
>> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>>
>> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Jason McKemie]

And it has a SFP port!

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bingo!
>
> You can use the 2.4GHz for management, for hotspot, for something like
> "cablewifi" like the cable guys do.  You can even use it to broadcast an
> ssid that says "Gigabit Internet Call 555-1212"
>
> If you are deploying it in a city, use it to entice the city to give you
> access to vertical assets - you'll give city wide free WiFi in return on
> 2.4GHz.
>
> Lot's of possibilities there...
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:25 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three
>> 60ghz radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't
>> imagine actually using that.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a
>>> dual freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you
>>> put up the 60 GHz and hope for the best?
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>
>>> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector
>>>
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>
>>> What's the beamwidth on this?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Jason McKemie]

Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
>
> 1 360°  at 5 GHz
>
> 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> What's the beamwidth on this?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Jason McKemie]

What's the beamwidth on this?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks, and yes, it would be grey market since I'm not willing to pay
nearly double for the supported version.  Point taken on the Ubiquiti
support though, I just figured crap support is better than no support.

Going back to the distributed tap design, how does an OTDR behave with this
kind of setup?  Do you need some special software or do you just have to
read it differently?

Where are you sourcing your FBT splitters?


On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever
> dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless.
>
> Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's a
> nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in
> Romania. The CLI is pretty clunky but you can do it that way too.
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2018 10:07 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
> com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the information.  Others were saying the ZTE units are
>> basically without any support, so I thought that might be a potential
>> benefit to the Ubiquiti gear.  What do you use to manage the ZTE gear?  Is
>> it just CLI?
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE
>>> powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5
>>> runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH,
>>> with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying
>>> the Nano would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to
>>> -10C... this told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it
>>> would work using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not
>>> confidence building.
>>>
>>> So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less
>>> than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully
>>> load the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in
>>> the ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled
>>> with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a
>>> horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was
>>> worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max
>>>>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter
>>>>> that needs to be set.
>>>>>
>>>>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is
>>>>> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 
>>>>> rx
>>>>> sens.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's also a compelling point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a simple question for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company
>>>>>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what
>>>>>> THEY will prefer.  They'll probably prefer PON.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably
>>>>>> have a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar.  I try to bear that 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> mind too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON w

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks for the information.  Others were saying the ZTE units are basically
without any support, so I thought that might be a potential benefit to the
Ubiquiti gear.  What do you use to manage the ZTE gear?  Is it just CLI?

-Jason

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE
> powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5
> runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH,
> with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying
> the Nano would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to
> -10C... this told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it
> would work using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not
> confidence building.
>
> So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less
> than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully
> load the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in
> the ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled
> with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a
> horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was
> worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti?
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max
>>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter
>>> that needs to be set.
>>>
>>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is
>>> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx
>>> sens.
>>>
>>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance.
>>>
>>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's also a compelling point.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a simple question for sure.
>>>>
>>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company
>>>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what
>>>> THEY will prefer.  They'll probably prefer PON.
>>>>
>>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have
>>>> a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar.  I try to bear that in mind
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe
>>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor
>>>> cabinets.
>>>>
>>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per
>>>> customer.
>>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself
>>>> to do PON.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark*
>>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
>>>> *To:* Adam Moffett
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> Adam,
>>>>
>>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

>>
>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm looking
>> at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run the line
>> down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times and then
>> I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so houses
>> per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
>>
>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't
>> seeming to work out for me.
>>
>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to
>> PON some day if I want to.
>>
>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15
>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE
>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that
>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>
>>
>> A few reasons...
>>
>> Port cost is still fairly high.
>>
>> More splicing.
>>
>> More fiber required.
>>
>> Larger chassis required.
>>
>> More power required.
>>
>> More battery backup required.
>>
>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON capacity
>> in most places.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?
>>
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>
>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with
>> Zhone is different.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN
>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember
>> which.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>
>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere
>> near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>
>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>>
>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

 on the pole I can split 5-6 times
>>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so
>>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
>>>>
>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't
>>>> seeming to work out for me.
>>>>
>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to
>>>> PON some day if I want to.
>>>>
>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15
>>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE
>>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that
>>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few reasons...
>>>>
>>>> Port cost is still fairly high.
>>>>
>>>> More splicing.
>>>>
>>>> More fiber required.
>>>>
>>>> Larger chassis required.
>>>>
>>>> More power required.
>>>>
>>>> More battery backup required.
>>>>
>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON
>>>> capacity in most places.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with
>>>> Zhone is different.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN
>>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember
>>>> which.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be
>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>>>>
>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

ly pass typical GPON
> wavelengths, but we custom ordered full bandwidth ones for future 10G PON
> techs.
>
> Then the output of that FBT can go right to a drop or to a second "normal"
> PLC splitter to serve multiple drops.
>
> We did about 12 miles with this method this year, maybe 80 or so handhole
> with this splitter method, end of the run is about 10 miles from the
> cabinet.
>
> On Feb 14, 2018 8:26 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yup that's a thing.  That was actually my plan "A", except where he's got
> 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10.
>
> I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't
> remember the name of can be uneven.
> In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler", and
> the thing everybody is calling a coupler is a "mating sleeve".
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/14/2018 7:24:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
>
> Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I
> misunderstanding you?
>
> On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with
> Ubiquiti's offering...
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that
> splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and
> 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be
> tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything.  The benefit is I
> can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline
> and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been
> considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise,
> seems like a nightmare.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan
> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate.
> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went
> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router
> that solves the problem.
>
> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway
> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC
> wifi and voip.
>
> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot
> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of several
> other operators using the same setup now too.
>
> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality made
> unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.
>
> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 shipped.
> I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to this Huawei
> version. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-
> Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_60442562681.html?spm=
> a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx
>
> Gerard
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.
>
> You are using this now?
>
> *From:* Gerard Dupont
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>
> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-
> gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-
> gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-
> original-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-
> port-wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391
> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS https://www.fs.com/products/
> 20745.html
> 20M $7.66
> 10M $5.66
> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)
>
> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
> Add another 16 ports with optics for on

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Mark -

You're just using standard splitters?

On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> You can do very creative things with splitters.  I just finished designing
> service to 64 lots down a 4.5 mile dirt road.  We didn't want to spend a
> bunch of money being there are only about 20 built house right now, but we
> wanted to make sure we were able to get everyone as they build in the
> future.  Using a combination of 1x4 and 1x2 splitters, we were able to
> design this on a 12 fiber drop cable.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> <m...@mailmt.com>
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:26:46 AM, you wrote: *
>
> You have to change the splitter value as you go down the road. First few
> handhole might be a 5% the step to 10% Etc. I can usually run out about
> 12-15 handhole with various mix of mostly 2 and 4 cust per HH, if you are
> starting further from the cabinet, that hurts a bit of  course. Just set up
> a spreadsheet and play with it.
>
> On Feb 15, 2018 5:13 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's insertion loss at each splitter too.  How may of the 10/90
> splitters can you put inline before you get too low on light?
>
> Class B or class C optics?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:50:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
>
> Yes, i think its a beautiful fit for lower density rural where you have
> long linear roads. We do have some areas with 5 or less houses per mile
> too.
>
> The first splitter is a 1x2 FBT (fused biconal taper) those can be made in
> any split ratio I think they vary the angle that the fibers meet. They are
> common offered in "windowed" version that only pass typical GPON
> wavelengths, but we custom ordered full bandwidth ones for future 10G PON
> techs.
>
> Then the output of that FBT can go right to a drop or to a second "normal"
> PLC splitter to serve multiple drops.
>
> We did about 12 miles with this method this year, maybe 80 or so handhole
> with this splitter method, end of the run is about 10 miles from the
> cabinet.
>
> On Feb 14, 2018 8:26 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yup that's a thing.  That was actually my plan "A", except where he's got
> 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10.
>
> I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't
> remember the name of can be uneven.
> In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler", and
> the thing everybody is calling a coupler is a "mating sleeve".
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/14/2018 7:24:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
>
> Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I
> misunderstanding you?
>
> On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with
> Ubiquiti's offering...
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that
> splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and
> 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be
> tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything.  The benefit is I
> can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline
> and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been
> considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise,
> seems like a nightmare.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan
> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate.
> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went
> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router
> that solves the problem.
>
> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway
> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC
> wifi

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jason McKemie]

*the yolk - sometime swipe typing does me wrong.

On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I prefer 8 minutes, that way there yolk is just barely solid, not chalky.
> I guess it depends on how you're preparing them.
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way
>> to make hard boiled eggs!
>>
>>
>>
>> For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12
>> minutes works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed
>> to the group by Chuck on that topic….
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning
>> folks that they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Philip Rankin
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more
>> than about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!
>> I suspect the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I
>> sincerely appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom
>> throughout the years. Spam away Buddy!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
>> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
>> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
>> let me tour his chop shop.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
>> cavern lights...  :)
>>
>> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>> born... again...
>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>> remember names.
>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>> and lazy to put on the show.
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>> memories :)
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jason McKemie]

I prefer 8 minutes, that way there yolk is just barely solid, not chalky. I
guess it depends on how you're preparing them.

On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way
> to make hard boiled eggs!
>
>
>
> For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12
> minutes works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed
> to the group by Chuck on that topic….
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning folks
> that they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Philip Rankin
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more
> than about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!
> I suspect the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I
> sincerely appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom
> throughout the years. Spam away Buddy!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Awesome!!!
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM,  wrote:
>
> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
> let me tour his chop shop.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:
>
> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
> cavern lights...  :)
>
> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born...
> again...
> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
> remember names.
> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings
> and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
> and lazy to put on the show.
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as
> I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some
> other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list
> wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified
> Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under
> me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be
> taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the
> motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)
> Regards,
> Chuck
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>
> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>
> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
> here….
>
> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to
> WISPA.  Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
> organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
> of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
> Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>
> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
> called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jason McKemie]

The AF fiber edition was great.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>
> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process >
>> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think
>> that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>> 
>> >
>>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
>>  Option 2 or
>>  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>  > ---
>> -
>> >
>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>>  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> >
>> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement
>> effect...
>>  > *From:* Adam Moffett
>>  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>>  > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>  > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
>>  > enlargement spam, but I 

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I
misunderstanding you?

On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with
Ubiquiti's offering...

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that
> splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and
> 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be
> tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything.  The benefit is I
> can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline
> and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going.
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been
> considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise,
> seems like a nightmare.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
>> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan
>> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate.
>> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went
>> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router
>> that solves the problem.
>>
>> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway
>> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC
>> wifi and voip.
>>
>> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot
>> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of
>>> several other operators using the same setup now too.
>>>
>>> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality
>>> made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.
>>>
>>> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500
>>> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to
>>> this Huawei version. https://www.alibaba.com/produc
>>> t-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_604425626
>>> 81.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.
>>>>
>>>> You are using this now?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Gerard Dupont
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>>>>
>>>> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon
>>>> -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu-
>>>> with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
>>>> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o
>>>> riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port
>>>> -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
>>>> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connec
>>>> tor_0391
>>>> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/20745.html
>>>> 20M $7.66
>>>> 10M $5.66
>>>> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)
>>>>
>>>> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
>>>> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
>>>> Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024
>>>> customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.
>>>>
>>>> 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html
>>>> 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14
>>>> https://www.fs.com/products/11528.html
>>>> 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5
>>>>
>>>> None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a
>>>> few hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.
>>>>
>>>> Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per
>>>> customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC 

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

st regards,Mark*mailto:
>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I need to review the math.
>>>>
>>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I didn't
>>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber
>>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam,
>>>>
>>>> How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32
>>>> split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:
>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *--Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm
>>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run
>>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times
>>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so
>>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
>>>>
>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't
>>>> seeming to work out for me.
>>>>
>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to
>>>> PON some day if I want to.
>>>>
>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15
>>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE
>>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that
>>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few reasons...
>>>>
>>>> Port cost is still fairly high.
>>>>
>>>> More splicing.
>>>>
>>>> More fiber required.
>>>>
>>>> Larger chassis required.
>>>>
>>>> More power required.
>>>>
>>>> More battery backup required.
>>>>
>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON
>>>> capacity in most places.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with
>>>> Zhone is different.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN
>>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember
>>>> which.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be
>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>>>>
>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Jason McKemie]

That's probably because we, as a culture, do have a really weird
puritanical view of the world :)

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> If you look at the rest of the world, many seem to believe the US has
> this really weird Puritanical view of the world where gory violence is
> 100% okay, but you must be at least 18 years old to see a naked human
> being.
>
> And they're not wrong.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > who is filtering the analog mediums in this world? they no longer call it
> > "sex ed" because its now health ed and no longer is black and white
> science,
> > more soft core porn. Driving down any road where theres any one if fifty
> > billion "protests" going on, pussy hats, signs filled with vulgarity,
> women
> > wearing boxes with handholes to finger them through for sexual assault,
> > apparently its now a teachers sport to have orgies with students. women
> in
> > restauraints flopping the feedbags out and making sure everyone looks
> before
> > feeding their babies instead of just dropping a shoulder blanket, parades
> > full of cross dressing porn acts, and my personal favorite, our airforce
> > drawing huge penises in the sky (heh).. the world is gone to hell
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:26 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just
> >> religious ideals.
> >>
> >> The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house
> filtering
> >> product.
> >>
> >> Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for
> the
> >> smaller ISPs.
> >>
> >> From: Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
> >>
> >> Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new
> >> Mormon religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to
> >> finally settle in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on
> >> population.
> >>
> >> Fucking. Morons.
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM,  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Proposed legislation in Utah.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)
> >>>
> >>> Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,   wrote:
> 
>  Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
>  legislative working group:
>  (You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
> 
> 
> 
>  Some random thoughts.
> 
>  If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
>  attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same
> to
>  us
>  whether it is porn or online banking.
> 
>  Do we also block Bit Torrent?
>  XBox Grand Theft Auto
>  Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
>  All game servers
>  Twitter
>  Instagram
>  Youtube
>  News outlets
>  Facebook
>  Email
>  Instant messaging
>  Periscope
>  Streaming
>  FTP
>  IRC
> 
>  The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn
> via
>  pings if I wanted.
> 
>  What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible
> readings?
>  Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
>  Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
>  Curtains blowing in the breeze.
> 
>  How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
>  Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.
> 
>  There are always ways around.
>  For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
> 
>  Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are
>  gimmicks.
>  Snake oil.
>  But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.
> 
> >>>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Jason McKemie]

If you're in business for yourself, you're gambling. Maybe with more
control, but still gambling.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> High risk, high reward.  I don't gamble at all and currency trading/stocks
> are exactly that - gambling.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Andreas Wiatowski <
> andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a
>> gambling person, probably better to bet on your own business.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>>
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>
>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 <(866)%20727-4138>
>>
>> http://www.silowireless.com
>>
>> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>>
>>
>>
>> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>>
>> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
>>
>> WISPA http://wispa.org
>>
>> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>>
>> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
>> The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended
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>> information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not
>> the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message
>> has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by
>> reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are
>> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
>> dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is
>> strictly prohibited.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>>
>>
>> The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC,
>> Jay Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban
>> Affairs Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified
>> cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ
>> via Axios
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regulation
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Was $5k this morning…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good time
>> to get in?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

It looked like it has options for coax/fiber hybrid, but their use-case
diagram shows a straight fiber setup as well. I do not have any coax
either. One of my providers distributes Zhone, not sure if that means they
have Dasan as well...

Thanks again.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Jason,
>
> No, we use the 42xx outdoor and the 24xx indoor GPON units.  That looks
> like a fiber/coax hybird.  We are strictly 100% fiber.  I will have to
> check with our purchasing guy to see where we are currently getting our
> units from.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 6:48:29 PM, you wrote: *
>
> Mark -
>
> Do you have any experience with the outdoor OLT I linked to?  Who are you
> buying from?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> We have about 2500 of the DASAN/Zhone onts deployed.  A mix of indoor and
> outdoor.  Been using them for at least 6 years.  Let me know if you have
> any questions.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 5:35:54 PM, you wrote: *
>
> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere
> near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>
> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

Mark -

Do you have any experience with the outdoor OLT I linked to?  Who are you
buying from?

Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Jason,
>
> We have about 2500 of the DASAN/Zhone onts deployed.  A mix of indoor and
> outdoor.  Been using them for at least 6 years.  Let me know if you have
> any questions.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 5:35:54 PM, you wrote: *
>
> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere
> near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>
> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>
> -Jason
>

[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Jason McKemie]

In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere
near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?

I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116

It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday fun

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, that's the way to go.  I got quoted around $250-$300 to replace the
alternator in my E250 - went to Autozone and had it done in less than an
hour for the price of parts.

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> No...I did have plenty of room...not like my Suburban or other 1500 I had
> but with 350.those were allot harder.  Pep Boys quoted me 275.00 and
> all day wait time...
> I purchased water pump and antifreeze plus gasket goop for 60.00 ( my cuz
> is parts manager there) and took me a bit over an hour with neighbors
> coming over and shooting the gab.
> no down time from workpriceless
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like you've got a halfway decent amount of room to work in there,
>> picture could be deceiving though.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Replacing water pump on me work truck..2000 Chevy Silverado 1500... hope
>>> I don't scrape knuckles...lol
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday fun

[Jason McKemie]

Looks like you've got a halfway decent amount of room to work in there,
picture could be deceiving though.

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Replacing water pump on me work truck..2000 Chevy Silverado 1500... hope I
> don't scrape knuckles...lol
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Jason McKemie]

I like the concept, it's going to be like herding cats though...

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> In this discussion should we have it, a history of the first cellular
> networks their evolution and when the industry started to explode would
> need to be laid out.  Starting from the early 80’s on up through. This is
> important because as Gino has suggested, the WISP industry is following a
> very similar path and has always suffered from brand/product image,
> recognition and understanding. Cellular phones back then suffered the same
> problem. The word cellular was understood as a biology term by most. The
> term “Car Phones” was better understood and only those who had a lot of
> money had those and it was a party line system with no privacy. People had
> them out of extreme necessity only. The concept of anyone other than the
> phone company being able to deliver a phone service would not have ever
> seemed possible to a consumer. At that time the breakup of Ma Bell was just
> happening. A person could easily start a cellular network, no spectrum
> auctions back then. Just apply to the FCC and pay the license fees.
>
>
>
> Of an interesting side note, I had the opportunity to be working on a
> consulting project for AT in Portland Oregon years ago, we had to review
> leases, zoning approvals and other documents to determine if sites could be
> expanded and what work was required for same. Sometimes leases mentioned
> specific frequencies and antennas etc. so they might have to be
> renegotiated or modified to add data and new frequencies and antennas. In
> this process I had my hands on Craig McCaw’s first 4 cell tower leases on
> his first built cellular system. It was very cool to be holding that piece
> of history, his personal signature and all. Such an innovator that hadn’t
> hit his stride yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
>
>
>
> I won’t be there.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
>
>
>
> Should we discuss it as session at wispamerica?
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Brian Webster <
> i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
>
>
>
> Absolutely. I have had a method like this in my head for year. Craig McCaw
> really helped those independent operators when he created a national
> branding for the A side cellular operators that had to compete with the B
> side that were all the established ILECs. If there were an interested group
> of WISP’s who wanted to explore the concept I would be willing to have a
> conference call and discuss.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
>
>
>
> Hey Guys
>
>
>
> Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this
> should be repeated in the WISP industry?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ford Transit Connect versus E150

[Jason McKemie]

Sorry, I was thinking Transit, not Transit Connect - that's a car.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 2:48 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I had one and got rid of it after 50,000 miles. It just wouldn't go where
> we needed it. It was very small compared to any regular sized van.
> I lease my feet from Enterprise and they have millions of vehicles in
> thier fleet. My account manager told me they are seeing failures with
> transmissions at about 60k.
>
> There are lots of good options out there that compare favorably to the E
> class. We choose the Dodge Ram Promaster series but there are others. I
> think we get around 18 to 21. Not great compared to the roughly 25 the
> connect got. It really didn't matter how great the milage was. The
> clearance was so low and the trees so small it just want holding up and
> couldn't get to the sure we needed to get to. If you drive only in the city
> and highway it would probably be fine. Although a small the will cause a
> flat.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 11:41 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there much data yet?  They're pretty new here, might have to check
>> overseas for long-term information.  Better get used to it though, the
>> e-series isn't coming back.  I do like the Transits though, would love to
>> trade my E250 for one.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What kind of maintenance issues do you have on the Transit Connects and
>>> how well do they hold up versus the E-150s?  We have little maintenance
>>> although gas mileage is 14-17mpg.  I’m worried that the Transit Connects
>>> can’t hold up to dirt road life like the E-150.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37=gmail=g>th Street •
>>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net <r...@triadwireless.net>*
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ford Transit Connect versus E150

[Jason McKemie]

Is there much data yet?  They're pretty new here, might have to check
overseas for long-term information.  Better get used to it though, the
e-series isn't coming back.  I do like the Transits though, would love to
trade my E250 for one.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> What kind of maintenance issues do you have on the Transit Connects and
> how well do they hold up versus the E-150s?  We have little maintenance
> although gas mileage is 14-17mpg.  I’m worried that the Transit Connects
> can’t hold up to dirt road life like the E-150.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT lutron

[Jason McKemie]

Esp8266's are cheap and flexible. Part of me still wants to have everything
hard wired though. Especially since I still need to run power.

On Sunday, January 28, 2018, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm putting ESP8266's on everything in my house right now, with
> arduinos and relay boards galore. Then those get connected up to a
> private Blynk.cc server, so I can control them from my phone.
>
> I think I have an addiction. :(
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> > Have three switches on a circuit in master bedroom running 7 can lights
> in
> > ceiling.
> >
> > Some of the last convert to LED.
> > They make some nice PAR38 reflector LEDS with a color temp equivalent to
> > tungsten.
> > Finally.
> >
> > So have thought of a dimmer on this for years.  3 switches.  Could put a
> > dimmer in one place that would control the whole circuit but that would
> not
> > be good if you dimmed it then wanted to control from another location.
> So
> > went all googly and came up with a Lutron product.  Has to be a
> particular
> > product that will work for LEDS.  And has to be the RF version, not IR
> > remote.
> >
> > The master dimmer uses one of the travelers as a data circuit to talk to
> the
> > other dimmers and come to agreement as to the level that is wanted.
> >
> > Can dim from any location.  You can put any number of dimmers/switches
> on a
> > circuit.   Has a preset dim button too.
> > Gotta make sure to only have ONE master dimmer on the circuit.  They all
> get
> > unhappy if more than one is the master.  This detail is very hard to
> find in
> > the instructions.
> >
> > All of the switches have the dimmer controls.  Only the master has the RF
> > receiver.  Have as many remotes as you want.
> >
> > Too several purchasing misfires (and one factory packing error), two very
> > light at night tech support calls to Lutron (native American English
> speaker
> > that actually knew his stuff).  Blew some sparks when jamming all the
> wires
> > into one of the outlet boxes (everybody does residential electrical work
> hot
> > right, else how would you know of you blew a circuit breaker when jamming
> > all those wires back in that little box).
> >
> > All the switches are finally in the wall, the grounds are even connected
> and
> > the coverplates are on.  This after about a month of bloody ended wires
> > hanging out of the wall in three places and touching wires together to
> turn
> > the lights on and off...
> >
> > I would recommend this system now that the pain of learning the different
> > components and the wiring scheme is over.   Two touches up and full
> > brightness.  One touch up and preset dimming.  Turning them off makes
> them
> > ramp down to a nice soft finish.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Where to buy fiber optic patch cords etc.

[Jason McKemie]

I've had good luck with fiberstore's patch cables.  However, I recently
order a pigtail from them that, for some inexplicable reason, does not
allow light to pass when spliced onto my OSP cable.  I'm suspecting a fiber
type mismatch, but so far they have not come back with anything confirming
that.

-Jason


Virus-free.
www.avast.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yeah.
>
> You can always try Baltic, Amazon, or Monoprice.  But it seems like nobody
> beats fs.com on price, and they seem to stock every possible thing.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Darin Steffl" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/26/2018 11:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Where to buy fiber optic patch cords etc.
>
> Fs.com
>
> On Jan 26, 2018 10:41 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Where are some good websites to buy fiber optic patch cables, sfps AND
>> media converters? I'm hoping to save on shipping by buying from one source.
>> Specifically, I need patch cables with SC to SC connectors and an SC SFP.
>> Do they make SC SFPs?
>>
>

[AFMUG] Plowing parallel to telephone

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have any suggestions on things to look out for when doing
this?  I've noticed the locating of telephone cables is a bit sketchy
around here to say the least, so it makes me nervous running long distances
parallel with them.  I'll try for the opposite site of the road when
possible, but sometimes that will mean crossing several driveways or other
obstacles.

Thanks.

-Jason


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Re: [AFMUG] Battery Backup for E3-2 PON node

[Jason McKemie]

Have you purchased any of these?  What is pricing like?


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On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thinking about deploying E3-2 PON nodes instead of cabinets for some low
> density installs but I'd like some form of battery backup for them.  Anyone
> know of a small outdoor battery backup that takes utility power and outputs
> -48 or 190V span power?  Perhaps something ped sized.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Memphis

[Jason McKemie]

It works as well as you would expect the 3.65 follow-up to wimax to work,
and maybe then some. Nothing magical about the NLOS capabilities though.

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018,  wrote:

> Did it live up to the promises?
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Memphis
>
> Baicells
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:53:18 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Memphis
>
> What was that product that I think Rick and Patrick were both working with
> a
> couple of years ago that was supposed to be the be-all and end-all for
> NLOS
> /tree performance.
>
> Remember some preliminary test results then nothing.  I just don't
> remember
> the brand or the outcome.
> Did it work?
> Is the company still around?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 11:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Memphis
>
> Any wireless providers thereabout?   I have a customer that is looking
> for a secondary besides Comcast and says there are too many trees and
> it's too flat for any wireless providers down there...
>
> Thanks,
> robert
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1032 to CRS125 Fiber

[Jason McKemie]

I can verify that I still have some SIAE to CCR links that require
disabling auto-negotiate to connect properly.

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On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the info, I think that might have been it.  I'm pretty sure the
> CRS was on Auto negotiate.
>
> On 1/15/2018 3:21 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik_SFP_module_
> compatibility_table#SFP.2B_interface_compatibility_settings_with_1G_links
>
> On 1/15/2018 2:42 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I've had CCR SFP+ ports not wanting to work with GigE SFP modules, but the
> same port works fine with 10G modules.  I know on paper SFP+ is supposed to
> be backwards compatible, but I've had mixed results in real life.
>
> You might have to get an SFP+ module and let it negotiate at 1G.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" < <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 1/11/2018 6:56:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1032 to CRS125 Fiber
>
> I've had to set the CCR to 1Gbps FDX (not auto negotiate) in the past to
> get a link to come up. Worth a try if you haven't changed that setting as
> of yet.
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Nate Burke < <n...@blastcomm.com>
> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried to move a Multimode 1g fiber that was running on a RB260GS to a
>> CCR1032 8G-2S+.  I moved the mikrotik branded SFP from the 260 to the CCR,
>> so I know the SFP is good.  The SFP was recognized, and the phy link was
>> reporting up, but I had no RX traffic.  The remote end of the fiber is on a
>> CRS125.  I tried to fiddle with all the interface settings I could on the
>> CCR, but nothing worked.  I moved the SFP back to the 260, and the fiber is
>> still passing traffic normally.  Any thoughts on Settings that were keeping
>> traffic from moving.
>>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Public Broadband

[Jason McKemie]

How many different ways can we call BS on this article?

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d345pv/harvard-study-shows-why-big-telecom-is-terrified-of-community-run-broadband

I love how they compare pricing without taking into consideration the
ancillary costs to publicly-run networks.

What is it with tech sites' hard-on for bashing ISPs?

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1032 to CRS125 Fiber

[Jason McKemie]

I've had to set the CCR to 1Gbps FDX (not auto negotiate) in the past to
get a link to come up. Worth a try if you haven't changed that setting as
of yet.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I tried to move a Multimode 1g fiber that was running on a RB260GS to a
> CCR1032 8G-2S+.  I moved the mikrotik branded SFP from the 260 to the CCR,
> so I know the SFP is good.  The SFP was recognized, and the phy link was
> reporting up, but I had no RX traffic.  The remote end of the fiber is on a
> CRS125.  I tried to fiddle with all the interface settings I could on the
> CCR, but nothing worked.  I moved the SFP back to the 260, and the fiber is
> still passing traffic normally.  Any thoughts on Settings that were keeping
> traffic from moving.
>