Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.mtin.net/blog/towers-and-pricing/ 
<http://www.mtin.net/blog/towers-and-pricing/>

A blog article I did awhile ago.  Pricing is still pretty relevant.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On May 9, 2018, at 3:05 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like roughly $12k total.  Thanks much!  That helps a lot.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> Not really sure as we did most of it ourself.  Probably $2000 for the 
> foundation and another $1500 for erection.  
>  
> From: James Howard 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> What did you end up spending to install it?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> $5,721.00 + Tax and shipping
>  
> $7,889.00 
>  
> From: James Howard 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> What did it end up costing?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:43 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> Rohn SSV.
>  
> From: James Howard 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:30 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with Chuck?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> Needs to be self supporting.
>  
> From: Chuck McCown 
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>  
> Found a 96 footer Titan from Tessco for about $4600.
> Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price?
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Re: [AFMUG] Alignment tips for AF11Fx

[Justin Wilson]

Double check your frequencies.  That is the most common thing we see.


Justin Wilson
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www.mtin.net
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> On Apr 25, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Nothing at all on the other side, or just weak? If it's not showing anything 
> at all, it must not actually be linking, in which case it could be something 
> configured wrong... like maybe a type in the key, or one of the frequencies 
> is entered wrong.
> 
> If all the config matches, the first thing I'd check would be the duplexor... 
> but it sounds like you're already checking that.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> so we got a -53dBm  on one end and nothing on the other end?  aligned and 
> realignedhaving the other side check duplexor is 4 and 2 on their side 
> because its 2 and 4 on my side
> i downloaded the manual...guess I will have to read it... this is a 9.3 mile 
> linkI have aligned 11GHz up to 23 miles but with voltmeter on 110 ft 
> tower was easier.
> Help Mr. wizard
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
> <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
> Oh yeah sorry.  Mimosa has that feature and the OP was about the UBNT radio.
> 
> My bad
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 6:24 PM Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
> <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> Exactly. 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:22 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Umm... No.
> That's the Mimosa B11 that has that feature, as well as the newer Ubuntu 5ghz 
> AC radios, but as far as I know, the af11 has nothing of the sort. 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:09 PM Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
> <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> They do? That's news to me. 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
> <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
> The units have a 2.4ghz Wi-Fi convection for configuring and aiming.  You’ll 
> probably want to turn it off when you are done.
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:08 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> So no voltmeter alignment option on AirFiber 11FX?   That's how I align 
> Dragonwave, Siklu and Bridgewave. ...going to have to set up WiFi hotspots at 
> two locations and use tablet on two towers to align antennasno other 
> equipment there presently
> 
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 1:37 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> We reserved bobcat with 2 ft. scoop and 
> arranged for cement trucks to pour concrete in tower base pits week before we 
> went to Artesia for last Mobday.  Ended with this and cement mixer since no 
> trucks available!!! So instead of two tower base erections on Monday, we did 
> second one on Tuesday!!! 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:37 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Blew my hair off along with hard hat.
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:31 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Good for both of you! I've been on towers when the wind gets too high, 
> and it is more dangerous than you tend to think. Everything, and I mean 
> everything, gets more difficult.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> On 4/22/2018 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Ok...I will do that when we go back...winds will be up to 20mph all 
> > week...at 25 they get us off the roof and my Comtrain certified 
> > assistant refused to let me climb
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Justin Wilson]

If you aren’t using a billing system look into Zoho.  They have a product 
called zoho1 that does a ton of stuff.  Has all of their applications for $35 a 
month, which includes billing, ticketing, CRM, etc.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Apr 19, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Andy Trimmell <atrimm...@precisionds.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe check out www.Faveohelpdesk.com <http://www.faveohelpdesk.com/>
>  
>  
> I’ve looked into it a few times if you’re looking for something simple.
>  
>  
>  
> Andy Trimmell
> Systems Engineer
> PDS Connect
> 317-831-3000
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>  
> We are currently moving from a “old CRM” to SONAR. In Sonar, I would have all 
> the customer info but no multichannel CRM.  WE are looking into how to 
> integrate SONAR API so we can manage other support channels like twitter, 
> facebook etc. 
>  
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
> Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:47 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>  
> Well and they’re in is the problem. There is no link between Zendesk and 
> power code other than the customer name and email address. But not finding a 
> perfect solution in a billing system this is the solution we have thus far. 
> At least it aggregates all means of communication into one ticket system that 
> we can use internally
>  
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:33, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> 
> Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to have on 
> hand? 
>  
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
> Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
>  
> Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Zendesk 
> integrated with our text messages and Facebook page.
> 
> The only thing in power code or call logs when someone calls in but there’s 
> no reason you couldn’t create a new ticket in Zendesk and link it to the 
> customers email address. You can create a new account in Zendesk for the 
> customer if you need to, or if they’ve ever emailed in before they will 
> already have an account.
>  
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 07:50, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
> 
> I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to decide on 
> one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone call tickets in 
> Azotel, texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on Facebook. 
>  
> I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all our 
> support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things. 
>  
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
> You can open a ticket in Zendesk. 
>  
> Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to track?  I 
> guess you could do either. 
>  
> We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really your 
> billing/CRM system should be handling phone support tickets and linking them 
> to the account. 
> 
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 05:18, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
> 
> I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for people who 
> call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in to create a ticket. 
> It see

Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs

[Justin Wilson]

If you are looking to make your site SSL enabled so google doesn’t mark it as 
untrusted by June/July here is the quick and dirty to make life easy.

1.Spin up a machine and install Webmin and Virtualmin on it.  This is very very 
easy for simple web-sites.  Lots of tutorials. 
2.Once you have your sites as domains in virtualmin, you go to the SSL options 
of each site, click a few buttons and you are done.  It goes out and requests a 
certificate from LetsEncrypt, installs it in your webserver, and gives you the 
option to install it in postfix,ftp, etc.  Very easy.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Im not going to lie, i forgot that https is encrypted.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018, 5:32 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> Being really smart at cryptography has nothing to do with whether it needs to 
> be encrypted or not in the first place.
> 
> I'm not against encryption. Many things certainly require it.
> 
> That URL is indicative of groupthink, not the case for HTTPS everywhere.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink>
> 
> Why might Wikipedia want to HTTPS everything? Their mission is the 
> dissemination of information to everywhere, including countries that have 
> content filters. Of course that doesn't actually stop anyone from actually 
> doing a MITM, it just increases the amount of resources required to do the 
> job. 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 5:27:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs
> 
> The discussion has been hashed out quite thoroughly by people who are far 
> more knowledgeable about cryptography than you or I will ever be - about 
> twenty years ago, when SSL was first popularized. It's been continually 
> developed since then. The really funny thing if that you linked to an https 
> website for your URL promoting the credentials of that one specific dude, in 
> defense of your argument. Why isn't it plain http?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> A position so weak, it can't stand up to a discussion? How sad.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 5:22:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs
> 
> Yeah I think I'll skip a 45 minute podcast that seems to have an anti-crypto 
> agenda, and continue reading the IETF mailing lists instead. Standardization 
> and implementation of TLS1.3 will continue onwards even if the 
> techno-luddites ignore its existence.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> Also, listen to the cast.
> 
> Well, or don't. It might make you think for yourself.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.co

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Justin Wilson]

You have your own DNS for one huge reason. GeoLocation for when it comes to 
Content Networks such as Netflix.  One of the mechanisms they employ is using 
DNS Geolocation to serve you the closest content.  Not only do they do a 
GeLocate on your IP, but some also do a check to make sure your DNS servers are 
coming from the same place as your customers. This is especially true if you or 
one of your upstreams is peered with Netflix or someone on an exchange. 
Otherwise, if you are using Google or other DNS you may be in Kansas, and you 
might be getting content from Netflix out of California, when you could be 
getting it literally next door.  Makes the customer experience much better. 
There are RFCs that address this, but if they are implemented is a crapshoot.

Secondly, relying on a 3rd party for such a critical service such as DNS can be 
troublesome.  Would you rely on someone else to provide the wireless signal to 
your customers blindly? If so, then offloading DNS is okay for you.  I want 
more control for such a critical service.  

I hear folks worry about the bandwidth DNS takes up.  It’s not a concern either 
way.  If your network can’t support the bandwidth of DNS queries then you have 
deeper issues.

It’s hard.  No it’s not.  Tons of tutorials on Bind for every flavor of linux.  
Just about any old machine laying around can run DNS.  

If anyone wants to know how easy, and how cheap it is to spin up DNS (both 
recursive and authoritative) hit me up.  I will gladly talk with you about some 
strategy.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Apr 3, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
> 
> I know there is often debates on here about running any servers, some 
> servers, or doing everything in-house (mail, web, DNS etc).  Even if you 
> outsource everything I would still run recursive caching DNS …. Performance 
> and reliability the main reasons.  Some CDN’s and other services determine 
> the path to send you content based on where the DNS look up occurs and in our 
> case that’s a significant factor … 
>  
> We operate our own anycasted DNS …actually two of them.  One set of servers 
> for recursive caching and another set for authoritative DNS.
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of "Forrest Christian (List 
> Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
> Reply-To: <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 4:33 AM
> To: af <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>  
> Because it's good for your customers, and it should take very little time to 
> set one up. <>
>  
> The main reason for this is so that websites serve data from the closest 
> server due to the way that DNS anycast works.
>  
> And, the biggest one - to have control over a critical piece of 
> infrastructure for your customers.  What happens if one of these public DNS 
> services go down and you have hundreds of customers pointing at it?   
>  
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Someone remind me again why I have my own recursive DNS.
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 4/2/2018 3:22:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>>  
>>> Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some of the 
>>> vendor mailing lists.
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
>>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
>>>> https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587
>>>>  
>>>> <https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587>
>>>> 
>>>> Faster and more private than Google or others. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Travis
>>>> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | http://www.packetflux.com 
> <http://www.packetflux.com/>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Justin Wilson]

Here is the problem that comes around every so often.


1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel and the 
conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine some of the 
threads that have gone off the rails in realtime. 
2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays attention to 
it.

As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand, it’s 
not going away anytime soon.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
> 
> Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the 
> email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems 
> like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if they 
> want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium topics.  
> Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic specific to what 
> each list member is interested in.  I know my attention span sometimes gets 
> lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack isn’t the beat choice 
> but there is surely something like that to fit the group needs 
> Just a thought 
> 
> Craig 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Buying IPv4

[Justin Wilson]

https://www.ipv4auctions.com/ <https://www.ipv4auctions.com/>

Those are pretty much the going rate these days.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone have a good place to buy IPv4?  Looking for a /22 or /21.  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Justin Wilson]

FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.
> 
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
> later like Q2.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
> that's not the reason behind the delay.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
> 
> Josh,
> 
> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in 
> the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's. 
> That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner docs.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
> 
> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
> <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work 
> with the new AP is how I took it.
> 
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> Coming soon
> 
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
> 
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
> 
> Ac based chipset
> 
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
> 507-634-WiFi
>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
> 507-634-WiFi
>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Announcement.pdf>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Justin Wilson]

So your issue still is you are seeing more names on tickets and you think thats 
a bad thing?  Have you contacted them directly about your concerns? 

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 11, 2018, at 3:36 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Without being "that guy" id rather get some general answers on the original 
> question. I have no issue going i to further detail outside the public eye, 
> just looking to see whether its an inward or outward problem that needs 
> addressed. My only issue here is rhe same as its always been, layne never 
> lets it fester before he addresses it. Pretty obvious hes not been a field 
> tech with a splinter. 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2018 10:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> Curious as to what kind of issues you are seeing.
>  
> From: Steve Jones <>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>  
> Yeah. This one isnt a complaint so much as curious if others are seeing the 
> same issues we are seeing. If theyre not, then its probably more a me issue 
> than a them issue. The current set of issues however are impacting relations 
> with our customers. I reach out here over places like the facebook wisp 
> groups because here gives good input, there just starts lynchmobs.
>  
> On Mar 10, 2018 7:30 PM, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net <>> 
> wrote:
> Weren't you complaining about serverplus a few months ago also?
>  
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <>> 
> wrote:
> DTs, like railroad tracks are great when theyre followed, thats very true. 
> Very true.
>  
>  
> On Mar 10, 2018 12:25 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <>> wrote:
> I would add that Layne’s service is only as good as the decision tree that 
> you provide to him.  The more detailed DT, the better the service will be. 
>  
> From: Layne Sisk <>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>  
> I would like to share some solid stats with the group.  Please see those 
> below.  The comment about a decline is hard to address without looking at 
> stats.  Kind of like the user that calls you and vaguely  says “My internet 
> seems slow” when you have stats that show they are getting more than they are 
> paying for.  We have hired a number of new people recently because we have 
> grown and have added a new office but as Justin said this is a slow time of 
> the year so we also took advantage of this time to get rid of some of our 
> weaker performers.  Here are the company wide stats for the past week with 
> some comments about them, I would stack these up against any call center in 
> the world.  Sorry if I come on strong, but as you all know this is my baby 
> and I care a lot about it just like you do about your networks.  I know we 
> are not perfect, out of 6000 calls I am sure we made a mistake or two and I 
> am happy to address any individual issue directly, but I am pretty proud of 
> what we do. 
> 
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> Down from over 13 min 2 months ago
> 
>   TOTAL TALK TIME VS SCHEDULED
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> 69.94%
> 
> 80%
> 
> This is agent utilization
> 
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> 91.66%
> 
> 95%
> 
> 91.66% of callers would recommend the service That  is a number any company 
> would kill for
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> A full 20% of callers responded to our survey, that number is unheard of
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> 39.31%
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> 
> Higher escalation percentage this week because of the storms and significant 
> network outages
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> 
> Happy to share our QA form with anyone who would like to see it
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Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Justin Wilson]

For how long? I have several clients using them and they are completely happy 
with the response time. That has not changed.  I know people go on vacation, 
lots of flu going around, trade shows, etc.  This is also the time of year 
things aren’t busy for many ISPs, especially here in the MidWest.  I would say 
the average customer ticket que size has dropped 50% for most of my folks since 
mid January. If I were someone like ServerPlus, and that trend was happening I 
would be putting people on internal projects during these times.  Not speaking 
for them, but at least for my folks, it’s a slow time.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 10, 2018, at 12:30 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noted a consistent decline in quality with these guys, and a large 
> number of different tech names in their tickets?
> Its almost looking like they outsourced their outsourcing.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber patch cables retail in central il?

[Justin Wilson]

What do you need? Im near Danville Illinois and have some LC-LC cables.   Also 
have some LC-SC.   I think all mine are 1 meter.  

Other than that  I don’t know of anyone until you get to Indianapolis. 


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a place in central illinois that retails single mode lc patch cables 
> a guy could go pick 4 up at? 

Re: [AFMUG] Memcached

[Justin Wilson]

Why does anyone run a bridged network?
Why does anyone expose their management ip ranges to the internet?
Why does anyone not upgrade firmware to fix security vulnerabilities that are 
years old?

Shall I go on? :-)





Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why does anyone have non acl input allow on infrastructure
> 
> On Mar 3, 2018 3:39 PM, "Justin Wilson" <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> Do the following. 
> 
> 1.Dont have it listen on public ports.  
> 2.IPtables if you must have it listen on public ports for whatever reason.
> 3.Compile with libwrap and use tcpwrappers for the best security
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> 
> www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/>
> www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:13 PM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com 
>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I block it on the input for any router we have.
>> I havent considered doing for the forward table.
>> 
>> On 3/2/2018 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> You are blocking port 11211, right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Memcached

[Justin Wilson]

Do the following. 

1.Dont have it listen on public ports.  
2.IPtables if you must have it listen on public ports for whatever reason.
3.Compile with libwrap and use tcpwrappers for the best security

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:13 PM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
> 
> I block it on the input for any router we have.
> I havent considered doing for the forward table.
> 
> On 3/2/2018 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> You are blocking port 11211, right?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> 
>> 
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support

[Justin Wilson]

I have had very little issue with support, but like many other companies these 
days, e-mail through support.cambiumnetworks.com 
<http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/> web portal always gets answered very 
quickly.   Other companies prefer e-mail support as well these days.  I have 
filled out support tickets with Cambium and received calls back within the 
hour.  I try to put as much relevant information to minimize the back and forth 
as possible like Adam says.

Last issue I had was some licensing issues.  Had a resolution within an hour of 
filling out the request.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've almost never needed them.
> When I did call support one time, I had the same complaint as you.  I was 
> advised by someone higher up the chain to open the ticket online.  That's 
> essentially what the phone answerer is doing, but they're transcribing your 
> words and may be mangling them.  Fill out the online ticket request and you 
> can describe the issue in your own words and get some of the dumb questions 
> out of the way immediately.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/20/2018 7:31:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support
> 
>> Also. How do I get American support that can solve my issue while on the 
>> phone?  The few times I’ve called in someone takes my info down and just 
>> opens a ticket.
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 19:26, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why does Cambium Support suck so bad?
>>> 
>>> Why do they not have access to my cnMaestro account?
>>> 
>>> Every time I open a ticket I’m asked 10 questions that could all be 
>>> answered if the tech had access to my cnMaestro cloud account.
>>> 
>>> What firmware version?  How is it configured? Etc etc.
>>> 
>>> Instead of getting solutions when I open a ticket I get question after 
>>> question back.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had nothing but issues since embarking on my Cambium adventures a 
>>> month ago.
>>> 
>>> Latest issue is a cnPilot device that was connected and working fine for 
>>> several weeks, now it shows connected and stats but won’t let me change the 
>>> SSID from the cloud.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP

[Justin Wilson]

Keep in mind the Cellular one brand did not translate well into fixed wireless. 
 I saw that first hand.  It was easy in the cellular market.  There needs to be 
a ton of standardization for things to happen.  We have a co-op here in 
indiana, but everyone uses different equipment, different authentication 
methods, different billing systems, different etc. etc.  LTE removes some of 
these barriers, but its still an issue.

Danville Illinois was one of the last holdouts of Cellular one.  They had fixed 
wireless even after the sale to ATT.  It was so outdated and slow they just 
abandoned. They just told customers it was getting shut off.  They offered no 
alternatives.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If I remember correctly, Cellular One eventually turned into something more 
> like JAB/Rise, but in the beginning it was more like a coop of independent 
> companies working together for advertising, etc, and to work together instead 
> of just fighting amongst themselves. 
> 
> I always thought that would be a good idea for WISPs. 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> Jab/ rise buys and aggregates companies, Cellular One was more like a 
> coop/franchise system 
> 
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
> Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:46 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cellular One approach to WISP
> 
> I thought that is what JAB/Rise was doing.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:11 AM Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> What do you mean? Cellular one is known as the worst company alive everywhere 
> I've been
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018, 9:57 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> Hey Guys
> 
> Those who know the history behind Cellular One, don’t you think this should 
> be repeated in the WISP industry? 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Justin Wilson]

I do this with unified and a controller.  I now have a cloudy.

There is a thread on the cambium forum I am following that talks about guest 
access on the r series platform but there have been no updates from anyone at 
Cambium in awhile.  I will followup.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know I'd 
> like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give up my PSK 
> to random people.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Justin Wilson]

Speaking from a consultant side it can be a little tricky with a new client.  I 
have been burned more than once thinking I was going to “hop in and fix it real 
quick”. Anymore, I want to build relationships with my clients.  One of the 
last ones was a guy calls me at midnight having a traffic issue.  He has two 
upstream pipes he wants to try and utilize and needs some BGP help.  It’s an 
emergency situation because he is maxing out one pipe and the other is barely 
being used. So, I talk with him for 45 minutes on his drive home before he can 
give me remote access.  I then spend the next hour or so writing out diagrams 
on paper trying to learn his network as quickly as I can.

I then make some BGP changes and see traffic change and watch it for another 15 
minutes or so. By this time his prime time is starting to wind down a little so 
I can’t tell if it’s normal traffic utilization or I actually fixed it. I tell 
client I made changes, spent 15 minutes typing up said changes, and say I 
*think* I fixed it but don’t really know enough about the network to say I did. 
 Send client invoice and say let me know and we can look again at no charge.

Three days later I get a nasty e-mail saying I didn’t fix it, goes on and on 
how he can prove I didn’t fix it blah blah.  Oh, and by the way his normal 
consultant logged in and fixed it. Well yeah because the normal guy knows a 
whole lot more about the network than I did.

Another off the street client had me look at some drop out issues.  Again, same 
story.  I have never touched the network and he calls me saying traffic just 
randomly stops for a second or two at a time.  Start looking at things, start 
from the easiest things to look at.  Spend 3 hours or so making sure configs 
are correct, etc.  Bill client and say get back to me.  Sends me a nasty gram 3 
months later saying it was the switch the routers were hooked into and they had 
buffer issues.  Why did I not tell him to replace the switch within the first 
hour?!?!?!

These are just a few examples.  Us WISP consultants are a small bunch and we 
all know each other.  My advice is you need to find a consultant you can build 
a relationship with that works for BOTH of you.  My regular clients know I pick 
up the phone in a pinch and am fair with them.  However, they have taken the 
time and effort to build the relationship on their side too.  Anyone new who 
calls me that is looking for someone to answer the phone in that pinch 
automatically starts out with a 3-5 network evaluation. I don’t go as far as 
labbing everything up, but I make sure the documentation is spot on.  I still 
do the small break fixes, etc. but I am much more cautious about things.  We 
all have our own way of doing stuff.  Some people and I don’t click.  Some do.  
I am sure that is the same with any other consultant. 



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

j2sw.com
www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Similar case with me which I kind of already pointed out.
>  
> They couldn’t figure out a BGP issue and wanted to virtualize and put in a 
> lab and spend hours on top of hours analyzing.
>  
> I stopped them right there and said no thanks to that.
>  
> Then I called Dennis and he took a few minutes, found out it likely wasn’t my 
> problem, and worked with my upstream provider to fix it.
>  
> And it was fixed after some emails back and forth between all of us.
>  
> I asked IPArchitechs to refund me since they had charged me hundreds of 
> dollars to get nowhere.
> One of their sales guys made out a personal check to me for some reason, 
> claiming his reputation was on the line or something like that.
> I think it was a shady play at emotions, but I don’t have many emotions, so 
> it didn’t work with me, lol!
>  
> I took whatever little money they could refund me, however they wanted to 
> refund and ‘play’ that.
> Then they gave me credit which I still have, to use.
>  
> Likely I’ll not be doing BGP stuff with them, but maybe they will do 
> something more benign, like standard server work.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:01 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs
>  
> We used them once and we weren't happy. I wanted to give them a try to see 
> how they compared to others.
> What I thought was a simple BGP issue that could have been handled with a 
> 15-30 minute phone call ended
> up taking over two weeks. They "needed" to get our router configs and 
> virtualize them in their network. Then
> figure out which interfaces were backhaul links, etc. 
>  
> They then came up with a 

Re: [AFMUG] Class B Ip space

[Justin Wilson]

$150 a month for a Class C is below what we are seeing.  Most of the time it is 
in the $200 range and if you are leasing them from a carrier I have seen $1 an 
ip be the cheap end.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Some guy came around and offered me $150/month per Class C.  I told him he 
> was crazy.
> 
> On the other hand if your friend leased the whole Class B at that rate, he 
> wouldn't have to work anymore.  I can't answer the leasing agent question, 
> but I can send you the contact info of the person who approached me offlist 
> if you want.
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/9/2017 6:53:12 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Class B Ip space
> 
>> I am posting for a friend who has a class b address space.   He is 
>> interested in leasing it out but doesn't want to do the administration of 
>> the leasing himself, rather going through a leasing agent.  Is there anyone 
>> in particular that people think highly of?
>> 
>> Robert
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Justin Wilson]

I would say anyone who climbs towers should at the very least go to the 
OSHA 10 hour class on fall protection. At the very least!  I have seen some 
shady towers. Ones with no concrete in the base and the only thing anchoring 
them was the house bracket.  Rusted towers.  You name it so I have climbed 
towers others have deemed safe.  Call me stupid or whatever, but I like to 
think I was more in tune with the tower than they were.  I would never ask 
someone to climb something I wouldn’t. 

Having said that, if you have determined these “unsafe” towers are 
actually not a problem offer the tech a few extra dollars for hazard pay.  It’s 
amazing how many towers now become safe.  It’s a double edged sword though.  
You don’t want your folks cutting out their safety for a few extra bucks. 


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:
> 
> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25 variety 
> that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you formally 
> train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the community on 
> this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not afraid of heights 
> but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  
> We have since had a talk with him as a couple of those jobs have been 
> successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what say you
>  
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Level 3 CDN

[Justin Wilson]

Technically when it is in standby mode.  Some for PS4.  You can turn both of 
them actually off.  But default is standby mode.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Oct 14, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the XboxOne updates when it is off.  It also continues downloading games 
> and updates which are in queue.  The games are around 70GB each on the big 
> releases.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> I would think updates when in standby would be preferred. Unplug wto verify?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:32:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Level 3 CDN
> 
> 
> yes they do, by default
> also if this xbox is set up as one of the users home xbox, if they get a game 
> while logged into any other xbox, it automatically downloads to the home one 
> also
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Jason McKemie 
> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
> wrote:
> Does anyone know if Microsoft uses the Level 3 CDN?  I'm trying to track down 
> some bandwidth usage for a customer and the IP addresses are all coming back 
> as Level 3.  I'm suspecting the culprit is an Xbox - do these run game / 
> system updates even when in standby?
> 
> -Jason
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] HT (Half Topic)- Tower Climber ? of the Week.

[Justin Wilson]

Rolling hitch or pipe hitch.  Great for lifting conduit and other round 
objects. 


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:
> 
> What’s everyone’s favorite knot!? Figure 8 here.  But also use the Alpine 
> butterfly a lot.
>  
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes

[Justin Wilson]

IMHO a max prefix limit is just insurance, especially omniscience’s Mikrotik 
with route leak issues.   Folks LIKE Packet Clearing house have done APNIC and 
Nanog presentations on why this can be an assist.   I have had major backbone 
providers hit routing filters on full tables set at 900k more than once just 
this year alone.  Most of it was due to Cisco bugs.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Roughly...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Sep 8, 2017 9:57 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 6:30 Eastern
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Sep 8, 2017 9:44 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> How long ago did this threshold get passed?
> 
> On Sep 8, 2017 8:39 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> Well I have filters in place but I thought someone put it there for a reason. 
>  Sure doesn't seem to be providing any value but obviously introduces 
> problems...
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
> <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
> hmmm not a good ideal on setting up prefix limit on your Full Table IP 
> Transit BGP Connections..
> setting prefix limits on your Peering BGP connections is an excellent idea.
> Using ACL Filters to explicitly accept prefixes from your down-stream, and 
> what you advertise to your upstream is best practices.
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155=gmail=g>
> Miami, FL 33155 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155=gmail=g>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>, "WISPA General List" 
> <wirel...@wispa.org <mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>
> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 7:26:00 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes
> I'm not sure where the 650k max-prefix-limit came from - consultant or I 
> thought it was plentiful - but both of my peers just hit 650.6k and 651.2k 
> routes which caused all kinds of fun this morning.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
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> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS'd NTP

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html 
<http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html>
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> I know that Brian at Baltic built a bunch of custom MT-based setups for one 
> of his customers that came with a USB GPS receiver that output NEMA that the 
> MT could read.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com 
> <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:45:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS'd NTP
> 
> Apparently there are USB sticks that are basically a GPS receiver and a 
> PL2303 for $30-40. So you get the date/time. Cool. Then they take the 1PPS 
> output to blink a f***ing LED. Really!? I was reading some blogs where folks 
> have opened them up and wired a super tiny jumper from 1PPS to DCD. That was 
> about 5-6 years ago using older SiRF receivers, too. Meh.
> 
> A GPS+GLONASS SBJ basic and USB kit would be pretty cool. Could the USB 
> interface also power the box, up to say 20-25 feet? The other thing is, all 
> of the machines I'm working with have a serial port. So maybe just skip the 
> USB altogether?
> 
> I was thinking, maybe take the daisy-chain output from a 
> SyncInjector/PowerInjector/RackInjector since those switch the pipe/box to 
> NMEA anyway, but I don't think I'd want a path from the tower-mounted gear to 
> server(s). And other funky stuff like noise making it into the timing for the 
> radios would be ungood.
> 
> On 9/6/2017 2:10 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> I could tell you how to wire a syncbox junior up to a usb port if you'd like. 
>  Requires a TTL level usb to serial cable. 
> 
> I'd you wait a month or so until the gps+glonass version is out it well even 
> speak nmea.  Heck,  now I think about this it might make a good product  
> syncbox basic plus a USB dongle.
> 
> On Sep 5, 2017 8:19 PM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com 
> <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
> I've got a few CentOS machines running around the network doing various 
> tasks, one being NTP for radios, routers, switches, etc. I've been having 
> some issues with us.pool.ntp.org <http://us.pool.ntp.org/>lately. I switched 
> to time-(a,b,c,d).nist.gov <http://nist.gov/>. Apparently those are pretty 
> busy.
> 
> So is anyone else using GPS to feed NTPd? From what I've been reading, I 
> guess I need a 1PPS capable receiver. Does that exist in a simple USB 
> package? That would be ideal, preferably with an SMA female for an external 
> antenna where needed. Looks like none of the cheap shit I'm finding on Amazon 
> has PPS output.

Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

[Justin Wilson]

Many insurance companies will pay for contractors. I have been in several 
after-storm operations as either a network, communications, or tower climber.  
My bill was paid by the insurance company ultimately.  Sometimes I had to send 
an invoice, which I told the client that I could wait until the insurance 
company paid them.  I only do this with folks I trust.   I have also done 
insurance quotes ahead of time for an insurance claim.  Insurance companies 
have some leeway in disaster areas, especially when it comes to communication.

I was on one job we had to clear 3/4 of a mile of nothing but debris to get to 
a tower.  Insurance company paid extra to have 3 bulldozers clear a path for us 
to get there.  Was kinda cool riding on one pushing stuff out of the way. Felt 
powerful. That gig was paid for by the insurance company.  We had to jump 
through hoops to be on a list, but they worked with us.  The important part, at 
least for them, was getting the insured back to work.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> Cool breezes !..
> 
> I know your moto Jaime .. Have Tecate, Will Work ! :)  Some nice buttrotios 
> and ropa beahia  with roasted jalapenos !
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 7:05:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida
> Not me...I am tropical anal mist.  
> 
> On Sep 6, 2017 4:01 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
> <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
> I would think so at the end of the day we are all commercial entities..
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:08:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida
> that's actually a pretty fair question to ask
> 
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net 
> <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
> I don’t have employees, but I do have a very good contractor that might be 
> able to help out.
> 
>  
> I would miss him terribly for a week or two, and I don’t think he can afford 
> to volunteer.
> 
>  
> Seems dumb to ask, but would there be compensation for contractors by chance?
> 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:30 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida
> 
>  
> I know I speak for myself and Gino, that we both will likely need extra 
> personnel to recovery from Irma after the storm passes.  We have 38 towers 
> across 4 counties in SouthEast Florida, and have prepared as best we can.  We 
> have been down this road before and it is not fun.
> 
>  
> It looks like regardless of the direct track of the storm, our customers will 
> be significantly impacted.
> 
>  
> If there is anyone who can spare a good employee for a week or two 
> afterwards, it would be greatly appreciated  they will be welcomed warmly and 
> treated very well.
> 
>  
> Paul
> 
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> 
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
> 772-564-6800 <tel:(772)%20564-6800> 
> 
> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
> www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com/>
>  
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

[Justin Wilson]

Depends on the wording of the lease.  This is why attorneys exist.  LOL.  I had 
a grain leg owner years ago build a new, taller leg right next to the one I was 
and rent space to a competitor.  My lease did not specify the wording of 
“tower” enough so I was advised was all legit. From that point on all my leases 
had more verbage about such things.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> And your question is?
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2017 11:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I know this isn't an FCC issue 
>> under any circumstances.
>> 
>> We have leases with all our POP landlords, in the lease we own the site 
>> spectrum, with the exception of very few locations we don't collocate, just 
>> not worth the hassle.
>> 
>> I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet from our POP is a new POP, not 
>> us, cause though I used to enjoy spooning some powder with baking soda, I 
>> don't smoke crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its on the same property, 
>> Id recall a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.
>> 
>> I'm an honest operator, very honest, like the first time UBT sent us new 
>> stickers for spectrum I made sure we actually put them out (be honest, 
>> pretty much NOBODY did that) I turn down power where we don't need it. I do 
>> my best to make sure we are compliant. I fought bosses to remove non 
>> compliant stuff I put up before I knew better. For the most part, I'm a good 
>> fucking neighbor, ask anybody abutting me. (with the exception of one 
>> location I collocate where I'm a dick, but a legal dick)
>> 
>> So you can understand my dismay, being the pillar of the spectrum community 
>> Ive tried to be (also found out today I inadvertently fucked a fellow wisp 
>> on a bad choice I made with no follow up, I owned it with him and will be 
>> working on fixing that as of tomorrow)
>> 
>> I approach everything with combat boots, assuming a battle. I'm guessing 
>> when it gets in the database this backhaul is going to be UBNT 11ghz, or 
>> some other nonsense (probably affiliated with the over wind loaded tower 3/4 
>> miles away with 3, yes 3, UBNT 5ghz peanut shaped airfibers within 8 feet of 
>> one another (one link, one side points to the sky the other side points to 
>> the dirt)
>> 
>> The question I have is about lease rules, and contract law, which the bulk 
>> of you old timers has dealt with. If the other operator (if its who I 
>> suspect it is, they use fuckery, like the UBNT demo mode, or whatever its 
>> called and other such garbage to even operate overpowered in DFS channels) 
>> doesn't want to play ball, as in "shut that shit off" will we be able to 
>> fight it?
>> 
>> I know what went down, and how it went down, and I suspect I know who it is. 
>> The usual, guy approaches a site owner, offers unrealistic unicorn farts, 
>> unicorn farts always win, spectrum gets fucked.
>> 
>> We do 5 year auto renewing leases, with 2 year breakouts. (you guys would 
>> likely cream your jeans seeing our lease, and though Ive asked, no I cant 
>> share it publicly, and yes, it was drawn up by an attorney) we get full 
>> control of the 5, 6, 11, 3, 2, 900mhz, etc spectrum (I don't have a lease 
>> handy to see the specific wording) per the site.
>> 
>> I know we wouldn't have a horse in the race with the FCC, but with this 
>> boiling down to contract law, whats to stop us from A. willful interference 
>> (assuming out power doesn't get cut) and B. a cease and desist from a court 
>> for the other ISP, pending the 2 year termination?
>> 
>> I'm handing this to the boss to handle, because my communication will start 
>> with "listen here motherfucker" and I don't see that as conducive to a 
>> positive outcome. I had my boy with me when I came to the site today because 
>> I was just getting accurate AGLs for bringing in a licensed backhaul. If he 
>> hadn't been with me, I probably would have yanked their ghetto enclosure off 
>> the wall and shot their antennas.
>> 
>> Ill tell you what, I'm about to start acting like a lot of these yahoos and 
>> saying fuck the FCC, fuck good stewardship of the spectrum, and fuck general 
>> good manners.
>> 
>> TBH I'm not sure if I'm asking advice here or just venting. probably both. 
>> but FYI, I'm so pissed off right now, if you have an ex old lady who needs 
>> disappeared, I'm your freaking guy
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

[Justin Wilson]

Thank you Mitch!

Being one of the owners or MidWest-IX I wanted to address this then someone 
please kill this thread.


1.I am not sure who Eric Kuhnke is.  We have never had dealings with him nor 
have I ever spoken to him except on Facebook.  Not sure what got under his skin 
but he has a major issue.  It’s kinda creepy.

2.The photo is of the Westin Building meet me room.  It’s kinda hard to miss 
that.

3.The photo was purchased from a Stock Photo site when we created the new 
version of midwest-ix.com.  I still have the receipt as part of business 
expenses. It was given with a limited license.  We could use it on a web-site 
and in limited usage.  It was not an exclusive license. I believe the site is 
stockphoto.com and they were responsible for the license of the image.

4.In no way do we represent the photo as being our network. It’s a photo for 
crap sake.  By design, we do not own data centers.Nowhere do we say this is 
out data center our our meet me room. If it was a random photo it would not be 
used.  If it hadn’t been bought from a stock photo site it would not have been 
used.

5.We are not Missouri IX.  We are MidWest-IX and FD-IX. We are not just in 
Missouri.  We are in many places not even listed on the web-site for one reason 
or another.Nowhere do we imply that is our meet me room.  Any implication 
is a totally subjective to the person viewing the room.


And here is the most Important thing of all of this!
6.How do you know we don’t have a presence in that room? Have you ever had the 
courtesy to ask us before assuming? How do you know we do not do business with 
the Westin Building and it’s tenants? How do you know if we have had any 
conversations about the meet me room and the photo with representatives of the 
Westin Building? One of the folks from the Westin was at WispAmerica this year. 
Him and I sat down and talked and I even showed him our web-site. 

Done and Done.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
j2sw.com
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Aug 5, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> Question??
> 
> Eric
> 
> Why are you so upset?
> 
> Did you have a bad dealing with someone and this is get back at them time?
> 
> I agree with Faisal it's a picture
> 
> Mitch
> On 8/5/2017 11:29 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Share with you a related story
>> 
>> I was in a Conf. room of one of our Colo Facilities Providers, they had some 
>> pictures on their Conf. Room wall, which all were nice.. but there was one 
>> picture that caught eye and appeared to be very familiar.. it was a picture 
>> of cluster of antennas mounted on the roof of that facility...
>> 
>> Upon a closer look, I recognized that that cluster was our antennas ! ... so 
>> instantly two emotions came to mind... one was .. Hey that is a nice picture 
>> ! I know to whom that stuff belongs to !... and the second... How dare you 
>> take pictures of my equipment and hang it your conf. room (we don't buy roof 
>> access from them)  !...
>> 
>> To me personally, the former feeling overcame the latter reaction... and I 
>> actually felt proud of our little Cluster that someone viewed presentable 
>> enough to put in their conf. room.
>> 
>> Having said that.. if you are not the copyright owner of the photo.. then 
>> why does it bother you at all ? Hopefully you should feel proud that picture 
>> of an actual facility you know is being liked by others and being promoted 
>> on the net... 
>> 
>> and that is IMHO !
>> 
>> Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and your mileage may vary !.
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
>> <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>> 
>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 7:38:33 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX
>> I am not the copyright owner of the photo in question. This is only a 
>> request. 
>> Please stop using the photo of the Westin Building 1901 fiber meet-me room 
>> to advertise the Missouri IX. 
>> 
>> Property owners and ISPs in the Pacific Northwest have spent a great deal of 
>> time, money and effort building traffic exchange infrastructure.
>> 
>> In my opinion is not an accurate or factual depiction of whatever facilities 
>> may currently exist in Missouri to use a photograph from a carrier hotel in 
>> downtown Seattle.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Migration Consultant

[Justin Wilson]

Talk to Scott and Mark from On-Ramp.  Very versed in office 365 and exchange.  
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> we used progent a few times for that, flawless
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> Hey
> 
> We are looking into migrating our Exchange Server to Exchange 365, although  
> we have the in-house tech guys to attack this feast, we prefer to outsource 
> it and focus on all our tasks on hand.  
> 
> Any recommendations? 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] WISP tower and construction cost

[Justin Wilson]

We have a tower construction guy.  Certs, Insurance, stacked for government 
agencies, tons of references.  Hit me off list if you want a turnkey quote.

Justin


> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> I a.m. currently building a 300' guyed sabre. The tower steel cost 28k 
> delivered. I expect it to cost about 30k to construct but I'll let you know. 
> 2 carrier with 2ea 6 foot dishes
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017, 3:36 PM Eric Muehleisen  > wrote:
> A few years back during the broadband stimulus days, we priced a couple tower 
> builds. I'm polling the audience to see if these prices still hold up.
> 
> - 150ft. Nello self supporter - $39k
> - 195' Saber guyed tower - $42k
> 
> Those prices included freight, concrete, crane rental and stacking labor. I'm 
> sure costs have gone up, but broadly speaking, are we still in the same 
> ballpark?
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing helmets

[Justin Wilson]

https://toweroneinc.com/collections/helmets 


These folks are WISPA members and great supporters of the WISP community. You 
have probably seen Lee and Nick at the shows.

Justin




> On May 16, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
> 
> +100 GME
> 
> On 05/16/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Petzl, I just got mine from Tessco but I'd look at GME next time
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>> It's time for new climbing helmets.  What are your favorites and where do 
>> you get them?
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> A Better Wireless
> 218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing infrastructure you put in

[Justin Wilson]

Becoming a CLEC greatly depends on your state and the requirements.   Any of 
these have been relaxed so you don’t need to be a full blown CLEC to have right 
of way access.  Having said that, I would look at having conduit access as a 
possible revenue stream.  It can be a double edged sword.  

Several years ago we had a project in my county where natural gas lines were 
extended to an industrial park on the edge of town.  I tried to get the town 
talked into letting me drop conduit in while things were dug up. I never was 
able to get anywhere.  I knew I did not have the infrastructure at the time to 
utilize it, but I knew enough that it would have been beneficial to have it in 
the ground.  

Fast forward 7 years later and a regional carrier comes along.  The town has to 
pay 350k to have conduit installed along that path in order to get fiber to a 
hospital.  There was no way I would have ever received that grant, but if I 
would have had conduit in the ground I could have leased or sold a duct for a 
pretty penny.  

I know that got a little off topic, but don’t totally close yourself of to 
sharing of the conduit.  Sharing doesn’t mean free.

Justin




> On May 21, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Nope.  Your duct, your duct.  
> Yes,  in some cases the LEC has to share.  
>  
> The only way you can be forced to share is if that was in the easement or 
> other ROW agreements.  
> I see no reason to become a CLEC anymore.  
>  
> From: Paul McCall <>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:54 AM
> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sharing infrastructure you put in
>  
> I have some questions on those that are doing buried fiber.  We have not 
> filed a CLEC status yet as I have contract review going with my uniquely 
> grandfathered access to a local fiber ring, and want to make sure I don't 
> mess that up.  So, that aside.
>  
> If my company puts in conduit in a right away to push fiber into and then 
> someone else comes along, do we have to share that conduit with anyone (if 
> there is room)?  My perception going the other way, is that if the LEC has 
> conduit in place, the LEC may or may not have to share conduit space, and 
> can't make reasons or excused or very long delays etc., to ultimately deter 
> you from being able to do that.
>  
> I a considering doing conduit to 3 1000+ communities and then FTTH in those 
> communities and don't feel great if I am in anyway also setting it up for a 
> competitor to have access to my hard fought efforts (and $$) to get in 
> installed.
>  
> Is there ANY I could be forced to give them access to my conduit?
>  
> Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Justin Wilson]

Things I have looked for in an employer.

1.Ongoing education opportunities.  Certifications especially.  
2.Gear and gadgets.  I don’t have to have a new laptop every year, but a 
regular swap out cycle is important.  Same thing for phone and other gadgets.  
3.Being a network admin I usually end up working late and weird hours.  Comp 
time was always nice to have.  This doesn’t apply to most techs so that was 
something I negotiated as part of my package.
4.Some sort of retirement.  401k, profit sharing, something.  
5.Being on top of making deductions changes, and stuff is an important 
“benefit”.  Making sure the w2s go out n time each year, etc.

Justin




> On May 11, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?
> 
> Paul McCall wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they get 2 
>> weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>> 
>> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I 
>> only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90 
>> days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall > > wrote:
>> 
>>OK,
>> 
>>Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
>>to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
>>good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
>>care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
>>insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
>>find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
>>considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>> 
>>So, my points of concern are:
>> 
>>Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
>>coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
>>typically offered?
>> 
>>401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
>>company would match?, other create elements ?
>> 
>>Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
>>one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
>>a benefit
>> 
>>(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
>>company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>> 
>>Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
>>interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>> 
>>Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>> 
>>Paul
>> 
>>Paul McCall, President
>> 
>>PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>> 
>>658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>772-564-6800 
>> 
>>pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> 
>>www.pdmnet.com 
>> 
>>www.floridabroadband.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

[Justin Wilson]

We are doing tunnels to give customers IPs who can’t justify or afford a full 
/24.  Since a /24 is the smallest you can really advertise swipping someone a 
/25 or smaller that is not directly connected to your network does you no good. 
 A group buy tends to be a very painful process.

ARIN has policies and time limits for transfers and such.  I believe you can’t 
do anything with a block until 30 days after you have it transferred to you.  
Even then there are restrictions.

Justin Wilson
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> On Apr 10, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You would have to have one org "own" the block and lease it out to third 
> parties, same general idea as a large scale hosting/colocation/virtual server 
> company that might give a /26 or a /25 to a medium sized customer, with 
> service contract and LOA. In this case all of the smaller pieces of the block 
> would logically be customers of the owner of the block.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us 
> <mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
> On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That's just about the finance aspect, though.
> 
> ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
> get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
> than saving a few bucks.
> 
> 
> Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification 
> aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it up in 
> the parking lot between orgs.
> 
> ~Seth
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

[Justin Wilson]

The line guys would do the following at the local phone company I worked out 
many many years ago.  I am sure there are lots of better ways to do it with 
modern processes.

The cared about a few things.  Where can I find the splice points? Where can I 
find vaults? Where are my slack points on the path and how much is left or do I 
have? How do I do all this in the middle of the night during the rain? During 
install it was specified where the slack loops happen.  They would care about 
the overall material used when running cable.  If they ran down a road to a 
vault all they cared about was how much length off the spool was used. This was 
documented.  

Once everything was installed the certification notes were included in the 
construction closeout drawings and put in an appendix at the back of the book.  
The linemen did not care about such things. 

I typical do not see fiber being in a twisted pair type of configuration.  Not 
sure what everyone else uses, but all the ones I pull apart are side by side.  
I think there is even a “how it’s made” on fiber optic cable and it has a 
machine that makes sure they do not get twisted.

Just my .02.


Justin Wilson
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> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I started a spreadsheet to document a fiber line.  I figure I'll make a new 
> file for each cable, a worksheet for notes on the cable as a whole, a 
> worksheet for each buffer tube, and a color coded column for each fiber.  
> Each row will be 100'.  My thought was, if I have a splice enclosure 4200' 
> down the line, I'll go down to row 42 and enter "Splice enclosure on pole 
> 305".  Then I can note on each fiber whether it passes through the enclosure, 
> or note what it splices to, including a reference to another file if 
> necessary. 
> 
> I understand they used to do something similar with 3-ring binders for 
> mapping the pairs on phone lines.
> 
> The first question I ran into was which distance do I go by:
> The actual distance the line has traveled
> The cable length, which will be ~15-20% longer due to slack loops
> The fiber length, which will be longer still due to the built in 
> twist.but is easily measurable with an OTDR.
> All three somehow?
> 
> Is this even a smart method?  Plan B is to use GIS.  I can add every pole, 
> cable, and enclosure as objects in their actual location with properties 
> describing the actual distance, cable length, fiber length and anything else 
> I want.
> 
> That would be technically better, but I'm the only one here who can use the 
> GIS software whereas any boob can type into a spreadsheet.  If I use a Google 
> sheet then multiple people can use the same sheets and fill them in from 
> their phone. 
> 
> I'm sure these problems have been solved before, so what do you all do?

Re: [AFMUG] New IP block

[Justin Wilson]

For new IP blocks it is great for letting you know if someone else is 
advertising it somewhere without digging through the global routing table.
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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> On Apr 1, 2017, at 2:05 AM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
> 
> Prefix hijack notifications, peer changes, etc. Hijack includes more specific 
> advertisements. Say you have a /22 and some dickbag starts advertising one of 
> your /24s.
> 
> On 4/1/2017 12:42 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> What does BGPmon do exactly?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] New IP block

[Justin Wilson]

1.If you can research where the block came from that will help.  Was it 
assigned somewhere else? Or is it part of space IANA released?
2.Make sure your POCs are up to date.
3.Make sure you have a reverse DNS server setup.  Very important if you have 
mail servers you are going to put on these blocks.
4.Once you have the blocks notify your upstreams.  
5.Subscribe to something like BGPmon to make your life simpler.

Just some things off the top of my head.



Justin Wilson
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> On Mar 31, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> So, Paul's thread has me a bit concerned about activating a new IP block that 
> I got through ARIN. Up to this point I've just used addresses delegated by my 
> upstream​. In the next few weeks I'm going to be bringing my own addresses 
> on-net.
> 
> Anyone have a "checklist" of things that need be done to get this working 
> correctly?

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

[Justin Wilson]

Our site was a backhaul, an rb750, and an Omni.  We had tons of issues with it 
until we upgraded to 24volt.  Under load it would draw more amperage and things 
would suffer.   Had another similar site and it’s issues went away after an 
upgrade to 24 volt. 

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> Justin,
> 
> Our planned load for this site is only 70 watts for two backhauls, an omni, 
> and netonix. This should be well within range of the 155 watt power supply, 
> no? Our ethernet runs are also only 30 feet or less.
> 
> I also don't see that the voltage is adjustable on the AD-155 though? Spec 
> sheet doesn't mention it or have a picture of that.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage.  You will run into an amperage 
> issues pretty quickly.  Seen a 12-13 volt site with 1 backhaul and an omni 
> run into amperage issues within a week.  Voltage is fine, just way too much 
> amperage.  It’s not worth the headache.
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/> Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
>> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I see 
>> two options after reviewing the WISPA archives.
>> 
>> The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v 
>> batteries powering a Netonix DC switch.
>> 
>> The second option we were looking at is just doing the AD-155A with one 12v 
>> battery but I see the charging current is only 0.5 amps and voltage is only 
>> 13.3V which is not an optimal float voltage.
>> 
>> My question is, to keep cost down, would we be OK going the AD-155A route 
>> with the slightly lower float voltage with a 35ah battery? We're ok with the 
>> battery taking longer to charge but I'm just most worried if the 13.3V will 
>> wreck the battery or not.
>> 
>> Thanks all
>> 
>> -- 
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
> 507-634-WiFi
>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

[Justin Wilson]

Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage.  You will run into an amperage 
issues pretty quickly.  Seen a 12-13 volt site with 1 backhaul and an omni run 
into amperage issues within a week.  Voltage is fine, just way too much 
amperage.  It’s not worth the headache.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I see 
> two options after reviewing the WISPA archives.
> 
> The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v 
> batteries powering a Netonix DC switch.
> 
> The second option we were looking at is just doing the AD-155A with one 12v 
> battery but I see the charging current is only 0.5 amps and voltage is only 
> 13.3V which is not an optimal float voltage.
> 
> My question is, to keep cost down, would we be OK going the AD-155A route 
> with the slightly lower float voltage with a 35ah battery? We're ok with the 
> battery taking longer to charge but I'm just most worried if the 13.3V will 
> wreck the battery or not.
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
> 507-634-WiFi
>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Justin Wilson]

Todd Rundgren  - Hate my fricking ISP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMsMeoXvq2A 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMsMeoXvq2A>



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> On Mar 7, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Tool is just awful.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>  
> no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
> 
> That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a few 
> hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the 
> opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely by 
> Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
> 
> Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> > A little Monday fun.
> >
> > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
> >
> > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I was sick 
> > of it.
> >
> > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
> >
> > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort zone.
> >
> > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got me through 
> > it all.
> >
> > I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain to fix 
> > another POS radio problem, lol!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4 
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4>
> >
> > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
> >
> >
> > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> > Rise above the obstacles
> > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
> > Things that I already know (I know)
> > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
> > Take another point of view
> > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
> > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
> > --> You've got to believe in yourself
> > or no one Will believe in you
> > Imagination like a bird on the wing
> > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
> > I can't believe they stop and stare
> > And point their fingers doubting me
> > Their disbelief suppresses them
> > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
> > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
> > Mountains move before my eyes
> > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
> > Speculation of the wise
> >
> >
> > -
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 - Release Date: 03/06/17
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Outsource Sales

[Justin Wilson]

I have seen folks hire an “old guy” that is retired or semi-retired to do 
sales.  It depends on the volume you are looking to do. The “old guy” approach 
has worked well for the 4 or so I know who do it. 


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> On Mar 6, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Wireless Administrator <wirel...@htn.net> wrote:
> 
> Over time I’ve seen plenty of discussion about outsourcing technical support. 
>  
>  
> Does anyone have experience outsourcing the sales process?  I’m talking about 
> new internet access account  signup process not marketing.  
>  
> Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Justin Wilson]

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic.

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 


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> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> 
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
> support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet 
> wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>  
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
> the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
> based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama. 
>  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
> maintenance free. 
>  
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
> came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
> about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or 
> anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to 
> filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a 
> multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute 
> garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You 
> don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the 
> time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You 
> won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  
> Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>  
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it 
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to 
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good 
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do 
> not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never 
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t 
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>  
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
> PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
> then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
> related discussions
>  
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
> others too …
>  
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
> the infrastructure (which I do) 
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
> draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
> $100/month each.
>  
> b

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage

[Justin Wilson]

https://ir.netflix.com/events.cfm <https://ir.netflix.com/events.cfm>

financials are there.


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> On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> $12B per year?
> $12B per month is staggering.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 3/1/2017 12:44:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage
> 
>> Haven't fact check it, but I heard today Netflix is pulling in something 
>> like $12 Billion a month now.
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017 11:39 AM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com 
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>> At the peak downloads of Netscape browser back in '97 we were _netting_ a 
>> million per day.   That was back in 1997.   yeah, I could pretty much spend 
>> anything I wanted to keep the downloads going.   We foresaw a bump in 
>> downloads coming for the 2.0 browser and I went out and picked up $200K in 
>> SGI processors off their loading dock overnight with a credit card purchase 
>> (Amex Black for the win)...We were very small fry compared to what's 
>> going on now.   Probably multiply those numbers by 10K or even 100K for 
>> today.
>> 
>> On 03/01/2017 09:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> I was reading an article the other day that referenced that youtube
>> users upload 400 hours of video every minute, or 65 years of video every
>> day.  Is my math right in showing that at an average of 2.5mb/s for the
>> video size, that's 600 TB of data per day being uploaded?  Given
>> redundant copies being made, Youtube is bringing online over a Petabyte
>> per day of storage.
>> 
>> Since I've only been involved with Small businesses, wrapping my head
>> around this amount of storage and $$$ is hard.
>> 
>> Realizing that Google is custom, I'll use Backblaze for some math.
>> Backblaze will do 45 drives in 4U@600w power draw  47U rack height = 11
>> 4U boxes = 495HD /rack  If they're 8tb drives, that's 4PB/rack. If
>> Google is paying 1/2 retail cost for drives, that's $175/drive, or $90k
>> per rack (+ Hardware)  6.6kw power draw (+ Cooling).
>> 
>> So every 4 Days, they spend $100k in Hardware, and increases their
>> electric bill by 8kw?
>> 
>> I guess when you're dealing with Billions of Dollars, a $100k every
>> couple days' isn't such a big deal.

[AFMUG] Friday for Sale

[Justin Wilson]

Have the following for Sale:

4X RF Armor for UBNT 900 MHZ sector $50 a piece plus shipping
All are new in box.  Never been deployed or out of box.


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Re: [AFMUG] Huffington Post article on Rural Connectivity

[Justin Wilson]

Is there a reason the Local WISP is not mentioned by name in this article? Good 
press for Cambium but someone missed the boat on the company providing the 
service.


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> On Feb 24, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Ray Savich <ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Cyber Broadcast and Cambium Networks connect a town and bridges the digital 
> divide. This article is published in the Huffington Post.
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-a-small-town-in-illinois-is-bridging-the-digital_us_58b048f3e4b0658fc20f9416
>  
> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-a-small-town-in-illinois-is-bridging-the-digital_us_58b048f3e4b0658fc20f9416>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Justin Wilson]

This is from Andy at Bridgemaxx.

In all cases, they would be riding along customer traffic, so probably only a 
few hundred mbps available .. 104.37.102.206  speedtest / bridgemaxx



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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep between 1 10 and 1 20 past Ft
> Stockton there are thousands of them 
> ..
> 
> On Feb 17, 2017 3:55 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com 
> <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
> The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive a 
> couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is littered 
> with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and half of them 
> are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring prairie than these 
> things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too much. I sure wouldn't 
> want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy. 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that 
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the 
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and 
> concrete blocks to clean up.
> 
>  
> 
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> 
>  
> 
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year 
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the 
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30 years. 
> There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal, going 
> into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will return the 
> property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
> 
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when I 
> looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with that 
> much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it just means 
> it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> 
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/ 
> > <h

Re: [AFMUG] Current Market Value

[Justin Wilson]

Last few successful sales i have seen boil down to one of two formulas.

Formula 1
18 Months for residential
24 for commercial
In this formula assets such as IP space were figured in. 


Formula 2
Customer asset purchase.  1.3-1.5X annual revenue.  Other assets such as 
towers, Ip space were negotiated separately. 


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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> 
> What is the current market value for a WISP?  
> 
> I've posted this before years ago and it hasn't changed much from my 
> experience. Its always been 12-16 months of your average revenue per customer 
> (ARPU). It depends on the equipment and all the rest.  We've sold before and 
> we know what others have sold for. SO we generally have a good idea what a 
> WISP is worth.  
> 
> Now what if it were done with all the lower cost equipment (Mikrotik, 
> Ubiquiti) which is fine in many situations but we have all Cambium?  We'd 
> have to replace it all to fit it into our system. In all honesty we'd replace 
> everything and probably take a couple years or more to get our return on 
> investment which is fine.  But if someone is asking a great deal more it 
> isn't worth it.  
> 
> There are other factors such as strategic locations. IP space and all the 
> rest.   However in our case we are already expanding in that direction and 
> thought this would be the quicker path.  We'll spend about the same in the 
> next years putting up all new locations and equipment anyway.  
> 
> What is your opinion on the situation of someone who is asking way way way 
> more than what the market dictates?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Hosting recommendation

[Justin Wilson]

talk to Scott at On-Ramp.  I am not familiar with Expression Engine but he 
would be a good start.

sc...@staff.ori.net



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> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend that is asking me for help selecting a new web hosting 
> location for an active domain. It requires basic hosting functions (SQL, 
> Perl, PHP, etc)... but he would also like to find someone that can help 
> maintain, update, etc. the website backend and filtering attacks, etc. I 
> think the main site is using Expression Engine for the backend.
> 
> He is willing to pay for the hosting as well as maintenance and such.
> 
> Travis
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Force10 Masters

[Justin Wilson]

I have a client running a bunch of old Force10 stuff in a cabletv system.  I 
wouldn’t call myself a master but I can do vlans, and other basic stuff with 
them.

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> On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Are there, by chance, any Force10 networking switch masters out there?
> 
> Someone who really, really knows there way around the old Force10 switches, 
> particularly the S4810P.
> 
> The NON-DELL verion of the hardware.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Justin Wilson]

We do a lot of tunnels back to a few data centers and an Amazon instance. 

If you are talking Radius it’s always good to have one one-site at least.

I like these:
http://www.acmemicro.com/Product/2923/Supermicro-SC523L-520B-2U-Chassis-14-5-in-Depth-2x3-5-in-Internal-Front-I-O-ATX-520W-Black-CSE-523L-520B?gclid=CjwKEAiA8JbEBRCz2szzhqrx7H8SJAC6FjXXyDkNekNGkmQnFtGCWCy377xr_yXMbL--K3Cgo_vVwxoCl2Dw_wcB
 
<http://www.acmemicro.com/Product/2923/Supermicro-SC523L-520B-2U-Chassis-14-5-in-Depth-2x3-5-in-Internal-Front-I-O-ATX-520W-Black-CSE-523L-520B?gclid=CjwKEAiA8JbEBRCz2szzhqrx7H8SJAC6FjXXyDkNekNGkmQnFtGCWCy377xr_yXMbL--K3Cgo_vVwxoCl2Dw_wcB>



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> On Jan 23, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> When working with a smaller remotely located network, is your preference to 
> install a server on that network for monitoring and such, or to just tunnel 
> back to your main location for monitoring?
> 
> I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where I 
> could install a shallow rack-mount server for some simple VMs. Specifically, 
> One site is restricted to about 20" deep and 4U, and another restricted to 
> about 12" deep and 1U. I wouldn't need much processing power, so some older 
> servers could be sufficient.
> 
> I'm debating whether to go through the effort of finding and setting up small 
> servers to do monitoring, RADIUS, etc directly on the network, or to just 
> continue using my main location with tunnels.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

[Justin Wilson]

Look at the following in your smoking.cgi


step (mandatory setting)
Duration of the base operation interval of SmokePing in seconds. SmokePing will 
venture out every step seconds to ping your target hosts. If 
'concurrent_probes' is set to 'yes' (see above), this variable can be 
overridden by each probe. Note that the step in the RRD files is fixed when 
they are originally generated, and if you change the step parameter afterwards, 
you'll have to delete the old RRD files or somehow convert them.


By default the step is 300 seconds and 20 pings.  This means it will ping 20 
times in a 5 minute interval.


IMHO pinging every second is a little bit excessive, but to each their own.  
Even on aggressive hosts I have mine set to 10 seconds.  

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> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:
> 
> I want a ping to every device, every second. 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you meaning only 1 ping per second to each device? Or is it only sending 
>> 1 ping to device a, then the next second is sends a ping to device b (likes 
>> its not multithreded)?
>> 
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each 
>>> time. Any alternatives or suggestions? 
>>> 
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

[Justin Wilson]

Are you meaning only 1 ping per second to each device? Or is it only sending 1 
ping to device a, then the next second is sends a ping to device b (likes its 
not multithreded)?


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> On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:
> 
> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each time. 
> Any alternatives or suggestions? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Way to implement dual stack IPv4/6

[Justin Wilson]

But, as with anything, you have tradeoffs.

Routers MUST support the assignment of /127 prefixes on point-to-
   point inter-router links.  Routers MUST disable Subnet-Router anycast
   for the prefix when /127 prefixes are used.


Anything longer than a /64 will break SLAAC, neighbor discovery, and other v6 
“stuff”.  If you don’t need these then a /127 is for you. Just know the 
downsides of a /64 vs a /127. The RFC says you can do it, but it conflicts with 
the before mentioned V6 stuff.   Frankly I don’t care about conserving IPV6 
space.  



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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
> 
> On 1/15/17 8:08 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>> -assign a /64 for point to point links (aka the equivalent of /30s).
>> Again, don’t think in terms of host count.  anything smaller than /64’s
>> breaks things.  Some providers out there assign smaller blocks, but it
>> breaks things and isn’t RFC. Using a /128 is a hot debate at the moment.
>> Some folks are willing to live with the stuff that is broken. The whole
>> /127 or /128 debate came up due to security concerns mainly.
> 
> 
> Use of /127 on router links is RFC 6164
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6164
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Way to implement dual stack IPv4/6

[Justin Wilson]

Yes, Customers should get /56s.  The accepted rule was customers should get 
/48s, but in an ISP environment the “customer” is the POP.  Some other things.

-Don’t worry about host count.  It’s ipv6.  Throw the numbers out the window.  
Think in terms of subnets and proper boundaries.  Count subnets, not addresses
-Do not assign customers from POP aggregates
-Use iBGP to carry customer ips
-Don’t aggregate until you get into ebgp
-assign a /64 for point to point links (aka the equivalent of /30s).  Again, 
don’t think in terms of host count.  anything smaller than /64’s breaks things. 
 Some providers out there assign smaller blocks, but it breaks things and isn’t 
RFC. Using a /128 is a hot debate at the moment.  Some folks are willing to 
live with the stuff that is broken. The whole /127 or /128 debate came up due 
to security concerns mainly.
-Just like in IPV4 space. separate blocks for loopbacks and do /128s
-Static assignments for customer space is a losing battle.  v6 has many 
mechanisms built in.


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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Customers should get /56s.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 6:28:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Way to implement dual stack IPv4/6
> 
> Butch has a practical class on IPV6 which included, years ago,  a template 
> for this.  It isn't as challenging as you might think. We did it about 5 
> years ago. 
> 
> If I remember right,  we assigned a /48 to our server network,  another /48 
> for our backbone, every tower got a /48, and every customer got a /64. All of 
> that was based on the guidance initially provided by ARIN, or at least I 
> think that's where it came from. Here is a chart that lists the number of ip 
> in each that might help.
> http://www.potato-people.com/blog/2009/02/ipv6-subnet-size-reference-table/ 
> <http://www.potato-people.com/blog/2009/02/ipv6-subnet-size-reference-table/>
> 
> Now going 100% v6 is another story. Not trouble free or easy. Never got that 
> far. 
> 
> On Jan 15, 2017 1:09 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I think we all need this.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mitch Koep Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 
> 9:58 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Best Way to 
> implement dual stack IPv4/6 
> Need some advise on implementing dual stack.
> 
> Best practice or practical.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> 219-851-8689  cell

Re: [AFMUG] Email address

[Justin Wilson]

I registered mtin.net in 2000.  Have had my e-mail since then,

Still have two .edu addresses I have had since 1993.  Have a compuserve e-mail 
that surprisingly still works since 1991. Alas, my Qink address stopped working 
4 years ago.  It was older than compuserve. 


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> On Jan 11, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not at 18 years but probably 10 years and going strong.  I used a private 
> school mail server for a while and then Gmail starting 2005.
> 
> Waitthat's 12 yearsomg
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
> I send all kinds of info via email financial reports, business secrets 
> and even credit card numbers. I've never had a single issue, in 18 years. 
> Guess I'm just lucky. LOL
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> On 1/11/2017 12:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> All the leaks reported were at least 2 years ago. I've since changed my 
> passwords, and I don't put important stuff in email without precautions 
> anyway. I always advise people that email is not secure.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> On 1/10/2017 10:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I'm guessing yours was involved in the recent leak? :)
> 
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> My personal email has been on yahoo since 1994. Kind of amazing to me.
> 
> Don't give me any snide remarks about yahoo. It's actually worked pretty
> well; I even have emails going back that far.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> 
> On 1/10/2017 4:48 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just realized today that I have had the same email address for 18.5
> years. I'm on every spam and mailing list ever created. LOL
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

[Justin Wilson]

The VLAN method does work.  You can also do a full duplex link utilizing two 
sets of radios.  This has been around for quite some time.  But that also 
assumes you have radios of the same relative capacity.
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What Eric said.
>  
> Except, I believe you said the two links were of unequal capacity.  OSPF 
> can't natively load balance unequal paths.  If you set them to equal cost, 
> you'll actually get 2x the capacity of the smaller link, and the larger link 
> will be underutilized.  There was a trick somebody posted here a few weeks 
> ago where you create a set of VLAN's on each path and do equal cost load 
> balancing on the VLAN's instead of the real paths.  Basically if one path was 
> 3x bigger than the other, then create 3x as many VLAN's on that path.  
>  
> I haven't tried it yetseems plausible though.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: 12/30/2016 6:00:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges
>  
>> Hit enter too soon. If you want two parallel PTP links between two sites, 
>> sharing traffic equally. Assuming both radio links are identical equipment 
>> and identical speed capability. Set the same OSPF cost on the router 
>> interfaces both ends. 
>> 
>> This is logically the same thing as putting two routers next to each other 
>> in a test lab environment, and running two patch cables between them in an 
>> OSPF area 0, equal cost path configuration.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> You should not be extending layer 2 switch fabrics over PTP microwave.
>> 
>> One router at each site.
>> 
>> Each router gets a /32 OSPF loopback address.
>> 
>> One OSPF /30 per radio link.
>> 
>> The only MAC addresses that should exist on the radio link (which is itself 
>> a L2 bridge) are the single MACs for the router interfaces on each end.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Ty Featherling <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I have my network setup with a common bridge (bridgeWAN) setup on each 
>> router in an area. The backhaul in goes into this bridge and any backhauls 
>> to further sites do as well. OSPF sorts out the default path and the bridge 
>> gets them there in one IP hop. I have a major site that I am added a second 
>> backhaul link to the upstream direction today (Airfiber 5x multiplexer for 
>> the win). I am trying to figure out how to bond these two backhauls from 
>> bridgeWAN on router A to bridgeWAN on router B. Any way to share the load 
>> across those links would be great. If I just plug them in spanning tree 
>> shuts one down. The real kink in the works may be that they have different 
>> capacities. What can I do? 
>> 
>> 
>> -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Justin Wilson]

PC or Mac? I am assuming PC.

https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Ethernet-Chromebook-Specific-TU3-ETG/dp/B00FFJ0RKE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1482202404=8-3=usb+to+ethernet+trendnet
 
<https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Ethernet-Chromebook-Specific-TU3-ETG/dp/B00FFJ0RKE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1482202404=8-3=usb+to+ethernet+trendnet>
If it has usb 3.0.

If not, just look at the other trend net stuff.  been solid for a couple of 
folks I know.




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> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?  I 
> just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans a RJ45 
> Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same? 
> 
> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Justin Wilson]

Twitch players try to get viral videos going.  There are a lot of “gamer girls” 
who play ion bikinis and such.   Do a search for “twitch gamer girl”.  Many of 
barely safe for work.  


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> On Dec 5, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> The ones I watch are a Mario Maker player and some other guy with good music. 
>  I love watching people play the crazy Kaizo levels and since I can't sit 
> down long enough to practice the stuff, it's the only option I have.
> 
> Other people I really have no idea.  I don't know why you'd pay $5/mo for the 
> chat icons.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> What does the player do to make someone else want to watch them play?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: 12/5/2016 12:42:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch
>  
>> I don't know the appeal or logic behind it, but a Twitch user will get 
>> subscribers.  A viewer spends $5/mo to sponsor them.  I believe the Twitch 
>> broadcaster gets 3 of that.
>> 
>> Decently popular ones get 500-1000 subs which is $1500 to $3000 a month 
>> (18-36k/year).
>> 
>> Their only cost is a good computer, some gaming stuff, and some sort of 
>> appeal.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
>> <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
>> hehe.. oh I like that idea! ;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
>>> <mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why your customers ask for big pipes. You have to understand your 
>>> customers. So this time is dedicated to „customer relationship“ ;-). <>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im 
>>> Auftrag von Paul Stewart
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2016 13:47
>>> An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch
>>>  
>>> I’ve asked Mrs. Clause to get me one for Christmas.. I love new tech…
>>>  
>>> My problem, and of course i’m not alone, is I don’t really have much time 
>>> to sit down and play games …. I enjoy them though ….
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
>>> <mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> As a technic enthusiast I am very impressed what Sony does with their PS 
>>> VR. It is not like 3d movie in theater it is a whole new experience. Just 
>>> dive into Rush of Blood and you are flashed. Like Apple they bring a new 
>>> technic in a way people like it. The headset is very well built and the 
>>> cabling is explained in a way everyone is able to do it. This is something 
>>> like the iPad1 you should have.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im 
>>> Auftrag von Mike Hammett
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2016 13:26
>>> An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch
>>>  
>>> I enjoy them and used to enjoy spending lots of time at it (40+ hours per 
>>> week), I simply haven't had the time for it in years.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is best way to get my public IP address subnet and Gateway information?

[Justin Wilson]

If you don’t want to drop via command line you need an App. On most operating 
systems this is system level information so access to it has to be granted. 
thinks like this for Windows 
10:https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/ip-address/9wzdncrfhvf3 
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/ip-address/9wzdncrfhvf3>

Even at that most apps will just display the Ip address.  If you want to get 
creative you can do things like GeekTool on Mac.  


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> On Dec 2, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Someome asked me this, I usually use IP chicken but they need subnet and GW..
> Ideas?
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for used epmp 2.4 AP

[Justin Wilson]

Im in for $100. Like I said I need one for testing.  

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> On Dec 2, 2016, at 3:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> we are grinding horseradish tomorrow, I bed 16 oz fresh goodness and a 
> handful of screws
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:18 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
> $0.07
> 
> On 12/2/2016 12:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> NIB, never used.  Open bidding starts now.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Justin Wilson
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 11:43 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for used epmp 2.4 AP
> 
> I need a single used ePMP 2.4 AP. This is for testing so the cheaper the 
> better. Not concerned about GPS sync if it means cheaper.
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Looking for used epmp 2.4 AP

[Justin Wilson]

I need a single used ePMP 2.4 AP. This is for testing so the cheaper the 
better. Not concerned about GPS sync if it means cheaper.

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Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

[Justin Wilson]

http://wirelessestimator.com/content/standards/eia_tia_222/protective-grounding-standard
 
<http://wirelessestimator.com/content/standards/eia_tia_222/protective-grounding-standard>

this is a good start.

https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf
 
<https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf>



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> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard it’s good to ground multiple places, like up by the radio, down by 
> the turn to the ice bridge and inside the shelter, but how do you that (and 
> is it necessary) with CAT5e/6? Do you strip a section off the insulation and 
> tie the drain wire to multiple ground lugs? Sounds hard to do and not get 
> water in the cable. I just have been running surge suppressors inside the 
> building that the cable plugs into before heading to the switches/etc. What 
> should I be doing?

Re: [AFMUG] Pre terminated fiber assemblies

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Pre-Terminated-Fiber-Assembly

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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've got a project that I need a Pre terminated fiber assembly to pull 
> through a conduit.   What vendors are people using for this these days? Want 
> pulling eyes and stuff on it.
> 
> Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442 <http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442>
Some Cliff Notes



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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
> 
> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it works vs 
> having us all listen to a webinar :?
>  
>  
> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
> <http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5> – MTCNA, 
> MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>  
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
> <http://www.towercoverage.com/>
> Office: 314-735-0270
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Steve D
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
> To: af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>  
> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?  
>  
> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>  
> -Steve D
>  
> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>  
> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be 
> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside) If 
> thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz? I 
> assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally 
> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network 
> into epmp in one move
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 25% is what I remember.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>  
> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low 
> though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last number 
> I heard.
> 
>  
> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making more 
> money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and delivered. Lol
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
> still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per 
> hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real 
> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real 
> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or 
> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a 
> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume 
> is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
> Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com 
> <mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
> 
> check the Release Notes for complete details
> 
> Loco M5 XW
> Loco M5 XM
> NanoStation M5 XW
> NanoStation M5 XM
> NanoBridge M5 XM
> Rocket M5 XM
> Rocket M5 XW
> Powerbeam M5 XW
> Airgrid M5HP XW
> Airgrid M5 XM
> NanoBeam M5 XW
> ePMP Elevate Developments
> 
> RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
> 
> XM + XW model
> Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
> 
> MikroTik Support - Alp

Re: [AFMUG] Boots for climbing

[Justin Wilson]

There is a thread on the tower climbers Facebook about this older thread.  Lots 
of good things there.
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> On Oct 7, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:
> 
> May have been a conversation of the past, but thought I’d throw it out for 
> discussion.  What do all you tower climbers out there use for a work boot?  
> I’ve used Wolverine’s for awhile now and to me has been a pretty good pair of 
> boots.  Durable and comfortable, seem to hold up on tower rungs and what not. 
>  However, I’ve had this pair for a bit now, and am looking to buy a new pair, 
> but before I do, I’m curious as to what’s the best.  I’m considering a steel 
> shank, steel toe, option, as my currents are only steel toe, but not sure if 
> it’s worth it.  What say you, group?
>  
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Another large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Justin Wilson]

Ignorance is what you have to fight against though.  I know folks who have bad 
BGP setups and it works for them. When their bad configuration becomes my issue 
and either loses me revenue or causes my support costs to go it becomes a 
priority. For example, I can’t get to my cloud hosted accounting, but more 
importantly a couple of clients who need to pay can’t either.   If you are 
participating in BGP you should either have someone to call or you should know 
it yourself.  If your own house is a mess thats fine, but if your  misconfigure 
car gets on the road and crashes into a telephone pole it’s not just your 
problem.  Therein lies the issue.  BGP is a very fragile ecosystem when it 
comes down to it.  So is DNS.  The problem is these are like water and oxygen 
to the Internet.  They must exist.   

If anyone out there has a BGP setup they have questions about i would gladly do 
a 15 minute session with them for free and tell them whats being done right and 
what’s being done wrong.


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> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:26 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> 
> I think instead of naming and shaming you'd get more traction if you informed 
> and taught them how to prevent and stop this traffic.  
> 
> Many WISPs don't have the technical know how (or time) to even realize it's 
> happening.  They are just trying to get customers connected.
> 
> I know my network isn't perfect and I'd gladly submit a list of subnets I 
> control to a group that would be willing to tell me what's wrong and how I 
> can fix it so I'm not part of the problem.
> 
> 2 cents
> 
> -Sean 
> 
> On Friday, October 21, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can be 
> used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks:
> 
> https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ 
> <https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/>
> 
> Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring:
> 
> https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/ <https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/>
> https://radar.qrator.net/ <https://radar.qrator.net/>
> 
> 
> Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming 
> and shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is serious, 
> people. Take it seriously.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

[Justin Wilson]

WIX or a wordpress plugin.

http://connectivity.engineer/ <http://connectivity.engineer/> uses a wordpress 
plugin.  This makes it very easy to update content.
http://nbbc.coop/ <http://nbbc.coop/> is another wordpress site

Wordpress takes a little skill, but you can host it yourself. 

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> On Oct 20, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Graham McIntire <gra...@vntx.net> wrote:
> 
> Squarespace.com -- they are great to work with and the sites don't
> look remotely close to the garbage godaddy spits out.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> Working with WIX.  Very similar to the website builder thingy Godaddy tries
>> to sell.
>> 
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:00 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>> 
>> I hate a site that makes you sign up before they give you any info. Wix may
>> be great but that just pisses me off. Have you thought about
>> templatemonster.com? They have tons of templates. I used AWS the last time I
>> put up a new web site and it was pretty easy and I doubt there is anything
>> cheaper. I think Paul recommended it. My site is static and I don't change
>> it. If that doesn't describe what you want and you want some type of CMS
>> then maybe AWS isn't for you.
>> Unlike Wix though, You have to get your domain name, get your template and
>> replace pictures if you don't like the stock, change text with text editor,
>> then load it up to S3.
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so
>>> bad I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is, just
>>> burn it with fire
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.  I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, so they host too.  I already have the domains.
>>>> 
>>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Free?
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wix for sure.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Need to put up another website.  Considering using the Godaddy hosting
>>>>>> service they recommend when you get a new domain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template
>>>>>> service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc.  Too 
>>>>>> lazy
>>>>>> to just old fashioned HTML it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any recommendations?  Few links and  pages and tabs.  Nothing fancy.
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Justin Wilson]

Cyclades makes a pretty decent console server. DIGI as well. You can pick them 
up on eBay quite inexpensive.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digi-CM48-48-ports-RJ45-Serial-Console-Terminal-Server-5687-01-w-Cable-1A-/112163029641
 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digi-CM48-48-ports-RJ45-Serial-Console-Terminal-Server-5687-01-w-Cable-1A-/112163029641>


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> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
>  
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of router 
> via console port.
>  
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>  
> Thanks,
> Tushar

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP repair

[Justin Wilson]

Surplus Wireless Gear.


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> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Check PDMNet and SWG?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Vlad Sedov <v...@atlasok.com 
> <mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:
> Hey folks. Does anyone repair GPS-enabled ePMP-1000 units?
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> vlad
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] everyone should be blocking SMB ports

[Justin Wilson]

Butch Evans has an awesome firewalling script.   It’s worth it to buy it and 
see what is going on.


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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with what Lewis said.  Ports 135-139 and 445 are well known ports 
> assigned to Windows networking and have no business being on the open 
> Internet.
>  
> There should be a strong presumption that outbound traffic on these ports is 
> malicious traffic from a worm like Blaster trying to propagate over the 
> Internet.  Best case, a customer has misconfigured something to send LAN 
> traffic over a WAN connection.
>  
> There are many pros and zero cons to blocking this traffic.  Do not get hung 
> up on the word “blocked”.  This is not a Net Neutrality issue.  NetBIOS/SMB 
> is LAN traffic not WAN traffic, if someone needs it to go site-to-site, then 
> it should be inside something like a VPN.
>  
>  
> From: Stefan Englhardt <mailto:s...@genias.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] everyone should be blocking SMB ports
>  
> We say our customers: You get free unblocked access. So we dont block. <>
> If we see a problem we block and notify the customer.
>  
>  
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im 
> Auftrag von Dave
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. September 2016 16:21
> An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] everyone should be blocking SMB ports
>  
> +1
> 
>  
> On 09/20/2016 09:12 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> On 9/20/2016 10:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> I am a firm believer in the stance that as your ISP, I am not your mommy. 
>>> We did no filtering or firewalling for our customers. The only exception 
>>> being the blocking of certain traffic that had no business being on the 
>>> open Internet. This is one of those things.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 7:21 AM Richard Strittmatter <rich...@mesh.net 
>>> <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
>>>> We block, have for years and years..
>>>>  
>>>> Richard Strittmatter
>>>>  
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:59 AM
>>>> 
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] everyone should be blocking SMB ports
>>>>  
>>>> Yes, block.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:57:44 AM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] everyone should be blocking SMB ports
>>>> 
>>>> Whats the WISP consensus on blocking those ports at the edge? also, whats 
>>>> the best religion? if Ford or Chevy better? Whats the greatest sports team?
>>>>  
>>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Zach Underwood <zunder1...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> My work has its own IP address and get upstream from atnt and charter. 
>>>>> The smb ports are not blocked.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Justin Wilson]

My .02 this is a managed service type of thing.  If they are asking for this 
then you bill at standard hourly rate. Put a transparent PFsense box on their 
connection with BandwidthD http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/ 
<http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/> and NTopPNG.



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> On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't Untangle professional version offer these options and traffic traps? 
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016 9:00 PM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> You can run tcpdump and filter by their IP on the BMU.  It doesn't give much 
> for details, but I have used it before at a customer's request and I was able 
> to at least tell them what IP addresses their network was currently talking 
> to, and run whois on them.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> lol, for my requested purpose other than dpi, i dont think the mutli 10k 
> solution we were quoted was it.
> 
> 
> not being a jerk, but if the unit is on your network, how does it mitigate a 
> ddos? will it speak with my upstream that doesnt support blackholes with bgp?
> is it working with powercode again since it broke operations with powercode?
> will they provide me a document that says theyre legal with the whole "open 
> internet" nonsense
> 
> I really liked them, til we priced them. We invested with netenforcer some 
> time ago, it was great at the time because p2p was so destructive to a 
> network at the time, but once we moved bandidth beyond a couple T1s they 
> decided we needed a good old fashioned no spit raping. I say the same 
> structure in procera... then the powercode break happenned, and I didnt care 
> if it got resolved, it broke.
> 
> 
> I can toss a sniifer on or dump a mirrored port. I think I may have indicated 
> I care more than I do. I was primarily asking if my current environment had a 
> tool that consiststed of this much work: what IP are you curious about? (I 
> input the IP, maybe click my mouse less than 10 times and key in less than 
> ten more digits) and i come bak and have a torchish output saying what 
> happenned.
> 
> if it doesnt stay within that simple of a solution with the gear I have, I 
> dont really care to give the ten percent who arent dicks any different answer 
> than the 90 who are
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> Huh?
> 
> DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?
> 
> You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once to 
> have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management system 
> and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> Procera :P
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> so we got this:
> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We have 
> looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days that we 
> have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then days we are 
> home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us or recommend 
> someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
> --"
> 
> 
> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this 
> you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules, youre 
> cheating us" in a real catty voice
> 
> 
> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the 
> kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with 
> netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
> 
> 
> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We arent 
> providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
> 
> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So whats 
> the best 

Re: [AFMUG] Single mode attenuators needed at 30m

[Justin Wilson]

There is a good chance you may need to.  I have seen 200 foot runs go for 
years, then all of a sudden become “too hot”.  This was noticed when traffic 
levels increased and things became more busy.   Does it have to be single mode? 
I know companies are standardizing more and more on single mode.  But multimode 
still has it’s place.  You can actually get 10 gig multimode.  the cost may be 
higher than just adding in attenuators though.


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> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:20 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
> 
> Do I need to pad my optics at 100ft? Or could someone tell me how to estimate 
> the loss so I can compare to the spec?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower maintenance training

[Justin Wilson]

Contact Jay from Midamerica Towers http://www.midamericatowers.com 
<http://www.midamericatowers.com/>.  He has a couple of towers in Alabama and 
lives in Georgia now.  Jay is a true Tower God and could tell you whats up.

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> On Sep 6, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
> 
> We've got some towers that our climbers are concerned about because they feel 
> the guy wires are loose. We've had them checked by the HAM that built several 
> of our towers including one in question and he said they are fine but there 
> does seem to be a difference in the slack compared to other towers we own.  
> Is there hands on training we can get on tensioning guy wires or is someone 
> in the southeast willing to host two or three people for a few hours for 
> training?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] freestanding 25g max height

[Justin Wilson]

Per Rohn specs 30 feet.

After 40 it starts getting very wobbly.  I would not want to climb a 40+ foot 
unglued rohn, nor depend on it to outlast storms. 

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> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have it in my head that you cannot go more than 35 feet on 25g above the 
> last bracket. 
> 
> We have a customer at an American Tower site adding 20-30 foot of tower to 
> his existing 25g. currently he has 20' with a bracket at ten foot on his 
> shelter (actually its at about 9')
> 
> at what height (minimal antenna load) does spec dictate he needs to guy this 
> thing? Im having a hard time with the spec sheets understanding. (this is 
> excluding whether he actually has AT permission or whether he has the correct 
> base for the additional height, I just dont want our guy hanging gear higher 
> than is safe(ish)
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

[Justin Wilson]

Do you think the telco or Cableco or local fiber company wouldn’t hesitate to 
do it to you? It just makes good business sense to give yourself as much of an 
edge as possible.  Ive been on the receiving end of ATT coming into a property 
and demanding access to the wiring.  When they can sell $14.95 DSL and all your 
customer has to do is plug into the jack next to you it kinda sucks. Ive also 
tried to get into buildings and towns that were monopolized by someone.  Ask 
Chuck Hogg about his latest dealings with a town near him.  The mayor, using a 
franchise agreement, was no friend to Chuck bringing in fiber.  

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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> I find it shameful that this thread is advocating one of the very things that 
> WISPs and small/regional ISPs have been fighting against for years when it 
> comes to MDUs.
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016 3:47 PM, "Justin Wilson" <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> https://backchannel.com/the-new-payola-deals-landlords-cut-with-internet-providers-cf60200aa9e9#.l6a38myj8
>  
> <https://backchannel.com/the-new-payola-deals-landlords-cut-with-internet-providers-cf60200aa9e9#.l6a38myj8>
> 
> "Sure, a landlord can’t enter into an exclusive agreement granting just one 
> ISP the right to provide Internet access service to an MDU, but a landlord 
> can refuse to sign agreements with anyone other than Big Company X, in 
> exchange for payments labeled in any one of a zillion ways. Exclusivity by 
> any other name still feels just as abusive.”
> 
> Apartment owner across the river has a local WISP.  ATT tried to strong arm 
> him into giving access.  He said sure, but all payments have to be made in 
> cash, in person, on such and such day.  ATT didn’t agree to the terms so he 
> effectively kept them out.  His next tactic is to have them pay in bitcoin 
> should they ask again.
> 
> 
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> 
> ---
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> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
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> 
> > On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> >
> > I don't believe exclusive contracts are permitted by the FCC. I believe 
> > you're limited to exclusive marketing.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange
> >
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:46:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building
> >
> > 
> >
> > IF anyone has any paperwork they can share for accomplishing exclusive 
> > access in a building, i'd love to see it.
> > thanks ;)
> >
> > ps - what prevents a tenant from ordering service from a telco themselves 
> > not realizing such an agreement is in place?
> >
> >
> > A telco can cry foul and play the fact that telephones are an essential 
> > service. Even if they can’t legally do anything, they can pressure the 
> > building owner enough where it becomes an issue. I have seen tenants want 
> > to order landline phones in buildings where a WISP had exclusive rights.  
> > The tenant is going to be favored by the building owner almost every time.
> >
> > My advice get exclusive access to any pathways for cable in regards to your 
> > services with the ability to sublet.  If you can get it, get an exclusive 
> > franchise for providing data services.
> >
> > Justin Wilson
> > j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> >
> > ---
> > http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/> Owner/CEO
> > xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> >
> > http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>  COO/Chairman
> > Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net 
> > <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
> >
> > I know that has been discusse

Re: [AFMUG] Service in Coatsville IN

[Justin Wilson]

Eric Rogers at PDS in Mooresville.


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> On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Roland Houin <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:
> 
> does anyone service
> 
> Coatsville, In 46121 at
> 2518 South County Road 550 West.
> 
> We have a customer who moved from our area to Coatsville.
> desperate for service
> 
> Roland Houin
> Fourway.Net
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

[Justin Wilson]

https://backchannel.com/the-new-payola-deals-landlords-cut-with-internet-providers-cf60200aa9e9#.l6a38myj8

"Sure, a landlord can’t enter into an exclusive agreement granting just one ISP 
the right to provide Internet access service to an MDU, but a landlord can 
refuse to sign agreements with anyone other than Big Company X, in exchange for 
payments labeled in any one of a zillion ways. Exclusivity by any other name 
still feels just as abusive.”

Apartment owner across the river has a local WISP.  ATT tried to strong arm him 
into giving access.  He said sure, but all payments have to be made in cash, in 
person, on such and such day.  ATT didn’t agree to the terms so he effectively 
kept them out.  His next tactic is to have them pay in bitcoin should they ask 
again.



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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe exclusive contracts are permitted by the FCC. I believe 
> you're limited to exclusive marketing.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:46:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building
> 
> 
>  
> IF anyone has any paperwork they can share for accomplishing exclusive access 
> in a building, i'd love to see it.
> thanks ;)
>  
> ps - what prevents a tenant from ordering service from a telco themselves not 
> realizing such an agreement is in place?
>  
> 
> A telco can cry foul and play the fact that telephones are an essential 
> service. Even if they can’t legally do anything, they can pressure the 
> building owner enough where it becomes an issue. I have seen tenants want to 
> order landline phones in buildings where a WISP had exclusive rights.  The 
> tenant is going to be favored by the building owner almost every time. 
> 
> My advice get exclusive access to any pathways for cable in regards to your 
> services with the ability to sublet.  If you can get it, get an exclusive 
> franchise for providing data services. 
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> 
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> 
> I know that has been discussed several times in the past, but I recall a few 
> variables so I will re-ask the question.
> If our company goes into a building and wires (either pre-construction of 
> post construction), will a contract legally cover us so that nobody else can 
> come around and claim rights to use that to distribute a service also?
> Does that “ruling” change it we install conduit as well?
> We have a bunch buildings to get “wired” over the next 60 days and I want to 
> protect ourselves if at all possible.
> Paul
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

[Justin Wilson]

If your contract with them doesn’t say its yours then it becomes part of the 
structure, thus theirs. 

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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> 
> Let me back this train up a little bit.  My primary concern question is…. If 
> I run Fiber throughout a building (or copper), can building owner and I have 
> a contract where only I can use the very wire/fiber that I installed?  I 
> would the answer at that basic level would be a yes, but am not positive.
>  
> Not even thinking about exclusive rights to market a service to the building.
>  
> Just want to see if I can “own” the wire/fiber that I put in the building. 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 2:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building
>  
> If you can get the contract to be the 'riser management' company, would that 
> allow you to set high rates and discourage anyone else from coming in?  We've 
> run into that in a few class A buildings.  'Oh, you need a cat 5 run from 
> floor 3 to floor 5, that will be $5000, and we are the only company allowed 
> to do work in the riser. 
> 
> On 8/28/2016 11:19 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> I have typically ran across the terms “Franchise rights” and “Riser rights” 
> when it comes to buildings.
>  
> If you have franchise rights you are the only one with rights to provide your 
> product to that building.
>  
> Riser rights just gives you access to to raceways, risers, etc. for running 
> your cable.   You could get exclusive access to such things, but I don’t see 
> that as often as franchise rights.  I think this is mainly due to a franchise 
> fee is typically higher and more beneficial to the building owner.  
>  
> A telco can cry foul and play the fact that telephones are an essential 
> service. Even if they can’t legally do anything, they can pressure the 
> building owner enough where it becomes an issue. I have seen tenants want to 
> order landline phones in buildings where a WISP had exclusive rights.  The 
> tenant is going to be favored by the building owner almost every time. 
>  
> My advice get exclusive access to any pathways for cable in regards to your 
> services with the ability to sublet.  If you can get it, get an exclusive 
> franchise for providing data services. 
>  
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
>  
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/> Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
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> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>  
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net 
> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
>  
> I know that has been discussed several times in the past, but I recall a few 
> variables so I will re-ask the question.
>  
> If our company goes into a building and wires (either pre-construction of 
> post construction), will a contract legally cover us so that nobody else can 
> come around and claim rights to use that to distribute a service also?
>  
> Does that “ruling” change it we install conduit as well?
>  
> We have a bunch buildings to get “wired” over the next 60 days and I want to 
> protect ourselves if at all possible.
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
> www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com/>
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

[Justin Wilson]

I have typically ran across the terms “Franchise rights” and “Riser rights” 
when it comes to buildings.

If you have franchise rights you are the only one with rights to provide your 
product to that building.

Riser rights just gives you access to to raceways, risers, etc. for running 
your cable.   You could get exclusive access to such things, but I don’t see 
that as often as franchise rights.  I think this is mainly due to a franchise 
fee is typically higher and more beneficial to the building owner.  

A telco can cry foul and play the fact that telephones are an essential 
service. Even if they can’t legally do anything, they can pressure the building 
owner enough where it becomes an issue. I have seen tenants want to order 
landline phones in buildings where a WISP had exclusive rights.  The tenant is 
going to be favored by the building owner almost every time. 

My advice get exclusive access to any pathways for cable in regards to your 
services with the ability to sublet.  If you can get it, get an exclusive 
franchise for providing data services. 

Justin Wilson
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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> 
> I know that has been discussed several times in the past, but I recall a few 
> variables so I will re-ask the question.
>  
> If our company goes into a building and wires (either pre-construction of 
> post construction), will a contract legally cover us so that nobody else can 
> come around and claim rights to use that to distribute a service also?
>  
> Does that “ruling” change it we install conduit as well?
>  
> We have a bunch buildings to get “wired” over the next 60 days and I want to 
> protect ourselves if at all possible.
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
> www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com/>

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

[Justin Wilson]

Are you looking for active or passive?

We just replaced a failing Ciena Mux with an 18 channel passive mux for a data 
center client.  Ours was CWDM, but they make a DWDM version.  Total cost was 
under 5 grand, including spares.  Ciena wanted 24k to update the service 
contract, update software, and troubleshoot an alarm state.

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> On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> I have always used Cyan.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
> 
> For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?
> 
> We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced in 
> the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to deploy. 
> Hoping to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By reliable I 
> mean that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything service 
> impacting to it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t 
> important neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be 
> ok at this point to consider …
> 
> Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical 
> locations (the fiber is leased)
> 
> thanks,
> Paul
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Justin Wilson]

Best was is a broker like ipv4auctions.com.  The Co-Op in Indiana has been 
talking about a group purchase, but getting folks to commit has been the 
challenge.
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> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks
> 
> So see? It's all you WISP cowboys out there GIVING IPs away for
> pennies that's caused the world to run out of addresses!
> 
> It's not the datacenter monkeys and "DevOPs" folks, oh no.
> 
> /s
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> Great list.  Nice work.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2016 12:19 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
>>> Comcast business: $20 / mo
>>> AT: $15 - $40 / mo
>>> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
>>> wireless division though...)
>>> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
>>> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
>>> 
>>> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
>>> )
>>> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
>>> 
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
>>> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
>>> Time Warner: $20 / mo
>>> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective
>>>> of
>>>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a
>>>> premium
>>>> for that type of use.
>>>> 
>>>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
>>>> 
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>> 
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>> 
>>>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to
>>>> $30/Mo
>>>> :( see Google.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles
>>>>> !
>>>>> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of
>>>>> $1
>>>>> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase
>>>>> price.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need
>>>>> to
>>>>> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
>>>>> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the
>>>>> ARPU of
>>>>> the BW purchase.
>>>>> 
>>>>> my 2.5 cents worth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>> 
>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@ky

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?

[Justin Wilson]

I have been doing several Ip purchases for clients.  Most are scared away by 
pricing once you get above a /21.  I had one client send their /19 off to a 
broker and they broke it up and sold it off for them.  A /22 out of that went 
for about $10 an IP (around 10k).  The client had fees and such that came out 
of that.  My .02 is that by the time the ones who can afford /16’s Ipv6, CGNT, 
and other things will be very mainstream. Thus IPv4 will be less useful.  It’s 
like real estate.  Of they build a superhighway 3 miles away, and you own the 
gas station on Route66, it means you still have something. But that something 
isn’t what it used to be.

Right now companies are throwing money at an issue, and rightfully so. There 
will become a point where innovation will take over because V4 is too costly. 
Just like WISPs have done for years.  You will not only see small to medium 
providers innovate, but enterprise as well.  

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> On Aug 9, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> yeah, projections from the same folks who create  stock market bubbles ! 
> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
> 
> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of $1 to 
> $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase price.
> 
> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need to be 
> in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
> 
> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running 
> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the ARPU of 
> the BW purchase.
> 
> my 2.5 cents worth.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> 
>> Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I have
>> seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time fee
>> though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than
>> the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you).
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> $13 per IP on a /24  wow.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> He created a toaster?? LOL
>>>> 
>>>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/
>>>> 
>>>> Travis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> He can afford to wait a long time  He was the developer of the first
>>>> of one of the major devices on the internet.
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As in a /16 ?  he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be
>>>> dead wrong there)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market is
>>>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – guessing
>>>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more blocks
>>>> coming available
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B...   But he's going to wait for
>>>> $300-500 pricing...  LOL...
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for buying?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 1 pair cat 5

[Justin Wilson]

Sounds like you need cat-3?

If you need physically small cable there are several folks who make very small 
patch cables up to 70 some feet. Even flat cable.


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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> I need some cat5 in 1-2 pair only.  Need a physically smaller cable and only 
> 100 Mbps max.  Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Re: [AFMUG] Think this one gets by OSHA?

[Justin Wilson]

Just needs some cones and a hardhat and he’ll be “aright” . :-)

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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
> www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>
>  
> “There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball.” - Bill Veeck

Re: [AFMUG] IRR

[Justin Wilson]

Many folks use Level3 if they are wanting to access other registries.
https://nets.ucar.edu/nets/docs/procs/routing-registries/routing_registry_guide_2012.pdf
 
<https://nets.ucar.edu/nets/docs/procs/routing-registries/routing_registry_guide_2012.pdf>


Obvious choice for most of us is ARIN.
https://www.arin.net/resources/routing/ 
<https://www.arin.net/resources/routing/>


I did a post on registries last year.
http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=245 <http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=245>



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> On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Butch Evans <but...@butchevans.com> wrote:
> 
> So I have a customer who is wanting to peer with Netflix.  They require
> registration of routes in a route server.  I have never done this sort
> of work before and am interested to hear what preferred registry you
> all use and why.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Butch Evans
> Training and Support for WISPs
> 702-537-0979
> http://store.wispgear.net/
> http://www.butchevans.com/
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Windows 10 upgrade week

[Justin Wilson]

Ive tried but none of the hardware meets the requirements (mainly VMWare 
fusion). hehe.  

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> On Jul 24, 2016, at 12:38 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else running around finishing up any free Windows 10 upgrades before 
> they're no longer free (As of next month)?
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 <> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | http://www.packetflux.com 
> <http://www.packetflux.com/>
>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  
> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa webside down?

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mimosa.com 
<http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mimosa.com>


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> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Daniel Gerlach <danielgerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> thx
> 

Re: [AFMUG] pokemon impact

[Justin Wilson]

We tend to think since Pokemon is “Old” it’s kind of wained.  It’s still huge 
and the Pokemon Go will boost it even more.  The 2015 Pokemon world 
championships had about a half million dollars in prize money and was invite 
only.  Not like Amerrican Idol or something.  You actually had to be invited by 
winning points at various other tournaments.  


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> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Andy Trimmell <atrimm...@precisionds.com> wrote:
> 
> I was also an Ingress player and people made fun of me. Now all those people 
> are out staring at their phones in  packs. Was cool to see all my 
> pictures/portals I submitted are Pokestops. I won’t be playing but cool to 
> see the name changes and suddenly people want it bad. Marketing is huge and 
> goes to show what a name brings.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] pokemon impact
>  
> I played Ingress a few years ago, but picked it up again recently when this 
> Pokemon stuff reminded me about it. Didn't realize it was the same team.
> 
> On Sunday, July 10, 2016, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> <li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
> I'm an ingress player, which is the predecessor to this game.
> 
> Over the 3 year life of ingress,  the game was downloaded 10million times.
> With beta plus the brief time since release pokemon go is already up to 5 
> million.   Totally insane.  I had no idea pokemon was so popular.
> 
> On Jul 10, 2016 10:21 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < 
> <>thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> they released this pokemon go app, its madness, go outside right now, there 
> are people wandering in groups staring at their phones (moreso than normal)
>  
> I took the kids out to collect these things, Ive never understood any of this 
> pokemon stuff, but its crazy, people driving their cars with their phones up 
> blatantly
>  
>  
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < 
> <>par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>  
> What happened ?
> Better yet.. what is pokemon? Lol 
>  
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>  
> - Reply message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" < <>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> To: " <>af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" < <>af@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] pokemon impact
> Date: Sun, Jul 10, 2016 11:00 PM
>  
> Nope
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:48 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
> <>thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> anybody see an unusual drop in network traffic this weekend with everybody 
> out zombied to their phone/?
>  
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>  
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Justin Wilson]

Ill add a little more here.  Cogent tends to bring some of their grief on 
themselves. Here in Indiana their rack used to be the worst, by far, in the 
carrier hotel.  You could not see the switches due to the fiber covering them.  
They would send out maintenance notices and then end up doing them two days 
early.

Cogent support is excellent. I do not like the fact you know how to get a sale 
person involved to turn up BGP or modify BGP.  PITA.

Network wise they have a solid network.  It’s like any other provider.  In 
today’s age everyone has problems.  For the money you can’t beat them.  
Performance is acceptable and not borderline, but again sometimes it depends on 
where you are. I would definitely recommend them as part of your blend.


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> On Jul 3, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
> 
> It’s an old arrangement that hasn’t been reviewed in long time … and I’m fine 
> with that J  They used to publish their peering agreement but they don’t any 
> longer.  At the time, we met most of their requirements though (but not all)… 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: July 2, 2016 2:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>  
> I would also like to point out that very few networks on this list (I'm 
> surprised you are) would have the scale to peer with Cogent. I ws referring 
> to using BGP communities to limit one's Cogent transit to their customers 
> only.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:34:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
> 
> Not sure what there is to take advantage of … we prefer peering always over 
> transit.  PNI higher than public peering – pretty standard stuff for a lot of 
> networks….
>  
> 75k or so routes from them on-net of which about 35k are “best route” against 
> other peered route options to their customers.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: July 2, 2016 8:49 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>  
> I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given 
> the scale of their network.
> 
> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers <http://bgp.he.net/report/peers>
> http://as-rank.caida.org/ <http://as-rank.caida.org/>
> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/ 
> <http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/>
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
> 
> That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy 
> transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in 
> different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and 
> peered with them on PNI’s. 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Justin Wilson]

Have had one on top of a grain leg for over a year now.  Replaced an x86 
maxxwave that was getting close to thermal issues.  Also allowed us to 
eliminate a media converter.  Works great.

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> On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
> <p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
> 
> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
> 
> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites, such as
> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few sectors...
> >
> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
> >
> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC 
> > <http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC>
> >
> > http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf 
> > <http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf>
> >
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

[Justin Wilson]

Cogent has really started sucking on things like this since it was all turned 
over to sales.  Now, anytime you want to peer with their blackhole server, 
bring up BGP, our modify your BGp session it’s a sales order.  It took me 4 
weeks to get a BGP session turned up on an existing circuit a few months ago.  
The weak link was the sales person not responding in a timely manner. I get, 
with the exhaustion of IPv4, they are monetizing the /30 or /29’s that used to 
be taken for granted.  I think, at least in our case, the sales person had 
bigger fish to chase and spending time on a BGP sales order which they charge 
$50 a month for was not worth his time.  I could be wrong, but thats what it 
seemed.

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> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> It takes FOR EV ER to get any change orders with them done.
> 
> Also, eCogent is *the worst* web based system I have used in almost 20 years 
> now in this business.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net 
> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
> You have to be peered with them and open a ticket and fill out their BGPQ to 
> get you added to their blackhole servers. J 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> – 314-735-0270 x103 
> <tel:314-735-0270%20x103> – dmburg...@linktechs.net 
> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:00 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community
> 
>  
> 
> is this for a single ip?
> 
>  
> 
> our upstream thats actually communicating said they dont support blackhole 
> community, the other i assume wont either
> 
>  
> 
> is this stating you can trigger at cogent even though not peered with them 
> directly?
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> 
> BlackHole server 
> 
> The Blackhole server allows customers under a DDOS attack to send all traffic 
> to the IP address under attack to null route. 
> 
> To request configuration on the blackhole server: Log into eCogent and click 
> on BGP request. You will need the following information: 
> 
> 1. Order Number.
> 
>  2. An IP address from your network with which we will peer. 
> 
> 3. A password (all blackhole server sessions are password protected).
> 
>  
> 
>  All North American and Asia Pacific Customers will peer with:
> 
>  IPv4: 66.28.8.2 and IPv6: 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802 
> 
>  
> 
> All European Customers will peer with: IPv4: 130.117.20.2 and IPv6: 
> 2001:550:0:1000::8275:1402 
> 
>  
> 
> Once your session to the blackhole server has been established, any network 
> you announce to it will be stopped at our borders. Please note that Cogent 
> does not warrant or guarantee that use of the blackhole server will mitigate, 
> or minimize any effects of a DDOS attack nor does Cogent guarantee that a 
> session to the blackhole server can be established on a timely basis. You are 
> limited to announcing 50 prefixes to our blackhole server. If you anticipate 
> needing to announce more, relay that request to our Customer Support 
> department along with the technical justification for an increase in the 
> number of prefixes to be announced.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Justin Wilson
> 
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
>  
> 
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> 
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
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> 
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> 
>  
> 
> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Really? Mikrotik can automatically trigger a blackhole IP with Cogent? I have 
> had to call Cogent to get IP's blacklisted previously.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> 
> San example with Cogent:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> add in-filter=cogent-blackhole-in multihop=yes name=Cogent-BlackHole 
> out-filter=cogent-blackhole-out remote-address=130.117.20.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

[Justin Wilson]

Yeah this is not a community.

You advertise the blackhole Ip to their blackhole server.  I assume at that 
point they attach some communities to it themselves and whatnot.  But the way 
this works is an entry is added to the filter list and that get advertised to 
Cogent.  You can do blocks of IPs, at least when I did a block a year ago.  
Most of it is triggered from a DNS rule that adds it to a an address list.  You 
can then parse the address list and script in the addition to the filter rule.  
My problem is I have not been able to find a way to remove that entry once it 
expires from the address list.  So it’s a manual process.  Doesn’t happen very 
often, but still something that have to remember.


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> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> is this for a single ip?
> 
> our upstream thats actually communicating said they dont support blackhole 
> community, the other i assume wont either
> 
> is this stating you can trigger at cogent even though not peered with them 
> directly?
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> BlackHole server 
> The Blackhole server allows customers under a DDOS attack to send all traffic 
> to the IP address under attack to null route. 
> To request configuration on the blackhole server: Log into eCogent and click 
> on BGP request. You will need the following information: 
> 1. Order Number.
>  2. An IP address from your network with which we will peer. 
> 3. A password (all blackhole server sessions are password protected).
> 
>  All North American and Asia Pacific Customers will peer with:
>  IPv4: 66.28.8.2 and IPv6: 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802 
> 
> All European Customers will peer with: IPv4: 130.117.20.2 and IPv6: 
> 2001:550:0:1000::8275:1402 
> 
> Once your session to the blackhole server has been established, any network 
> you announce to it will be stopped at our borders. Please note that Cogent 
> does not warrant or guarantee that use of the blackhole server will mitigate, 
> or minimize any effects of a DDOS attack nor does Cogent guarantee that a 
> session to the blackhole server can be established on a timely basis. You are 
> limited to announcing 50 prefixes to our blackhole server. If you anticipate 
> needing to announce more, relay that request to our Customer Support 
> department along with the technical justification for an increase in the 
> number of prefixes to be announced.
> 
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/> Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Really? Mikrotik can automatically trigger a blackhole IP with Cogent? I 
>> have had to call Cogent to get IP's blacklisted previously.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
>> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
>> San example with Cogent:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> add in-filter=cogent-blackhole-in multihop=yes name=Cogent-BlackHole 
>> out-filter=cogent-blackhole-out remote-address=130.117.20.1 remote-as=174 
>> tcp-md5-key= ttl=default 
>> update-source=
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
>> 
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/> Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>> 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone used BGP and Remote-Triggered BlackHole with Mikrotik to
>>> help deal with DOS attacks?  Any examples of getting it too work with
>>> Mikrotik?
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

[Justin Wilson]

BlackHole server 
The Blackhole server allows customers under a DDOS attack to send all traffic 
to the IP address under attack to null route. 
To request configuration on the blackhole server: Log into eCogent and click on 
BGP request. You will need the following information: 
1. Order Number.
 2. An IP address from your network with which we will peer. 
3. A password (all blackhole server sessions are password protected).

 All North American and Asia Pacific Customers will peer with:
 IPv4: 66.28.8.2 and IPv6: 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802 

All European Customers will peer with: IPv4: 130.117.20.2 and IPv6: 
2001:550:0:1000::8275:1402 

Once your session to the blackhole server has been established, any network you 
announce to it will be stopped at our borders. Please note that Cogent does not 
warrant or guarantee that use of the blackhole server will mitigate, or 
minimize any effects of a DDOS attack nor does Cogent guarantee that a session 
to the blackhole server can be established on a timely basis. You are limited 
to announcing 50 prefixes to our blackhole server. If you anticipate needing to 
announce more, relay that request to our Customer Support department along with 
the technical justification for an increase in the number of prefixes to be 
announced.


Justin Wilson
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xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

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Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Really? Mikrotik can automatically trigger a blackhole IP with Cogent? I have 
> had to call Cogent to get IP's blacklisted previously.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> San example with Cogent:
> 
> 
> 
> add in-filter=cogent-blackhole-in multihop=yes name=Cogent-BlackHole 
> out-filter=cogent-blackhole-out remote-address=130.117.20.1 remote-as=174 
> tcp-md5-key= ttl=default 
> update-source=
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
> 
> ---
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> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone used BGP and Remote-Triggered BlackHole with Mikrotik to
>> help deal with DOS attacks?  Any examples of getting it too work with
>> Mikrotik?
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

[Justin Wilson]

San example with Cogent:



add in-filter=cogent-blackhole-in multihop=yes name=Cogent-BlackHole 
out-filter=cogent-blackhole-out remote-address=130.117.20.1 remote-as=174 
tcp-md5-key= ttl=default 
update-source=




Justin Wilson
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> On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used BGP and Remote-Triggered BlackHole with Mikrotik to
> help deal with DOS attacks?  Any examples of getting it too work with
> Mikrotik?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Justin Wilson]

Not sure. I know our little town only does bucket work now. 

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I've seen those. Wasn't there some reg that went in fairly
> recently (OSHA / Lineman) that said they couldn't fall more than 3
> feet without arrest now? My memory is a little foggy, and I'm not
> climbing towers anymore.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>> http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/
>> 
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
>> ---
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>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
>> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
>> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace
>> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
>> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
>> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
>> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the
>> most ideal position.
>> 
>> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel
>> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
>> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
>> come.
>> 
>> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
>> 
>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>> 
>> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
>> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
>> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
>> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
>> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>> 
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/ 
<http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/>


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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
>> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace
>> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
>> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
>> ---
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>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>> 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
>> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
>> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the
>> most ideal position.
>> 
>> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel
>> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
>> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
>> come.
>> 
>> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
>> 
>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>> 
>> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
>> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
>> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
>> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
>> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>> 
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Justin Wilson]

Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long 
threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace 
them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on 
utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.

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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t 
> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the 
> most ideal position.
>  
> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel 
> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you 
> come.
>  
> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest. 
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>  
> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles 
> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but 
> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for 
> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent seen 
> these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>  
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru

[Justin Wilson]

With the advent of hosted solutions my mindset has changed.  I still host my 
own mail, but i am using packages like Zimbra and other solutions.  Spam and 
Virus filtering are outsourced. 

I am a fan of Postfix/Dovecot except for the add ons (domain keys, spf records, 
etc.) are all things that have to be shoehorned in so to speak.  In packages 
like Zimbra and others it’s a checkbox or an option at install.  This saves me 
a ton of time, and gives me things I have wanted for a long time. I am a fan of 
Iredmail, just not the price.  Also a fan of @mail.

Regardless of your choice sometimes it makes sense to not provide e-mail. 
Sometimes it makes sense to outsource it. Our last WISP we had e-mail for 
ourselves, but told everyone to go to gmail. Cut down on support and 
infrastructure costs considerably.

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> On Jun 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Call me extremely old fashioned, but in my opinion having full control over 
> your own port 25 traffic and smtpd are a vital part of what defines being a 
> serious ISP. 
> 
> Just the same as you should have the technical acumen to administer BIND and 
> create your own zone files for your domain, it's necessary to know how to 
> deal with email. There are things you may need to do with a combination of 
> your email system and custom aliases/redirects and your in-house ticketing 
> system and monitoring that are incompatible with most third party email 
> services.
> 
> I agree with your points on #2 and #3, my email setup (postfix + dovecot with 
> plugins for openDKIM, SPF verification and spamassassin) is not hosted on an 
> incredibly redundant platform, yet it's still met better than five nines 
> availability for the last several years. I have full flexibility on what 
> platform it runs on and can in an emergency move it to another set of 
> machines or another hypervisor. I own the hardware that it runs on and have 
> root on the hypervisor that it runs on. 
> 
> #5 is trivially easy to deal with as I do not provide email services for 
> customers (whose machines may be compromised/passwords stolen), and do not 
> run an open relay. I need a "team" to stay off blacklists?  If I need to pay 
> more than 5 minutes/week attention to RBLs for my smtpd and IP space 
> something has gone terribly wrong.
> 
> #9 - sendmail?  seriously?  save us from sendmail, there's a reason why >35% 
> of the recently deployed debian and/or centos/RHEL based smtpd on the net use 
> postfix or a more modern smtpd.
> 
> #10 - if I wanted to offer hosted email it would get its own email server and 
> a web based email access system running on a LAMP server like roundcube or 
> rainloop. 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> [1] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the experience of a large email 
> provider
> [2] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the hardware redundancy of a
> large email provider
> [3] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the software redundancy of a
> large email provider
> [4] As a small to medium ISP, you likely have other, more important
> duties besides worrying about managing your own email server
> [5] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the dedicated team a large
> email provider has to help get off / stay off blacklists
> [6] As a small to medium ISP, internal per user mail cost via cloud
> provider is a very efficient use of opex given the above
> [7] As a small to medium ISP, you can only "do better" than the above
> in cost alone.
> [8] As a small to medium ISP, If cost is the only importance when it
> comes to mail, use Zimbra, Sendmail, etc.
> [9] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to
> customers, consider Sendmail. Sendmail has been used by a metric
> asston of ISPs - potentially serving several billion customers over
> the years. It is very well tested and supported.
> [10] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail
> to customers and don't like Sendmail, consider Zimbra. Zimbra will
> offer you support and features very similar to Exchange with a much
> lower cost. Your end user devices won't know there is a difference.
> 
> Somebody is going to come up with certain experiences they've had
> running Exchange, or Qmail, or $whatever. That's fine, you experience
> and opinions are no less relevant.
> 
> Now I'm going to bow out, and maybe watch the carnage unfold after I
> finish making this new ansible/Juniper playbook :)
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru

[Justin Wilson]

Scott LePere from On-Ramp <sc...@ori.net>.  They know Microsoft and host a 
bunch of Microsoft solutions.


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> On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> You can always call Microsoft also.  For $500 they will absolutely fix it.
> 
> Rory
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:52 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru
> 
> [1] Good luck with getting it fixed
> 
> [2] Get the fuck off exchange
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> thanks!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keith Willis with Progent
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We have a issue with our Exchange server.  The database does not mount.
>>>> Any recommendations for a Exchange Professional?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] crc errors

[Justin Wilson]

A lot of what I have seen is probably just from personal experience, which 
makes it not too scientific.  For example, We typically hardest the UBNT radios 
and left the Mikrotiks to auto.  Things seemed happier this way. The Gigabit 
specification says it should be auto everything. Sometimes this can have issues 
between vendors.



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> On May 24, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ryan Mano <rm...@corp.mdswireless.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Want to hear how you guys go about handling crc errors on your radios?
>  
> Like check duplex or check cables etc.
>  
> Noticing in the past month or so am seeing an increase in crc errors….when I 
> do….I change the duplex from 100 to 10base and it runs with no errors but the 
> customer are not happy…sometimes I just can’t put it into 100base crc just go 
> nuts
>  
> Lets here your battles with crc’s

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Insurance?

[Justin Wilson]

Spin up a separate LLC for tower stuff.  Do all the right employee stuff, etc. 
Just carry your tower insurance under that LLC and have the LLC do the work.


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> On May 11, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The preliminary response from The Hartford was that I needed a contractor to 
> do any on-tower work. I'm still waiting on some feedback there.
> 
> I'll check if liability already covers it for me. It would be great if it 
> did..
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Travelers does ours but I wouldn't classify them as really good. If liability 
> only maybe that would be covered under your umbrella if you listed the 
> address and equipment and type of asset.
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:16 PM Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com 
> <mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
> The Hartford.
> 
> 
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 
> 530-748-9608  Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com/>
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
> <mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
> Any good suggestions for basic tower insurance (liability)? My local provider 
> does not have a lot of options for underwriters in that category.
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre

[Justin Wilson]

I did a blog post awhile back on routing registries:

http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=245 <http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=245>


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> On May 15, 2016, at 11:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am glad someone brought this up, i assumed this was a part in parcel thing 
> with BGP. I know one of our upstreams this wont be an issue with. The other, 
> well I have had to talk them through configuring things. I am beginning to 
> think I made a mistake in not learning anything BGP. I thought it was best 
> that way so I wouldnt screw shit up. but as we are getting closer to D day, I 
> see, we are going to end up fucked for a period. and not that happy " I love 
> you baby" f*%#ed. more along the lines of " did we start with a condom? Cause 
> there isnt a condom" f*&^%d.
> 
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
> <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
> There is a bit of if and but invovled here...
> 
> having said that the best way is to ask the basic question, to your upstream:-
> 
> A) Do you support  Blackhole Community ?
> 
> B) If yes, what is it ? and is there any setup / configuration required for 
> my bgp session ? 
> 
> ==
> If you are dealing with a named upstream, you can find a lot of their 
> communities listed here
> 
> http://onestep.net/communities/ <http://onestep.net/communities/>
> 
> ==
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:21:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
> that request, lacking my fundamental understanding of the terminology, would 
> be phrased how?
> 
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Yes, it requires your upstream to support a blackhole BGP community.  This 
> allows you to advertise host routes (/32 or smaller) to them using a specific 
> BGP community when you want your ISP to drop all traffic for the prefix 
> before it reaches you.  This is -very- useful for DDoS defense.
> Josh
> 
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 4:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> That requires something specific?
> 
> On May 14, 2016 7:33 AM, "Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com 
> <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:
> We have started requiring our upstreams to filter by ASN vs Netblock.  We are 
> moving away from upstreams that do not utilize IRR Entries and require 
> intervention every time we want to make a change, but it is continuous for 
> us, so for most guys the one time setup is not a big deal, plus the upstream 
> has to be trusting enough that we will have the correct filtering on our end.
> 
> Steve, I would add Blackhole BGP community or session to your list.
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> The Fusion Network
> er...@gotfusion.net <mailto:er...@gotfusion.net>
> Office: 630-621-4804 
> Cell: 630-777-9291 
> 
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org 
> <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
> Or, quite a number of carriers (especially in APAC, some carriers in Canada, 
> a few in the US, and definitely a large number in Europe) will say “do you 
> have an IRR entry at RADB?” and if you say yes then they will use the route 
> object information but if you say no then they will tell you to open a ticket 
> with their NOC each time you have a prefix to add/remove ….
> 
>  
> I’m actually surprised by the number of transit providers that don’t’ support 
> automation via IRR
> 
>  
> Paul
> 
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: May 13, 2016 9:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
> 
>  
> Let me clarify this a bit more...
> 
>  
> You are recommending that one creates it's own AS Object in t