Nuclear waste in the West Bank - should be welcomed! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Nuclear waste in the West Bank - should be welcomed! [05.07.02] [Posting note: This is being sent (also) to the kominform2 mailing-list, whose programme is General class struggle news. To any other subscriber who may reply to it, I shall send a public reply again (if any) *only* to the Usenet news- groups 'alt.society.revolution', 'alt.politics.socialism.mao', 'swnet.politik', 'eunet.politics' and 'alt.politics.socialism' and/or to some *other* mailing-lists including the Mao Zedong one, reached via [EMAIL PROTECTED], in suitable cases also to the Socialism and Communism Forum at http://www.pwrhouse.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forumf=272] WHY WE (AS AN EXCEPTION) SHOULD SAY WELCOME! AND THANK YOU! Not least in the so-called superstructure, in fields of cul- ture and education, in quite a lot of important scientific fields, is there a very sharp class struggle going on in the world today. Here's one small example of this, concerning, quite directly, one rather small (though politically important) area in the world, indirectly however more or less the whole globe too: In some newspaper and Internet articles recently, it has been reported that the racist, wildly aggressive, mass murdering and totally illegal state of Israel is planning also to ...turn the Palestinian Authority-ruled area of the West Bank into a vast dumping-ground for its domestic industrial, chemical and nuclear waste, thereby creating a potentially catastrophic environmental nightmare. As far as actual industrial and chemical wastes are concerned, this of course must be emphatically protested against and combated, just must as all other acts of Zionist aggression. Many kinds of such wastes are quite dangerous to people's health. However, if the Zionists would really dump such substances as are, in precisely all of the multi-moronic mass media of the all the fanatically Zionism-backing US and other imperialists in the world precisely always being called, multi-moronically, nuclear wastes, then this should really be welcomed and in- deed applauded, by the Palestinians and by the supporters all over the world for their just cause of annihilating those mass murderers and their racist state and establishing a democra- tic state in all of Palestine. Why is this? Because of the longtime and still today continued rule of the imperialists, with their multi-moron media, multi-moron school teaching, multi-moron regulations on (e.g.) radia- tion, multi-moron everything that has remotely to do with culture in its widest sense, this long-since established fact may not yet be known to all that many outside some circles of scientists and technicians: *A little more* ionizing radiation than that which people in most areas in the world (including e.g. the West Bank) today are receiving from natural sources - a suitable, not too big, addition to that amount - actually is *beneficial* for their health, and by no means detrimental. What's always being called nuclear wastes (*none of* which of course are *really* wastes, all of which, on the contrary, of course can be put to quite excellent, peaceful, use, al- ready with that technology which there is today) by all the rabidly-reactionary rulers, in all their daily mega-moron poi- son propaganda, comes basically in two kinds: Highly-active, respectively, low-active wastes - or, to call them by their proper name, *residual products* or *ma- terial which has been made more radioactive than normal*, Now *highly-active* wastes, that's mainly such stuff as has been inside a nuclear reactor, and which has therefore or in some other way gotten to be emitting radiation at high levels, very intensively. These are dangerous for humans to be close to, even for some short time, and are therefore, normally at least, kept tightly enclosed in thick-walled containers. Most improbable, and silly indeed, would it be, even for the Zio- nists, just to dump *such* stuff in places to where they might later, hopefully, send some aggressor troops of theirs, such as the West Bank. Only *low-active* wastes, of which there is always much more too - since lots of stuff which has just been realtively close to a nuclear reactor in included in this - could the Zionists reasonably be expected to plan to dump in such an area as the West Bank. And these are *not* dangerous for people to approach, and to stay close to for as long as they might care. Children's perhaps even putting some of such stuff into their mouths, that's not dangerous either. In fact, the only thing that *such* stuff does is to *increase just a little*, in its vi- cinity, that so-called background radiation which there always is in nature, in all places on earth. And this, their possibly increasing the level of radiation in some areas of the West Bank by a small amount, this can only - if anything - *improve* the health of people living there. Perhaps, if
Fwd: Pentagon RESCUE ??? Open, Bloody, Questions . . . 1/3 [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- X-eGroups-Return: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-eGroups-Return: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-eGroups-Approved-By: amnehtt [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web; 05 Jul 2002 05:42:07 - X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: X98 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:28:07 -0700 Subject:Pentagon RESCUE ??? Open, Bloody, Questions . . . 1/3 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]X98 To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Pentagon RESCUE ??? Open, Bloody, Questions . . . 1/3 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Carol A. Valentine To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Pentagon RESCUE ??? Open, Bloody, Questions . . . 1/3 It was murder, actually -- with a sham rescue slicked over the top. This article has been divided up into three sections for e-mail purposes. You may read the entire article at: http://www.Public-Action.comhttp://www.Public-Action.com * * * Pentagon RESCUE? Open, Bloody, Questions . . . 1/3 by Carol A. Valentine President, Public Action, Inc. Entire article available at: http://www.Public-Action.comhttp://www.Public-Action.com Copyright, June, 2002 May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes * * * There cannot be any survivors; it just would be beyond comprehension. -- Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense, speaking of missing Pentagon personnel on September 11, 2001 -- just nine hours after impact. And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from anything that may destroy them. June 23, 2002 -- The recent movie Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind) deals with an important lesson -- the military has two jobs. The military must destroy the enemy's forces and they must ensure the survival of their own. Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind) dramatizes a story of survival: the heroic efforts of soldiers who attempted to rescue their fellows who were trapped behind enemy lines in Mogadishu, Somalia. The rescuers themselves become trapped, and they, too, needed to be rescued. For about 140 minutes, Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind) deals with how much soldiers -- from the generals down to the enlisted man -- care about each other. We see soldiers risking their lives to get their wounded buddies, risking grenades, risking machine gun fire, risking rockets, risking belligerent mobs -- all to rescue other soldiers. We hear dialogue that goes like this: Medivac! Medivac! No man gets left behind, You all right? No man gets left behind, We won't leave you behind, If he don't get to the hospital in 1/2 hour, he's in trouble! No man gets left behind. At one point, two soldiers are talking about a helicopter crash. The dialogue goes something like this: There can't be any survivors, says the first man. The second replies: We don't know that, we gotta go back and look! At the conclusion of the movie, soldier hero Sgt. Hoot Gibson is asked why he risks life and limb in these military actions: Is he a war addict? Hoot replies: It's about the man next to you. Camaraderie, being a team member -- that's what the US military is about. Or is it? What would you think of a military that refused to rescue its soldiers from certain death -- even though those soldiers were within arm's reach, right in the Pentagon office building? What would you think of a military that publicly pretended rescue, but meanwhile deceitfully ensured the deaths of its own soldiers? What would you think of a military that gave away the its rightful jurisdiction over military matters to perfidious civilians, and stood by while the civilians let US soldiers die? Who would support such a military? As you read this article, keep in mind that on September 11, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was General Henry Hugh Shelton. Shelton is a former Commanding General of the 101 and 82nd Airborne Divisions. He is a former Commanding General of the XVIII Airborne Corps, and a former Commander in Chief of the Special Operations Command. It was Special Operations that conducted the Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind) mission in Mogadishu, Somalia. (See Shelton's career highlights at: http://1-14th.com/GenShelton.htmhttp://1-14th.com/GenShelton.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-shelton-careerhttp://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-shelton-career There's what you need to know: On September 11, the top commander of the entire US military machine was intimately familiar with aircraft, aviation fuel fires, aircraft rescue, and the ideals depicted in Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind). However, those who directed the 9-11 rescue at the Pentagon did these
Fwd: Pentagon RESCUE???? (Part 2 of Parts 1-4) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: X98 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:30:30 -0700 Subject:Pentagon RESCUE (Part 2 of Parts 1-4) - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]X98 To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Pentagon RESCUE (Part 2 of Parts 1-4) It was murder, actually -- with a sham rescue slicked over the top. This article has been divided up into sections for e-mail purposes. You may read the entire article at: http://www.Public-Action.comhttp://www.Public-Action.com * * * Pentagon RESCUE? Open, Bloody, Questions . . . by Carol A. Valentine President, Public Action, Inc. Entire article available at: http://www.Public-Action.comhttp://www.Public-Action.com Copyright, June, 2002 May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes * * * PART II . . WE MAY NOT RESCUE THEM FROM A COLLAPSE . . . Rescue From Collapsed Buildings Earthquake Victims Can Live Up To 12 Days in Rubble Wreckage Must be Removed Vertically Unstable Sections of Building Must Be Shored Cranes Must Be Available Cranes On Site September 12, 13 Wrecking Ball Used Instead of Vertical Lifting And Shoring Murderous Use of Wrecking Ball One Excuse After Another To Stall Rescue Six Days Later, Stabilization Continues Civilian Rescue Workers Exhausted How Things Should Have Been Arrival of The Soda Pop Brigade Head Shrinking Smoochie Poochies Darin Pontell Calls Home From The Grave Survivors Be Damned! Pass The Money! Accomplices to Murder Black Hawk Down Revisited RESCUE FROM COLLAPSED BUILDINGS Now let's turn our attention to the subject of rescuing people trapped in collapsed buildings. The Emergency Response Research Institute (ERRI) is a crisis, conflict and emergency services news and resource center. It has won awards from a variety of paramedic, security, and law enforcement organizations. The ERRI homepage is here: http://www.emergency.com/http://www.emergency.com/ cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-homepagehttp://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-homepage You can see the awards they have received from police and emergency rescue organizations. http://www.emergency.com/erriawrd.htmhttp://www.emergency.com/erriawrd.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-awardshttp://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-awards Now let's visit the ERRI page that deals with rescues from collapsed buildings. http://www.emergency.com/bldgclps.htmhttp://www.emergency.com/bldgclps.htm or http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-bldg-rescuehttp://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-bldg-rescue Study these pages. This is how the pros do it when they want to save lives. The ERRI will be our standard for measuring the Pentagon [non-] rescue. EARTHQUAKE VICTIMS CAN LIVE UP TO 12 DAYS IN RUBBLE The Emergency Response Research Institute tells rescuers that: . . . you should remain aware of the fact that people have been successfully rescued alive after as much as twelve (12) days . . . buried in the rubble of an earthquake . . . In the March, 1992 Turkish earthquake, a 22 year old nurse was pulled from beneath a building collapse after eight days. She was also quoted as saying that she had been 'talking with her two friends,' who were also buried, for several days after the collapse . . . until she 'didn't hear them anymore.' The thought of someone remaining buried alive for several days should be enough motivation for most rescuers to continue with their efforts until every possible hope has been exhausted. Repeat: . . . you should remain aware of the fact that people have been successfully rescued alive after as much as twelve (12) days. . . Yet here is Rumsfeld declaring the 9-11 victims dead after nine hours . . . There cannot be any survivors; it just would be beyond comprehension. (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.htmlhttp://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.html cached at: http://www.public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-911pressconferencehttp://www.public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-911pressconference) Rumsfeld's it's all hopeless statement was pulled out of thin air. He could not possibly have known whether the buried victims were alive or dead. Leadership drives men to extraordinary effort or paralyzes them with apathy. Rumsfeld's words seem designed to discourage any heroic effort. WRECKAGE MUST BE REMOVED VERTICALLY According to the ERRI webpage, debris from a collapsed building MUST BE REMOVED VERTICALLY. http://www.emergency.com/bldgclps.htmhttp://www.emergency.com/bldgclps.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-bldg-rescuehttp://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-erri-bldg-rescue Most rescue experts agree that building collapse
Re: 1/2 A serious mistake, damaging anti-imperialist unity [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- [This goes to some mailing lists and also to the Usenet newsgroups 'alt.society.revolution', 'alt.politics.socialism. mao', 'swnet.politik', 'eunet.politics', 'alt.politics. socialism', 'alt.politics.radical-left', 'alt.activism', 'alt.politics.communism', 'de.soc.politik.misc' and 'alt. politics.india.communist'.] At 22:46 2002-07-03 +, you (Macdonald Stainsby [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote, to the kominform2 mailing list: Rolf Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I HEREBY DEMAND that you EXPRESSLY EXCUSE YOURSELF to the readers of the ANTINATO list for those QUITE SERIOUS SLAN- DEROUS ALLEGATIONS against me with which you, as MODERATOR of that list, thus have MISINFORMED the subscribers to it. I hereby DEMAND that you get a life and go get involved in a real struggle. You show all the signs of someone who never talks to real workers or anything at all involved with activism or anything else. Further, I DEMAND that this thread and this crap be ended immediately. Go navel gaze somewhere else, like the APST newsgroup or something. We have real work to do and no time for this kind of personally indulgent tripe. -- Macdonald Stainsby, External Relations Co-ordinator, Douglas College Students Union. ** In the contradiction lies the hope. --Bertholt Brecht. *** `Order rules in Berlin.' You stupid lackeys! Your `order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will rear ahead once more and announce to your horror amid the brass of trumpets: `I was, I am, I always will be!' -Rosa Luxemburg, 1918. It's silly of you, you know, ol' McDonnell/Douglas, to make pronouncements concerning things which you don't know shit about. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Cheap whores! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Heather, Very right you are! That MCP-ism (Male Chauvinist Pig-ism) still remains an important and very bad factor. Many of us (M-s) have had to learn about that and (hopefully) improve, over the years. One other thing in this context: Both men and women can understand these things better, I think, if they get to know about the historical background to that present-day male dominance, which is such a bad thing for people of both sexes and which absolutely must be overcome. Two important books: 1) Friedrich Engels: The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State (1884) Can be found at: http://www.marxists.org 2) A very important further development of that above, demonstrating some errors in it, among other things: Evelyn Reed: Woman's Evolution, from Matriarchal Clan to Patriarchal Family Copyright 1975 by Pathfinder Press, New York, USA Do you know about that last one, Heather? And if so, could you tell me where to get a copy in English? I have one in Swedish, but it would be of interest to put some excerpts of the English text out on the Net. These things about very early history are one of the *very* big secrets today which the bourgeois reactionaries absolutely *don't* want people to know about. Important stuff, for a lot of reasons. (Some other time I shall continue to scold you, Heather, for your really impossibly reactionary ideas in another field, the green one. You know what I mean, don't you? But on this MCP stuff, you and I could be allies, I think!) Rolf M. Malmö, Seden At 20:05 2002-07-03 -0400, you [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear STOPNATO men: Of late I see references in the (subject posting box) to someone's bitch and now this. These are sexist terms, my brothers, and you need to find some other epithets and metaphors with which to excoriate the enemies of the people. Surely there are more vilifying terms you can find that do not smack of sexism and the degradation of women! In sisterly solidarity, Heather --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fwd: CIA in Iraq [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:22:55 +0300 Subject:[kominform2] CIA in Iraq From: Arlene Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:44:47 -0400 Arlene Johnson Publisher http://truedemocracy.net CIA in Iraq Report from correspondents in Beirut 30 June 02 DOZENS of US troops and intelligence services have been sent into northern Iraq from Jordan under a plan to overthrow President Saddam Hussein, the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir reported overnight. In a front-page story datelined London, the daily quoted well informed diplomatic sources as saying Washington has launched a security and military operation in Iraq. Central Intelligence Agency chief George Tenet had personally visited northern Iraq during his last tour of the region and had given orders to start the security plan after US President George W Bush (recently) approved a decision to ask the CIA to overthrow ... Saddam, the source said. The Lebanese daily, which maintains close relations with the Syrian leadership, said forward bases for US troops had been set up in Jordan. Jordanian King Abdullah has given orders to clear two military airports in Jordan for the US forces. About 2,000 US troops have been deployed in Jordan so far, it said. Dozens of those US soldiers, along with CIA agents, have been sent into Iraqi territory, it said. The sources said the US had started a flurry of contacts with various forces among the Iraqi opposition, and there are great difficulties in forming a coalition similar to the 'Northern Alliance' in Afghanistan. Intensive contacts are being held with both the Kurdish and Shi'ite opposition in order to establish springboards for potential operations, they said. The sources added that Washington had first approached Saudi Arabia, which refused to let its territory be used for any military attack against Iraq. It seems that discussions moved to other countries in order to reach an agreement on the possibility of using their territory in case it is needed, they said. The United States has drawn a plan for an emergency economic assistance to Jordan in case its economic and trade relations with Iraq suffer a crisis, they added. © Herald and Weekly Times, Australia _ KOMINFORM P.O. Box 66 00841 Helsinki Phone +358-40-7177941 Fax +358-9-7591081 http://www.kominf.pp.fi --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fwd: Indonesia. Appeal for Solidarity. [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Dear friends in Indonesia, I want to support your campaign, and am forwarding your message to some other mailing lists and to some Usenet newsgroups. I'm also a member of two organizations here in Sweden which you can probably count on for support: Folket i Bild / Kulturfront (Sweden) http://fib.se/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Clarté (Sweden) www.clarte.nu [EMAIL PROTECTED] These will get this message too. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:24:56 +0300 Subject:Indonesia. Appeal for Solidarity. From: Djimadoum LEY-NGARDIGAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ACTUS Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:31:43 +0200 Subject: Appeal for Solidarity Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:05:42 +0700 De: patria [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: [EMAIL PROTECTED], APPEAL FOR SOLIDARITY FROM INDONESIAN EX-POLITICAL PRISONERS Jakarta 1 July 2002 Dear friends, This letter is a world-wide campaign for international solidarity from tens of millions of Indonesian ex-political prisoners and their families in their difficult struggle to restore their civil rights and to defend their human dignity. Because of the extremely inhuman treatment suffered by them, we draw your attention to the following aspects : THE PAST SITUATION During the Suharto military regime (which lasted over 30 years), massacres, arbitrary detentions, kidnappings and so forth, were commonplace throughout Indonesia. The worst period was 1965-1966 when about 3 millions people were killed, and about 1,8 million people arbitrarily detained without judicial trials, in prisons and detention camps controlled by the military, or by police units. Thanks to the pressure of international public opinion most of the political prisoners have been released, though in many cases after more than 10 years imprisonment. Many were in bad health, many were aged. Some had been despoiled of property due to illegal confiscation by the military authorities (land, houses and valuables). The detainees came from all walks of life : military officers and common soldiers, civil servants, teachers, trade union leaders, and other mass-organisations (women, students, peasants etc) . Most were detained because of their supposed links with, or sympathy for, the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI), or because of mere false accusations. The political prisoners suffered from all kids of ill-treatment and many worked as forced labourers. Tens of millions of their families at home were also victims of systematic state terrorism and psychological persecution during more than 30 years and many still suffer profound trauma, to this day. THE PRESENT SITUATION OF EX-POLITICAL PRISONERS In the first years after release, many ex-political prisoners received limited and temporary aid from the Catholic and Protestant churches. This aid was invaluable since even after release the military regime continued to treat them ( and their families) inhumanely. The downfall of the Suharto regime has not eradicated this practise. Even today, ex-political prisoners suffer from administrative restrictions promulgated by the Suharto regime, which deprived them of civil rights. Former government civilian and military employees, sacked during the Suharto regime, receive no pensions or salaries. Those who are of age to work are not allowed to work. They receive no health service. Many live in extreme poverty. They are treated as secondary citizens or pariahs. Even until now political persecution and psychological persecution is pursued throughout Indonesia (by the political remnants of the military regime and a part of the fundamentalist sections of the Moslem community). THE CREATION OF LEMBAGA In order to defend their fundamental rights as human beings and as citizens, ex-political prisoners have created an organisation Institute of Advocacy for the Rehabilitation of Victims of the New Order (Lembaga Perjuangan Rehabilitasi Korban Rezim Orde Baru -- called LEMBAGA). LEMBAGA, a non-governmental organisation, was launched on 16 January 2000 in Jakarta, and is now implanted in many provinces and regions, including Java, Sumatra, Kalimantan (Borneo), Sulawesi (Celebes), Bali, Maluku (Moluccas). Its adherents are of various ethnic groups and religions. The principal aims of this organisation are to urge the Indonesian government to abolish at last the repressive regulations and decrees applied to ex-political prisoners and other victims of the Suharto government and to rehabilitate fully their civil rights In co-operation with other democratic forces, LEMBAGA will struggle against the remnants of inhuman policies of the military regime of Suharto. Together with other national and international organisations, LEMBAGA will promote democratic struggle for peaceful reforms in political, economical and social
1/2 A serious mistake, damaging anti-imperialist unity [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- 1/2 A serious mistake, damaging anti-imperialist unity [03.07.02] Javier (Francisco Javier Bernal [EMAIL PROTECTED]), You wrote, to the ANTINATO mailing list list on Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:33:59 +0100, subject Re: Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#02): [Javier:] This is really sad, Rolf. Can you please stop? You're hardly doing yourself a favour with such a behaviour. Why do you have to call anyone who slightly disagree in his views with those of yours a spy, impersonator, agent provocateur, etc? You've done it to David, did the same to Claudia, Nancy, Barry, the Irishman, and I'm forgetting many others for sure. I on my part think that this matter is *serious*, even more than sad, which it is too. With the above, you're making a mistake which I certainly hope is inadvertent, but which, in its possible effects and, even more, as to its principle, so to speak, risks causing considerable damage to anti-imperialist unity, among sub- scribers to and writers to the ANTINATO list in particular. *Nowhere* in that recent reply of mine to David Q. [EMAIL PROTECTED], posted to some mailing lists on Mon, 2 Jul 2002 07:44 +0200, did I call that writer a spy(!), an agent provocateur(!), or anything similar; nor did I even maintain that he was an impersonator. Last in your posting you yourself did quote *the entire text* of that reply - and please also *check your archive of pos- tings*. But in your comments (quoted above) you maintained that I had written these things, which where clearly *not* there at all. All on the ANTINATO list can see for themselves that this slanderous allegation of yours, concerning what I wrote quite recently, was wholly and completely *an invention* by you. You even *added some other* pure *fantasies* of your own here, on what I purportedly on earlier occasions had done to some other writers. I HEREBY DEMAND that you EXPRESSLY EXCUSE YOURSELF to the readers of the ANTINATO list for those QUITE SERIOUS SLAN- DEROUS ALLEGATIONS against me with which you, as MODERATOR of that list, thus have MISINFORMED the subscribers to it. If you do not do this, then I certainly shall draw that con- clusion, and publish it as widely as possible, in order to warn people, that you in reality are someone who *wittingly* disseminates serious misinformation and slander, in favour of reaction in the world. Even as caused by a MISTAKE on your part - which I do HOPE it was - these false allegations *were* a quite serious slander. Perhaps you not understand, or agree with, this? Please let me explain it to you, in some detail. It's because I hold that these false allegations of yours *are* a quite serious mistake on your part that I'm finding it necessary to reply to your rather brief comments - by which you just tossed these things into the air, in the most irresponsible manner, with the back of your hand, so to speak - with this considerably longer present one. 1) Firstly: There of course *are* some spies, agent provocateurs and the like on the Internet, sent out by the arch-reactionaries in the world in order to combat and to cause mischief, directly, to various sincere Leftists on the Net, more indirectly to the international proletariat and the oppressed peoples and nations. If and when such are discovered and made out clearly to be precisely spies, agent provcateurs etc and nothing else, then of course these should be publicly exposed, for all to be warned against them. *Not* to do so, on the part of those who because of some experience of their own have seen through them, would be an error. And likewise would it be an error, which may cause rather serious harm, for some writer or writers to *maintain*, pub- licly, that some other or others, who is/are *not* (a) such, *has/have* such a character. For the important unity on some questions today, also among many who may not agree recipro- cally on everything, such wrong accusations of course are among the most damaging things you can imagine. Such an error it is that you now recently maintained, public- ly, that I had committed, Javier, and not just once either, but several times. And have you reflected on, in which way, on what basis, it was that you put forward this accusation? (See the quote above from your posting.) And *your* - actual - recent error, of *maintaining* that someone else had branded some third person as a spy or a provocateur, and indeed had earlier branded a number of others too (quite unclearly referred to) as spies or pro- vocateurs, when that someone else in fact had *not* done that (quite irrespective of the question, whether this in all or any of the cases actually might have been justified to do), such an error too of course risks damaging that impor- tant unity too, in the same way as someone's falsely crying out: Spy!. That last I have *not* done - as, in the recent and main case of David Q., all can see for themselves at once. Quite damaging
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of the writings of Nancy Hey,
some of which I've found rather good. (Perhaps I *have* com-
mented on, and/or forwarded, one or two of them, over the
years.) Certainly I've *never* called Nancy Hey a spy, an
agent provocateur or something similar. I've had no reason
whatsoever to do this.
I see that I've saved one posting from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
as one which I liked, on Sweden from where I'm posting.
That was sent Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:30:04 EST, subject Be
careful what you wish for, Sweden!, and started out by
saying:
[CattyNancy:]
The Swedes should think long and hard before they
support Western meddling in Yugoslavia! The same
kind of meddling could be used against them! See
the following:...
Or precisely the same, on that question, as something written
earlier by me, on 01.05.2000 as part of a Mayday leaflet of
mine (in translation) then:
[Rolf:]
That demand which have been raised by many is quite
justified: Sweden out of Kosovo!
Your misinformation on *this* point, concerning such a writer
as Nancy Hey, certainly is particularly strange, Javier.
d) Claudia:
By this you must must mean a writer who since - how long is
it now? - over a year, or at least several months, I think,
is no longer with us: Claudia K. White, who started pos-
ting to the ANTINATO list in November 2000 and who contribu-
ted, using variously the addresses [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and [EMAIL PROTECTED], from which last address another
writer, M.S. Darkstar, now likewise no longer heard from,
would sometimes post to ANTINATO too.
Claudia K. White in the main reproduced articles from
newspapers, magazines and websites. And in her case, not
least with contents supporting that nasty sneak green war-
fare against the people in all countries, by the very worst
among the imperialist reactionaries, which unfortunately,
some obviously sincere but very ignorant Leftists still do
*not* recognize as what it is, having been fooled into be-
lieving that it's protection of the environment or some
such things those arch-reactionaries, the US imperalists in
particular, are so extremely interested in furthering.
Against one such instance of - perhaps unwittingly, I
thought - harmful reactionary propaganda, I sent a posting
with friendly criticism and some information, in November
2000. From Claudia K. White, there then came a reply
which I found it suitable to quote and to comment on, basing
myself also on some other peculiarities which that writer
had shown, as follows below.
In the context of your now recently having advanced it as an
accusation(!) against me, Javier, that I called *that*
particular writer precisely *a spy*, it's suitable to
quote the entire main part of that reply of mine:
[QUOTE:]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Rolf Martens)
Subject:Re: Rolf... US spy Thomas Claudia
P. Murray
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bill Howard)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:43:33 +0100
STOP NATO: ¡NO PASARAN! - HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
Re: Rolf... US spy Thomas Claudia P. Murray
[Posted: 12.11.00]
Claudia K White [EMAIL PROTECTED], who
also writes from [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote to the
Stop NATO list [HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] on Tue,
07 Nov 2000 22:09:01 -0800, under subject Rolf The
Freak Swede!!!, the refreshingly revealing:
Dear Rolf
.
You are a Lunatic Nut case
What kind of Freak White Supremacist Nazi are you?
[...I hope subscribers to this list will have seen
for themselves what basis there could have been for
such theories..]
{Well, or for such slight disagreement, on the
part of Claudia, as you perhaps would call this,
Javier, considering how you characterized the re-
cent and similar statement of disagreement (above)
by David? - RM, July 2002]
and Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked, on
Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:42:33 -:
Greetings One and All of the STOPNATO NO PASARAN!
List,
May I refer to the post the subject of which begins;
Rolf..., sent on 'Wednesday, November 08, 2000
6:09 AM' apparently by; Claudia K White and may I ask
the following question:
Is there a possibility of a typing error in the
complete subject line of the post?
Yours Sincerely,
Bill Howard
Whereupon good old Claudia came back today,
Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:04:21 -0800, with:
Bill,
I don't think there is a typing error, however, I am
not recieving incoming mail much at this account, as
it is being hacked, or cracked or shall I say many
technical errors here... Perhaps you can write me
off list
Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#02) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#02) [01.07.02] [This goes to some mailing lists and some Usenet newsgroups, and also to Taimur Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED], with whom I had a brief public discussion on his In Defense of Marxism in mid-June and who may be able later to check on some things - if necssary - among those mentioned below.] Tariq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, to the MaoZe- Dong mailing list on Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:20:21 +0500, sub- ject Re: Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#01): Dear Rolf Martens, I support, 'Kick the US out of UNO'. Hello Tariq, Thank you for your support of this call, and for your in- teresting viewpoints. We thus are already three(?) supporters of that call. It was nice to learn too that some of you in Peshawar, Pa- kistan, will arrange, in the last week of July, 2002, a se- minar/debate to see how effective are the arguments con- tained in my message. I have to tell you that some inconsistencies in your message suggest that you are really not Tariq at all but only one of the many non-existent persons, so-called cyber ghosts, in- vented by a certain reactionary-minded person in the USA, Thomas P. Murray, who takes an interest in trying to fool others and at best lead them astray in various ways. If that should be the case, I'm sorry for you of course, since it cannot be fun to lead the existence of just a ghost. And in that case too, you would constitute a new development in Murray's activities, since he has not earlier been able to acquire e-mail addresses with a domain clearly of another country than that of the USA - in your case pk, a Pakistan domain. And then of course there would not really be that further support for kicking the USA out of the UN, nor such a later seminar/debate in Peshawar as that you mentioned. Anyway, here are a few comments on your viewpoints; these perhaps might interest some others even if it should turn out that you Tariq are just another Murr-Murray ghost. [Tariq, further:] I read your very lengthy message. It was a feat in itself to go through that. I deeply appreciate and admire the effort you have put in. By my very lengthy message, you no doubt mean my UNITE! Info #173en: Kick the USA out of the UN! of 28.06 which, yes, was relatively long. But something you wrote also sug- gests you didn't really read all of it. That US Murr-Murr always *was* a lazy bastard, even if striving quite hard to improve on his swindle attempts. Nevertheless, I have my reservations about the exercise be any success. Although I know much less of international law and the functioning of UNO but: The members constitute the UNO, who all operate through their officially appointed emisaries. You would agree the US could not have gone that far 'down' had she known there would be some countries tel- ling her, 'No More'. I on my part, on the contrary, hold that the call *is* quite realistic. It's true that, so far, the governments of other countries have *not* resisted the international desperate terrorist war and war threat activities of the US imperialists quite so strongly as would correspond to a number of them uniting in order, for instance, kick the USA out of that UN in which it today clearly does not belong. This is due to the bourgeois character of practically all of these governments too, of course. And in particular, the rulers of other richer countries, such as Sweden and the other West European ones, and also the new tsarists who rule Russia and the Chinese revisionists in control of China, today see a great need to team up with the militarily much stronger US imperialists, whose espionage organizations en- gage in cloak-and-dagger murder activities against the people everywhere too. These other rulers too desperately fear their own people, and the peoples everywhere. They hope that this really big-time terrorist, US imperialism, may protect them from the people in the world. At the same time, really big-time and (relatively) strong imperialist powers have always been very hungry crocodiles. Today that incomparably strongest one, US imperialism, is so insatiably hungry too that it wants, and tries, to eat up as much as it only can of Western Europe, Russia, China etc - or to be more precise, gobble up for free, as much as it only can, the products of these countries too - leaving only smaller crumbs to those other predatory, much smaller ani- mals, the respective ruling circles of those countries. Thus, even they are in certain conflict with the US rulers too. Don't feed the crocodile! was, in another but in some ways similar situation, over 60 years ago, the rather good advice of one politician who himself of course was an imperialist too, Winston Churchill of Great Britain, to the relatively rich but small countries here in Scandinavia, whose leaders in early 1940 thought that their interests were best served if they continued to provide wildly
[kominform2] Re: Is America at war with China? (*Not* with Bushy Co.?)
Haha, Agent Smiley, this really is funny! An article trying to get people to believe that behind 11 September 2001 was not good old Bushy and his good old mass murder gang after all, but - China! (Ruled today, likewise, by no nice people at all, of course.) This is on an intelligence level quite on a par with that old word explanation, in Mad Magazine, back in the late 1960s: Crèpe de Chine - Red Chinese propaganda. Only today, China by no means is red any longer, of course. The herring in this posting of yours is, however. It smells just as if it had been delivered fresh from one of those CIA fishery factories, in another primitive attempt at saving the Bushies from their present plight! Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden At 19:14 2002-06-30 -0700, you (Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - a name straight out of that good old spy fantasy) wrote, to the Free Palestine list: PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY !! ~ I think that when we are sleeping or otherwise abosrbped mentally that our organic CPU is still engaged in computation and sorting of information, driven by the need to make sense of the world. Last year I lived in Santa Rosa, California up until late September. It was here that about two thirds of the experiences I have detailed, the psychological operations aimed at de-stabilization, occurred. It is here that I had methamphetamine offered to me unceasingly. I was homeless due to the fact that A) I had left Michigan to keep from jeopardizing my family and friends during the height of the Jam Echelon Day campaign due to cryptic threats and B) I had been denied, somehow, every opportunity to make a better situation for myself. It is also here that I was offered heroin regularly. As I go on here you will see how this is key. It was in Santa Rosa wherein the person I eventually fled, the girl who was obviously assigned to me for about a year and a half, was at the center of attempts to shove certain memes (paradigms) down my throat. One of those was a reverence for the now popular dragon iconography you are seeing about. I must caution against assuming that anyone bearing such, be it on a t-shirt or a tattoo, is in cahoots with what I am leading into. It was in Santa Rosa that I had a very disturbing dream and this is the gist of what I was circumlocuting in the first sentence of this text. I do not have dreams like this and I did not even during the height of my psyop induced angst, except for this once. I submit that my unconscious was speaking the only language it knows how to transmit to the conscious mind, the language of the mythic, of dreams, of symbolism. I believe my unconscious had pieced together something that my conscious mind was only vaguely aware of, in its endless computations. I believe this is the nature of prophecy and I believe we are all prophets at times. My dream was of billowy Arabian tents, of a dragon, and of much blood. The words The dragon has shed its spines and gone undergound echoed for months in my head. We had gone from the year of the dragon into the year of the snake. I am sorry that it was not more specific. It bothered me all night and I hardly slept. This was June, 2001. In case you are wondering, I am NOT making this up. See: How do you recruit a person to rain terror, death and destruction on people they do not even know? Do you look for someone who is already evil? No. You use bait. The best bait is information that can easily be accepted as true and may, from a certain perspective, in fact be true. http://www.factnet.org/letters/FACTNewsOctober2001.html ~ Now what the hell does this have to do with anything? I was driven to relay the story above by what I believe is a revelation of sorts that I had today. FACT: China bought four hundred million dollars worth of the very 757's that struck the World Trade Center. Someone needs to explain to me why this was done if these jets had just been shown to be vulnerable. Boeing signs huge China deal http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1574000/1574486.stm FACT: The international cabals we have been often speaking of (or CLUBS if you prefer) always seem to cross paths with Henry Kissinger. FACT: Last year, in the spring, Kissinger and his CFR buddies presented China with what was allegedly new incriminating evidence regarding the Tiennamen square incident years ago. You've heard a lot of mixed info on Lyndon LaRouche for sure. This is because his research department is phenomenal but his conclusions as to what to do about he world he paints with an accurate brush are questionable. It IS he that reports this information. Here is the url. Take it in context with the following two items. http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2803_cfr.html FACT: Kissinger now sits as top advisor to a huge Chines oil firm. What does TOP advisor exactly mean unless he is calling the shots. http://www.cnooc.com.cn/english/news/news_detail.asp?idnews=352 FACT: THIS happened on September 6, 2001: Chinese authorities shut
Re: Is America at war with China? (*Not* with Bushy Co.?) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Haha, Agent Smiley, this really is funny! An article trying to get people to believe that behind 11 September 2001 was not good old Bushy and his good old mass murder gang after all, but - China! (Ruled today, likewise, by no nice people at all, of course.) This is on an intelligence level quite on a par with that old word explanation, in Mad Magazine, back in the late 1960s: Crèpe de Chine - Red Chinese propaganda. Only today, China by no means is red any longer, of course. The herring in this posting of yours is, however. It smells just as if it had been delivered fresh from one of those CIA fishery factories, in another primitive attempt at saving the Bushies from their present plight! Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden At 19:14 2002-06-30 -0700, you (Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - a name straight out of that good old spy fantasy) wrote, to the Free Palestine list: PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY !! ~ I think that when we are sleeping or otherwise abosrbped mentally that our organic CPU is still engaged in computation and sorting of information, driven by the need to make sense of the world. Last year I lived in Santa Rosa, California up until late September. It was here that about two thirds of the experiences I have detailed, the psychological operations aimed at de-stabilization, occurred. It is here that I had methamphetamine offered to me unceasingly. I was homeless due to the fact that A) I had left Michigan to keep from jeopardizing my family and friends during the height of the Jam Echelon Day campaign due to cryptic threats and B) I had been denied, somehow, every opportunity to make a better situation for myself. It is also here that I was offered heroin regularly. As I go on here you will see how this is key. It was in Santa Rosa wherein the person I eventually fled, the girl who was obviously assigned to me for about a year and a half, was at the center of attempts to shove certain memes (paradigms) down my throat. One of those was a reverence for the now popular dragon iconography you are seeing about. I must caution against assuming that anyone bearing such, be it on a t-shirt or a tattoo, is in cahoots with what I am leading into. It was in Santa Rosa that I had a very disturbing dream and this is the gist of what I was circumlocuting in the first sentence of this text. I do not have dreams like this and I did not even during the height of my psyop induced angst, except for this once. I submit that my unconscious was speaking the only language it knows how to transmit to the conscious mind, the language of the mythic, of dreams, of symbolism. I believe my unconscious had pieced together something that my conscious mind was only vaguely aware of, in its endless computations. I believe this is the nature of prophecy and I believe we are all prophets at times. My dream was of billowy Arabian tents, of a dragon, and of much blood. The words The dragon has shed its spines and gone undergound echoed for months in my head. We had gone from the year of the dragon into the year of the snake. I am sorry that it was not more specific. It bothered me all night and I hardly slept. This was June, 2001. In case you are wondering, I am NOT making this up. See: How do you recruit a person to rain terror, death and destruction on people they do not even know? Do you look for someone who is already evil? No. You use bait. The best bait is information that can easily be accepted as true and may, from a certain perspective, in fact be true. http://www.factnet.org/letters/FACTNewsOctober2001.html ~ Now what the hell does this have to do with anything? I was driven to relay the story above by what I believe is a revelation of sorts that I had today. FACT: China bought four hundred million dollars worth of the very 757's that struck the World Trade Center. Someone needs to explain to me why this was done if these jets had just been shown to be vulnerable. Boeing signs huge China deal http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1574000/1574486.stm FACT: The international cabals we have been often speaking of (or CLUBS if you prefer) always seem to cross paths with Henry Kissinger. FACT: Last year, in the spring, Kissinger and his CFR buddies presented China with what was allegedly new incriminating evidence regarding the Tiennamen square incident years ago. You've heard a lot of mixed info on Lyndon LaRouche for sure. This is because his research department is phenomenal but his conclusions as to what to do about he world he paints with an accurate brush are questionable. It IS he that reports this information. Here is the url. Take it in context with the following two items. http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2803_cfr.html FACT: Kissinger now sits as top advisor to a huge Chines oil firm. What does TOP advisor exactly mean unless he is calling the shots. http://www.cnooc.com.cn/english/news/news_detail.asp?idnews=352 FACT: THIS
Fwd: 9-11. U. of Ottawa Professor Says Evidence Shows U.S. Helped Plan Attack
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:13:34 +0300 Subject:9-11. U. of Ottawa Professor Says Evidence Shows U.S. Helped Plan Attacks From: Macdonald Stainsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [R-G] U. of Ottawa Professor Says Evidence Shows U.S. Helped Plan Attacks U. of Ottawa Professor Says Evidence Shows U.S. Helped Plan Attacks Ruppert Kicked Out of Canada -- But He Was Leaving Anyway U.S. COMPLICITY IN 9-11 ATTACKS WIDELY ACCEPTED AT G6B SUMMIT IN CANADA June 27, 2002, 16:00 PDT (FTW) -- An estimated crowd of 1,200 turned out on June 25 at the University of Calgary's MacEwan Hall to hear FTW Publisher Mike Ruppert and University of Ottawa Professor Michel Chossudovsky present evidence of and a rationale for U.S. government complicity in last September's terrorist attacks. (See photos at www.fromthewilderness.com). Their two-and-a- half-hour presentation, including documentary evidence, was greeted with a standing ovation. In a question and answer session after the lecture, not one audience member questioned that the Bush Administration needed the attacks in order to mobilize public support for a war to control Central Asian oil reserves and the cash from the Afghani opium trade. Traditionally, Afghanistan has been the world's largest producer of opium. The G6B -- standing for a global population of six billion people whose interests need to be balanced against the corporate interests of the industrialized world -- was a three-day event sponsored by, among others, the government of Canada, Amnesty International and the University of Calgary. It brought delegates and activists together from 60 countries. The counter summit was timed and located in Calgary, Alberta so as to juxtapose it with the G8 meeting in nearby Kananaskis of the world's eight largest industrialized nations starting on June 26. The first-ever joint presentation involving Ruppert and Chossudovsky, an economics professor, presented the strongest evidence to date that not only did the Bush Administration have complete foreknowledge of the attacks and allow them to happen, but also that the CIA had a direct hand in financing the attacks. Chossudovsky presented documentary evidence from ABC news, citing FBI sources, confirming a report that Gen. Mahmud Ahmad, then-chief of the Pakistani intelligence service (ISI), ordered for $100,000 to be wired to lead hijacker Mohammed Atta just weeks before the attacks. The new corroboration from U.S. media, using FBI sources, gave considerable weight to earlier press stories originating in India linking the ISI to 9/11. [These new revelations will be the subject of an upcoming story in FTW]. General Ahmad arrived in Washington on Sept. 4 and met with, among others, his good friend [CIA Director] George Tenet, [Deputy Secretary of State] Richard Armitage, [Sen.] Joe Biden, [D-Del.,] and the heads of the two intelligence committees, Chossudovsky said. To me the issue of foreknowledge is a red herring. Osama bin Laden is and remains to this day a CIA asset. Even now his Al Qaeda operatives are working with the Kosovo Liberation Army who are U.S. allies and with U.S.-backed forces in Macedonia. Members of Al Q'aeda have been protected as they moved into Kashmir where they are now fomenting conflict between India and Pakistan. The evidence is becoming clearer every day that the U.S. government helped to plan and fund the Sept. 11 attacks, said Chossudovsky. In addition, Chossudovsky has uncovered what may be complicity on the part of the major media in hiding the smoking gun. Using transcripts from the Federal Records Service (FRS), Chossudovsky obtained the transcript of a question posed to National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rica at a May 16 press conference, in which she was asked if she had met with the ISI chief while he was in Washington. The CNN transcript of the event indicated that the words ISI chief were inaudible when, in fact, they were quite audible to the FRS. Rice's response was a troubled, I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me. Chossudovsky painted a broad picture of globalization pushing events toward a possible nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan by noting that one U.S. company with strong intelligence and military connections, MPRI of Vienna, Va., was acting as adviser to both governments. He also noted the strong links between CIA Director George Tenet and Deputy Secretary of State Armitage to the leaders of both countries. Chossudovsky also pointed out that George W. Bush receives daily personal intelligence briefings from the CIA Director -- a custom that has never previously been followed by any sitting president. Previously most CIA briefings have been delivered in written format. Ruppert, using new evidence of U.S. government foreknowledge disclosed by major media sources and through recent press
Fwd: FBI torture of Muslims in US [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Cameron, I'm forwarding this to some other mailing lists, and to some Usenet newsgroups. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Cameron McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:21:15 -0500 Subject:eFreePalestine! FBI torture of Muslims in US I know this is beyond the scope of this group, but we must spread the word about what is happening here in the US to all Muslim people. It has gone far beyond detention and harassment. A terrifying article from Dawn (www.dawn.com), Pakistan's English-language newspaper, which is in no way considered extreme. This was published June 23rd and passed on to me by my friend Raza, in Pakistan. Note particularly: Mohammad Rafiq Butt, a Pakistani, was picked up by the FBI after 9/11 and was tortured to death. The INS reluctantly sent his body back to his family in Pakistan who carried out an independent autopsy and discovered that the cause of his death was severe beating and torture. (taken from within the following article). Has anyone read a word about such actions? Lisa, now quoting the article and, through anyone who can pass them on, sending condolences and my personal shame to the victims of this kind of terror. FBI and INS into racial profiling of Muslims By Anjum Niaz Caramel coloured clouds that hang atop Brooklyn Prison and Detention Centre lend a sober sight to a treeless, flowerless and a friendless neighbourhood. Dog-dirt strewn across the pavement emits a fowl smell, while the desolate structures all around look like a wild west movie set. An odd immigrant shopkeeper shuffles around, eyes downcast, lost in his weary shack. The silence is eerie. Unbelievable that only 10 subway stops away is lovely Manhattan, and its alluring sights and smells with wealthy Americans out shopping on late Saturday summer morning! As I cross under a Brooklyn bridge, laden with water (a burst sewer?), I see the protesters gathered in front of the Prison, across the road. The poker-faced police is in full force and have cordoned the area. My effort to stray off and get a close shot of the maximum-security federal prison sends a scowling cop scampering after me with a stern warning that such a trespass will not be tolerated. Every Saturday, for the past 21 weeks, protesters have assembled in this very spot to demonstrate against FBI and INS (Immigration Service) detention of over 2,200 Arab and Pakistani immigrants since 9/11. We are experiencing one of the worst periods of xenophobic and racist backlash this country has seen in recent history, Robina Niaz, a Pakistani volunteer tells me. She works with Justice for Detainees Coalition. She adds, The Arabs and Pakistanis have been under direct attack in the forms of racial violence, racial profiling, mass incarcerations and deportations. None have been charged with crimes connected to the 9/11. We live in fear because these incidents have gone unreported as INS, FBI and NYPD (New York Police) are still continuing to kidnap members of our community. Flashing images of Pakistani men being deported on visa violations come to my mind as Adem Carroll, Relief Coordinator for Islamic Circle of North America, tells me, We have received reports that some Pakistanis have been deported in their jail clothes, an orange jumpsuit, which may criminalize them in the eyes of the authorities back there. Wait a second. To be dressed in a jailbird orange jumpsuit and arriving on your sacred homeland is the ultimate humility the Americans can heap on Pakistanis! Can one imagine these fallen men to ever lead normal lives again? And yet, not a stir of protest from our Embassy here nor from authorities in Pakistan. Such official indifference is so devastating. About the identity of these unfortunate men, Adem tells me, For the moment, I will not provide the names we have as I would like to give them time to readjust back in Pakistan. Apart from the humiliation and indignity they have suffered, it's difficult as many have lost their savings with legal fees or to keep families fed during their confinement. Some have Americanized children who may find return to Pakistan a new but confusing experience. Brooklyn has been one of the INS's main targets. Hundreds of Muslims have disappeared in the middle of the night, with most of their loved ones still being kept in the dark about their charges and conditions. The INS refuses to return our phone calls or answer our letters, says Adem. While his organization has spent $150,000 for legal services, attorneys are reluctant to take up pro bono cases because of the stigma attached. Mohammad Azmath and Ayyub Ali remain in solitary confinement after nine months in this prison. This does not mean that the charges of terrorism against
Re: Is America at war with China? (*Not* with Bushy Co.?) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 08:55 2002-07-01 -0400, you ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ---Why did you even bother to post this stuff? Stopnato is more serious than this, and you are being irresponsible to post the ravings of some drug addict-paranoid-LaRouchian nutcase! Heather, I posted this in order to show one more of the *desperate CIA red herring attempts* to throw people off the real scent (that of Bushy friends) in the case of 11 September 2001. As a such (as I pointed out it was too), it was of some interest, I believe, and not at all irresponsible to show, *with those comments by me added*. And *you* are quite wrong - might even be called irrespon- sible - in trying to make people believe that *this* thing came from that small LaRouche bourgeois group in the USA, *not* from (main) CIA quarters. I among other things, rather early on, quoted, to this list too, what *LaRouche* on his part *did* say - even the very same day, 11 Sept 2001, when he happened to be in a radio interviwe at the very time those Bushy- (etc) directed planes were flying smack into the WTC towers: *He* said - as you must know - that clearly, such a thing could *not* have been done without the *connivance of some highly-placed persons in the USA itself*. And in this, he of course was quite right. By no means did LaRouche - then or later - hint anything about China. And you, Heather, expressed *anger* at that time, back in September 2001, at my even qouting such a person as LaRouche, saying - then too, but *then* with *another* reason given by you for this - that he was a nutcase, implying too that his correct pointing at such highly-placed US persons was all wrong. Responsible acting, then, on your part? Respon- sible acting by you now? True enough, the theory of LaRouche was, some *rouge* influential people in the US, *not* the administration itself. And in this, he clearly was/is wrong, it has turned out later - or hasn't it? Trying to pin the China done it? red herring on the LaRouche people, that's pretty bad anyway, Heather - I did appreciate your info on quite another matter, having to with the people's justified defence against the present attacks on democratic rights in the US. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fwd: Einstein, Arendt et.al to NYT, 04.12.1948, on Begin etc [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.U
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; From: Raja Mattar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:07:14 +0300 Subject: Einstein, Arendt et.al to the New York Times, Dec. 4, 1948 Very Important Document Very important document [This is the full text of the letter that Einstein, Hannah Arendt, and many other Jewish intellectuals sent to the N.Y. Times on Dec. 4, 1948, protesting the visit of Menahim Begin. Of particular interest is the reference to the Deir Yassin massacre which occurred earlier that year, and the reference to the Herut party, the predecessor of Likud, as Nazi and Fascist party. It is also worth noting that Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir who were members of the party became Prime Ministers. One small proviso: the names of some of the signatories may have been misspelled as the zealous person who located the letter had to type it herself from a faded copy. Raja Mattar] ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / Letters to The Editor New York Times ?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags /December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES: Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the Freedom Party (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begins political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents. Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begins behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begins party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future. Attack on Arab Village A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants 240 men, women, and children and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party. Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the
Re: Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#02) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 22:44 2002-07-01 -0400, you ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote, to the ANTINATO and MaoZeDong mailing lists: [Quoting me, RM:] have to tell you that some inconsistencies in your message suggest that you are really not Tariq at all but only one of the many non-existent persons, so-called cyber ghosts, in- vented by a certain reactionary-minded person in the USA, Thomas P. Murray, who takes an interest in trying to fool others and at best lead them astray in various ways. Yet another sign of an extremely paranoid individual, seriously in need of councelling. How very interesting, Davey-baby! You're arging that Tariq is real, and not another Murray invention. Well, let's wait a little and see how things turn out concerning that. Tariq did promise me, as you saw too, a report on a certain seminar/debate which would take place in Peshawar, Pakistan, last week in July. I've informed Taimur Rahman, UK, who's of Pakistani origin, about this too; he no doubt will have some possibilities of checking this out, in August or so. And you yourself David, could you perhaps be related, cyberspace-wise, to Tariq too? Let's see what the future will show. [RM, earlier: Kick the USA out of the UN!] [Fisk:] ... said, I agree- [USA] and Israel! The two nations that continually vote against peace and progress! [Tariq:] I will like to add another name: India. Well, Tariq, that was one thing which you wrote that was *completely out of character* for any *genuine* Pakistani Leftist. But a typical one for a stupid reactionary US bourgeois person, such as the inveterate cyber ghost in- ventor Thomas P. Murray, to try to *make people believe* a Pakistani Leftist might writ AH -- but how does the enlightened marxist Rolf Marten of Sweden define such a term as a ' genuine Pakistani Leftist'?; and for that matter,genuine leftist? Under what circumstances is this title revoked? You don't like my calling that stoopid Murr-Murray stoopid? This may have one very simple explanation, or what do other readers think? Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fwd: UK Pakistanis tell of US prison horror [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:48:05 -0500 From: Cameron McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rolf Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Fwd: FBI torture of Muslims in US The New York Times ran a story about the guy whose jaw was broken and then was refused medical care, but I haven't been able to find it. It may be archived already or has been pulled. Here is another account of Pakistani detention from that same FreePalestine digest (2666): Saturday, 29 June, 2002, 19:44 GMT 20:44 UK Pakistanis tell of US prison horror Observers say anti-US feeling is likely to rise By Owais Tohid BBC reporter in Islamabad Pakistanis repatriated in recent days say they have suffered months of degradation and abuse in prisons across the United States. I was shackled and handcuffed - completely bound - and questioned as if I were an associate of Osama Bin Laden Mufeed Khan Los Angeles resident Some 131 Pakistanis, many who had lived in the US for years, were deported and flown home two days ago - most charged by US immigration with overstaying their welcome and having invalid documents. All were detained in the months after the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington last year. The deportees arrived in Islamabad late on Thursday aboard a chartered Portuguese airliner, and were allowed to go to their homes. Pakistan is co-operating with America... and America in return is treating Pakistanis as terrorists Jahanzeb Zulfikar Iowa resident They accuse the US of forcibly sending them back following 11 September, and say the treatment meted out to them in prisons and in detention was inhuman and unjust. I was treated as a terrorist. I was psychologically tortured in the prison, 35-year-old Mufeed Khan told the BBC on Saturday. I was shackled and handcuffed - completely bound - and questioned as if I were an associate of Osama Bin Laden. Dream sours Mr Khan had lived in America for 11 years and ran a small business in Los Angeles before his detention in February this year. US attorney-general has led crackdown For me America was the dreamland. I used to think that I was lucky to live in a liberal and democratic country. But the dreamland became hell for me after 11 September, he says. Even if I was not carrying valid documents to stay there, I did not deserve such treatment. I was treated badly because I am a Muslim. Carrying a Muslim name should not be a crime. Not every Muslim is an extremist or a terrorist. 'Injustice' Like Mr Khan most of the deportees complained of ill treatment by the US authorities. Before 11 September we were Pakistani Americans - now we have become aliens who want to destroy America Arshad Mehmood Chicago resident Jahanzeb Zulfikar, 28, is one of them. He had been detained since April. He says he went to the US on a student visa when he was just 17 years old, and was living in Iowa. I never thought I would be put through such mental torture. My rights were abused, m dignity violated and self-respect insulted and compromised in the detention centre, Mr Zulfikar told the BBC. Pakistan is co-operating with America in its fight against terrorists - and America in return is treating Pakistanis as terrorists. Isn't this injustice? Tough laws In the aftermath of 11 September, strict legislation regarding immigration was introduced in the US. It gave sweeping powers to law enforcement agencies to detain people without charge. Many, even within the US, say the measures are draconian. Hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis are still living in America. Since the 1980s, going to America has been a dream for many teenagers who want to make their fortunes in the United States. The exodus continued until recently. Many families have moved in their entirety, and are living there illegally. 'Friend of Osama' But those who have been deported say the US authorities want to demoralise and discourage Pakistanis from staying in America. Pakistan has been integral to the coalition against terror. This will influence public opinion Mohammad Riaz, analyst Arshad Mehmood, who lived in Chicago for almost a decade, has now been sent back. For them (the American authorities) every Pakistani is now an activist of the Taleban or a friend of Osama. They do not want us to live over there. Before 11 September we were Pakistani Americans - now we have become aliens who want to destroy America, Mehmood says. They have deported me and allowed my wife and two children to stay in America. Obviously we cannot live our lives like this. Soon my wife and children are coming to Pakistan, he says. 'Betrayed' Pakistani officials say they are expecting more Pakistani deportees from America. The families and friends of those detained or deported are embittered by these accounts. There already exists anti-American sentiment in certain elements of society. Observers believe these accounts will further spur such feelings, even among those who were
Fwd: Join us July 10 in SF - Freedom of Liaoyang 5! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:15:29 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: OWC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Join us July 10 in SF for Noon Protest to Demand Freedom of Liaoyang 5! OWC CAMPAIGN NEWS - distributed by the Open World Conference in Defense of Trade Union Independence Democratic Rights, c/o S.F. Labor Council, 1188 Franklin St., #203, San Francisco, CA 94109. to SUBSCRIBE, contact the OWC at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To UNSUBSCRIBE, contact the OWC at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Phone: (415) 641-8616 Fax: (415) 440-9297. Visit our website at www.owcinfo.org - Notify if any change in email address. (Please excuse duplicate postings, and please feel free to re-post.) --- IN THIS MESSAGE 1) Introduction: A Revealing Conversation with Chinese Consulate PR Head in SF 2) Notes on Phone Call with Mr. Hong Li, Head of Public Relations at the Chinese Consulate 3) Urgent Appeal: July 10 -- International Day of Action to Free the Liaoyang 5! 4) Support Coupon for International Campaign to Free the Liaoyang 5! 1) Introduction: A Revealing Conversation with Chinese Consulate PR Head in SF Dear Sisters and Brothers: On Friday, June 28th, I asked Krista Husar, a volunteer with the OWC Continuations Committee, if she would call the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco on behalf of the San Francisco Labor Council (AFL-CIO) and the OWC Continuations Committee to set up an appointment with the Consulate on Wednesday, July 10. On that date we will be sending a representative labor com- munity delegation to the Chinese Consulate -- as part of the July 10 International Day of Action to Free the Liaoyang 5 -- to demand the immediate and unconditional release from prison of the five unionists in Liaoyang, northeast China, and to express our strong-felt concern that China should ratify and implement ILO Conventions 87 and 98, which call for the right to strike and to form independent trade unions. [Note: See below the Appeal for the July 10 International Day of Action to Free the Liaoyang 5. Also visit our web site at owcinfo.org to read more about the struggle of the Liaoyang workers and the recent international labor delegation to Liaoyang organized by the International Liaison Committee for a Workers' International (ILC).] Krista, who will be coordinating our July 10 delegation and rally here in San Francisco, called the Chinese Consulate to make this appointment and spoke briefly with Mr. Hong Li, head of Public Relations at the Consulate. I am sending you below the notes Krista took from this call, which -- as you will see -- reveal a hardline stance by the Chinese authori- ties against the Liaoyang 5 and their supporters. Despite the Consulate's initial refusal to receive our dele- gation, we will keep calling them to insist that they receive us. In coordination with the San Francisco Labor Council we will also organize a noon-time rally and press conference on July 10 in front of the Chinese Consulate in SF to report on the outcome of our delegation, to reiterate our demands, and to provide an update on the struggle of the Liaoyang workers for their basic rights. We urge all unionists and supporters of labor rights in the San Francisco Bay Area to sign the Urgent Appeal below, which we will submit to the Chinese Consulate on July 10. Our goal is to submit thousands of signatures on this appeal. (Please forward this appeal to your contacts and friends.) We also urge you to join us during your lunch break at 12 noon on July 10 in front of the Chinese Consulate at 1450 Laguna St. (corner of Geary Blvd), near Japantown. We espe- cially call on union locals, community organizations, and labor rights groups to contact Krista Husar at 415-626-1175 to help us coordinate this protest action and to have speakers and banners at the event on July 10. One final yet important political note: Contrary to what Mr. Hong Li, head of Public Relations at the Chinese Consulate, implied in his response to Krista Husar, our campaign is not marked by any hostility whatsoever towards the People's Re- public of China and the Chinese people. Its aim is to convey our solidarity with the Chinese workers who are struggling for their rights. To defend the right of the Chinese workers to organize independently is not an attack against China. On the contrary, it is a condition to allow those who create the wealth of the country to defend themselves. The multinational corporations are requesting from those in power in China the unlimited right to exploit the Chinese workers. They do not hide the fact that their plans and their needs require the destructive privatization of State enter- prises and the dismantling of all systems of social protec- tion in China. The international financial institutions of Global Capitalism clearly say that tens of millions of lay- offs will
Fwd: USA. [IAC] Report from June 29 protest in defense of civil rights [WWW.ST
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:32:38 +0300 Subject:USA. [IAC] Report from June 29 protest in defense of civil rights From: Action Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:34:39 -0400 Subject: [IAC] Report from June 29 protest in defense of civil rights PRESS RELEASE June 29, 2002 ACTIVISTS PROTEST IN DEFENSE OF CIVIL RIGHTS AT THE FBI'S WASHINGTON D.C. HEADQUARTERS *Rallies Also Take Place In Over 30 Cities Around the Country Over 1,000 people came out today to protest the Bush/Ashcroft assault on civil rights and civil liberties in Washington D.C., demanding the repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act and other unconstitutional measures. Along with demonstrations held over the weekend in thirty other U.S. cities, the actions launched a nationwide campaign called by the A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition to defend civil rights and civil liberties While the government has tried hard to single out and demonize one segment of the population under the phony war on terrorism, today the Arab, South Asian and Muslim communities were joined by anti-war activists, civil rights attorneys and others who are angry at Bush's campaign of racist profiling and mass detentions. Demonstrators also condemned the monitoring of libraries by FBI agents under the USA PATRIOT Act; the elimination of basic constitutional protections; the forced fingerprinting of immigrants; the mass detentions of Arab and Muslim people; and the reinstatement of COINTELPRO and Hoover-style harassment by the FBI. The Bush administration is criminalizing dissent, said Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, an attorney with the Partnership for Civil Justice. The Bush administration, with an all-war all-the-time agenda, knows people will want to protest the spending of billions on war while cutting school budgets and healthcare. Today's demonstration in Washington and in thirty other cities signals the beginning of a fightback movement against the domestic war being waged against civil rights, stated Larry Holmes, a leader of the International Action Center and spokesperson for A.N.S.W.E.R. Racial profiling has been an ever-present reality for African-American and Latino people and other people of color for centuries. Bush and Ashcroft are now legally sanctifying this odious policy under the rubric of the War on Terrorism and codifying it in the so-called PATRIOT Act, Holmes stated. We all have a stake in defending civil rights and this demonstration proves that people are responding, stated Mahdi Bray, Executive Director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, who served as the co-chair for the DC rally. Tens of thousands of people who were attending the annual Folk Life Festival on the Mall in Washington DC saw the civil rights march as it wound through the crowded street adjoining the Festival. Carrying brightly colored banners and signs, the marches distributed thousands of leaflets entitled: Why we are Marching to Defend Civil Rights. A number of young people in the crowd left the mall and joined the march for several blocks as it moved forward past the White House for a closing rally. International A.N.S.W.E.R. Act Now to Stop War End Racism http://www.internationalanswer.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Send replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] T _ KOMINFORM P.O. Box 66 00841 Helsinki Phone +358-40-7177941 Fax +358-9-7591081 http://www.kominf.pp.fi --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fwd: US vs. World at the UN: Kick the USA out! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Fwd: US vs. World at the UN: Kick the USA out! [30.06.02] From the Socialism and Communism Forum at http://www.pwrhouse.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forumf=272 Topic: The United States versus the World at the United Nations : Kick the USA out! Author: Fisk posted June 28, 2002 09:28 PM (EST) -- The United States versus the World at the United Nations America, we have all been taught for half a century, is the leader of The Free World. If this is so, it's proper to ask: Where are the followers? Where is the evidence that Washington's world view sways the multitude of nations? To enlist support for its wars in Korea, Vietnam and the Persian Gulf, the United States had to resort to bribery and threats. At the United Nations, the US has, with noteworthy regula- rity, been on the minority side in voting on resolutions. The table below shows a portion of this pattern. It covers an ar- bitrarily chosen 10-year period, 1978 through 1987, and is composed of the following sections: 1978-1981: All voting in the General Assembly examined; only those resolutions for which the US cast a solitary no vote or were joined by one or two other nations are listed. 1982-1983: All voting in the General Assembly examined; only those resolutions for which the US cast a solitary no vote are listed. 1984-1987: Only a portion of the General Assembly resolutions are examined, and a sample has been selected, primarily for diversity. [Note: Naturally enough, the question of the voting of the then existing likewise important pillar of international reaction, the social-imperialist Soviet Union (up until 1991), in general (with one exception) is not dealt with in this compliation, by the writer Wiliam Blum. - RM, June 2002] The number of abstentions is not shown. There were many reso- lutions where Israel cast a solitary no vote and the US was the sole abstainer. Voting on resolutions of the Security Council and the Economic and Social Council are not included here, but these votes show a very similar pattern. In the Council -- where its solitary no vote is enough to defeat a measure -- the United States is free to play its role of in- ternational school bully. We were all also taught that the Communists had no respect for world opinion. ... a decent respect to the opinions of mankind ... The Declaration of Independence Date/ Resolution Yes-No vote Issue Number 1978 Dec. 15 33/75 119-2 (US, Israel) Urges the Security Council, especially its permanent members, to take all necessary measures for insuring UN decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security. Dec. 18 33/110 110-2 (US, Israel) Living conditions of the Palestinian people Dec. 18 33/113C 97-3 (US, Israel, Guatemala) Condemnation of Israeli human rights record in occupied territories Dec. 19 33/136 119-1 (US) Calls upon developed countries to increase quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries. 1979 Jan. 24 33/183M 114-3 (US, France, UK) To end all military and nuclear collaboration with apartheid South Africa Jan. 29 33/196 111-1 (US) Protectionism of developing countries' exports Nov. 23 34/46 136-1 (US) Alternate approaches within the UN system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms Nov. 23 34/52E 121-3 (US, Israel, Australia) Return of inhabitants expelled by Israel. Dec. 11 34/83J 120-3 (US, UK, France) Negotiations on disarmament and cessation of nuclear arms race. Dec. 12 34/90A 111-2 (US, Israel) Demand that Israel desist from certain human rights viola- tions Dec. 12 34/93D 132-3 (US, UK, France) Strengthening arms embargo against South Africa Dec. 12 34/93I 134-3 (US, UK, France) Assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement. Dec. 14 34/100 104-2 (US, Israel) Against support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of States. Dec. 14 34/113 120-2 (US, Israel) Request for report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries. Dec. 14 34/133 112-3 (US, Israel, Canada) Assistance to Palestinian people. Dec. 14 34/136 118-2 (US, Israel) Sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab terri- tories. Dec. 17 34/158 121-2 (US, Israel) Prepare and carry out the UN Conference on Women Dec. 17 34/160 122-2 (US, Israel) Include Palestinian women in agenda of UN Conference on Women Dec. 19 34/199 112-1 (US) Safeguarding rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations 1980 Nov. 3 35/13E 96-3 (US, Israel, Canada) Requests Israel to return displace persons. Dec. 5 35/57 134-1 (US) Establishment of a New International Economic Order to pro- mote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation. Dec. 5 35/75 118-2 (US, Israel) Condemns Israeli policy re the
Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#01) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Support for kicking the USA out of the UN (#01) [30.06.02] In reply to my UNITE! Info #173en: Kick the USA out of the UN! on Friday, 28.06.2002, the signature Fisk, who manages the Socialism and Communism Forum at http://www.pwrhouse.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forumf=272, wrote, likewise on 28.06, to the Forum mentioned: I agree- and Israel! The two nations that continually vote against peace and progress! We thus now so far have 2 (individual) supporters of this call, which will be brought to the attention of as many people, organizations and governments (above all those of internationally-oppressed and -exploited countries, in- cluding those today under direct US military attack or threat) as possible. Fisk also showed us others on that forum an article (a UN resolutions-voting compilation 1978-1992) by William Blum, which he gave the title: The United States versus the World at the United Nations: Kick the USA out!. This will be forwarded separately. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Ignorant(?) Jew-baiter #5, now on ANTINATO list [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Ignorant(?) Jew-baiter #5, now on ANTINATO list [27.06.02] Hello David O. Q. [EMAIL PROTECTED], You wrote, to the ANTINATO mailing list on Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:52:23 -0400, subject Re: To ignorant(?) Jew-baiter #1 on Free Palestine list: Rolf: I have to disagree. Zionism could be labeled a 20 century adaptation to Judaism. To label it a political movement would be to imply that there is essentially rational con- siderations driving the policies of the state of Israel (that is to say, that what drives Israeli 'foreign policy' relates primarily to imperialist ambitions). ... David O. Q. I can only repeat what I wrote to Jew-baiter #1, that people who write such things as you do either are agents of Zionism engaging in that old standard trick of such of trying to discredit support for the just cause of Free Palestine by equating it with *anti-Semitism* (Jew-baiting) or else, possibly, in fact are just as utterly ignorant of some very basic facts as they make out to be. Can there be such animals in Canada (too)? You're adding yourself to the group of these writers, to the Free Palestine list (in case you people[?] in fact are different people and not the products of one and the same person, for instance, which seems to be one possibility too - the others are all US-based and perhaps someone there could also get a Canadian account?): #1: HnsomDevil [EMAIL PROTECTED] (X-Yahoo-Profile: ziohazard), #2: [EMAIL PROTECTED], who signs himself sometimes as Michael Von Shearer (yes, actually, with a capital V like that) and somentimes as just m, #3: amnehtt [EMAIL PROTECTED] and #4: bob luce [EMAIL PROTECTED]. An interesting group(?) of writers. I suggest that others keep an eye on stuff coming from them/you in the future too, and watch out for possible traps in it. It cannot hurt to repeat one more time, I suppose, in case ignorance *is* the problem in your case, that which I cal- led Some flowers-and-bees stuff on 'Israel', on Zionism and on anti-Semitism. Follows below here. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden SOME FLOWERS-AND-BEES STUFF ON ISRAEL, ON ZIONISM AND ON ANTI-SEMITISM Here are the quotes I promised you [Jew-baiter #1], with information which I think is bery basic and relevant in this context and whose correctness you will be able to check on in various ways: [QUOTE, from a 1 May leaflet of mine, posted in translation 01.05.2002 and later to the Free Palestine as 'UNITE! Info #171en: Rich countries and Israel':] 1. WHY ISRAEL WAS CREATED, AND WHY IT'S STILL SO IMPORTANT FOR ALL IMPERIALISTS TO SUPPORT IT TO THE VERY LAST The racist state of Israel, which now occupies Pa- lestine, was created, in 1948, by a joint action of the governments of all the rich states in the world, in order to function as a military bastion of theirs, in the strategically important region of the Middle East, for the continued oppression and continued ex- treme exploitation of all the poorer countries. The very point of that state from the begining on was for it to constantly engage in aggression and terror, not only against the vast majority of the original inhabitants of Palestine but against all other peoples in that region too. It was intended to function as a killer instrument of the imperialists', a particular scourge of theirs against the 200 mil- lion Arabic-speaking people who live in or close to the Middle East, a mad dog to perpetrate aggressive war after aggressive war. This is what this very particular kind of state has done too, earlier above all in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1982. And this is what it's once more doing today, in early/mid-2002. Against the atrocities perpetrated by it now, people are protesting everywhere. The imperialists with all their propaganda resources are continuing to say what they have said in the last 50 years and more, that Israel was created in order to offer protection for believers in the Jewish faith from that racist persecution which they have been subjected to since centuries back and still are being subjected to in many countries, and in particu- lar from such genocide against them as was perpetra- ted by the Nazis during World War II. This is another of the big lies of the imperialists. The rulers of the rich countries in reality never were against racist persecution, nor against genocide. On the contrary, both of these things are an integral part of the present social order in the world, that of capitalism developed into imperialism. ... [END OF QUOTE] [QUOTE, from Sami, eWilderness [EMAIL PROTECTED], pos- ting to Free Palestine list Fri, 21 Jun 2002
Re: Berkeley Leading Change [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- OK, I now understand that these discussions were/are *not* a good new thing, after all. In particular because of what Snehal S. wrote, as quoted below, I retract my earlier recommendation that this be tried elsewhere. Clearly, no real progress has been achieved, perhaps not even intended; on the contrary, just another distraction of a type infamous since long, here in Sweden too, for instance. I'm forwarding this also to some other lists. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden At 21:19 2002-06-24 -0700, you (Dave Kersting [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If Israel's supporters insist on maintaining its identity as an officially Jewish state, if they insist on perpetuating the violent expulsion of ethnically unsuited Palestinians, they must be expected to suppress reasonable discussion, through shouting, slanders, etc, rather than allow their violent racism to be calmly and reasonably identified for what it is. Israel's racists would have us define a reasonable dialogue as one which helps them pretend violent state-racism is not violent state-racism. Dave Kersting Lest anyone get the wrong idea, these discussions are not being attended by the majority of pro-Palestinian activists who see these discussions as distractions and deliberate attempts to sideline activism in favor of consciousness-raising and navel-gazing. These discussions have done little to change actual policy and even less to reduce the venom of the zionists on campus against the pro-Palestinian activists. I encourage people at other schools who are genuinely interested in Palestinian liberation to treat these dialogues with suspicion. Snehal S. UC Berkeley From: Rolf Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: eFreePalestine! Re: Berkeley Leading Change Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:24:04 +0200 One thing in the below I don't agree with: That rallies, flag- waving, finger-pointing and taking sides would be obsolete. It certainly is not, quite on the contrary. But this kind of discussions and dialogue reported here as being engaged in at Berkeley University, USA, certainly is a (new) good thing. It does not rule out that other, and in my opinion should be tried at universities (etc) here in Sweden (etc) too. So this goes to some other lists as well. Rolf M., Malmö, Sweden At 04:21 2002-06-24 +, you (amazonmama2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote, to the Free Palestine list: At the University of California, Berkeley -- and increasingly on other college and high school campuses -- students are discovering healing Dialogue to replace obsolete rallies, flag-waving, finger- pointing, and taking sides that increase alienation and fan the flames of war. Jewish and Arab students are not waiting for governments, politicians, and institutions to change the world. Remarkable young women and men are taking it on themselves to begin breaking down walls to build long-awaited, authentic human relationships. The newly-gathered students at Cal call themselves Salaam-Shalom. They learn from one another, each expanding each one's own knowledge, discovering together new compassion and creativity. For more information about Salaam-Shalom at U.C. Berkeley, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] encourage other campuses to follow this path. Published in The Daily Californian -Tuesday, June 18, 2002 http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=8806 Group Finds Discourse on Middle East Conflict: Students Emphasize 'Friends' to Build Relations By EMMA SCHWARTZ Contributing Writer Amid shouts of hatred fueled by the Middle East conflict, one UC Berkeley student group seeking to represent a variety of perspectives calls for a dialogue of understanding. Friends is a common buzzword for members of Salaam Shalom, a group that aims to build peaceful relations between Israelis, Palestinians, Arabs, and Jews on campus. People say dialogue is easy, but it's not easy to tear your soul inside out, says group member Judy Gussman. The group's first meeting, held at the end of the spring semester, was at times heated as the group tried to make sense of violence through open dialogue. It was a little tense, says Laura Haddad, a Salaam Shalom member. But as someone at the meeting put it, if it weren't a little tense we wouldn't have been getting anything done. However, if we hadn't been friends first, we wouldn't have been able to hold that discussion. The group has yet to stage an open forum on serious issues surrounding the conflict. For now, the students focus on forging friendships between members. We haven't had a big discussion because we believe we have to know each other first, Haddad says
To ignorant(?) Jew-baiter #1 on Free Palestine list [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- [This goes to some mailing lists and also to the Usenet newsgroups 'alt.society.revolution', 'alt.politics.socialism. mao', 'swnet.politik', 'eunet.politics', 'alt.politics. socialism', 'alt.politics.radical-left', 'alt.activism', 'alt.politics.communism', 'de.soc.politik.misc' and 'alt. politics.india.communist'. I hope it may interest Left- wingers in general, and some others too.] Hello again, HnsomDevil [EMAIL PROTECTED], X-Yahoo- Profile: ziohazard, You wrote, to the Free Paelstine mailing list, on Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:19:51 EDT, subject Re: PIC reports fake pro-Zionist e-mails: Rolf, I wish you would show some of the compassion and understanding you have for jews toward Americans and people like Michael. You keep blabbing your mouth, but everyone understands that there are a small number of good Jews who sincerely follow their religion without the need to oppress the Palestinians. We all know that. However, the other 98% of Jews are the strongest backers of Israel. Have you ever happened to notice the strange coincidence that the national flag of Israel contains the same star of david that is the symbol of Judaism? Isn't that peculiar? If there were no Jews, there would be no Israel. I'm disappointed in you - that you are not a gentleman enough to apologize to Michael. But I can tell you that you are wasted people's time with these pointless dis- cussions. Why not direct your verbal attention to some places where it will do some good - send a barrage of emails to the US media and government offices. Work for the cause - instead of sowing dissent within the ranks. There are two possible explanations for your behaviour, I think. Either you're a Zionist agent, masquerading as an adherent of the cause of Free Palestine and at the same time trying to paint that cause out as being one of Nazi-Schmazi anti- Semitism, in order to discredit it completely - one very standard trick of those people's, all of whose skulls of course, like those of their main masters and alive-keepers since a long time back, the US imperialist leading swine, will eventually get bashed in, spilling their brains with a nice big SPLAT all over the sidewalk, to the jubilation of practically everybody in all countries in the world. Or else in fact you're just as ignorant as you make out to be, meaning no harm but just being a victim of the ubiqui- tous propaganda - no doubt particularly massive in the USA, from which country you're posting - of the abovementioned and their slimy mass media. In favour of the first possibility might speak the snottiness of your stupid blabbing (above). Also, it was quite interes- ting to see the parallel Jew-baiting replies to me by as many as three other writers on the Free Palestine list the same day, last Friday 21 June, not quite as demonstratively nasty as yours, though. There were such replies also by: [EMAIL PROTECTED], who signs himself sometimes as Michael Von Shearer (yes, actually, with a capital V like that) and somentimes as just m - the Michael whom you mentioned above, amnehtt [EMAIL PROTECTED] and bob luce [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I shall reply to those writers too, Free Palestine Jew- baiters #2 to #4 (Michael, amnehtt and Bob Luce the toneman- , I mean), separately, though not bothering in those cases to send my reply also to other lists or to newsgroups. And those writers I shall refer, for some information on main elementary facts concerning Zionism and anti-Semitism, to this present reply of mine to you (with a few quotes below). Now I in fact don't even know with any certainty whether you four writers are really different and separate persons; the peculiarities of the Internet makes it possible for one and the same person to appear under several different names and mail addresses too, of course; certain propagandists I know about in other contexts since long are using that trick, and I know none of you four writers in any closer way. I shall presume anyway that you all *are* different and real people. Living here in Sweden and not being familiar with the actual conditions in the USA (from where those others were posting too, I suppose), I absolutely cannot discount the possibility that as many as four of you (relatively) eddicated Amurricans (that's what you are, isn't it?) may be so utterly ignorant of the most elementary of these fact that all of you, or per- haps some of you, actually believe that which you're writing. An assessment of this, a really well-informed judgement on what it is that makes you people write like that, this I must leave to others who likewise live in the USA or in some other way know better than I what levels of ignorance on these sub- jects, on the part of various groups of people there, are conceivable. I don't mean to say that I think awareness of some basic facts of life, of politics etc, is necessarily higher, in ge- neral, among Swedes than among people in
Re: BBC: Bush calls for end to Arafat's rule (compare also Congo!) [WWW.STOPNA
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 05:43 2002-06-25 +, you (Alphonse De Boncoeur Kasongo [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Compatriotes, Pour comprendre la position americaine vis a vis de la situation du Congo, je vous pris de relire le message ci-apres. Tenez je vous demande de remplacer expressement Palestine par CONGO Israel par rwanda. Faites d'autres remplacements de votre choix et relisez votre nouveau message. Al Oui, bien sûr! Vous avez tout à fait raison. Other people, in many other countries, should read this too: You're suggesting that in Bushy's speech, Palestine might also be replaced by the DR Congo, and Israel by Rwanda. Which is very true. And Arafat, not a very good leader either, has not been assassinated, for instance. The Congolese very good one, L-D Kabila, was, on 16.01.2001. And it's rather clear whom one must suspect, above all, of having ordered that. But this of course could not quell the massive resistance of the Congolese people, either, to that imperialism-instigated aggression against the DR Congo, which still continues. Inter- national support of that resistance, in my opinion, is just as necessary and vital as support of the Palestinian people's resistance. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden == Monday, 24 June, 2002, 20:05 GMT 21:05 UK Bush calls for end to Arafat's rule Bush asserted Israel's right to defend itself President George W Bush has urged the Palestinian people to replace Yasser Arafat, who has led them for more than 30 years, with a leader not compromised by terror. Unveiling a long-awaited policy statement on how to end the Middle East conflict, the president said peace required a new and different Palestinian leadership which could lead the Palestinians to their own statehood. If Palestinians embrace democracy, confront corruption, and firmly reject terror, they can count on America's support for creation of a provisional state of Palestine, he said. He asserted Israel's right to defend itself against the forces of terror, but said the Palestinians could not be allowed to continue living under Israeli occupation. = From: Bin Mudiandambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CONGOTRIBUNE] BBC : Bush calls for end to Arafat's rule Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:53:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.76]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:04:19 -0700 Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 20:53:45 - Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 20:53:42 - Received: (qmail 81861 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 20:53:42 - Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 20:53:42 - Received: from unknown (HELO gw.orl.ilstu.edu) (138.87.80.182) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 20:53:42 - Received: from DMORL-Message_Server by gw.orl.ilstu.eduwith Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:53:41 -0500 X-eGroups-Return: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2002 21:04:20.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[B564E950:01C21BC2] Monday, 24 June, 2002, 20:05 GMT 21:05 UK Bush calls for end to Arafat's rule Bush asserted Israel's right to defend itself President George W Bush has urged the Palestinian people to replace Yasser Arafat, who has led them for more than 30 years, with a leader not compromised by terror. Unveiling a long-awaited policy statement on how to end the Middle East conflict, the president said peace required a new and different Palestinian leadership which could lead the Palestinians to their own statehood. If Palestinians embrace democracy, confront corruption, and firmly reject terror, they can count on America's support for creation of a provisional state of Palestine, he said. He asserted Israel's right to defend itself against the forces of terror, but said the Palestinians could not be allowed to continue living under Israeli occupation. The announcement comes a week after back-to-back Palestinian suicide bombings against Israel - which delayed the speech - and against the backdrop of a massive Israeli operation to seize Palestinian-controlled land. He said the issues of Jerusalem and Palestinian refugees, as well as ending the Israeli occupation, must be settled by negotiations between the two sides. The president is now expected to announce a new mission by Secretary
Bushy cracks a joke on who must go, terror-tainted! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Reportedly, George W. Bush, still president of the USA, in a recent speech among other things said - concerning quite another country and quite another people than his own - that Yassir Arafat, leader of the Palestinian people, must go, and even be replaced by someone untainted by terror. That Bushy certainly has got a weird sense of humour! One would think that somebody who really did need to go, a person hardly tainted, but *painted all over* precisely by terror, by the infamous action, to start with, of direc- ting some passenger aircraft to be flown smack into the World Trade Center Towers and into his own military command centre the Pentagon, for good measure, killing over 3,000 of his own people, that was none other than George W. Bush himself. The big media of course have always presented a quite diffe- rent story about who was responsible for *that*. But now things have gone so far that the sparrows, so to speak, al- ready are crying it out from the rooftops: Those responsible precisely were the ruling persons in the USA. And that's not the only terrorist action by which those persons have tainted themselves lately, as all know. The list of quite overt such crimes of theirs, against people in other countries above all, is quite long. Now of course, to take Bush out (to use the term he himself is fond of, concerning leaders of some other countries), that's the business and the direct responsibility of the people in that country where he's based, the USA. But we others at least should offer that people some solida- rity and some help in that direction. A certain leader of another country, a long-time dictator in fact, had this quite sensible thing to say about such a ques- tion, long before he himself did become a reactionary dicta- tor and in fact as still a representative of the people in that country, when it was still socialist - China, in 1974; here's what the later traitor Deng Xiapoing said in a UN speech then: If one day China should change her colour and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it. Now of course the USA is not a social-imperialist superpower but another of basically the same type, a traditionally im- perialist one. And in the field of playing tyrant in the world, and everywhere subjecting others to its bullying, ag- gression and exploitation, it's no exaggeration to say, that power today already has merited a place in the Guinness Book of Records - not that this will help it in the long run. Expose it (if still necessary), oppose it and work together with the people in the USA, this the people of all other countries undoubtely should do. It's Bushy and his gang of terrorists and mass murderers that must go! It's they, above all, who indeed need to be put be- fore an international war crimes tribunal. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- [This goes to some mailing lists and also to the Usenet newsgroups 'alt.society.revolution', 'alt.politics.socialism. mao', 'swnet.politik', 'eunet.politics', 'alt.politics. socialism', 'alt.politics.radical-left', 'alt.activism', 'alt.politics.communism', 'de.soc.politik.misc' and 'alt. politics.india.communist'.] This posting is a discussion reply and also contains an assessment on my part of the present situation of the US imperialists, in support of which which I'm citing some small things which have recently taken place on and concerning some Internet mailing lists. At 21:56 2002-06-23 -0400, you [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, to the ANTINATO mailing list: In a message dated 6/23/2002 10:10:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: precisely the ones who would be the *least* liable to be decieved by the stupid offi- cial propaganda concerning these mass murder terror attacks in the USA - among those who are saying NO conspiracy by the US imperialists? I don't think anyone on this list was deceived by it. It was sent to show the lengths that some people will go to discredit others. Cynthia Yes, that's quite reasonable, I think, Cynthia. And as you say, probably nobody on the ANTINATO list *was* deceived by that article either: September 11th: Conspiracy-itis, by one Marty Jezer, clearly a hack writer of the US imperialists'. Forwarding the thing to ANTINATO, as was done by Miroslav Antic, was quite OK, in my opinion - having that aim, as you say, to show the desperation of the US imperialists at this time. They really do appear to be shitty-scared! Not only are their leaders obviously infighting like hell, with Bushy him- self not been able to make up his mind (if any) about when and how to speak out (or speak up, at least) on the Middle East and stuff. Some clear shitty-scaredness has appeared also in the behaviour on the Internet of certain tools and stooges of theirs. The point of my posting of course was that interesting fact that a propagandist of that phony International the RIM and of its equally phony leading party, the RCP-USA, forwarded that ridiculous No, no, NO Bush conspiracy on 11.09.2001! thing, uncommented-on and thus in practice with a recommendation, under those *different* circumstances, to a lot of other lists. Those are the people, as I wrote in the quote above, who one would think were the *least* liable to be fooled on this by the (official) US imperialists, since they are adherents of the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong - or so they *say*. Pobly (poblachtach dearg [EMAIL PROTECTED]), who was the RIM/RCP-USA propagandist who did that puzzling - in my opinion telltale - forwarding, earlier has expressed his/her/its (unknown to me whether a male, a female or perhaps a group) dislike of one article I published back in 1994, and sent via the Net in early 1996, Why Does the RIM Help U.S. Imperialism Encircle the PCP?, and some other Net stuff by me in the same vein; Pobly at the same time writing that they (unclear who) well knew that I was not really Rolf but someone else - a theory so easy to refute (by lots of people who've known me for decades, for instance) that I didn't bother to reply more on this point than just giving my own opinion on it. The nervousness at present of the US imperialists and some different tools and stooges of theirs show up too in some things having to do with Internet mailing lists: Subscribers to the Free Palestine list (above all) have been hacked most massively, with hundreds of messages with pro-Zionist content sent by somebody-or-other in their names. The pointing out, on my part, of some funny things about the RIM and the RCP-USA, seems to have been uncomfy to some list managers, just recently. There's a particular group of lists called Maoism, Maoist respectively, MaoZeDong (sic), apparently managed by forces close to those entities. Discussions have earlier taken place above all on one of those, Maoism. But since some days back now, postings precisely by me (in contrast to such by others) I don't get as coming back from that list anymore. No message has informed me as to perhaps a reason for this. To a newly created list in that same group, one called Maoist_Guns, and stating expressly that you must *not* say on it that some people are CIA, I've not been allowed to post at all - this I was actually told. As rather many know, I'm advocating the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, and have been doing so publicly via the Net since late 1995, with a posting series UNITE! (etc) Infos, among other things. The utter dislike of such stuff by some people managing lists with precisely such names as the above, their panic now in the face of it in fact, is one further small indication, I think, of this: At present, the US imperialists and their closest friends really are finding themselves in pretty deep shit. More and more are people everywhere awakening
Re: Berkeley Leading Change [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- One thing in the below I don't agree with: That rallies, flag- waving, finger-pointing and taking sides would be obsolete. It certainly is not, quite on the contrary. But this kind of discussions and dialogue reported here as being engaged in at Berkeley University, USA, certainly is a (new) good thing. It does not rule out that other, and in my opinion should be tried at universities (etc) here in Sweden (etc) too. So this goes to some other lists as well. Rolf M., Malmö, Sweden At 04:21 2002-06-24 +, you (amazonmama2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote, to the Free Palestine list: At the University of California, Berkeley -- and increasingly on other college and high school campuses -- students are discovering healing Dialogue to replace obsolete rallies, flag-waving, finger- pointing, and taking sides that increase alienation and fan the flames of war. Jewish and Arab students are not waiting for governments, politicians, and institutions to change the world. Remarkable young women and men are taking it on themselves to begin breaking down walls to build long-awaited, authentic human relationships. The newly-gathered students at Cal call themselves Salaam-Shalom. They learn from one another, each expanding each one's own knowledge, discovering together new compassion and creativity. For more information about Salaam-Shalom at U.C. Berkeley, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] encourage other campuses to follow this path. Published in The Daily Californian -Tuesday, June 18, 2002 http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=8806 Group Finds Discourse on Middle East Conflict: Students Emphasize 'Friends' to Build Relations By EMMA SCHWARTZ Contributing Writer Amid shouts of hatred fueled by the Middle East conflict, one UC Berkeley student group seeking to represent a variety of perspectives calls for a dialogue of understanding. Friends is a common buzzword for members of Salaam Shalom, a group that aims to build peaceful relations between Israelis, Palestinians, Arabs, and Jews on campus. People say dialogue is easy, but it's not easy to tear your soul inside out, says group member Judy Gussman. The group's first meeting, held at the end of the spring semester, was at times heated as the group tried to make sense of violence through open dialogue. It was a little tense, says Laura Haddad, a Salaam Shalom member. But as someone at the meeting put it, if it weren't a little tense we wouldn't have been getting anything done. However, if we hadn't been friends first, we wouldn't have been able to hold that discussion. The group has yet to stage an open forum on serious issues surrounding the conflict. For now, the students focus on forging friendships between members. We haven't had a big discussion because we believe we have to know each other first, Haddad says. The first dialogue, which was just for the group organizers, asked members what brought them to the group in an attempt to make the discussion personal rather than political. It has involved a great deal of soul-searching of things you were raised with, Gussman says. They all have the ability to step back from that and look at their world in a new way. The group began as an attempt to add a peaceful perspective to the campus debate on the Middle East conflict. I was distressed by two things, says UC Berkeley graduate student Roger Studley. First, there is a lack of any communication between people from different camps and groups. Secondly, everything on campus is one group shouting at another and shouting back. It's very political, noisy, and nobody is sitting down and talking to one another. Many members of the group joined out of frustration with the apparent lack of dialogue between already existing groups who have a stake in the conflict. I got involved because I noticed the intense polarization on this issue, says Robin Baral, a UC Berkeley student. I've been here long enough and involved in enough activism to know what happens. I felt like the politics had gotten in the way with people getting to know each other. Haddad says the group offers an alternative route for those who don't feel a place in either of the two major political groups, the Students for Justice in Palestine and the Israel Action Committee. Students say that while they have no illusions that they are going to solve the conflict, they believe a resolution cannot be reached without discussion. We take seriously that it is important to understand someone else's view as much as your own, Studley says. We believe that the first thing you have to do is get to know an individual. Once you have that, you are much less likely to shout and will be able to understand someone's opinion with further complexity rather than as a political stripe. Students from Muslim and Jewish student groups said that Salaam Shalom has great potential to clear up misunderstandings. I think this
Re: Basque War News: Car bombs rock southern Spain [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Right you are, Javier. Those supposedly Basque nationalist bombings in Spain recently really are cowardly acts. They precisely are not part of any (just) 'class war' but are (in one way or another) all about money, as you say. And your parallel to that Albanian terrorist group UÇK managed by the US imperialists also is pertinent. In fact one must suspect that behind those Basque bombings too, in the final instance, are those same US imperialists, wanting to put some pressure on that uncertain ally of theirs, Spain. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden At 21:10 2002-06-21 +0100, you (Francisco Javier Bernal [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Re: Basque War News Hi there, Would you be so kind to explain the use of this definition for such a coward act? Not surprising coming from known admirers of the UÇK. Bunch of cowards is what they are. Very clever and what a expression of solidarity and freedom fighting is trying to ruin Andalusian tourism economy, the poorest nation in the EU! Don't you reckon, mate? What a nice moment it is! Just when Aznar is phasing out the income support benefit for almost two millions of 'jornaleros', peasants without land. Why don't they stick their bombs up any Basque banker's arse? I guess the Argentinians would be really pleased, taking into account how did they ruin their country. Make no mistake: Basques are not Kurds or Palestinian. More likely think of Slovenians or Croats trying to break free of a 'backward' poorer South. This is not 'class war', mate. Learn some history. It's all about money. Salud, Francisco Javier Bernal On 21 Jun 2002 at 15:33, poblachtach dearg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Friday, 21 June, 2002, 12:10 GMT 13:10 UK Car bombs rock southern Spain Police got phone warnings before the explosions Two car bombs have exploded in the southern Spanish resorts of Marbella and Fuengirola, injuring at least six people including three Britons. A British man is critically ill in hospital after the car bomb in Fuengirola, which also slightly injured two British children, a Moroccan and a Spanish couple. Shortly after that blast a second car bomb exploded on a central boulevard in Marbella, just 27 kilometres (17 miles) down the coast from Fuengirola. No-one is thought to have been hurt. The bombs - blamed on the Basque separatist group ETA - coincided with the start of a two-day summit of European Union leaders in Seville, about 160 kilometres (100 miles) north-west of Fuengirola. According to Spanish national radio, a 35-year old Briton hit by shrapnel in the Fuengirola blast is undergoing urgent surgery in hospital. Tip-off The man suffered serious injuries to his lungs, diaphragm and pelvis. The blast happened near Las Piramides Hotel, which is popular with British and German tourists. Police said the Basque separatist group ETA phoned a warning through just minutes before the Fuengirola blast, but gave the wrong address. The police still managed to locate the car, and cordon off the area. This must have been an itinerant (ETA) command cell that probably came here, left the bomb, and went again, said an Interior Ministry official, Jose Torres Hurtado. It's not the first time this has happened in Andalusia, he said. An anonymous phone warning also came from ETA before the Marbella attack. Previous attacks Holidaymakers, who were still in their beds, said they were first aware of a huge explosion, followed by billowing smoke and flying glass. ETA carried out many similar attacks on tourist sites last summer. Although ETA does not normally claim responsibility for its actions until weeks afterwards, it typically times attacks to coincide with major political events. Only last week, police found 131 kilograms (288 pounds) of explosives, along with detonators and wiring, further up the coast near Valencia. ETA campaign The group has killed more than 800 people in a 30-year independence campaign for the Basque region. There is huge security at the Seville summit, with about 10,000 police deployed in the city. On Thursday, ETA accused the EU of leaving the Basques behind, complaining that a Basque homeland has no place in the current Europe. ETA wants a state in the Basque areas of northern Spain and south-western France. --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: European Commision software patents (counteraction!) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 00:53 2002-06-22 +0200, you (Jonerik Sjölander [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sprid detta vidare till så många som möjligt. Sidan nedan förklarar vad detta innebär och varför man bör motsätta sig det. European Citizens: European Commission is pushing to make all ideas patentable, proposal written by BSA. This page explains everything and tells you how you can help prevent this disaster. http://swpat.ffii.org/vreji/papri/eubsa-swpat0202/ Vänligen, Jonerik Sjölander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thank you (again), Jonne! It is indeed important that this becomes known to everybody, so they can oppose it expressly. So I'm forwarding this posting of yours (too) to a number of other lists and also to some Usenet newsgroups. Rolf M. Malmö, Sweden --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- RIM-Pobly fwds 11.09 *NO* Bush conspiracy article [23.06.02] Recently, there appeared on the ANTI-NATO mailing list an article which went out of its way to argue that NO, the infamous terror attacks on 11 September 2001 were NOT, as more and more people are saying today, the work of the US imperialists themselves, aimed at hitting back against the people in the USA and in the whole world, whose resistance they so more and more desperately fear. The article, entitled September 11th: Conspiracy-itis was written by one Marty Jezer. It was forwarded to the ANTI- NATO list by Miroslav Antic, who often has forwarded, with- out comments of his own, various articles, some by revolu- tionary-minded people and some by hack writers of US impe- rialism and other reactionaries too. This particular article in itself was yawningly uninteres- ting. All who had followed events even in an approximate way and had seen a few of all those facts which very clearly point to the actual perpetrators of 11.09.2001 could easily tell: Here's another stupid attempt by those mass murderers the Bushmen and Bushwomen to prevent the truth from becoming apparent to precisely everybody on this planet. But one really interesting thing in this connection, in my opinion, is the fact that one writer, poblachtach dearg poblachtach_ [EMAIL PROTECTED], whose main activity has consisted of making propaganda for that International the RIM and for its politically leading party, the RCP-USA, forwarded that silly please-no-conspiracy-theories-on-this! article again, and likewise with no comments of his own - thus pre- senting it as containing something sensible! - to a whole number of other mailing lists! Since the RIM and the RCP-USA are saying that they stand for the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, and often in various contexts seem to be *attacking*, not least, the US imperialists, is it not very surprising that one of the propagandists - even the main propagandist today, as far as Internet mailing lists are concerned - precisely of those *very* rrrevolutionary entities wants to convince everybody that NO, the Bushmen and Bushwomen were NOT behind 11.09? Actually, the RCP-USA had already done this itself some- what earlier too, with a big interview in January 2002 with its illustrious chairman, Bob Avakian, likewise posted to a number of mailing lists, rather recently, by that same RIM/RCP-USA propagandists, Pobly. Precisely the main point of that interview was its attempt to convince all of the innocence of the US imperialists of 11.09.2001. Now why are *those* people - precisely the ones who would be on the alert most of all, as *Marxists*, as *revolutiona- ries* based not least *in that very country*, the USA, con- cerning precisely such events, precisely the ones who would be the *least* liable to be decieved by the stupid offi- cial propaganda concerning these mass murder terror attacks in the USA - among those who are saying NO conspiracy by the US imperialists? It's very puzzling, isn't it? I mean, when a party or other organization *says* it's revo- lutionary, when it says it represents the line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, when it says it strives to represent the com- mon interests of the vast majority of people on earth, then one should always take that party's or other organization's word for that, should one not? I mean, harbouring suspicions that it might actually be the puppet of some quite other forces, some considerably less nice ones, for instance, that's being very distrustful and counter-productive. The very introduction lines of one of those mailing lists to which Pobly forwarded that article, the Maoist_Guns mailing list, a recently created new one, quite rightly say, among other things: 'Provocateurs and the like NOT discussing / posting Maoist propaganda and struggles of the Oppressed will be banned, especially if refering to People`s Real names and labelling individuals as CIA etc.' And some provocaterurs' labelling some *very* Maoist *orga- nizations* as CIA etc, that of course is even worse. The intro lines of the Maoist_Guns also say, concerning what kind of postings would, and should, appear on that list: 'Postings from the Maoist press, wheather [sic] from the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement [i.e., the RIM], Revolutionary worker [the newspaper of the RCP-USA], A World To Win [magazine inspired by the RIM], Maoist Internationalist Movement [one other International, likewised based in the USA, the MIM] etc is greatly encouraged to inspire debate as part of the Unity, Struggle, Unity, Trans- formation process.' So here it becomes clear, once more, that all of those enti- ties of course *are* Marxist, Maoist ones. So who can doubt the revolutionary credentials of Pobly? At least, when posting to that Maoist_Guns list? I
Re: La Suède a palpé du doigt le terrain humanitaire de
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- [This is a continuation of a discussion on the imperialist, genocidal war against the DR Congo and the necessity for the people in all the rich countries to combat this war, which is engaged in and supported by the rulers of these countries.] At 17:49 2002-05-02 -0400, you (Seya Wa kubisanswa [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cher M. Martens, En tous cas, la Suede, depuis l'Independance du Congo en 1960, n'a jamais eu la gourmandise des richesses historique- ment connue du peuple congolais. On a vu les militaires suedois en 1960-1964 dans la mission de l'ONU au Congo. Les Suedois avaient construits des ponts detruits pas la guerre (dont les ecrits sur les plaques en cuivre sont visibles et lisibles aujourd'hui). De tout temps, la Suede est un des pays Calmes au commerce clair avec le Congo. Evidemment tout a balance avec la presente guerre. La n'est pas le probleme. Ma joie est qu'aujourd'hui qu'il ait une voix EN SUEDE qui dit et CRIE pour la TOUTE PREMIRE FOIS INJUSTICE au Congo... C'est tres important car les pleurs de nos bebes mourant car l'Occident a pris gratuite- ment notre cuivre... et nous manquons de medicaments, ont ete entendus. A celui qui toque, on ouvre. J'espere que ces cris d'injustice porteront leurs fruits: la justice. Les GRANDS DE CE MONDE NE DOIVENT PAS GROSSIR DES BIENS VOLES AUX PAUVRES. C'EST HUMAIN, RETROGRADE ET HONTEUX. UNE FEMME QUI ACCOUCHE SUR UNE FEUILLE D'UN BANANIER CAR LE CACAO A ETE PRIS PAR L'ANGLETERRE, EST UNE ACTION D'INCIVILISATION pour un pays CIVILISE:c'est la definition du SOUS-DEVELOPPEMENT, voler sans etre inquiete car on a des missiles de croisieres. La Suede n'est pas a ce point. Mais elle peut faire mieux, user de son influence pour que ce genre d'actes cesse. Merci pour tout Seya Cher Seya, Je vais réexpédier votre message, ci-dessous, à certains autres fora. De la Suède officielle, ou des autres pays riches offi- ciels, évidemment, vous les Congolais ne pouvez vous attend- re à beaucoup des bonnes choses. Mais il existe, dans tous ces pays, un nombre assez important des gens qui s'opposent à les guerres et les pillages im- pèrialistes. A cette opinion vous pouvez vous adresser. Au moment, malheureusement, elle est très mal informé sur la guerre contre le Congo. Les Belges, probablement, savent un peu de ce que se passe dans votre pays, les Suédois presque rien. Cette petite mais puissante minorité des gens qui nous oppriment (oui, nous ici aussi), et qui font leur mieux pour pillager les peuples d'Asie, d'Afrique et d'Amérique du Sud, contrôlent tous les grands média - l'Internet, cependant, ils ne peuvent pas censurer; nous pouvons tous utiliser ça au maximum. Des informations brèves, des articles, venants des Congolais, par example, sans doute interessaient-ils aux lecteurs de la liste mot_krig (contre la guerre) - une liste (petite en- core) où la langue normale est le suédois, mais j'ai vu aussi des articles là en espagnol, par example. Pour abonner cette liste, on écrit à [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Il y a aussi le Usenet, avec beaucoup des newsgroups nor- malement en anglais, avant tout, et certains qui sont liés à des pays comme la Suède; en le newsgroup normalement en suédois 'swnet.politik', par example, se deroulent souvent des discussions intéressantes. Une liste internationale, lisée, je crois, en un assez grand nombre de pays, on peut abonner via le website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK. Naturellement, pour rejoindre le majeur nombre possible des gens internationalement, il faut écrire en anglais. Mais, par example, certaines publications périodiques ici en Suède pourraient s'interesser d'articles en français aussi, pour les publier en traduction: Folket i Bild / Kulturfront et Clarté (tous les deux avec anti-impérialisme comme une partie de leurs programmes). Adresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Un peu de contact entre quelques Congolais, de l'un côté, et ces gens-là, de l'autre, ça serait une bonne chose. En comparison avec les évenements qui se deroulent, des choses comme ça, certes, ne sont pas grandes. Mais, d'une façon ou d'autre, il faut que les peuples partout s'unissent. Rolf M. --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #171en: 2/2 Rich countries and Israel [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvud- sakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #171en: 1/2 Rich countries and Israel [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #171en: 1/2 Rich countries and Israel [Posted: 01.05.02] Note / Anmerkung / Note / Nota / Anmärkning: On the UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: See information on the last page / Siehe Information auf der letzten Seite / Verrez information à la dernière page / Ver información en la última página / Se information på sista sidan INTRO NOTE: This Info in the main repeats the text in Info #169en: 'Isra- el, rich states' mad dog', of 12.04.2002. Added here are a couple of notes, in particular one (last) showing some websites from which you can get information on certain themes mentioned briefly in the text. This Info is a reproduction in English of a leaflet (4 pages A4) in Swedish which I'm publishing here in Malmö today. The call which, in the leaflet, appears on a red flag in the up- per right-hand corner of p. 1, means: Proletarians in all countries and oppressed peoples, unite!. I'm posting a Net version in Swedish too, as 'FÖRENA ER! Info #171se: Rika länder Israel'. End of intro note INFORMATIONSBLAD Proletärer i alla länder och förtryckta folk, förena er! Published by R. Martens No. 34 01.05.2002 About the character of the present so-called order in the world, what the rulers of countries like Sweden are engaging in towards the poorer countries and in particular about their common strongpoint in the Middle East, the state construction Israel, is the article in this leaflet. It was sent in Eng- lish via the Internet on 12.04.2002, with the title *UNITE! Info #169en: Israel, rich states' mad dog*. T H ER I C HC O U N T R I E S A N D T H E S T A T EI S R A E L 1. WHY ISRAEL WAS CREATED, AND WHY IT'S STILL SO IMPORTANT FOR ALL IMPERIALISTS TO SUPPORT IT TO THE VERY LAST The racist state of Israel, which now occupies Palestine, was created, in 1948, by a joint action of the governments of all the rich states in the world, in order to function as a military bastion of theirs, in the strategically important re- gion of the Middle East, for the continued oppression and con- tinued extreme exploitation of all the poorer countries. The very point of that state from the begining on was for it to constantly engage in aggression and terror, not only against the vast majority of the original inhabitants of Pa- lestine but against all other peoples in that region too. It was intended to function as a killer instrument of the impe- rialists', a particular scourge of theirs against the 200 million Arabic-speaking people who live in or close to the Middle East, a mad dog to perpetrate aggressive war after ag- gressive war. This is what this very particular kind of state has done too, earlier above all in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1982. And this is what it's once more doing today, in early/mid-2002. Against the atrocities perpetrated by it now, people are protesting everywhere. The imperialists with all their propaganda resources are con- tinuing to say what they have said in the last 50 years and more, that Israel was created in order to offer protec- tion for believers in the Jewish faith from that racist per- secution which they have been subjected to since centuries back and still are being subjected to in many countries, and in particular from such genocide against them as was perpetra- ted by the Nazis during World War II. This is another of the big lies of the imperialists. The ru- lers of the rich countries in reality never were against racist persecution, nor against genocide. On the contrary, both of these things are an integral part of the present so- cial order in the world, that of capitalism developed into imperialism. As was reported publicly again recently, more than 11 million children in the world die each year due to preventable causes - lack of food or medicines. This genocide is continuing be- cause the people in the rich states, which could be sources of aid instead of sources of exploitation and mass murder and which will become sources of aid once imperialism is over- thrown in the whole world, are not the masters of their own countries; the capitalists and their politicians are control- ling them, with US imperialism as their big international gendarme today. As for the WW II mass killing in Hitler Germany, of some 5.4 million civilian Germans, Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Czechs etc, mainly Jews but also people of many other groups, the Western governments then fighting the fascist powers knew about this going on from 1942 on but kept silent about it to the people up to 1945 when the truth had to come out. And they themselves resorted to barbarous methods in this basically just anti-fascist war, also targeting and killing millions of civilians with militarily
Re: Chernobyl's Legacy of Radioactive Poisoning Passed On [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- The below is a complete falsification, originating from the worst reactionaries in the world, with some very bad intentions. Not even an increase in thyroid cancers were caused by the (of course nasty, and not accidential either) Chernobyl disaster, let alone genetic mutations - not even after the Hirosima and Nagaski bombings in 1945 have any such whatsoever been discovered. It's vital that nobody should be fooled by misinformation of this kind. This is one part of a sneak green warfare by the reactionaries. So I'm sending two earlier items of my UNITE! Info series: #119en: More Chernobyl horror hoaxes (originally of 07.05.2000) (2 parts) and #163en: Chernobyl: No thyroid cancers (originally of 11.02.2002) Rolf M. At 17:45 2002-04-26 -0400, you wrote: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UKHTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK ---Published on Friday, April 26, 2002 by http://www.reuters.com/Reuters 16 Years Later Chernobyl's Legacy of Radioactive Poisoning Passed On by Elizabeth Piper KIEV - Ukrainian children born with genetic mutations or harmed by radioactive food form a new generation of Chernobyl victims who could pass the accident's tragic legacy on to the next, specialists warned yesterday. On the eve of Chernobyl's 16th anniversary, specialists who have worked in the region since a reactor exploded and spewed clouds of radioactivity over much of Europe said the fight against radiation-related illness was far from won. ''Today, 16 years after the accident, there remain some huge problems in several regions ... especially in terms of children's health and in terms of food,'' Olga Bobylova, deputy secretary of Ukraine's health service, told a news conference. An aerial view of Ukraine's Chernobyl nucler power plant, the site of the world's worst nuclear disaster, is seen in this May 1986 file photo made a few days after the April 26 deadly explosion. In front of the chimney is the destroyed 4th reactor. Ukraine commemorates victims of Chernobyl catastrophe Thursday, April 25, 2002, on the eve of the 16th anniversary of the tragedy when a nuclear explosion, many times bigger that Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, sent a radioactive cloud over parts of then-Soviet Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and parts of Western Europe. The plant was closed for good in 2000, but many environmental problems persist. (AP Photo/STR/FILE) ''[In areas surrounding Chernobyl] meat and milk in the private sector have high levels of radioactivity. ... There are also problems with the mushrooms and berries in the forests. ... Such food can have a profound effect on health.'' Thousands of impoverished Ukrainians live in areas affected by radioactive contamination from the plant, which exploded on April 26, 1986 in the world's worst civil nuclear disaster. To boost their meager daily meals they gather berries and mushrooms from fields and forests still contaminated by radioactive debris. Many are unaware or reluctant to think that the food remains a health risk so long after the accident. ''The state tries to give children good, clean food, but it cannot because of a lack of funds,'' Bobylova said. ''We need this in the future.'' The specialists urged Ukraine and the rest of the world not to allow Chernobyl to become a forgotten crisis - a term used first by the United Nations which hinted that funds could run out as interest in the disaster waned. Evgeniya Stepanova, a specialist in radiation-linked illnesses, said children were becoming sufferers years after the explosion, which killed few people at the time. The true casualty toll in the years since is a matter of intense controversy. Chernobyl has been blamed for thousands of deaths in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia and for a huge increase in thyroid cancer. ''[Research] has shown genetic mutations in sufferers of Chernobyl, both adults and children. ... Those children and adults are more likely to get cancer and pass on mutations to their children.'' Radiation is known to cause genetic mutation, and the rate of certain cancers goes up in areas exposed to nuclear fallout, scientists say. Stepanova said it was time to turn the world's attention to those who had no choice but to suffer the consequences and those who could unwittingly become the next victims of Chernobyl. ''We have not paid enough attention to those people who are suffering,'' she said, almost shouting. ''Among all the problems caused by Chernobyl, the genetic [mutation] problem should come first. ... It is a huge problem.'' Copyright 2002 Reuters Ltd --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A --
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Sent 29.04.2002 to the ANTINATO mailing list because of a recent posting Chernobyl's Legacy of Radioactive Poisoning Passed On. UNITE! Info #119en: 1/2 More Chernobyl horror hoaxes [Posted: 07.05.00] Note / Anmerkung / Note / Nota / Anmärkning: On the UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: See information on the last page / Siehe Information auf der letzten Seite / Verrez information à la dernière page / Ver información en la última página / Se information på sista sidan. INTRO NOTE: On the Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster in the then Soviet Union in 1986, which cost some 42 people their lives and caused considerable material damage and which was obviously the result of an absolutely non-normal handling of that nuclear power plant, a large number of totally falsified reports have been disseminated and still are being disseminated all over the world, wildly exaggerating the scope of that disaster and in fact causing much more material damage that it itself has caused, all this out of arch-reactionary political motives. A case in point is a recent Reuters telegram, on 21.04, in which some outrageously incorrect statements on this matter by UN General Secretary Kofi Annan were quoted. It was posted to the Activist mailing list http://get.to/activist yesterday by one subscriber, and I wrote a brief reply pointing out its fraudulent character. In reply to that again, another subscriber, an obviously well- intentioned but very ignorant person who has been fooled into embracing the reactionary propaganda against the peaceful use of nuclear energy, wrote that I didn't know what was happening in my own country in this respect - I do indeed however, and in fact have been following this scandalous matter rather closely, over the years - and contributed yet another horror story on the supposed effects of Chernobyl here in Sweden. For the complete texts of these earlier postings, see Appendix 1 in part 2/2 of this Info. Here's a reply to that other sub- scriber, which I'm posting to newsgroups too, with some infor- mation on the technical and political aspects of this matter. At this time, I can only go into some very few parts of the entire and really very big Chernobyl propaganda syndrome. I'm including in this Info one article too which I've repro- duced earlier, concerning the scientific-technical aspects: Chernobyl Health Effects by Rod Adams, USA, published in the April 1996 issue of the magazine Atomic Energy Insights. See Appendix 2, in part 2/2. Much more information on the actual health effects can be found on various websites. End of intro note I. WHAT *HAS* TAKEN PLACE HERE IN SWEDEN AS A RESULT OF CHERNOBYL? Hello Marco Saba, Your reply to me yesterday concerning the Chernobyl disaster in 1986 and in particular its so-called effects in Sweden shows that you still need to learn much about such things as radia- tion, in the first place - we've discussed similar matters be- fore - and not least, that you still are being decieved by the massive bourgeois anti-nuclear energy and other anti-modern propaganda syndromes in the world. You have no idea of the ac- tual motives behind this propaganda, do you? Well, unfortunate- ly, you're not alone in this. In that ignorant horror story (by Sara Bell) which you brought, it was stated that here in Sweden, as a result of that event in the distant Ukraine, the Saami's [a people living in the north of Sweden, Norway, Finland and Russia] reindeer, whose meat they both eat and trade, became highly radioactive.[!!] No, that's *not* true at all. Actual facts are, firstly, that *measurable* amounts of radioactivity, stemming above all from extremely small amounts of the radioactive isotope caesium-137 released from Chernobyl, were detected here in Sweden, and se- condly, that the government here, for *no* real such reason at all which would actually have to do with protection against ra- diation but purely *for reactionary propaganda reasons*, ban- ned the use of certain foodstuffs including reindeer meat, if their content of Cs-137 was above a certain - ridiculously low - level of radiation. Even back in 1986, I read the reports of some scientists who pointed out that there was *no* danger whatsoever to people's health anywhere here in Sweden resulting from that miniscule fallout here from Chernobyl. I happened to know enough about radiation in general too to be able to follow their argumenta- tion, which went straight against that which practically all the politicians and the media were saying on this matter. And on 29.11.1994, I publicly asked one also internationally well-known radiation expert in this country, Professor Gunnar Walinder, if it wasn't a fact that *all* so-called preventive measures decided on here in Sweden on account of Chernobyl (which had caused quite large amounts of foodstuffs to
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #119en: 2/2 More Chernobyl horror hoaxes [Posted: 07.05.00] [Continued from part 1/2] APPENDICES To my reply to Marco Saba, in part 1/2, I'm appending here, first, as Appendix 1, those outrageously incorrect reports concerning effects today of the Chernobyl disaster in 1986 which appeared yesterday on the Activist mailing list, and a brief reply of mine to the first of them. After this, a 1996 article by Rod Adams is reproduced, as Appendix 2: Chernobyl health effects. APPENDIX 1. A) Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact Activist_List-help @listbot.com Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:23:36 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Beth von Gunten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Activist_List] Chernobyl Kills and Cripples 14 Years Later Chernobyl Kills and Cripples 14 Years Later UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in a new UN report on the con- tinuing effects of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986 which spread a radioactive cloud over Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and western Europe, states that: Chernobyl is a word we would all like to erase from our memo- ry... More than 7 million of our fellow human beings do not have the luxury of forgetting. They are still suffering, everyday, as a result of what happened... Not until 2016, at the earliest, will be known the full number of those likely to develop serious medical conditions. The report cites 3 million children require treatment and many will die prematurely. The Ukraine Minister of Health Olha Bobyleva said that consump- tion of radioactive food produced in the northern and central Ukraine regions of Kiev, Chernihiv, Zhytomyr, Cherkassy and Riv- ne pose continuous public health dangers. (Reuters 4/21/00) B) Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact Activist_List-help @listbot.com Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:33:20 +0200 (MET DST) To: Activist Mailing List Activist_List@listbot. com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rolf Martens) Subject:Re: [Activist_List] Chernobyl Kills and Cripples 14 Years Later Beth von Gunten, That which you quoted below, from some people who should know better, is simply not true and is part of, respectively, a re- sult of, a certain very nasty bourgeois propaganda campaign. The Chernobyl disaster in 1986 was serious enough. It cost the lives of some 41 people and caused considerable damage. (And it most certainly was no accident but a willed event, on the part of certain people, just as was that near Harrisburg in the US in 1979, as a number of facts show.) But certain reports by media and politicians, such as this one, in the 14 years since then, have wrongly blown the effects of this disaster [up] out of all proportion, and *this* has caused quite enormous damage; in some ways, it has been even worse than this disaster in itself. *No* radioactive cloud (if by this is meant an actually harm- ful one) was spread over Russia, Belarus or western Europe, for instance - nor over most parts of the Ukraine itself either. This quite contrary to a certain propaganda syndrome in which many governments have taken part. As demonstrated (again) in a recent doctor degree thesis, people in the city of Lund in southern Sweden - just to take one detail concerning the matter - received tens of times as much radioac- tive cesium from the atmospheric A-bomb tests in the 60s as they did from Chernobyl fallout, and those levels of this stuff (which they got in the 60s) by no means were harmful either. You and others could look up some sites on the actual health ef- fects from Chernobyl where some actual experts are informing on this, in contrast to what certain politicians are saying for purely political reasons, which is quite outrageously wrong. Rolf M. You wrote: Chernobyl Kills and Cripples 14 Years Later ... [Rest of the quote snipped here; see A above] C) Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact Activist_List-help @listbot.com Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:52:07 +0100 From: Marco Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Activist Mailing List Activist_List@listbot. com Subject:[Activist_List] Chernobyl, another Martens misinformation Mr Rolf Martens from Sweden is carrying out a campaign to tell that nuclear is safe. But he even don't know what is happening in his own land. Here an article to open your eyes (from: http://stop-u238.i.am) and a question: Who's behind Rolf Martens? THE NUCLEAR POWER DECEPTION Radioactive Reindeer: the Chernobyl Legacy Fallout from the Chernobyl disaster has all but exterminated the last of Norway's original Laplanders. When reactor 4 of Chernobyl's nuclear power station exploded on the 26th of April 1986, the whole world panicked. Throughout the northern hemisphere, whole herds of livestock
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the evidence that shows that there are no adverse effects from high levels of natural radiation in many regions, and the evidence that low doses of radiation received by nuclear workers and medical patients (including cancer pa- tients) provide significant overall beneficial health effects. The ethics of the International Commission on Radiation Pro- tection is being questioned and debated in the scientific com- munity (37, 38), but there is enormous resistance to any change that would disturb the billions of dollars of research money and clean-up funding flowing as a result of the linear no-threshold myth. (40) [Author's note (37), p. 57: Z. Jaworowski, 1999. Radiation risk and ethics, *Phys. Today*, (Sept), pp. 24-29.] [Author's note (38), p. 57: Radiation risk and ethics: Health hazards, prevention costs and radiophobia, Letters in *Physics Today*, April 2000, p. 11 and May 2000, p. 11.] [Author's note (40), p. 57: J. Muckerheide, 2000. It's Time to Tell the Truth About the Health Benefits of Low-Dose Radiation, *21st Century* (Winter), pp. 44-55. http:/www. 21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/nuclear.html] Most damaging is the public fear that this myth perpetuates, making it difficult for many scientists to present the real evidence of the beneficial effects of low-level radiation that have been observed on humans and other living things. It is, therefore, not surprising that the very important UNSCEAR 2000 Report received very little publicity. So, the myths about cancer and abnormal babies will continue, as scientists carry out more and more politically correct and politically funded research on the response of cells and mice to radiation. The linear no-threshold myth blocks efforts to supply re- liable, environmentally friendly nuclear energy, to power the world economies. It also blocks the widespread use of low-dose radiation therapy to cure or control cancer and other dis- eases. In the name of protection, it is actually causing harm. How long will it be before concerns about energy supplies and cancer death rates will cause people to pay attention to the actual scientific results, and take action to reap the great social benefits? ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS I am grateful to Dr. Myron Pollycove, of the U.S. Nuclear Re- gulatory Commission and the University of California, San Fransisco, for his comprehensive review of this paper. Also, Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, of the Central Laboratory for Radio- logical Protection in Warsaw, and Representative of Poland to UNSCEAR, provided valuable clarifications on the UNSCEAR 2000 Report and important information on thyroid cancer studies applicable to the Chernobyl accident. [END OF QUOTE from Jerry M. Cuttler, D.Sc, 2001] UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaf- lets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Ze- dong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir hauptsächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf Anfrage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Volantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi prin- cipalement en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur de- mande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Cada número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su dis- posición, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvud- sakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- NEWS ON CONGO 043: 1/2 A partial peace agreement [Posted: 20.04.02] NOTE: On websites with information on the DR Congo and for some contact addresses, see endnote last in NOC 044, the continuation of this item. INTRO NOTE: Items 043 and 044 contain: In 043: A: On the imperialist war against the DR Congo (General information, repeated from NOC 040-041) B: Press statement by the government of the DR Congo, 17 April 2002 (in translation by me from the text in French as reproduced to the CONGOTRIBUNE mailing list, address see endnote) C: Press communiqué by the Mai-Mai movement, 18 April 2002 (translation) In 044: D: An AFP news report from Kigali, Rwanda, 17.04 (trans- lation): Combats in Kasaï Oriental province, central DRC (rebellion) E: A message to the CONGOTRIBUNE mailing list, 20.04 (translation): Serious violence at Bukavu F: Other information in brief, and a preliminary assess- ment (RM) A. ON THE IMPERIALIST WAR AGAINST THE DR CONGO In the DR Congo, then called Zaire, an uprising against the Mobutu dictatorship which had oppressed and fleeced the people in favour of imperialism since 35 years back started in late 1996 and was victorious on 17.05.1997, when the pre- sent state, the Democratic Republic of Congo, was founded. The liberation struggle was led by Laurent-Désiré Kabila, who also became the first president of the DRC. The DR Congo from the start set itself the goal of freeing the country from imperialist exploitation and building up an actually democratic form of government in it, thereby also setting up an example for all of Africa and for simi- larly exploited countries elsewhere. Because of this, the US and other imperialists instigated a war of aggression against that country on 02.08.1998 by three neighbouring states, a war which so far, directly or indi- rectly, has cost the lives of over 3,000,000 people and which still continues. One-half of the DR Congo today is under fo- reign occupation. The people in the whole country continues to suffer enormously. It very much needs the support of the people in all other countries. After the foul murder of L-D Kabila on 16.01.2001, his son, Joseph Kabila, was installed as president; a government led by J. Kabila has continued the struggle against the aggres- sion since then. Since some weeks back now, a conference is being held in Sun City, South Africa, in which attempts by the imperia- lists to gain control over the whole of the DR Congo by so- called peaceful means are confronted by the strivings of the Congolese people and the country's lawful government to retain the independence of the DRC. The UN Security Council on 19.03 by its Resolution 1399 (2002) condemned the recent military seizure by the aggres- sors, in flagrant violation of the present armistice, of the city of Moliro in the south-east of the DR Congo, and demanded the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of the forces of the so-called RCD-Goma, one of the aggressors' puppets, from that city. B: PRESS STATEMENT BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DR CONGO, 17 APRIL 2002 *Press statement by the government concerning the South African proposal regarding the institutions of transition* Ladies and gentlemen, Since 25 February 2002, day by day, the Congolese of the Go- vernment of the Democratic Republic of Congo, of the RCD/Goma, the MLC, the RCD/ML, the Civil Society [les Forces vives - Tr.], the RCD/National and the Mai-Mai patriots have debated in vain in order to work out by consensus the institutions and the constitutional text which are to govern the Congo during the period of transition. [Note: The RCD has been acting as a Congolese mili- tary puppet of the Rwandan invaders. It's divided into several factions, as seen here. The MLC has been acting as a Congolese military puppet of the Ugandan invaders. These groups are the ones which are always being called rebel groups by the mass media of the imperialists. The Mai-Mai movement in the eastern DR Congo has been fighting the aggression by Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi since its beginning, in August -1998. - Tr.] Last Friday, 12 April 2002, the mediator of the negotiations made public the proposal submitted to the delegates by the President of the Republic of South Africa regarding a solution of the crisis in the Democratic Republic of Congo. [Note: The text as reproduced to the CONGOTRIBUNE mailing list reads Last Friday, 11 April 2000 I'm assuming that it's the date that is erroneous here. The proposal mentioned, the second by Mbeki, was submitted on Thursday, 11.04. See NOC 041 - Tr.] The government of the Republic appreciates the just intentions of this initiative by Thabo Mbeki, which has the advantage of
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will mean *much larger difficulties* too in liberating the whole country, compared to what would or will be the case with a system of government which - as much experience in other parts of the world has shown again and again - really lets the forces of the people unfold. As that parliamentary Republic whis is now being outlined too, the DR Congo very much merits the support of the people in other countries. It's to be hoped that the people's forces in that country will develop further. ___ NEWS ON CONGO postings bring statements by the Congo National Association in Sweden and the DR Congo Committee in Sweden and also reproduce information and analysis from other sources. Postings are sent to: - some 30 Usenet newsgroups, on politics and/or on Africa - some 5 international discussion mailing lists - some 400 private, media or governmental e-mail addresses [This endnote is being updated continually, in order to show readers where at the time they can best get information. Last update of this note: 20.04.2002.] Some websites with information in English and/or in French on the DR Congo: Official site of the DR Congo: http://www.rd-congo.com/ Site of the DR Congo's Permanent Mission at the UN: http://www.un.int/drcongo/ (With much information, i.a. continually updated news in French and English; NB new address this year) Kinshasa newspaper l'Avenir: http://www.groupelavenir.com The Mai-Mai movement, fighting the aggressors in the east: http://www.congo-mai-mai.net Mjumbe wa Kivu, a site on the occupied Kivu province, with i.a. a forum to which the Mai-Mai movement and also the resistance movement les Forces Républicaines Féderalistes have contributed: www.kivu.net Great Lakes Press: http://pages.infinit.net/glp/index.htm Congo 2000: www.congo2000.com Digitalcongo.net: http://www.digitalcongo.net Two Belgium-based sites support the struggle of the DR Congo: www.lai-aib.org/index_fr.htm and www.ptb.be/Solidaire.htm Two other Belgium-based sites: ATMA: www.atma.net and Congon- line: www.congonline.com (the last only for subscribers). An English-language website managed by Richard Alcorn, USA, with i.a. much material from August 1998 on from us supporters of the DR Congo in Sweden: www.crocker.com/~acacia/congo.html (This site has no more recent material; last updated Nov 1998) AllAfrica.com: http://allafrica.com/congo_kinshasa/ (Replaces an earlier site, Africanews) Marekinc: http://www.marekinc.com (Managed by Ed Marek, formerly of the US Air Force. Often ap- parently well-informed and, of late, containing considerable criticism of the official US position on the aggression. Its informations should be treated with great caution anyway, ex- perience shows.) Rebel aggressor puppets, a site based in South Africa: www.congo.co.za Three discussion sites of interest: www.egroups.com/list/congokin_opinions (Belgium-based. E-group discussions are in French and English. For participation, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or congokin_ [EMAIL PROTECTED].) www.egroups.com/list/cdf (Congo Defence Fund) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CONGOTRIBUNE/ (Founded 09.11.2001) Some contact addresses: Congo National Association Box 5343 SE - 102 45 Stockholm Sweden Tel:+46 - 8 - 471 96 26 (chairman) +46 - 8 - 84 57 18 (facility) Fax:+46 - 8 - 751 26 06 DR Congo Committee (Chairman: Bony Ndjov-a-Shamalo) c/o Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe Sweden Tel: +46 - 40 - 12 48 32 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- NEWS ON CONGO 041: 1/2 Negotiations and war [Posted: 15.04.02] NOTE: On websites with information on the DR Congo and for some contact addresses, see endnote last in NOC 042, the continuation of this posting. New here is that the Mai-Mai movement, which is fighting the aggressors in the east, now has its own website, at http://www.congo-mai-mai.net. INTRO NOTE: The items 041 and 042 contain the following parts: In 041: A: On the imperialist war against the DR Congo (same text as in intro note to NOC 040, 23.03.02) B: Two articles (in my translation from the French) from the Kinshasa newspaper l'Avenir, Thursday 11.04, on the ongoing negotiations respectively on the war In 042: C: A message from Kigali (capital of Rwanda) by the news agency AFP, Sunday 14.04 (in translation) D: Some more information on the most recent events, and an attempt at analysis of the present situation in connection with the negotiations at Sun City, South Africa [Texts in B and C and informations in D according to postings to the discussion groups congokin_opinions and CONGOTRIBUNE and to the DR Congo's Permanent Mission at the UN; addresses see endnote.] A. ON THE IMPERIALIST WAR AGAINST THE DR CONGO In the DR Congo, then called Zaire, an uprising against the Mobutu dictatorship which had oppressed and fleeced the people in favour of imperialism since 35 years back started in late 1996 and was victorious on 17.05.1997, when the pre- sent state, the Democratic Republic of Congo, was founded. The liberation struggle was led by Laurent-Désiré Kabila, who also became the first president of the DRC. The DR Congo from the start set itself the goal of freeing the country from imperialist exploitation and building up an actually democratic form of government in it, thereby also setting up an example for all of Africa and for simi- larly exploited countries elsewhere. Because of this, the US and other imperialists instigated a war of aggression against that country on 02.08.1998 by three neighbouring states, a war which so far, directly or indi- rectly, has cost the lives of over 3,000,000 people and which still continues. One-half of the DR Congo today is under fo- reign occupation. The people in the whole country continues to suffer enormously. It very much needs the support of the people in all other countries. After the foul murder of L-D Kabila on 16.01.2001, his son, Joseph Kabila, was installed as president; a government led by J. Kabila has continued the struggle against the aggres- sion since then. Since some weeks back now, a conference is being held in Sun City, South Africa, in which attempts by the imperia- lists to gain control over the whole of the DR Congo by so- called peaceful means are confronted by the strivings of the Congolese people and the country's lawful government to retain the independence of the DRC. The UN Security Council on 19.03 by its Resolution 1399 (2002) condemned the recent military seizure by the aggres- sors, in flagrant violation of the present armistice, of the city of Moliro in the south-east of the DR Congo, and demanded the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of the forces of the so-called RCD-Goma, one of the aggressors' puppets, from that city. B. TWO ARTICLES IN THE NEWSPAPER L'AVENIR, KINSHASA, THURSDAY, 11.04.2002 L'Avenir: *Sun City. A republican front to save the Congo* Kinshasa, 11.04.2002 At the moment when everyone hoped for a solution, even if a late one, of the Congolese crisis, the Rassemblement congo- lais pour la Démocratie (RCD/Goma) [the RCD, which has been acting as a military muppet of one of the invading countries, Rwanda, a large part of it based at Goma in occupied eastern DR Congo - RM] has sounded a note different from those of the other participants in the negotiations. It rejects as a whole the South African president's proposal. [That is, the first proposal by Mbeki for an agreement, put forward on 10.04. He on the next day, 11.04, put forward a second, after consultations with the aggressor-friendly so- called mediator, Masire, one clearly more favourable to those Congolese so-called rebel organizations which have helped the Rwandan and Ugandan invaders. The negotiations at Sun City were scheduled to last until 12.04. On 11.04, it was also proposed that they would be extended until 18.04. This has been accepted by all the participating parties. - RM] One thus is back at the starting-point. And given the time which there is left for the delegates to pack up and go, one fears that one will return empty-handed to the country, with all those consequences which this means. The Congolese public opinion can see in this the irresponsible behaviour of those who aspire to govern the DR Congo. In connection with the pro- posal of president Thabo Mbeki, it becomes clear
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- I'm forwarding this, since the recent information here seems important. - RM Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:25:19 +0200 From: democrite [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,el,ru Subject: [Fwd: Venezuela. First details of President Chavez's return] afapp wrote: Subject: [CubaNews] First details of President Chavez's return Hugo Chavez freed, returns to claim Venezuelan presidency CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Hugo Chavez was freed by his military captors and returned to reclaim the Venezuelan presidency Sunday, greeting a cheering throng of supporters as he stepped out of a helicopter, smiled and raised a fist in triumph. Hundreds of people outside the palace and thousands in the street beyond began singing the Venezuelan national anthem. Chavez, who was ousted by the military on Friday, arrived at the Miraflores presidential palace shortly after 3 a.m. in a dramatic restoration of power following the resignation of Pedro Carmona, who resigned amid violent protests after just one day in office as interim president. Chavez's vice president, Diosdado Cabello, had declared himself acting president until Chavez's return from military custody. Chavez's family, supporters and former government officials insisted he never resigned as president, as Carmona and Venezuela's high command have claimed. Chavez, who was freed by his military captors, greeted a cheering throng of supporters as he stepped out of a helicopter, smiled and raised a fist in triumph. The dramatic restoration of power comes hours after the resignation of Pedro Carmona. He resigned amid violent protests after just one day in office as interim president. Today we are celebrating a new democracy, said one man who took a microphone to greet Chavez. The Organization of American States was sending a delegation to Venezuela to assess the situation. Chavez is a former army paratrooper who led a failed 1992 coup but was elected in 1998 on an anti-poverty platform. His term was to end in 2006. Chavez's attorney general, Isaias Rodriguez, told Carmona's ministers they were under arrest pending possible charges. They must take responsibility. They will be put on trial with all their rights, but they will be put on trial, Cabello said. Some military officials also would be tried for military rebellion, he said. Tens of thousands of people surrounded the presidential palace Sunday after news of Carmona's resignation. They set off powerful fireworks as they waited for Chavez's anticipated return from military custody. Chavez is coming! Chavez is coming! said Dario Fereira, an unemployed man wearing a tattered shirt. Chavez administration officials -- many of whom had evaded dozens of police raids under Carmona's brief reign -- and loyalist military officers hugged each other in the palace's marble-floored courtyard. In these past two days they have persecuted us, said Rafael Ramirez, president of the state-run national gasoline company. Unshaved and with red-rimmed eyes, Ramirez said he had hidden in friend's homes after Chavez's arrest on Friday. Asked about the turnaround, Ramirez said: It's marvelous because the Venezuelan people responded to this illegal coup attempt. Chavez's labor minister, Maria Cristina Iglesias, said Chavez was kept on Orchila Island off the Venezuelan coast. Just hours earlier, interim President Carmona -- a businessman and co-leader of a general strike called last week against Chavez -- announced he had resigned. Carmona was named president by the military high command Friday, hours after generals arrested Chavez for allegedly ordering gunmen to fire on a massive opposition protest on Thursday. Sixteen died and hundreds were wounded in the melee. Dozens more died in rioting and looting on Saturday. Caracas Mayor Alfredo Pena said at least another nine people were killed and 40 wounded Saturday. But an Associated Press reporter witnessed dozens of bodies at city hospitals. We have every right to protest, but they are gunning us down out there, said Edgar Paredes, his clothes soaked in blood as he brought his wounded brother to a hospital. He didn't know who shot Luis, and probably never will. Like most violent demonstrations here, gunfire can erupt from any side, at any time. Demonstrators supporting Chavez -- or opposed to the way he was ousted -- forced Carmona to step down. The commander of a strategic air base in the central city of Maracay rebelled Saturday, setting in motion nationwide protests demanding Chavez's return. Thousands took to the streets, taking over state TV, to demand that Chavez be reinstalled. Signaling a split in the armed forces, several military commanders refused to accept Carmona's
UNITE! Info #170en: US politician questions 11.09.01 [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
lawmakers. Some lawmakers have a less charitable view of McKinney's pen- chant for publicity. Rep. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) said McKinney is simply trying to impress her constituents. She's demonstrated at home an ability to win, he said, and she's demonstrated in Washington a total lack of responsibili- ty in her statements. Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), a friend of McKinney's, said the Georgia Democrat is adept at seizing on red-meat issues that resonate with her political base and have helped her fend off a series of GOP challengers. She's not as random as people think, Kingston said. People always want to hear a political conspiracy theory. Staff writer David Von Drehle contributed to this report. © 2002 The Washington Post Company [END OF QUOTE] UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaf- lets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Ze- dong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir hauptsächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf Anfrage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Volantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi prin- cipalement en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur de- mande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Cada número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su dis- posición, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvud- sakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- 1/2 Re: Is the Last Empire Falling Down? [07.04.02] [Note: This goes to the Communism mailing list at http://homepage.eircom.net/~kampf/ and to the Usenet newsgroups 'alt.society.revolution', 'alt.politics. socialism.mao', 'swnet.politik', 'eunet.politics', 'alt.politics.socialism', 'alt.politics.radical-left', 'alt.activism', 'alt.politics.communism', 'de.soc. politik.misc' and 'alt.politics.india.communist'.] Greg Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, to the Communism list on 09:12 2002-04-04 +0800: Rolf I think you are mixing to separate things up when you identify the fall of the bourgeois and the last imperial power together. And I think we must understand what is happening historically. [Rolf, earlier:] The Last Empire is not merely US imperialism but the entire rule of the bourgeoisie in the world, whose big gendarme of course is US imperialism. World bourgeois rule, that is the class becoming a world ruling class, is in contradiction to the US rogue super- power - state dominance of world affairs and only the bourgeoisie lucky enough to be able to influence it, as against the interests of the class as an international whole. What is going on at the moment is a schemism within the bourgeois world class, where the last imperial power is asserting itself against bourgeois internationalism. On what's happening now as a whole, I don't agree with you, Greg. True, to some certain extent, US imperialism *is* acting as a rogue power within the international bourgeoi- sie, *is* asserting itself against bourgeois internationa- lism. I didn't mention that aspect in my last posting, written rather quickly. You're right in so far that this is one aspect too. However, it *is* a relatively minor one, I absolutely hold. It above all *is* the desperate fear of the imperialist bourgeoisie everywhere of the people in all countries that's behind the present rather open warfare against the people. A warfare which is engaged in most openly, true enough, by the US imperialists, but which the other relatively big-time reactionaries - the rulers of Russia, China, West Europe - are supporting quite eagerly too, and in close co-operation with US imperialism. Remember that when on 11 September 2001, the US imperialists vilely directed several passenger aircraft, supposedly hi- jacked (by some stooges of theirs), to fly smack into the World Trade Center towers and into their own Pentagon, kil- ling upwards of 4,000 people, mainly civilians, and thereby initiating this wave of warfare against the people every- where, neither the Russian nor the Chinese nor the West European bourgeoisie with as much as a whisper indicated publicly who was behind this, as they of course could tell too, but as one man supported the lies of the US imperialists that this was the work of some terrorists supposedly sup- ported by some of the poor and internationally-oppressed and -exploited countries in the world. (On the facts already at an early stage rather clearly showing what forces *were* behind this, see e.g. www.whatreallyhappened.com, www.emperors-clothes.com or www.psyopNews.com, or #152-155 of my UNITE! (etc) Info series.) True enough, the French bourgeoisie apparently did not (at once) go along 100% with Bush's open general declaration of war against the people everywhere on 20.09.2001 (which is one thing that suggests you're right in pointing to the also rogue character of the US imperialists' actions too, Greg - but this still *is* a *minor* factor). And then on the following day, there was that devastating explosion in a chemical plant in Tolouse in southern France, killing many and destroying large part of the city. (See my #154en.) But on the whole, the imperialist bourgeoisie elsewhere (the French one too, eventually) *did* gone along with the US imperialists in their warfare against the people. The Rus- sian and the Chinese rulers came out in quite open support of the following US aggression against Afghanistan, despite the fact that this also contained some intentions of US encircle- ment (attempted such, at least) against their own territo- ries. And not only the British but also the French, German and Japanese rulers, for instance, contributed troops respec- tively naval units for that aggression too. Now that the Israeli zionists, with massive support by the US imperialists, are perpetrating their particularly large and vile aggression, the other relatively big-time reactio- naries are having some doubts, true, and this has forced the Bushies too to put some hypocritical (purported) brakes on, but there's no really effective counteraction by Russia, by China or by the West European bourgeoisie. What the Frankfurter Rundschau (Germany), for instance, is complaining (in a leading article on 05.04) is only that this escalation in the Middle East and the resulting resis- tance against it is now making it more difficult for the US leaders and some
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good - even with the above qualification? It isn't. Take a look at the ongoing aggression against the DR Congo in the middle of Africa, half of which is being occupied by foreign forces at the instigation of the US and other imperialists, which has lost over 3,000,000 in dead due to that aggression, from August 1998 on, and whose people is suffering enormously from that completely illegal act, straight agaist all fundamental principles of the UN, and an enormous crime against humanity. What has the UN done, or tried to do, against this? Practically nothing. It during a long time has cold-bloodedly condoned that aggres- sion. Only in quite recent times, some resolutions have been passed against it, but any effective intervention? Of course not. What *we*, the peoples of the world, need, is a call for *the complete overthrow of imperialism in the world*. The war criminals ruling the USA, and also the ones ruling Swe- den, Australia etc, must be brought down from power, the worst among them must be hung and the rest of them put into prison where they belong, and these forces must then be sup- pressed most rigorously in the world for a long time to come. We need a coalition of armed forces in Isreal to produce the two state solution. What utter bullshit, Greg! Two state solution indeed! The illegal racist state of Israel of course must be brought down and must be replaced, in *all of* Palestine, by *a demo- cratic state* (and not for instance an Islamic one either), one that represents the interests of all those people living there who will not engage in aggression and oppression against others. We need to bring war criminals to justice (Bush and Sharon). I agree. And the others too. We need states to be tied down by international law and treaty and increasingly large proportions of the armed forces to be given over to UN control. That depends - once more - on who would control the UN. As your call stands, it has a bourgeois illusion-mongering' smack to it, I hold. We need universal bans on the production, and keeping of weapons of mass destruction and making this an international crime. Yes, yes. But the people will not get that without interna- tional proletarian revolution. And not one of these things is against the interests of the bourgeoisie... What?? - Of course they are! Against the ones of their main and quite dominant forces, that is, and that's what's counts. Of course those less arch-reactionary ones among them should be encouraged to counter their overlords too, in such and other respects; this nobody should be against. ...or will bring proletarian socialism one step forward, unless of course this becaomes the conscious demand of the working class. But comrades, just having said this I can imagine the backlash, the idea that for the immediate benefit of the working class we should raise a reform which would benefit our class enemies? Well comrades that's just history and it happens all the time, the real problem is saying and doing nothing useful, of confusing the underlying issues by bringing up ghosts from the past. Greg [Greg Schofield Perth Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]] ps Sorry Rolf this is not strictly speaking a response to what you have said rather it has been an opportunity to get something off my mind. Well, and in part, I hold, what you wrote contains some ne- cessary qualification of what I wrote earlier, but in large parts it's illusion-mongerning, in my opinion! Rolf M. --- Message Received --- From: Rolf Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:53:31 +0200 Subject: [COMMUNISM LIST]Re: Is the Last Empire Falling Down? Hello Sayed and others, In my opinion, yes, it is, but it will take some time yet, and enormous struggle, to make that occur. And The Last Empire is not merely US imperialism but the entire rule of the bourgeoisie in the world, whose big gendarme of course is US imperialism. Those people, as rightly said below, *are* getting more and more desperate. Dangerous of course, but also a good sign, for the peoples in the world, of the inner weakness of the imperialist rule. One other thing: Of course it was *not* a communism which fell with the Soviet Union and *its* empire in 1989-1991, but a *revisionist*, *social-imperialist* system; its cha- racter, similar to that of Hitler fascism, as pointed out by Mao Zedong already back in 1964. On the situation still today, Mao Zedong said, in an important speech back in 1962: The next 50 to 100 years or so, beginning from now, will be a great era of radical change in the social system throughout the world, an earth-shaking era with- out equal in any previous historical period. Living in such an era, we must be prepared to engage in great struggles which will have many features different in form from those of the past. Perhaps it will be somewhat more than 100
UNITE! Info #167en: The ozone hole hoax refuted [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
) in the time 1988-2002, and a horizontal line which shows that the mean level has not changed at all. The text reads in English: Monthly deviation (%) of total ozone Norrköping/ Vindeln from Uppsala 1951-1966 Linear trend Feb 1988 - Dec 2001 +0.0 % / decade. Which is just one of several *pretty hard facts* on this subject, possible for everybody to ascertain for him/herself. Rolf M. Malmoe, Sweden UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaf- lets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Ze- dong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir hauptsächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf Anfrage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Volantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi prin- cipalement en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur de- mande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Cada número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su dis- posición, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvud- sakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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clearly hinted that Angola [one of the countries which has importantly supported the DR Congo with military forces in its struggle against the aggression, from the beginning of that aggression in August 1998 and in the following years - RM] at present needs to concentrate on questions having to do with its own security and would no longer be involved in the Congolese crisis. *Note for our readers' attention* Because of technical problems which Grand-Lacs Confidentiel has encountered lately, GLAC has opened a temporary mailbox for priority messages to its readers. Please do not use this mailbox for replying to us. For all replies and comments, please continue to write to us at the following usual mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. [END OF QUOTE] __ NEWS ON CONGO postings bring statements by the Congo National Association in Sweden and the DR Congo Committee in Sweden and also reproduce information and analysis from other sources. [This endnote is being updated continually, in order to show readers where at the time they can best get information. Last update of this note: 24.03.2002.] Some websites with information in English and/or in French on the DR Congo: Official site of the DR Congo (new, May 2001): http://www.rd-congo.com/ Site of the DR Congo's Permanent Mission at the UN: http://www.undp.org/missions/drcongo (With much information, i.a. continually updated news in French and English) Kinshasa newspaper l'Avenir: http://www.groupelavenir.com/Avenir-Quotidien/index.html Great Lakes Press: http://pages.infinit.net/glp/index.htm Congolese League for Peace (abbr. LICOPA): www.multimania.com/licopa/ Congo 2000: www.congo2000.com Two Belgium-based sites support the struggle of the DR Congo: www.lai-aib.org/index_fr.htm and www.ptb.be/Solidaire.htm. Two other Belgium-based sites: ATMA www.atma.net and Congon- line www.congonline.com (the last only for subscribers). An English-language website managed by Richard Alcorn, USA, with i.a. much material from August 1998 on from us supporters of the DR Congo in Sweden: www.crocker.com/~acacia/congo.html (This site has no more recent material; last updated Nov. 1998) Africanews: www.africanews.org/central/congo-kinshasa/ CIDES, and Comité de la Communauté Congolaise du Nord de la France (Committee of the Congolese Community in Northern France): www.cides-congo.org NCN: http:www.marekinc.com (Managed by Ed Marek, formerly of the US Air Force. Often ap- parently well-informed and, of late, containing considerable criticism of the official US position on the aggression. Its informations should be treated with great caution anyway, ex- perience shows.) Rebel aggressor puppets, a site based in South Africa: www.congo.co.za Two discussions sites of interest: www.egroups.com/list/congokin_opinions (Belgium-based. E-group discussions are in French and English. For participation, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or congokin_ [EMAIL PROTECTED].) and www.egroups.com/list/cdf Some contact addresses: Congo National Association Box 5343 SE - 102 45 Stockholm Sweden Tel:+46 - 8 - 471 96 26 (chairman) +46 - 8 - 84 57 18 (facility) Fax:+46 - 8 - 751 26 06 DR Congo Committee (Chairman: Bony Ndjov-a-Shamalo) c/o Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe Sweden (new contact address, change from former post box one) Tel: +46 - 40 - 12 48 32 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- This didn't reach the list on 20.03; I'm trying again now, 26.03.02. - RM UNITE! Info #166en: 1/8 The ozone hole terror hoax [Posted: 20.03.02] Note / Anmerkung / Note / Nota / Anmärkning: On the UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: See information on the last page / Siehe Information auf der letzten Seite / Verrez information à la dernière page / Ver información en la última página / Se information på sista sidan INTRO NOTE: In #136en of this series, 'A mail to Thomas Gold, Cc others', of 16.09.2000, 12 scientific megahoaxes of today were listed as being quite serious attacks on the people in all countries by the main reactionaries in the world, intended at all costs to preserve the international capitalist and imperialist system of oppression and exploitation a little longer. I in that Info announced as a programme of mine to investi- gate further, as well as I could, in the respective cases: A: What are the main actual facts of the matter B: Who are perpetrating the hoax, and since when C: Why is the hoax being perpetrated D: What damage does the hoax, as propagandized and acted on, cause to the vast majority of people on earth E: How can and must the hoax be combated. The rather recent #165en, 'The big greenhouse hoax (1)' (in 4 parts, 22.02.02), was a result of one part of this program- me, and so is the present Info. One immediate reason for its being written and sent now is the spilling-over of part of a debate on some newsgroups concerning the questions touched on in Info #165en into the questions pertaining to a supposed manmade ozone hole. On a discussion under Re: Ozone hole?, which the writer hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] had showed me was going on, I commented briefly, and on 08.03 got some replies from Paul F. Dietz [EMAIL PROTECTED] and David Bell wraith7@mb. sympatico.ca, arguing i.a.: [Paul F. Dietz:] I used to be skeptical of CFCs affecting the ozone layer. But the theory that anthropogenic halocarbons are respon- sible for the ozone hole has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. To believe otherwise these days is on par with be- lieving the earth is flat..., and later in reply to my question, what was the evidence for this, a reference, by both writers, to the website: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/. This is a FAQ in 4 parts on this matter by Robert Parson, University of Colorado, USA, last updated in 1997, which ap- parently has been quoted quite often in debates. I've now studied this site, which turns out to be another of the swindle kind (by whose fault more precisely, I cannot tell), a relatively advanced and also in part informative such. I've gained some more knowledge on the purported ozone depletion also by looking up the sites: The Science and Environmental Policy Project (S. Fred Singer and others, USA): www.sepp.org (with articles on the subject from 1989 to 1998), a 1994 article by Robert J. Bidinotto, Ozone Depletion: http://www.vix.com/objectivism/Writing/RobertBidinotto/ OzoneDepletion.html, and the homepages of, among others, The World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the TOMS satellite and the Swedish meteo- rological institute, SMHI - the last-mentioned has some data, both from as far back as the 1950s and, not least, some quite recent ones, which in my judgement contribute importantly to- wards refuting the ozone hole hoax. Like all other offi- cial organs (of the richer states at least), the SMHI too (of course) propagandistically supports that same hoax. Also, the 1992 book by Maduro and Schauerhammer, USA: The Holes in the Ozone Scare, from which most of my earlier knowledge or supposed knowledge on the subject has stemmed (though I - of course - didn't and don't agree with the poli- tical line advocated in it), still very much is to be recom- mended, in my opinion, and I shall quote extensively from it. (One proposition advanced by that book as one of several ma- jor arguments against the scare, later criticized both by Parson and by Bidinotto [see above], in fact obviously is false - its saying that natural amounts of chlorine in the stratosphere must always be much bigger than any resulting from breakdown of CFCs, supposedly a manmade factor adding to the always occuring natural processes which destroy ozone. But this question, as will be seen, has very little relevance anyway.) The scientific questions concerning the ozone layer in the atmosphere, possible changes in it and possible effects of such changes on human life make up a whole which is more com- plicated than the one concerning possible climate change, for instance. And the covering-up and confusion-mongering, by the main reactionaries, in connection with this big ozone hole hoax, is even more massive than that connected with their pa- rallel (and in part
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #166en: 2/8 The ozone hole terror hoax [Posted: 20.03.02] [Continued from part 1/8] 04. THE RULING WAR CRIMINALS' EXTREME HURRY TO ENFORCE CFC BANS IN 1987-1995 Against that hurry, above all by the main forces of US impe- rialism at that time but also by others, rather many scien- tists protested. The fact that obviously, some political rea- sons or other lay behind it was publicly pointed out by some of them too, for instance by S. Fred Singer. He wrote, con- cerning one conference, the political activity in connection with it and the enormously harmful effects of the bans de- cided on (see www.sepp.org): My Adventures in the Ozone Layer by S. Fred Singer National Review, June 1989 The 123-nation Conference to Save the Ozone Layer, held in London in March 1989, ended with a whimper. The developing nations, principally China and India, were quite unconvinced by the evidence and unwilling to go along with the European Community and the United States in rushing to phase out completely the chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and other widely used che- micals. It seems they know better. It is rumored that Mrs. Thatcher was converted into a global ozone fan by Sir Crispin Tickell, the diplomat turned eco-freak. Lord knows who the President Bush has been listening to, but he deserves better advice. Now it's on to a European conference in the Hague to which Maggie and George have not been invited --tsk, tsk-- and then a follow-up to London in Helsinki in May. All this after the 1985 Vienna Convention, the Montreal Protocol (Sept 1987), Geneva, Toronto, and who knows how many other international gabfests in between. Who can keep track of them? Norway's Prime Minister Mrs. Gro Harlem Brundtland hardly spends time in Oslo anymore. My word! When do these people ever govern? The hyperactivity this creates in the agencies, main- ly in the State Department and EPA, has to be seen to be believed. The congressional Government Accounting Office would have done an investigation and totaled up the thousands of hours and the huge resources spent on this issue -- except for the fact that Con- gress and its staffs are just as involved. As the Hill folks try to outdo the Administration and the feds dream up new initiatives, things are building up to a fever pitch -- spurred on by lurid stories in the media about the imminent danger. Arctic Ozone is Poised for a Fall scream the headlines. Skin Cancer is on the Rise! Is it all hype? Or is it a hoax? And is the hysteria for real? As we'll see later, the scientific basis for the much-touted ozone crisis may be evaporating-- leaving the new breed of geo-eco-politicians high and dry. ... I am not against CFC control at all; but look at the poor state of the scientific evidence. The case against CFCs is based on a theory of ozone depletion, plausible but quite incomplete-- and certainly not reliable in its quantitative predictions. ... And substituting for CFCs is no simple matter. A New York Times report of March 7, 1989 talks about the disadvantages of the CFC substitutes. They may be toxic, flammable, and corrosive; and they certainly won't work as well. They'll reduce the energy effici- ency of appliances such as refrigerators, and they'll deteriorate, requiring frequent replacement. Nor is this all; about $135 billion of equipment use CFCs in the U.S. alone, and much of this equipment will have to be replaced or modified to work well with the CFC substitutes. Eventually that will in- volve 100 million home refrigerators, the air-condi- tioners in 90 million cars, and the central air-con- ditioning plants in 100,000 large buildings. Good luck! The total costs haven't really been added up yet. These are some of the costs we are now trying to im- pose on the developing countries who can ill afford them. Sanctions through a new U.N. agency seem to be out -- at least for the time being. But trade bar- riers can accomplish the same results and won't make us beloved. One can hear already the charge of en- vironmental imperialism from third-world countries accusing the West of protecting its pocket books as well as its fair skins. Keep in mind that olive- skinned and dark-skinned people are not very suscep- tible to skin tumors caused by solar ultraviolet rays. Of course, if we in
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #166en: 3/8 The ozone hole terror hoax [Posted: 20.03.02] [Continued from part 2/8] 06. A BRIEF LOOK AT SOME RECENT SWEDISH OZONE LEVEL DATA, AND AT SOME OLDER ONES TOO - LAYER NOW THICKER THAN IN MANY YEARS BEFORE Over Sweden, as over other countries rather far away from the equator, ozone levels vary quite considerably, from day to day even, and in particular with the seasons. And there are some - smaller but important - periodic year-to-year varia- tions too. More on this under points 08 and 11 below. Normally, the ozone layer at our latitudes is at its thick- est in the spring...Typical levels for March and April over Sweden are between 350 and 450 DU, SMHI, the meteorological instiute here, says at its homepage (in Swedish, which I'm translating here). The thickness of the ozone layer is mea- sured in Dobson Units (DU - for a definition, see under point 08 below). I assume that in other seasons of the year, ozone levels over this country often fall to under 300 DU, and that an annual mean for Sweden may be something like 330 DU. Thus, there are seasonal variations of sometimes over 30 per- cent. These SMHI informations tally with those in Maduro's and Schauerhammer's 1992 book: ...in northern latitudes the thickness of the ozone layer is almost 500 dobson units in March (spring), dropping down to less than 300 dobson units by Octo- ber (fall) - a depletion of 40 percent on the average each year. In contrast, in the tropics (close to the equator), the thickness of the ozone layer is 220 to 250 dobson units and shows little change on a seaso- nal basis. Parson's 1997 FAQ shows ozone levels and their seasonal va- riations over St. Petersburg (at 60 degrees North, approxima- tely the same as mid-Sweden) in a simliar way: Location Column thickness, Dobson Units Jan Apr Jul Oct St. Petersburg, Russia (60º N) 360 425 345 300 Now some recent or relatively recent data reported by the SMHI are quite interesting - concerning the question of whether there in the last few decades may have have been some more important trend of global ozone depletion (one conside- rably larger, say, than 3 percent per decade) or not: Generally speaking (the SMHI said recently at its homepage) the ozone layer over the northern hemi- sphere has been much thicker, during the years 2000 and 2001, than in many years before. In the latest few weeks (up until 15.03.2002) the ozone layer over Sweden has been relatively thick. On 2 March, a level of 556.7 DU was measured over Norr- köping (which is at 58 degrees North) and a some- what lower one over Vindeln (at 64 degrees N). Solar activity is likely to remain high this year too but is expected to decrease the next year. (Meaning that ozone production, which is caused by the sun's UV radiation, will still be large too for a while, over the globe as a whole, and later de- crease. See also under point 11 below.) The QBO (a quasi-biennial oscillation of the winds blowing from the tropical regions, which have the highest ozone production, to higher latitudes; the ozone transport due to these winds is at its biggest in periods with some 26 months in between) will change its phase rather soon, and this means that ozone levels will decrease in the coming winter and spring. (More on the QBO too under point 11 below.) And under Old News, the SMHI says, in a report from March 2001: OZONE ALL-TIME HIGH In Norrköping, on 23 February 2001 a new absolute maximum record for measurements since 1988 was noted, at 574 DU. The old all-time high was from 9 April 1988 and was 521 DU. A considerable increase! ... In Uppsala (at 60 degrees N, thus quite similar to Norrköping) the level was measured at 536 DU in April 1961, which was an all-time high for the mea- surements at that station, between 1951 and 1966. At Vindeln, the all-time high since 1991 is 535 DU. Probably there too, the level was higher on 23 Febru- ary this year (2001). So, not only was the ozone layer over the northern hemisphere much thicker, in 2000-2001, than in many years before. (How many years, the SMHI didn't say.) There even was an all- time high (574 DU), on one day in 2001, not only considerably above the previous one measured by the same station, at Norr- köping, in 1988, its starting year (521 DU), but also consi- derably above the all-time high (536 DU) reported way back in 1961 by the Uppsala station, which operated between 1951 and 1966. And that quite recent level too, from 2 March
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #166en: 4/8 The ozone hole terror hoax [Posted: 20.03.02] [Continued from part 3/8] 09. ULTRAVIOLET (UV) RADIATION AND ITS INTERACTION WITH OZONE That part of the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation which is of interest in this context is shown in the table below. All of this radiation, of different wavelengths, of course is being emitted by the sun. Type of radiation Wavelengths (1 nm = 0.000,000,001 m) [infrared (heat) radiation 700 nm - 1 mm] visible light 400 nm - 700 nm ultraviolet A radiation (UV-A) 320 nm - 400 nm ultraviolet B radiation (UV-B) 280 nm - 320 nm ultraviolet C radiation (UV-C) 40 nm - 280 nm [X-rays0.01 nm - 40 nm] These various types of radiation, all coming from the sun, are filtered out in various ways and to various extents by the atmosphere, so that only certain proportions of the radi- ation of the respective types reach the ground. Visible light accounts for less than 1 percent of all the energy emitted as radiation by the sun towards the earth, but it's hardly filtered away at all by the atmosphere. Almost 100 percent if it (the 400-700 nm wavelengths) reaches the ground, which is probably why human (and most animal) eyes have evolved to perceive precisely these wavelengths. Ultraviolet waves (UV-A, UV-B and UV-C) comprise 5 percent of the total energy from solar radiation that reaches Earth, and infrared waves comprise 40 percent of it. Neither ozone nor, for instance, ordinary oxygen (O2) filter out any important amounts of UV-A, so almost 100 percent of this radiation too reaches the ground. The amount of UV-A that reaches the ground is 100 times as large as the amount of UV-B that does this. UV-A causes skin tans (to various individual degrees) in white-skinned people, as does UV-B too. UV-A, which is not absorbed by ozone, is not usually thought to be especially dangerous, says Parson. He however notes too, as do Maduro and Schauerhammer, a possiblity, sug- gested by some scientists, that one particular kind of skin cancers, called malignant melanoma, might be caused by UV-A. These melanoma have been on the rise, in some coun- tries, since the 1940s; they are infrequent but, in contrast to other skin cancers, sometimes fatal. They clearly are not caused by UV-B, and my sources, from 1992-97, agreed that there was then no certainty at all about what did cause them. Of UV-C, only very small amounts reach the earth's surface. Practically all of it is filtered out by oxygen, O2, in the atmosphere, some of it (the wavelengths below 240 nm), as seen above, breaking up some of these oxygen molecules in the stratosphere and in particular at its region some 30-35 km up, thus forming ozone. (Most of) UV-C, that's ozone-produ- cing stuff. UV-B is the biologically most active and important, both in a positive sense and a negative one, of the ultraviolet radia- tion types. Most of the incoming UV-B is filtered out by ozone (O3) and also by ordinary oxygen (O2) before it reaches the surface. So it's in relation to UV-B that the ozone layer has its most important shielding function. Ozone absorbs very strongly in the ultraviolet region bet- ween about 3,300 and 2,200 Å, (or 330 to 220 nm; Å or Ång- ström is a unit often used earlier; 1 Å = 10^-10 m) the strongest absorption being at a wavelength of about 2,500 Å (250 nm) where it is extremely intense, Dobson wrote in 1968 (as quoted in 1992). That is, ozone absorbs UV radiation best at a somewhat grea- ter wavelength, 250 nm, than the ones which create it; these are from 240 nm and downwards. In connection with this, Par- son asks one question and answers it: If the ozone is lost, won't the UV light just pene- trate deeper into the atmosphere and make more ozone? This does happen to some extent - it's called 'self- healing' - and has the effect of moving ozone from the upper to the lower stratosphere. Recall that ozone is *created* by UV with wavelengths less than 240 nm, but functions by *absorbing* UV with wave- lengths greater than 240 nm. The peak of the ozone absorption band is at ~250 nm, and the cross-section falls off at shorter wave- lengths. The O2 and O3 absorption bands do overlap, though, and UV radiation between 200 and 240 nm has a good chance of being absorbed by *either* O2 or O3. [Rowland and Molina 1975] (Below 200 nm the O2 ab- sorption cross-section increases dramatically, and O3 absorption is insignificant in comparison.) Since there is some overlap, a decrease in ozone does lead to a small increase in absorption by O2. This is a weak feedback, however, and it does not compensate for the ozone destroyed.
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- This didn't reach the list on 22.03; I'm trying again now, 26.03.02. - RM An important piece of information, petokraka; thank you for this! I shall pass it on to others. The forgotten aggression against the DR Congo, which has so far cost over 2 million lives since it started in August 1998, is one important thing for all anti-imperialists to combat. The Mayi-Mayi, fighting the US-etc-instigated aggressors in the east, are a valiant lot. Certainly they need all the international support they can get, and some more too. Rolf M. At 23:28 2002-03-11 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 06/03/02 20:10:19 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:[AfricaT] communiqué Date:06/03/02 20:10:19 Eastern Standard Time From:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet A la presse A tous les patriotes congolais A tous les amis du peuple congolais. Nous vous annonçons l'existence du site http://www.congo-mai-mai.net Sur ce site vous trouverez tous les communiqués, la présentation, l'historique et les autres informations concernant les Maï Maï. Comme vous savez les Maï Maï résistent contre l'agression, l'occupation et le pillage de nos territoires par les armées du Rwanda, de l'Ouganda et du Burundi. Puisque les ennemis du peuple congolais essaient de semer la confusion, nous trouvons qu'il est important que nous puissions nous adresser directement au public. Vous trouverez sur ce site entre autres le procès-verbal de la réunion tenu à Gabarone la semaine passée où les représentants des Maï Maï au Dialogue inter-congolais ont été désigné. Ce procès-verbal est très utile pour chacun qui veut voir clair dans la définition des Maï Maï et dans la question qui sont les vrai et les faux Maï Maï. En dehors des informations sur les Maï Maï vous trouverez aussi une rubrique Tribune. Vous pouvez vous inscrire sur la lettre de nouvelles qui vous informera une fois par semaine des nouveautés sur notre site. Vous pouvez aussi participer à notre forum. Pour ces deux inscriptions, il suffit de lire l'information dans la rubrique mailingliste. PATRIOTES RESISTANTS MAI - MAI ( PAREMA ) Pour la défense des intérêt du peuple, nous résistons. Pour la cause juste, nous vaincrons --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #166en: 6/8 The ozone hole terror hoax [Posted: 20.03.02] [Continued from part 5/8] 15. WHY HAVE ALL DEPLETION TREND DATA AFTER 1998 VANISHED INTO A BIG BLACK HOLE? If you search the Internet World Wide Web for articles with ozone depletion propaganda, you'll find that there are a large number of such from all the years up until 1998; then they suddenly practically cease altogether. The reason for this is of course that this big lie with each passing year has come even more into conflict with reality. An ozone depletion trend of, say, 3 percent per decade, which there perhaps was in the 1980s, according to the CFC depletion propagandists such as the WMO, would continue and would, if anything, be bigger, not smaller, in the 1990s, and in the next two decades too. Thus there in 2000 would be some 6 percent (at least) less global ozone than in 1980. To ascertain quite clearly, in 2000 or today, whether there had (has) in fact been a decrease of that order over the past 20 years or so perhaps still is not all that easy, because of those quite large natural variations which there are. But the silence, since some three years back, by the react- tionary propgandists, on any long term global ozone deple- tion trend, is very telling anyway. No international data on this are being shown any more. What has continued, after 1989, is more or less only pro- paganda concerning that local phenomenon, the Antarctic ozone hole, and (of course) such of the cruder kind, just by scare statements with hardly any attempts at supporting them. The fact that the ozone layer, at least over the northern hemisphere, has been unusually thick in recent years (2000- 2001) and apparently still is today, hasn't helped the de- pletion propagandists either, of course. This fact of course to a large extent is due to that maximum, one of the bigger kind too, in sunspots which there was/is around the year 2001 (if I understand things correctly). And the QBO too seems to make for high ozone levels at higher latitudes at present. (See under point 11 above.) This is a temporary phenomenon. But also in the following years, when the number of sunspots will decrease, for in- stance (reaching a new minimum around 2007), and the QBO will change phase (this is predicted already for the next winter, with a change back some 26 months after that again), the CFCs (etc) ozone depletion hoax will continue to come more and more into conflict with the observed facts. Unfortunately, the ruling imperialist war criminals already have managed to enforce their anti-industrial and genocidal bans against these vital substances, propagandistically jus- tified by this hoax, and since it's they who still have practically all the political power and practically all the international propaganda resources too, it will be quite dif- ficult for the people in the world to get these bans revoked - as long as these conditions remain as they are. Here's a little about how global ozone depletion propagan- da has developed after 1998: The World Meteorological Organization (WMO), for instance - the main scientific such propagandist in recent years - publishes press releases on various questions; the latest, #671, was on 07.03.2002. On ozone, in the most recent years including 1998, there were only two: Firstly, WMO #619, on 01.10.1998. It was headlined Record Ozone depletion in the Antarctic (on this subject, see point zz below) and had the following few lines on ozone levels elsewhere: Relatively higher ozone dominated over the middle latitudes - only 3 to 7% less than the pre-ozone-hole averages. Maximum values of 430 to 480 m atm-cm [the same as 430-480 DU - RM] appeared usually over the ocean area in the sector separating the Antarctic from New-Zealand and Australia., and further: WMO is responsible for the international co-ordina- tion of the atmospheric science and systematic obser- vations in support of the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer. 'As the authoritative scientific voice on atmospheric issues within the United Nations family, WMO will continue to provide up to date information on the status of the ozone layer' said Professor Obasi [Secretary-General of WMO]. And secondly, WMO #652, on 15.09.2000, on the occasion of the International Day for Preservation of the Ozone Layer (there even is a such, 16 September, decided on by the UN!). It was headlined, in familiar fashion: Unprecedented rate of ozone loss measured one to two weeks earlier over and near Antarctica, but did not breathe a word about ozone levels elsewhere. No later WMO press release has done this either. This should be contrasted to those estimates by the WMO it- self of future ozone depletion, in its 1998 Ozone Report No. 44, which were quoted under point 14 above,
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #166en: 7/8 The ozone hole terror hoax [Posted: 20.03.02] [Continued from part 6/8] 17. THE ANTARCTIC OZONE HOLE, A FAKE THREAT As said under point 08 above, over the higher latitudes (more precisely, over what the WMO calls the midlatitudes, bet- ween 25º and 60º or so), the annual mean level of ozone is somewhat higher than over the tropics, 300 DU over the USA and some 330 DU over Sweden, for instance, compared to 220- 250 DU close to the equator, and seasonal variations there are quite large, in contrast to over the tropics, where the ozone layer thickness always remains at those 220-250 DU. The ozone layer over Sweden is at its thickest in the spring (March-May in the northern hemisphere), between 350 and 450 DU then, says the SMHI (see point 06 above), and in late au- tumn often thins out to below 300 DU. Day-to-day variations are even larger, with for instance that all-time high of 574 DU over mid-Sweden (58º N) on 23 February 2001, the recent reading of 557 DU on 2 March 2002 too, both considerably above the former all-time high of 536 DU in April 1961, and also the all-time low over Sweden at only 194 DU on 30 Novem- ber 1999. It's mainly transport of ozone with the winds from the tro- pics that accounts for these large variations. Equally large, and sometimes even larger, variations in the thickness of the ozone layer there are over the Arctic and the Antarctic regions (at latitudes higher than some 70º N respectively 70ºS). In these regions close to the respective Poles, there are particular meteorlogical vortices, approxi- mately circular or elliptical currents which at some points in the seasons may more or less prevent the influx of ozone- rich air from the lower latitudes. The vortex over the Ant- arctic is much stronger than that over the Arctic, which is impeded by chains of mountains. Over the Arctic, the ozone layer varies between some 480 DU in the (northern) spring and some 260 DU in the autumn, as already measured by Dobson back in the 1950s. The correspon- ding seasonal dip in the level of ozone over the Antarctic, which occurs in the southern spring, in September-October each year, is much deeper than the Arctic one. A table by Parson (whose data I shall complement a little in the below) shows approximately how deep it was in the years 1956-1997: [QUOTE:] Halley Bay Antarctic Ozone Data Mean October ozone column thickness, Dobson Units, as measured at the British Antarctic Survey station at Halley Bay (Latitude 76 south, Longitude 26 west) 1956 321 1971 299 1986 248 1957 330 1972 304 1987 163 1958 314 1973 289 1988 232 1959 311 1974 274 1989 164 1960 301 1975 308 1990 179 1961 317 1976 283 1991 155 1962 332 1977 251 1992 142 1963 309 1978 284 1993 111 1964 318 1979 261 1994 124 1965 281 1980 227 1995 129 1966 316 1981 237 1996 139 1967 323 1982 234 1997 139 1968 301 1983 210 1969 282 1984 201 1970 282 1985 196 Data from J. D. Shanklin, British Antarctic Survey, personal communications, 1993-95. [END OF QUOTE] As is seen, from approximately the late 1970s on and up to the early 1990s, there was a tendency for the September-October dip to get deeper year by year, and up until 1997 at least, it stayed at a level considerably lower than the mean one of pre- vious years. The difference between that level and the earlier mean one is what the ozone depletion propagandists are cal- ling the Antarctic ozone hole. Parson writes too that There is no question that the ozone layer over antarctica has thin- ned dramatically over the past 15 years and that: The antarctic ozone hole, discussed in detail in Part III [of the 1997 'FAQ'], falls far outside this range of natural variation [the one of seasonal such else- where - RM]. Mean October ozone at Halley Bay on the Antarctic coast was 117 DU in 1993, down from 321 DU in 1956. On whether an Antarctic October ozone level mean of 117 DU (or 111 DU - see table) actually does fall far outside the range of earlier natural variation or not, see further below. The term ozone hole, for this greater depth of the Septem- ber-October level dip, of course is a propagandistic one. More precisely, the WMO defines as an Antarctic ozone hole a region over which there, during a certain seasonal period, is less than 50% of the ozone which there there was on the average over the same region, during the same seasonal period, in a number of years which the WMO takes as the norm, those
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o más idiomas. Están a su dis- posición, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvud- sakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9617B Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Re: UNITE! Info #160en, 2/2: Correction of an address [20.01.02] It has been pointed out to me that an URL address I gave in part 2/2 of yesterday's UNITE! Info #160en: Revolutionary leaders' errors was wrong - thanks, Juan, for that! The correct address follows here. The site with: THE EMERGING DISPUTES BETWEEN BEIJING AND MOSCOW: TEN NEWLY AVAILABLE CHINESE DOCUMENTS, 1956-1958 is *not* at: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/CWIHP/BULLETINS/b6-7a10.htm as a wrote, but at: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/CWIHP/BULLETINS/b6-7a10.htm Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #160en: 1/2 Revolutionary leaders' errors [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #160en: 1/2 Revolutionary leaders' errors [Posted: 19.01.02] Note / Anmerkung / Note / Nota / Anmärkning: On the UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: See information on the last page / Siehe Information auf der letzten Seite / Verrez information à la dernière page / Ver información en la última página / Se information på sista sidan 1. A DISCUSSION TAKING PLACE ON SOME NEWSGROUPS Today the ongoing putrefaction of the entire international social system of capitalism and imperialism and the worse and worse crimes of that system's rulers against the people in the world is putting a number of questions on the order of the day: How can this present international order be overthrown? Is it possible basically to get rid of it? How did those earlier societies, in the Soviet Union and in China above all, which were said to be quite different from that, to be socialist so- cieties, actually function? Did they bring some experience which is valuable for people today, concerning the possibili- ties for the future, or not? And in connection with this, what was done correctly by some of those societies' leaders and what incorrectly - as seen from the standpoint that it's the common interests of the vast majority of all people on earth that must be furthered? On this last, there has recently been a discussion on some Internet newsgroups, 'alt.activism', alt.politics.socialism', 'alt.politics.radical-left', alt.politics.socialism.trotsky' and 'alt.politics.socialism.mao'. Of course, the actions of various leaders (whether revolutio- nary ones or not) are very much those of those different classes, strata or groups in society whose interests they represent (consistently or perhaps less so - a person's standpoint also may change with time). Single individuals cannot make all that much of a difference all by themselves. Some political leaders in recent history have had such impor- tance anyway, that certain lines of action still today are being identified very much with their respective names. This Info is intended as a longer reply in the abovementioned discussion, which mainly has been on the role and the actions of Josef Stalin, General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1924 to his death in 1953. 2. REPLY TO A TROTSKY ADHERENT In article stephend15-3E0786.20470118012002@news. mindspring.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says, subject 'Proyect's Perpetual Whining elementary ally HW's'... So, tell me this. WHY did the great revolutionary Stalin form an unprincipled alliance (and I refer here not to a treaty, but to a whole international line which declared that in the capitalist countries the Nazis were not worse than anyone else, in order to further the aims of his al- liance with Hitler? As you point out, this included imper- missible secret diplomacy (so as to hide the fact that the line of the Communist Parties was to be subordinated to that alliance). Yet, Stalin had accused the entire leadership of the Bol- shevik party with being in league with the Nazis. Do tell us how this revolutionary could have fallen so low as to abandon socialist internationalism, while still having (in your view) genuine revolutionary credentials. What happened? Do you have an analysis, or just checkered criticisms? srd I shall reply to this, Stephen Diamond, by 1) first repeating that criticism of mine of that alliance which I wrote in re- ply to Louis N. Proyect, likewise a Trotsky adherent, then 2) saying what I think were the approximate reasons why pro- letarian internationalism, in fact, *was* abandoned *at least in part* by the leadership of the Soviet Union in 1939 and also earlier and later, and 3) last in this posting bringing some lines from a relatively recently published document (genuine-looking to me) from 1956 with some comments by Mao Zedong on Stalin and also on some principles concerning re- volutionary leaders' errors in general. 3. A COMMENT ON THE 1939 MOLOTOV-RIBBENTROP PACT AND ALSO ON THE STANDPOINT OF TROTSKY (AGAIN) In reply to Louis N Proyect earlier today (subject Proyect's Perpetual Whining - a thread initiated by Hunter Watson), I wrote: [QUOTE:] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... But as I've written before, it's funny to see *a Trotsky ad- herent*, and a supposedly principled one too, criticize that alliance of Stalin's in 1939, since at the time, Trot- sky said absolutely nothing against it but on the contrary wrote it was a very good idea. And its main character (which did contain some contradictory elements) could be seen rather clearly even then, even without knowledge of that secret protocol. Rolf M. There's actually nothing about the Stalin-Hitler pact in itself that is unprincipled. When you really get down to it, making a non-aggression pact with Nazi
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? It was between father and son in the past; now it more or less resembles a brotherly relationship, but the shadow of the father-and-son relationship is not com- pletely removed. This is understandable, because changes can never be completed in one day. With certain openness, people are now able to think freely and independently. Now there is, in a sense, the atmosphere of anti-feudalism: a father-and-son relationship is giving way to a brotherly re- lationship, and a patriarchal system is being toppled. During [Stalins] time peoples minds were so tightly con- trolled that even the feudalist control had been surpassed. While some enlightened feudal lords or emperors would accept criticism, [Stalin] would tolerate none. Yugoslavia might also have such a ruler [in your history] who might take it well even when people cursed him right in his face. The ca- pitalist society has taken a step ahead of the feudalist so- ciety. The Republican and Democratic Parties in the United States are allowed to quarrel with each other. We socialist countries must find [better] solutions. Cer- tainly, we need concentration and unification; otherwise, uniformity cannot be maintained. The uniformity of peoples minds is in our favor, enabling us to achieve industrializa- tion in a short period and to deal with the imperialists. It, however, embodies some shortcomings, that is, people are made afraid of speaking out. Therefore, we must find some ways to encourage people to speak out. Our Politburos comrades have recently been considering these issues. Few people in China have ever openly criticized me. The [Chinese] people are tolerant of my shortcomings and mis- takes. It is because we always want to serve the people and do good things for the people. Although we sometimes also suffer from bossism and bureaucracy, the people believe that we have done more good things than bad ones and, as a result, they praise us more than criticize us. Consequently, an idol is created: when some people criticize me, others would op- pose them and accuse them of disrespecting the leader. Every day I and other comrades of the central leadership re- ceive some three hundred letters, some of which are critical of us. These letters, however, are either not signed or signed with a false name. The authors are not afraid that we would suppress them, but they are afraid that others around them would make them suffer. [END OF QUOTE] UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaf- lets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Ze- dong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir hauptsächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf Anfrage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Volantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi prin- cipalement en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur de- mande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Cada número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su dis- posición, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvud- sakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Billical phrase A plague on both your houses! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 02:53 2001-12-12 +, Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [RM:] I was trying to show some erudition, you know, and besides, I've long found this to be a pretty good phrase, considering some elements in the political situation in our time. Any other good examples? Enticingly, Bill. I meant above all the houses of traditional capitalism and imperialism, on the one hand, and revisionism, as represented not least by the social-imperialist Soviet Union and its adherents from the 60s on. There are many onther examples too of how the people has been put between two fires, or caught in a kind of pncer attack, but I shall leave it at that for now. This phenomenon, of two reactionary rivals', or semi-rivals' and also partners', saying they are each others' only enemies, so that if you don't want the pest, then you must choose the cholera - indeed, you're a cholera advocate - at any rate is one which people should look out for, in many respects today. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Rolf, Barrybullah [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 23:59 2001-12-10 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2001 12:53:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there's a show of hands, mine goes for getting rid of Rolf with his interminable and ill-titled 'Unite' spam, his churlish 'debates' and his unceasing sectarianism. You don't have to read this mail. Cynthia Which is one of those truths which we (most people, I think) find to be self-evident. The reason for this churlish (whatever that means) etc posting by that Ashcroft mascot Barrybullah Stoller was that he didn't want *others* to be able to read them, of course. Ban-ban-ban! today has become quite a vougue, among certain people (not all that many at that, and they're getting fewer and fewer too, but they're trying to compensate for this by increasing their nastiness a couple of degrees). As advice to him, your point IMO is good too, anyway. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Ca- da número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su disposi- ción, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie IN- FORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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in Afghanistan and with its own air force massively bombed the villages in that country, appearently has already been forgotten. So those Marxists who have likewise forgotten this fact are in good company, one might say. They may not have much chance of actually becoming Najibullahs themselves. But they can com- fort themselves with the fact that their standpoint tallies with that of a not inconsiderable faction within that main reac- tionary power of today, US imperialism. UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / !UNIOS! / FOERENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaflets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befuerwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Zedong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblaetter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir hauptsaechlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veroeffentlicht, sind auf Anfrage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Le'nine et Mao Zedong. Chaque nume'ro # sera envoye' en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Volantes de la se'rie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publie'e par moi, principalement en sue'dois, depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur demande. Partidaria de la li'nea poli'tica de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Cado nu'mero # sera enviado en una o varias lengua(s). Se pueden conseguir a la demanda volantes de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por me principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Foerespraakar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att saendas på ett eller flera spraak. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen paa svenska sedan 1975, kan faas paa begaeran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38 S - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
For Richard R, Barry S etc: On the SU's Afghan war, 1979-89 [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Now that there once more is a big war in Afghanistan, and once more people all over the world rightly are protesting against this atrocity too, there has been something of a discussion on this list about the previous aggression against that country, in 1979-89. It's possible that some list subscribers don't know all that much about this earlier war. Richard Roper and Barry Stoller, for instance, certainly don't know even the most elementary things about it, as can be seen from some recent postings of theirs. So for your benefit, Richard and Barry - and I hope this may interest list subscribers in general - I'm sending again four postings of mine from 1996 which were about that war, among other things reproducing a report on how it was discussed beforehand among the top Soviet social-imperialists leaders at the time: The 4 parts of my UNITE! Info #19en: 1/4 Social- imperialism's Afghan war, originally of 09.10.1996. Coming up now, separately. At least some knowledge of that former war is needed, I hold, if you're to understand properly what's going on in the present one in Afghanistan too. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: 10 years on: Capitalism brings ruin to Russia - no, 40 years [WWW.STOPN
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 11:28 2001-12-09 -0800, Richard Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I don't know why you are a member of this list. It's because I'm against the NATO and its actions, of course. You comment seems strange. It's probably caused by my saying I was and am against the former social- perialism in the Soviet Union and the present-day continued new tsarism in Russia too, together with your actually believing that ridiculous bullshit by the Washington Pest, the NY Slimes, Cee No Nothing, etc etc, that the Soviet Union (from the 60s on, say) represented communism and that what was going on in the world was a struggle between that commu- nism, on the one hand, and the (traditional) im- perialism, as represented by the USA and the NATO, on the other - that if you're not in favour of one of these, then you're for the other. But that was and is a very wrong picture of things, you know. The people in the world had and have very good reason to be strongly against both of these reactionary forces. They should say a plague on both your houses, and that's what most of them are doing too. Those who're not with us [the US imperialists] are with the terrorists, Bush is saying today - all the more ridiculously of course, since they themselves precisely *are* the terrorists too. And there are some other people too who're saying: If you oppose the US war against Afghanista, then you're an adherent of Usama bin Laden. Heard that one, Richard? Well, 20 or so years ago, those same people (or their predecessors) were saying, if you oppose us, then you're with the Soviet Union. Equally ridiculous, of course. Then as now, this was a trick of trying to put people between to fires: cholera or pest - choose what's best. That one always was one quite important strategy of the reactionaries', against ordinary people. As it happens I am not a communist. I never accused you of being one either. Now that Washington Pest etc etc will tell you that communists, that's people who supported that (really arch-reactionary) social-imperialism of the leaders of the Soviet Union, that it was communism that fell in East Europe in 1989-91, etc. Not true, I can inform you. This nonsense is intended to confuse people completely as to what has been, and is, going on in the world too. All actual communists know that what Mao Zedong said, as far back as in 1964, about the Soviet Union is quite true: That the earlier socialism there had been overthrown and replaced by a bourgeois dictatorship of the fascist type, of the Hitler fascist type. The adherents of that regime rightly were and are called revisionists, by the actual Marxists. Well yes, it was Carter and Brisinki who invaded Afganistan in July 1979 - it's just they did it in a Covert Operation - caused five million to flee, devestated large parts of the country, built up a huge para-miltary force etc. etc. This is the fairly standard description of a country subjected to a protracted Covert Intervention. It was the largest operation of the CIA since Vietnam, millions of dollars were spent on it, and unparralleled propaganda operations took place in its support. Now you're being really ridiculous, Richard. You actually believe that it was the CIA etc who *invaded* Afghanistan in 1979, who forced the social-imperialists into sending 100,000+ troops into the country, so that: ¤ 1.5 million Afghans were killed ¤ 5-6 million were forced to leave the country - the biggest refugee cathastrophy in our time - and 1 million more forced to leave their homes, to become refugees in Afghanistan itself ¤ 7000 villages were annihilated and 5000 more seriously damaged ¤ between 10 million (UN estimate) and 60 million (other estimates) mines were laid throughout the country by the invaders ¤ these mines have so far caused 200,000 deaths and 400,000 maimings; they continue today to take a heavy toll and several decades will be required for their removal ¤ large parts of the vital and scarce forests were sys- tematically destroyed by the Soviet forces ¤ the infrastructure and the fields for agriculture were destroyed to a great extent It's true of course that the CIA etc, even before this infamous social- imperialist war of aggression, were doing what they could to penetrate Afghanistan, and that they during that war pursued reactionary interests of their own in their support, or support, of the people's resistance against it. But to blame *this* war on the CIA, that's believing that the US imperialists at the time were all-powerful (another thing those stupid media I mention would want you to believe too, of course) and that those poor and innocent Soviet social-imperialists had no will of their own. I'm certain that if you just reflect a little on this, Richard, you'll see yourself how ridiculous this
UNITE! Info #19en: 2/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #19en: 2/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [Posted: 09.10.96] [Continued from part 1/4] CHAPTER 2: A DISCUSSION AMONG SOVIET LEADERS, 1979 After the breaking up of the Soviet Union in 1991, many earlier confidential Soviet documents were made public, among them some protocols of discussions in the Soviet revisionist party's Po- litbureau. Here I shall quote from some extracts from one such protocol, that of a session lasting three days in March 1979. My source is the issue No. 4/1994 of the Swedish-languague magazine Afghanistan-Nytt, organ of the Swedish Afghanistan Committee, a solidarity organization for supporting the Afghan people's re- sistance against the aggression. (This organization was suppor- ted by a quite large number of people in Sweden, including many who considered themselves left-wing. I joined it in the early 1980s.) What's interesting, among other things, to note here are the terms in which the Soviet social-imperialist chieftains them- selves are describing that possible action in Afghanistan which they were later in fact to undertake. Again, those descriptions of events in that country in 1979-1989, by people calling them- selves Marxists, which I'll quote in Chapter 3 should be com- pared to those judgements on them which appear here, judgements already made in advance, so to speak, by some of the very per- sons responsible. I reproduce in translation from an article in Afghanistan-Nytt No. 4/94 by Stefan Lindgren, who reports on the Soviet protocol [comments within square brackets are by me]: THE HERAT UPRISING In March 1979, almost nine months before the Soviet invasion, considerable disturbances took place in the third-largest city of Afghanistan. On 17 March, the Soviet Politbureau convened for a three days long meeting. During the first two days, Brezhnev was not present. GROMYKO: The situation in Afghanistan has seriously deteriorated. The centre of disturbances is now the city of HeratAs is known from earlier telegrams, the 17th Afghan division is stationed there. It restored order but now seems in practice to have dis- integrated. The artillery regiment and one infantry regiment which were part of that division have gone over to the side of the insurrectionists. According to Gromyko, the uprising was caused by thousands of revolters from Pakistan and Iran who with US help had caused chaos in Herat. Over 1000 people had died in Herat, he reported. The situation had not been adequatly met by the Afghan govern- ment, Gromyko held, and he continued: As a characteristical thing may be noted that at 11 o'clock this morning, I had a conversation with AMIN, who is foreign minister and the deputy of TARAKI, and he expressed no anxiety whatsoever concerning the situation in Afghanistan but spoke with Olympic calm about the situation's not being all that comp- licated (...) Amin even said that the situation in Afghanistan is normal. He said that not one single case of insubordination on the part of the Govenors had been registered. (...) Within about half an hour we got a another message, which said that our comrades, the military Chief Adviser comrade Gorelov and the Charge' d'Affaires comrade Alekseyev had invited comrade Taraki to visit them (...) As far as military assistance was concerned, Taraki said in passing that perhaps help will be needed both on the ground and in the air. This must be under- stood to mean that we are requested to send ground forces as well as aircraft. I hold that we must proceed from the most important fact when helping Afghanistan, and this is, under no circumstances must we lose that country. [A statement which of course was just as candid as, and similar to, for instance the discussion by the US imperialists in the late 1940s and early 1950s on how it came to be that we had lost China, about who was responsible for that, etc etc.] Several other speakers expressed their distrust of the Afghan government and its heavy-handed purges of rivalling Communist [as those people of course would call them] factions. Even at this point in time, there within the Politbureau were put forward various proposals on armed intervention and even on a complete invasion. Defence minister USTINOV briefly reported: Tomorrow, 18 March, operative groups will be sent to Herat's airfield. He at the same time presented two possible lines of action. In the one case, smaller forces would be sent. In the other, the Soviet Union would dispatch two divisions, or about 36,000 men. The proposals were met with some objections. KIRILENKO: The question arises, against whom our Army will wage war if we send them there. Against the insurrectionists, but the insurrec- tionists have been joined by a large number of religious per- sons, Moslems and among them a large number of the common people. In this way we will be forced to a considerable degree to wage war against the people. The following day,
UNITE! Info #19en: 3/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #19en: 3/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [Posted: 09.10.96] [Continued from part 2/4] CHAPTER 3: CERTAIN MARXISTS TODAY ON EVENTS '79-'89 A) *Opposing standpoints* On the recent execution of Najibullah, one of those people in Afghanistan on whose political line even the Soviet revision- ist chieftain Kosygin had earlier commented (see Chapter 2): I cannot understand why this question arises...The question of sending people who would climb into your tanks and shoot on your people. This is a very serious political question., I wrote to the Jefferson Village Virginia Marxism list on 02.10 i.a.: The islamic Talibans who have recently conquered Kabul in Afghanistan, in the unfortunate internal fighting which has followed on the social-imperialists' forced retreat, are a pretty reactionary lot, it seems. But one thing they did well: They hung Nadjibullah, the infamous pro-Soviet Quisling. This stung one other writer to that list into replying on the same day, giving his own version of what had taken place in Af- ghanistan in 1979-1989: I was frankly sickened by Rolf Martens recent post celebrating the execution, by the new Taliban fundamentalist regime in Kabul, of the former Afghan President, Najibullah. I won't comment here on Mr Martens' assessment of the histori- cal viccissitudes of the past 17 years, other than to say that while the Peoples' Democratic Party of Afghanistan [PDPA] made numerous (and highly visible) errors in their twelve years of rule, their sins were and are dwarfed by the actions of their enemies. As far as Mr Martens' reading of the historical record itself is concerned, well, the less said about that the better. The governments of the PDPA, it should be remembered, instituted a system of universal education, literacy, health care, and subsidized housing in nearly all of the 30 provinces of the country. They fashioned a labor law that was the most progressive in Asia, admitting workers from both the public and private sectors to specialized secondary and higher schools regardless of nationality, age, sex or other factors, providing for free child care, and raising wages by an average of 26 per cent (with the lowest paid receiving raises of up to 50 per cent). They subsidized the distribution of petrol, diesel fuel, kerosene, sugar, wheat flour, and firewood and other staples to such an extent that famine in areas under their control was virtually eliminated. But by far the most important reform instituted by the successive PDPA governments involved land reform.In the three major land reform acts (1978, 1981, 1985), the effects were not confined to a redistribution of land in favor of the poorest peasant families. They gave impetus to the growing cooperative movement and freed the peasants from the grip of landowners and usurers. The same acts provided for the mass education of all in the countryside under the slogan Everybody at the school desk, and attempted to put an end to discrimination against ethnic minorities, especially in the areas of culture and language. Opposed to this was the mujadaheen--a cancerous class of parasites, the mullahs, the landowners, the usurers- frenziedly feeding on the largesse of the Saudis, the Iranians, the Pakistanis and, of course, the most loathesome entity of all, the Reagan--Casey CIA.And since this is the Marxism list, let us not fail to acknowledge the SWP, the ISO, and others who, while as notably effective as a wet fart in a monsoon as far as doing anything good, are always willing to jump in at imperialism's behest, increasingly now even before being asked. The back of my hand to all of them. And to you, Mr Martens. Reading this posting, you might think there wasn't any war at all in Afghanistan during that time - no 1.5 million people killed, no 5-6 million refugees, no 7,000 villages completely destroyed by the invader through helicopter gunship bombing, for instance. What that invader's puppet forces did, according to this writer, was in the main to institute a system of universal education, put into effect a labour law, raise wages, subsidize pet- rol etc etc. - all while the foreign ground and air forces they had begged for on their knees to be sent in were ravaging the country. And the most important ting of all they did was a land reform - when in fact what was done to agriculture in Afghanistan during the decade in question was its large-scale destruction, when in fact the whole country was littered with the enormous amount of anything between 10 and 60 million mines, far more than had been used in any country in any of the world wars and an enormous hindrance to the toiling of the land in Afghanistan for many decades to come too. Well, he concedes, those puppet forces made numerous (and highly visible) errors. That's the *sum* of what he has to say
UNITE! Info #19en: 1/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #19en: 1/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [Posted: 09.10.96] Note / Anmerkung / Note / Nota / Anmaerkning: On the UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / !UNIOS! / FOERENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: See information on the last page / Siehe Information auf der letzten Seite / Verrez information a* la dernie*re page / Ver informacio'n en la u'ltima pa'gina / Se information paa sista sidan. INTRO NOTE: Two recent UNITE! Info items, #16en and #17en, of 04.10.96 and 05.10.96 respectively, have been dealing indirectly and in part also directly with the question of the aggression by Soviet so- cial-imperialism (which today no longer is in existence as such) against a third-world country, Afghanistan, in 1979-1989. This item too, and now more or less wholly, will be dedicated to the same theme. Why? Why do I hold this question to be such a rela- tively important one? The social-imperialists' overt aggression in Afghanistan in '79- '89 today is already history. But it's still something which shows up with quite extraordinary clarity the sharp difference between Marxism, on the one hand, and revisionism, on the other. And the phenomenon of revisionism, that's one of the most impor- tant political phenomena of all in our century. What is revisionism? It's Marxism, socialism, proletarian poli- tics in *words* but bourgeois politics, even imperialism, in *deeds*. A discussion on this phenomenon and its root causes follows in one of the chapters below. The openly bourgeois media, in the Western countries, for in- stance, of course never use the word revisionism, at least not in this important political sense. To them, everybody *is* a Communist who has proclaimed him/her/self to be one, and the same goes for parties - indeed, such revisionist parties as no longer even find it tactically wise even to try to pose as Communist still continue to be called so by the openly bour- geois media. This of course is done in order to make it more difficult for the masses of people to distinguish between actual Communism on the one hand and revisionism on the other, and to disredit the very idea of Communism. For Marxists, naturally it's vital to draw a sharp dividing line between the genuine and the faked (notwithstanding the fact that it sometimes may be difficult to see which is which) and to enlighten everybody on this. An infamous example of a state ruled by revisionists is the Chi- na of today, which, as all (who know some elementary facts of history) can see, is completely different from the earlier, so- cialist China which was guided by Mao Zedong's genuinely Marxist political line. An even more infamous example of such a state was the Soviet Union of yesterday (from approximately the mid- 50:s until 1991). The aggression of that state against Afghanistan exposed to the whole world, even more clearly than its earlier crimes, the true character of it, and importantly contributed to its eventual downfall. Just as the US war of aggression in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the late '60:s and early '70:s very clearly and to the whole world exposed the true character of US imperialism, and that of its hackneyed supporters too, so did the Afghan war of the So- viet Union expose the true character of *that* state and of *its* hackneyed supporters. This was so, despite the fact that in both of those cases of superpower aggression there was a certain amount of meddling on the part of the other superpower too, which tried to further its own interests under the guise of supporting the resistance of the respective country against the invader and his puppets. After the invading Soviet troops were forced to leave Afghani- stan, in 1989, internal strife has continued in that country, undoubtedly to a great extent caused and aggravated by continued interference by both superpowers. One of the warring factions, the Taleban, recently conquered the capital and i.a. executed one of the earlier leaders of the Soviet social-imperialists' puppet regime in the country, Najibullah. This occasioned a heated exchange among some people who all are calling themselves Marxists. I on my part expressed, on the Jefferson Village Virginia Marx- ism list, my opinion that this at least was a just action on the part of the Taleban. Some others protested against this, and in quite violent terms too. They made clear their staunch support for the earlier actions undertaken by the Soviet Union in Af- ghanistan and for those of its puppet regime. How could someone who *opposed* these very benficial and civilizing deeds even be allowed on a Marxism list at all, how could he indeed be con- sidered a civilized person? In this direction went one trend of thought. This discussion, or whatever you might call it, is the immediate reason why I've now dedicated some Info items to the question of events in Afghanistan 1979-1989. The present one contains the following more or less brief
Re: For Richard R, Barry S etc: On the SU's Afghan war, 1979-89 [WWW.STOPNATO.OR
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 05:20 2001-12-10 -0500, comrade mart, Canada, [EMAIL PROTECTED], alias Thomas P. Murray, USA, (only one of some 30 Murray cyber ghosts so far) wrote: Rolf, you are one of the biggest ad most persistent TROLLS on the the internet. *Nobody* gives a damn what you wrote in 1996...or at any other time, before or since, for that matter. You are a legend in your own mind and the sooner you are banned from this list, (like you have been banned from PTTP and other lists) the better. mart Well, Thomas, you certainly are doing your best to give a name to what I've called social-imperialism, social-fascism and Quisling 'Marxism'. Confronted with what I'm pointing out (again), all you can say is ban-ban-ban! in true Brezhnev or - more pertinently today - Ashcroft style. Really a good visual demonstration, Murray-mart! Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: UNITE! Info #19en: 1/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 07:27 2001-12-10 -0800, Richard Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote You are spouting absolute nonsense, and indeed attempting to justify and support US. agressesion, as well as supporting Imperialism. The Russians did not Invade them on 7/12/79, in spite of what Jimmy Human Rights Carter said at the time since a major Covert Operation had started, under Carter's signature on 3/7/79. Quite clearly the government of that country was entitled to ask for assistance, as did Nicaragua, Angola, Mozambique etc. etc. Yes, of course, ASSISTANCE it was! An ASSISTANCE which meant that (as I repeat): ¤ 1.5 million Afghans were killed ¤ 5-6 million were forced to leave the country - the biggest refugee catastrophy in our time - and 1 million more forced to leave their homes, to become refugees in Afghanistan itself ¤ 7000 villages were annihilated and 5000 more seriously damaged ¤ between 10 million (UN estimate) and 60 million (other estimates) mines were laid throughout the country by the invaders ¤ these mines have so far caused 200,000 deaths and 400,000 maimings; they continue today to take a heavy toll and several decades will be required for their removal ¤ large parts of the vital and scarce forests were sys- tematically destroyed by the Soviet forces ¤ the infrastructure and the fields for agriculture were destroyed to a great extent What nice people it is who *support* this! What nice people it is who say that *opposing* this means supporting aggression by that other gangster, US imperialism! As I wrote back in 1996 too: [RM:] One of the warring factions, the Taleban, recently conquered the capital and i.a. executed one of the earlier leaders of the Soviet social-imperialists' puppet regime in the country, Najibullah. This occasioned a heated exchange among some people who all are calling themselves Marxists. I on my part expressed, on the Jefferson Village Virginia Marx- ism list, my opinion that this at least was a just action on the part of the Taleban Let's hope that the present-day Najibullahs, whether they are quislings of the Russian new tsarists or of the US imperialists (or of both), will meet with the same fate, and not only those in Afghanistan either. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: UNITE! Info #19en: 3/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 07:36 2001-12-10 -0800, Richard Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kindly do not clutter up this antinato list with your cant and hypocrisy. Yes, Richard, now you're talking! Now you're showing up, just like that colleague of yours, Thomas mart P. Murray (see other posting!), your true colours, in that oh-so-well-known fashion of the Brezhnevs, the Ashcrofts etc: ban-ban-ban!; we have no arguments against what you're saying anymore than an attempt to shut you up!. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Rolf - Barry shows his (Brezhnev/Aschroft type) hand too! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 14:23 2001-12-10 -0500, Barry Stoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's a show of hands, mine goes for getting rid of Rolf with his interminable and ill-titled 'Unite' spam, his churlish 'debates' and his unceasing sectarianism. Yes of course, Barry, what else was to be expected from you too - when you've run out of arguments totally and are standing there with your arch-reactionary political line quite bare-assed - than ban-ban-ban!? For this very typically Brezhnev/Ashcroft political line, - just make those who're exposing us shut up! - those other staunch Leftists Richard Najibullah-1 Roper and Thomas P. mart Najibullah-2 Murrey already have raised *their* hands. Only you were - so far - missing. But here you are too, Barry Najibullah-3 Stoller! Pretty educating, I at least hope all this is, to all other list subscribers, concerning one phenomenon that all genuine leftists and NATO opponents are up against too! Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: UNITE! Info #19en: 1/4 Social-imperialism's Afghan war [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 10:57 2001-12-10 -0500, mart [EMAIL PROTECTED] , alias Thomas P. Murrey, wrote: Hi Richard, I know this Rolf guy. He is a professional TROLL and this is his stock and trade - making ridiculous statement and then getting people to respond to him. It doesn't matter what you say to this guy or how many ways you prove him wrong. He has tried to wreck several other e-groups with this tactic and was eventually, thrown off them and banned. Unfortunately, not before he literally drove away much of the membership with his endless rants and tirade that escalated to him making personal threats and publishing ridiculous statements and personal information about other group members. His goal is to clog up the lists with posts by and about him. Apparently, he has now targeted this list. I suggest the best tactic would be to ignore him and not respond to his statements. You can't win with this guy and it only feeds his warped ego and his need to feel important. mart What, Thomas P. mart Najibullah-2 Murray? No ban-ban-ban! any more, as in your first reply?? Now that you're even already getting support for this from Barry Najibullah-3 Stoller too?? You don't think that this quite openly-Brezhnev/Ashcroft-type shut'em up! line will work, after all? That it's too revealing, concerning you and your phonyleftist ilk? Well, that's somewhat s-mart of you anyway, miserable Murray-Burray- Najibullah. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 14:32 2001-12-10 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope that the present-day Najibullahs, whether they are quislings of the Russian new tsarists or of the US imperialists (or of both), will meet with the same fate, and not only those in Afghanistan either. Rolf M. I believe that this form of justice was invented in the wild west... Well, yes, I see what you mean. That crook Najibullah didn't get a proper trial. I hold that killing him just like that was a good thing anyway - the facts in that case were very clear to all. Proper trials *are* better of course. This is my opinion too. My infamous ex-countryman Vidkun Quisling, for instance, that original colleague of Najibullah, did get one, back in 1945-46, and was duly hung, according to all rules and proper procedures. Some more of those people really should have been too. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: 10 years on: Capitalism brings ruin to Russia - no, 40 years [WWW.STOPNAT
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 03:27 2001-12-08 -0800, Richard Roper wrote: --- It's of crucial importance at this time to realise what happened in Afghanistan for obvious reasons. I am amazed by this type of comment on this site. Jimmy Carter signed for large scale Covert Operations against Afghanistan on 3rd July 1979, six months before the intervention. This is all from the horse's mouth - Zbigniew Brisinski - who also wrote Carter a note on the same day saying it would produce Soviet inteventionism. We should also be aware of Krushchev's - essentially he was trying to do a deal economically with America - but this is far being socio-imperialism. So of course it was *Carter and Brezinski* (US) who invaded Afghanistan in 1979, eventually had 100,000+ troops there, devastated large parts of the country, forced some 5 millions to flee, etc, etc, and not the Soviet social-imperialists! Their scumbag oh-so-communist friends, who kept applauding this brotherly help had nothing to do with this either, huh? Not one bit better than the US (traditionally-)imperialist murderers are those people; this it's imperative that everyone sees today too. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: 10 years on: Capitalism brings ruin to Russia - no, 40 [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 11:55 2001-12-08 -0500, Barry Stoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rolf M.: Your subject line should have been 40 years on..., Barry! The former socialism in the Soviet Union was not overthrown in 1991, of course, but in the late 50s / early 60s, and social-imperialism, one kind of that impossible capitalism too, established there... According to you, 'real' Soviet socialism ended sometime around 1953 No, some 3-10 years later than that. According to the Trots, 'real' Soviet socialism ended sometime around 1924. And according to the Menshviks, there wasn't even any 'real' Soviet socialism. All you three sectarian groups do is play the utopian nihilism game with minor variations. It's boring. To those who don't care about such things as facts - or, to be more precise, to those who feel uncomfy about the facts because of their long-time support of an arch-reactionary power - yes, of course it's boring. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: 10 years on: Capitalism brings ruin to Russia - no, 40 years [WWW.STOPNATO
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 06:58 2001-12-06 -0500, Barry Stoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFP. 5 December 2001. Russia's dashed hopes. MOSCOW -- At a glance Russia has made remarkable progress in the 10 years since the Soviet Union officially ceased to exist... Your subject line should have been 40 years on..., Barry! The former socialism in the Soviet Union was not overthrown in 1991, of course, but in the late 50s / early 60s, and social-imperialism, one kind of that impossible capitalism too, established there. This it's important to see, in order fully to understand the causes of the present disaster. One of them was that typically imperialist war against Afghanistan, for instance, 1979-1989. One very good article on that overthrow is the Chinese one from 1964: On Khrushchov's Phoney Communism and Its Historical Lessons for the World. It can be found on David Romagnolo's excellent site Marx to Mao at www.marx2mao.org. Also for other reasons it's important today to see the difference between actual and phony socialism. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: UNITE! Info #158en: Kama Ado - US: nothing happened [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- At 15:27 2001-12-06 +, STEVE KACZYNSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that this war has seen the US establishment and its allies engage in systematic lying and the concealment of information and events, though with so much at stake ruling classes do not act like truth-telling boy scouts anyway. In earlier posts I overstated the Taliban's powers of resistance. Unfortunately, I think the US etc. authorities will begin attacking other countries, thinking that they had a relatively easy ride in Afghanistan. I believe the next target is Iraq, which indeed has never stopped being attacked. The signals that Iraq is next up for assault are very strong. Other countries like Britain and Turkey are being pulled into line for just such an attack. Steve K. Yes, you're right, Steve. I on my part am guessing, though, that the US authorities will not dare an all-out war against Iraq soon. The British ones for instance seem to be rather much against it, and some influential US circles too. The international resistance by the people against the Afghanistan war has had some effect, I think. One should of course be prepared against all possible new atrocities anyway. And that war which still is going on against Iraq - constant air attacks, the murderous economic blockade - is outrageous enough. As we probably all agree, it must be strongly protested against and brought to an end too. Rolf M. ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #158en: Kama Ado - US: nothing happened [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
for years against the Soviet Union, but I've never seen him look so vulnerable. I sent them there myself yester- day,'' was all he could say. I sent them for security.'' But the commander provided us with mujahedin escorts of our own, and we set off down the road to Landi Khiel. We found the ruins of the office where the first lot of soldiers had died, and the guesthouse where they perished the previous morning. And there, in the ruins of a family house, was a small frag- ment of nothing. It was the tail-end of a compact bomb. It bore the words Surface Attack Guided Missile AGM 114, and a serial number: 232687. It was half-buried in the remains of the straw roof of a house where three men had died: Fazil Karim, his brother Mahmor Ghulab, and his nephew Hasiz Ullah. They were a family, just ordinary people, said Haji Mohammed Nazir, the local elder who was accompanying us. They were not terrorists - the terrorists are in the mountains, over there. So we drove on in the direction of the White Mountains, where hundreds of al-Qa'ida members, and perhaps even Osama bin Laden himself, are hiding in the Tora Bora cave complex. A B-52 was high in the sky; a billow of black smoke was visible, blooming out of the valley. Something, surely, was happening over there. And then we reached the ruins of Kama Ado. Among the pathetic remains I found only one sinister object an old leather gun holster with an ammunition belt. It is conceivable that a handful of al-Qa'ida members had been spending the night there, and that US targeters learnt of their presence. But after 22 years of war, almost every Afghan home contains some military relic, and the villagers swore they hadn't seen Arab or Taliban fighters for a fortnight. Certainly there could not have been enough terrorists to fill the 40 fresh graves. One person told me a few holes contained not intact people, but simply body parts. We had been warned that white faces would meet an angry re- ception in the village where nothing happened, but I encoun- tered despair and bafflement. I had only one moment of real fear, when an American B-52 flew overhead. We halted our con- voy, clambered out of the cars and trotted into the fields on either side. The plane did a slow circle; I was conscious of electronic eyes looking down on us, the only traffic on the road. Then, to everyone's relief, the bomber veered away. Before we left the city, an American colleague in Jalalabad telephoned the Pentagon and informed them of our plans to travel to the village where nothing happened. I can't help wondering, in these looking-glass times, what that B-52 would have done to our convoy if that telephone call had not been made. Perhaps nothing would have happened to me too. © 2001 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd [END OF QUOTE] UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaflets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Zedong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir haupt- sächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf An- frage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Vo- lantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi principale- ment en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur demande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Ca- da número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su disposi- ción, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie IN- FORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
NEWS ON CONGO 039: President Kabila's UN speech [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
undertaken by the Congolese re- bels, at the instigation of Rwanda and in violation of the Lu- saka Accord, of the DDRRR plan and of all the pertinent reso- lutions of the Security Council. This resolution I am welcoming also since it notably envisages the deployment of Phase III of the MONUC, the demilitarisation of the city of Kisangani, the neutrality of the city of Kindu and the reconstruction of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Mr President, In this statement of mine I have condemned those ignoble acts which have been perpetrated against the people of the United States of America and the people in the whole world. I have pointed to the catastrophic situation in my country due to the war of aggression since three years back. I have noted significant progress of the peace process in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which unfortunately risks being compromised on account of the bad faith of Rwanda and its Con- golese accomplices of the rebellion. I have underlined how indispensible is help by the internatio- nal community for a successful outcome of this process and the start of reconstruction of the Democratic Republic of Congo. The Congolese people who has suffered so much only asks one thing of the UN and of the international community: That jus- tice be done, for the weak as well as for the strong, for the rich and for the poor. Mr President, your Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, I thank you. ___ NEWS ON CONGO postings bring statements by the Congo National Association in Sweden and the DR Congo Committee in Sweden and also reproduce information and analysis from other sources. [This endnote is being updated continually, in order to show readers where at the time they can best get information. Last update of this note: 07.12.2001.] Some websites with information in English and/or in French on the DR Congo: Official site of the DR Congo: http://www.rd-congo.com/ Site of the DR Congo's Permanent Mission at the UN: http://www.un.int/drcongo/ (With much information, i.a. continually updated news in French and English; NB new address this year) Kinshasa newspaper l'Avenir: http://www.groupelavenir.com Great Lakes Press: http://pages.infinit.net/glp/index.htm Congo 2000: www.congo2000.com Two Belgium-based sites support the struggle of the DR Congo: www.lai-aib.org/index_fr.htm and www.ptb.be/Solidaire.htm Two other Belgium-based sites: ATMA: www.atma.net and Congon- line: www.congonline.com (the last only for subscribers). An English-language website managed by Richard Alcorn, USA, with i.a. much material from August 1998 on from us supporters of the DR Congo in Sweden: www.crocker.com/~acacia/congo.html (This site has no more recent material; last updated Nov 1998) AllAfrica.com: http://allafrica.com/congo_kinshasa/ (Replaces an earlier site, Africanews) Marekinc: http://www.marekinc.com (Managed by Ed Marek, formerly of the US Air Force. Often ap- parently well-informed and, of late, containing considerable criticism of the official US position on the aggression. Its informations should be treated with great caution anyway, ex- perience shows.) Rebel aggressor puppets, a site based in South Africa: www.congo.co.za Three discussions sites of interest: www.egroups.com/list/congokin_opinions (Belgium-based. E-group discussions are in French and English. For participation, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or congokin_ [EMAIL PROTECTED].) www.egroups.com/list/cdf (Congo Defence Fund) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CONGOTRIBUNE/ (New, founded 09.11.2001) Some contact addresses: Congo National Association Box 5343 SE - 102 45 Stockholm Sweden Tel:+46 - 8 - 471 96 26 (chairman) +46 - 8 - 84 57 18 (facility) Fax:+46 - 8 - 751 26 06 DR Congo Committee (Chairman: Bony Ndjov-a-Shamalo) c/o Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe Sweden Tel: +46 - 40 - 12 48 32 E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #157en: 1/2 The Afghanistan war success [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- UNITE! Info #157en: 1/2 The Afghanistan war success [Posted: 29.11.01] Note / Anmerkung / Note / Nota / Anmärkning: On the UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: See information on the last page / Siehe Information auf der letzten Seite / Verrez information à la dernière page / Ver información en la última página / Se information på sista sidan 1. ONCE MORE, A DECLARATION SHOWING THE REAL MAIN AIM BEHIND THE BOMBING OF AFGHANISTAN AND ALSO BEHIND THE 11.09 ATROCITIES IN THE USA Last Monday, 26.11, US president Bush made a public statement concerning the aims of the US imperialists, who now are clai- ming that their massive bombing of poor and distant Afghanistan during more than a month has brought a success which should be applauded at least by the people in the rich countries. According to press reports, Bush said that the war in Afgha- nistan was only the beginning of the war against(!) terro- rism. He in the same breath added war threats against two other, likewise poor and distant, countries, Iraq in the Middle East and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK or North Korea) in East Asia. He warned those two smaller countries that there would be consequences(!) [for them] for producing weapons of mass destruction(!). There apparently was no attempt in that speech of the US presi- dent's at justifying these war threats by a belief that the governments of those countries, or forces harboured by them, were somehow responsible, wholly or in part, for those infamous attacks which killed some 4,000 people, quite in the main innocent civilians, in the USA on 11 September. Such an attempt would have been ridiculous too, in the present situation. As everybody can see, nothwithstanding those nega- tive traits which the regimes of both Iraq and the DPRK do have - the latter of course not a socialist one but one of a particular revisionist type, though it on some points rightly opposes imperialism in the world - none of those regimes could reasonably have found it to be in its interest to organize or support such terror attacks in the USA as those of 11.09. And above all of course, neither Iraq nor North Korea have anything even nearly like those resources which were needed for that very sophisticated atrocious operation of simul- taneously hijacking four large passenger aircraft in the USA and flying three of them smack into the WTC towers and the Pentagon, all within less than two hours. The same goes for those other distant and extremely poor coun- tries which have recently been mentioned too by US or other imperialist representatives as possible targets for mass de- struction - Sudan, Yemen, Somalia - and for any forces har- boured by them. Neither could Afghanistan under that reactionary and oppressive Taliban regime which today is being replaced by another and no less reactionary (respectively, by conditions of warlordism and banditry), or the so-called al Qaeda network in that coun- try, possibly have organized those attacks. This pretext for the continued atrocity of bombing the cities of Afghanistan is a ludicrous one indeed, so ludicrous that it in part has been replaced by another one, that of the US and other imperia- lists' wanting to end(!) the oppression in Afghanistan and to develop(!) that country. As if what they have always been doing, all over the world, is not precisely the opposite, and today precisely more and more so. Who did have the technical and logistic resources necessary for the terror attacks in New York and Washington on 11.09? Who did have a very strong motive for such an atrocity against the people in the USA, and indirectly against the people in all other countries too, in the situation in the world at the time? None other than the US imperialists themselves, respectively, some faction or other within that ruling group of people in the USA, at any rate persons with influence and contacts at a very high level indeed within the present US administration. This obvious fact - of course - is being denigrated completely by all the reactionary international mass media, whose repor- ting on the most vital subjects in many different fields has steadily become more and more completely divorced from reali- ty, not just since a couple of months back but since many years back. This they are not breathing one word about. It's necessary to point out, and to repeat, who - approximate- ly who - very obviously did organize the 11 September atroci- ties, and why. If you don't see this, you cannot understand even approximately what is really going on today, concerning Afghanistan and in the whole world too. To make out more precisely what, very established, forces in the USA were behind the 11.09 co-ordinated attacks is diffi- cult of course and will continue to be so, on account of the massive smokescreens. Some of those rather few Internet
UNITE! Info #157en: 2/2 The Afghanistan war success [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi principale- ment en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur demande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Ca- da número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su disposi- ción, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie IN- FORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #154en: A strange accident in France [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
in some earlier items, in English, German respectively Swedish, of this series. For a more comprehensive and detailed treatment of this subject (as far as possible, based on the in- formation available to me), I refer present readers to this planned later item. One relatively smaller thing at least is worth mentioning in this connection, in my judgement: On Saturday, a depot of some 5,000 tons of automobile tires in the harbour of Malmoe, Swe- den, from which this Info is being posted, caught fire due to a so far unknown cause; it still is burning despite the ef- forts of some 70 firefighters, with a big pall of smoke for the time being blowing out towards the sea. Two persons are reported to have been slightly injured by this fire. Some events in the past which there have been reasons to sus- pect were sabotages by big-time reactionaries in fact have appeared to have quite small, though consistent, forces of opposition to those reactionaries as their indirect targets. There is a possibility, in my opinion, that this event here in Malmoe was caused by a displeasure on the part of some such reactionaries with, for instance, the latest Info in this se- ries, which opposed the mendacious propaganda in connection with the reactionary atrocities in the USA on 11.09: 'UNITE! Info #153en: The people is target; an inside job', of 20.09. It's also possible of course that this fire was accidential, or else due to some crime or other not connected with poli- tics, and that its point in time was a coincidence. UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaflets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Zedong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir haupt- sächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf An- frage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Vo- lantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi principale- ment en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur demande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Ca- da número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su disposi- ción, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie IN- FORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
UNITE! Info #153en: People is target; an inside job [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
foisted upon a gullible US public to push them into supporting the war against Vietnam. Bamford begins Chapter Four of his book by describing the bi- zarre cold-war atmosphere in the US in 1960, with the witch- hunts of McCarthyism a recent event, and US military leadership full of paranoid arch-reactionary attitudes. .. According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anticommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into suppor- ting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba. Codenamed Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hi- jacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Cas- tro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war. [END OF QUOTE] That particularly corrupt plan in the end was not carried out. Among similar plans that - most probably - was, the hos- tage-taking incident at the Japanese embassy in Lima, Peru, between December 1996 and April 1997 is worth mentioning. In Peru, a people's war against the reactionary government of Fujimori had been going on since 1980, led by the PCP, a party of genuinely revolutionary character, as far as can be ascer- tained, though also with serious faults in its line. In a much- publicized action, a so-called competing guerilla organiza- tion the MRTA, rather clearly a puppet of US imperialism, attacked the Japanese embassy in Lima in December 1996 on the occasion of a gathering of many ambassadors, and took everyone present hostage; the US ambassador to Peru happened to have left the building half an hour before. Eventually the embassy was stormed in April 1997 by the forces of Fujimori, who kil- led several of the hostage-takers. Several things pointed to this being a PsyOp of the US impe- rialists: Their obvious interest in combating the actual peop- le's war and creating a false impression concerning it, their likewise obvious concern about the considerable influence of the Japanese bourgeoisie in Peru and some other South American countries at the time and their dissatisfaction (already) then with their muppet at that time in Peru, Fujimori, who was eventually replaced some years later. In connection with the recent events, this mode of operation of some forces within US imperialism (as it most likely was) not so long ago also merits attention. UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / ¡UNIOS! / FÖRENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaflets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Befürwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Zedong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugblätter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir haupt- sächlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 veröffentlicht, sind auf An- frage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, Lénine et Mao Zedong. Chaque numéro # sera envoyé en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Vo- lantes de la série INFORMATIONSBLAD, publiée par moi principale- ment en suédois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur demande. Partidaria de la línea política de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Ca- da número # se envía en uno o más idiomas. Están a su disposi- ción, bajo petición previa, distintos folletos de la serie IN- FORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por mi principalmente en sueco desde 1975. Förespråkar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att sändas på ett eller flera språk. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen på svenska sedan 1975, kan fås på begäran. Postal address: Rolf Martens Nobelvaegen 38U4 SE - 214 33 Malmoe SWEDEN Tel: +46 - 40 - 124832 E-mail (main, since Oct 1995:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reserve, since Oct 2000:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
