Re: Which version of CF should I download?
In your situation what would be cool is how simple this situation would become. Lets say you move site A to cfmx7 and you find a common piece of your coding that breaks and you fix it, if you were on OSX you could open up spotlight and put in a piece of that code and it would show you every single place that that code is and you could open them up right there and replace it and it would certainly get you through that much faster!. Ummm Dave...it's called global find and replacekind of an old feature ;-) Of course perhaps I missed something in the above?? The automator sounds cool though (although part of that is built-in to Photoshop...batch processing). Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244109 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Apache is a webserver; Tomcat is a servlet container, while JRun, JBoss and others are J2EE servers - this means that Tomcat does a subset of the features of the others. None of this matters as the only part of Flex 2.0 you can't use without a J2EE server is Flex Data Services. Apache will serve your Flex apps fine, if you don't use FDS. If you want to install CF for production on any J2EE server or on Tomcat, you will need CF Enterprise. On 6/18/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...Apache won't run any Flex apps? If so, that's not good. I want a server that will keep all my options open... -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? If you plan on doing any flex stuff (which hopefully u will) then you can also look at tomcat server, since its a j2ee server it will run cfm and flex. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244048 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dell xps's are ok but not for 4-5k yeah price is a bummer but this has to be the sickest laptop I've ever seen. http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=uscs=19l=ens=dhs ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244053 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Don't think I'll be getting CF Enterprise anytime soon...$1300 is enough... Rick -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Apache is a webserver; Tomcat is a servlet container, while JRun, JBoss and others are J2EE servers - this means that Tomcat does a subset of the features of the others. None of this matters as the only part of Flex 2.0 you can't use without a J2EE server is Flex Data Services. Apache will serve your Flex apps fine, if you don't use FDS. If you want to install CF for production on any J2EE server or on Tomcat, you will need CF Enterprise. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244065 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
If you want to tote around an 18 pound laptop, thats more of a portable computer slick yeah but can u see trying to use that on a plane in peasant class? I could see it good for lan parties but not really for someone who really needs a portable laptop. And the bad part is that it still is a dell, full of kmart quality components. I have seen KT from I can.d drop her 17 powerbook more times than i can remember to the floor, so much that I bought her a heavily padded sleeve for it and the damn thing wont break, can u imagine if you dropped that thing? Be like dropping an egg of off a building. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? On 6/17/06, dave wrote: dell xps's are ok but not for 4-5k yeah price is a bummer but this has to be the sickest laptop I've ever seen. http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=uscs=19l=ens=dhs ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244074 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Even if you are talking laptop, the barebones/build-it-yourself laptop field is taking off. Intel is driving this with the new platforms. On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm talking about desktops...aren't we talking about servers? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? buy computers No way...build your own... Laptop? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243915 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it. -- Casey Dougall Web Applications Developer Ph: 518 743-9424 Fax: 743-0337 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mannix Marketing Inc. 33 Park St. Third Floor, Glens Falls, New York 12801 Marketing to New York State Destinations? We offer quality Travel Industry Directories, Including www.Albany.com, www.LakeGeorge.com www.Saratoga.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243919 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Those do sound like really useful tools. I do my batch photo processing through Photoshop's Batch processing function. It does save a *ton* of time on those tedious photo processing chores. I've heard about Spotlight...sounds similar to Google Desktop Search or MS's recent desktop search tool. I've had a friend who Media Production Manager for an International Corporation who uses both Windows and Macs for video production and he's been trying to convince me to go Apple for years...so I'm used to the Mac vs. Windows debate...we have a lot of fun with it... Thanks for the info! :o) Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? well it would at least just work :) Mac's just come with so much cool stuff, the possiblities are really endless to what you can do and how it improves your work flow. In your situation what would be cool is how simple this situation would become. Lets say you move site A to cfmx7 and you find a common piece of your coding that breaks and you fix it, if you were on OSX you could open up spotlight and put in a piece of that code and it would show you every single place that that code is and you could open them up right there and replace it and it would certainly get you through that much faster!. For example the other day i wanted an easy way to batch photos for the myalix site. OSX has a deal called automator (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/), in about 45 seconds I built an automator that sits on my desktop and what I do is take a folder of pix, usually about 90-400 a set and drop it on the icon and the automator opens up photoshop and resizes them and watermarks them and spits them into a temp folder and when thats done it opens up fireworks and optimizes them (since fw is WAY better at compression than ps) and spits them back out into a folder on my desktop and they are all done ready to go. Takes about 4 minutes with 200 photos, I was spending about 5-7 hours doing it by hand before. Well i better stop there b4 the vermin start spitting ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I hear ya...I just downloaded Apache, CFMX7, DW8, and Fireworks and will probably install it all tomorrow...then the fun will really begin! :o) And if I were just installing it on a Mac, I would be in tech nirvana, huh? Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Then u'd be the Mack Daddy!!! That might be too much cool new technology too handle at one time :) ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Now, Dave...it *might* be for me...maybe I was planning to run out and buy a Mac to run everything on... :o) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243921 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'll be glad when build-it-yourself laptops become common. I have always avoided laptops until recently because I couldn't replace part easily or service them myself... Rick -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Even if you are talking laptop, the barebones/build-it-yourself laptop field is taking off. Intel is driving this with the new platforms. On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm talking about desktops...aren't we talking about servers? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? buy computers No way...build your own... Laptop? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243929 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Rick I wrote a guide ages ago how to run Apache with virtual hosts (I was running PHP, CF5 and CFMX 6 at the time), I hope this helps: http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2004/6/7/Apache-Virtual-Hosts-PHP-CF5-and-CFMX-part-1 Regards -- Mark Drew http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243937 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Thanks a lot, Mark! I'll definitely have a look at it...and *everything* helps! On a side note...seems to me like we need a central repository for all the assets that people are creating for CF and complimentary technologies such as Apache, that would allow the creators to submit a link, not the actual work, but just a link and description of the asset. Sort of a clearinghouse for all things CF-related. Is there a resource center for CF such as this that I've missed? Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Rick I wrote a guide ages ago how to run Apache with virtual hosts (I was running PHP, CF5 and CFMX 6 at the time), I hope this helps: http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2004/6/7/Apache-Virtual-Hosts-PHP-C F5-and-CFMX-part-1 Regards -- Mark Drew http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243941 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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This list? ;) MD On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot, Mark! I'll definitely have a look at it...and *everything* helps! On a side note...seems to me like we need a central repository for all the assets that people are creating for CF and complimentary technologies such as Apache, that would allow the creators to submit a link, not the actual work, but just a link and description of the asset. Sort of a clearinghouse for all things CF-related. Is there a resource center for CF such as this that I've missed? Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Rick I wrote a guide ages ago how to run Apache with virtual hosts (I was running PHP, CF5 and CFMX 6 at the time), I hope this helps: http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2004/6/7/Apache-Virtual-Hosts-PHP-C F5-and-CFMX-part-1 Regards -- Mark Drew http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243947 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well, this list will always be the most valuable resource for getting up-to-the-minute solutions and answers, but it's not always the best resource for exhaustive information on a topic. I'm seeing a trend toward the use of this list as a springboard to other resources where extensive information can be found, such as blogs and documents, etc. I've tried searching the archives, but that usually is not as fruitful as I would hope. Maybe as a project for learning CF7, I'll build a clearinghouse site, that will just contain links to sites, documents, blogs, etc, that can be drilled into on anything that has to do with CF or related technologies. It may already be done, but, hey, I've got to build *something* while learning CF7... Just some thoughts... Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? This list? ;) MD On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot, Mark! I'll definitely have a look at it...and *everything* helps! On a side note...seems to me like we need a central repository for all the assets that people are creating for CF and complimentary technologies such as Apache, that would allow the creators to submit a link, not the actual work, but just a link and description of the asset. Sort of a clearinghouse for all things CF-related. Is there a resource center for CF such as this that I've missed? Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Rick I wrote a guide ages ago how to run Apache with virtual hosts (I was running PHP, CF5 and CFMX 6 at the time), I hope this helps: http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2004/6/7/Apache-Virtual-Hosts -PHP-C F5-and-CFMX-part-1 Regards -- Mark Drew http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243950 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Well.before I got through three screens of the Apache installation, I don't know what to put in the fields. Network Domain: I have a domain for my webserver, but I figure this out to be localhost or 127.0.0.1 since it's for local use only..? Server Name: The name of the notebook computer or localhost? Administrator's Email Address: (No not really.I know this one! :oP ) Rick From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Yes you dont have to have the whole thing.That ACME guide was originally set up to show new developers how they could have a very sophisticated and rock-solid development environment for free. For the vast majority of developers it provides everything they'll ever need to develop full-blown applications without costing a cent for dev software. If you dont need the eclipse, dont use it. (I dont) and if you have MySQL already.. you dont need that part either.Just go down as far as the AC and you're done. For me the hardest part was figuring out the Apache configuration becuase i think their documentation is less than ideal. I think you might get the same issues. When you get to that point, where you're waning to set up sites on your machine, look for me on MSN and i'll help you through it. Maybe even send you mine. I wont send you mine now, becaue it'll probably confuse more than educate if you're not up to that point. Cheers MIke On 6/18/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'Day Mike. (probably evening down under). Concerning ACME.I don't have any plans at this point to use CFEclipse, so before I get very deeply into the ACME approach, a question.can I basically disregard the CFEclipse part of the document and rely on it for installing Apache, CF7, and MySQL? Rick From: Mike Kear [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? No problem. My situation is a lot like yours - i'm running a oneman shop. I dont have time to stuff about with things that arent going to have any relevance for my business so i dont play with things just because they're new. I'll be on line tomorrow too. If you see me on msn feel free to give me a yell. I've been where you are (although i didnt leave the update quite as long as you!) See ya tomorrow. Cheers MIke On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mike. I finally got it to download to my laptop. Couldn't get anything but the corruption error on my workstation.strange. But I've had that happen on other files.the first second after the download starts, an error like that comes up. Usually, however, I can just overwrite the file, but not this time.I've got it anyway. It's late here, 10:15 pm, so I'll wait to start installing Apache, CFMX7, DW8, and Fireworks tomorrow. I'm going to have a look at all of it. Hope you have a good day.I guess you day's just starting down under? I appreciate all your help.I'm sure I'll need more! :o) G'Day Mate, Rick From: Mike Kear [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? G'day Rick Glad you're going to give that a try.Frankly all this debate back and forth about one server over another and whether you want to have multiple jruns or not is just confusing when you're getting started. It is relevant, but not in your case just yet. you should worry about all that stuff when you're ready to set upa production server. Frankly I've been using ColdFusion for 10 years now, and CFMX7 since release day, and never had to set up a production server. I use Apache (which I was reluctant to do for ages because I took a look at the config files and freaked out) and it's the best thing i've done for ages. Apache adn CFMX7 is brilliant. I'm on MSN for the next 8 hours at least if you want to chat there - [EMAIL PROTECTED] and i've got skype going too if you want to chat there - MikeKear Oh and your question about ACME - i just opened it in FireFox and it went ok. I can send it to you if you prefer, but it's 7.5MB so be warned. Cheers Mike Kear On 6/17/06, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well.I went to download the ACME PDF and used Save Target As and tried to open the document in IE, but both times I got an error that the file was corrupt and could not be repaired. Care to give that link a try and let me know what happens? Rick From: Mike Kear [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:20 PM To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Rick, I havent finished reading through this thread, but i suspect most of your questions will be answered if you follow
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
On 6/17/06, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it. This had been my major complaint for years. Now they have mighty mice. Fck'n awesome. ;-) I'd buy one for my PC! :DeN ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243999 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it. You have been able to right click on a mac now since OSX or about the last 4 years. Most mac ppl liked not having it and using keyboard shortcut instead or simply holding down your mouse button for an extra second brings up the right click commands. I have a apple mighty mouse and a logitech mx 1000 i use with my macs and both have left click, right click, middle click, back click, tracking etc So say if u go try a mac laptop, just hold down the trackpad button for an extra second and the right click menu pops up. I actually am trying out this program right now http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/, im defenatley gunna buy it. I set up mine so if i tap the top right corner of the pad it righ clicks and if i run my finger down right side it scrolls down or if i run finger across the bottom it scrolls side ways and if i tap upper left corner it opens up expose and if i tal lower left corner it opens up dw. As far as apple getting with the program, I'd say that right now apple is running the program as vista is really just a dumb version of OSX and btw~ the next version of OSX will be out before vista so ms will be that far behind again. But dont sweat it, you can still run windows 2000, i mean technology really hasn't gone anywhere since 2000 anyway right? I mean who needs a current OS anyways ;)~ ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244000 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually am trying out this program right now http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/, im defenatley gunna buy it. I set up mine so if i tap the top right corner of the pad it righ clicks and if i run my finger down right side it scrolls down or if i run finger across the bottom it scrolls side ways and if i tap upper left corner it opens up expose and if i tal lower left corner it opens up dw. I love that my laptop (w/Synaptics pointing device) came with that functionality built into the driver. Hadn't ever messed with it, and this one time I did, and it's AWESOME! Configure hotspots, etc... really nice. Glad they got something like that for the mac lappers, but it should be FREE! If'n you run a MS laptop with a synaptics pad, I highly recommend getting the latest drivers and using this stuff. Real nice, and the fiance doesn't complain 'bout the incessant click, click, click 'n no mo... ** How's Apple doing with games? Last I checked, if you were a gamer you wanted MS, but that has been changing over the years... :Denny the discombobulated (or is that discombobulator? T, he, he.) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244002 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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well its only like $9, even will could afford that! Games, I'm not a big gamer but I bought Call of Duty 2 for mac intel and I run it on my macbook pro and the settings for the game I maxed out on everything and it runs beatifully, havent even had it studer once. I have some of the older medal of honor games pre intel and they run fine too. I do have the better video card in here tho and 2gbs or ram and the faster chips and the faster hd. I have read lots where pc mags have been testing pc games running on apples bootcamp and there results are that they run better than most pcs do, most compared it to a dell xps system, just half the weight and much thinner. So really there is no reason for anyone not to go mac, its long been that games were just better on pc but now you can use the better os as in OSX (and you cant diss OSX unless you have tried it, most ppl that diss it have probably never even seen it in person) and you can start buying current games that play as well as the pc versions and you can run your pc games on it as well and they will probably play better than they do on your pc. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Denny Valliant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:05 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? On 6/17/06, dave wrote: I actually am trying out this program right now http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/, im defenatley gunna buy it. I set up mine so if i tap the top right corner of the pad it righ clicks and if i run my finger down right side it scrolls down or if i run finger across the bottom it scrolls side ways and if i tap upper left corner it opens up expose and if i tal lower left corner it opens up dw. I love that my laptop (w/Synaptics pointing device) came with that functionality built into the driver. Hadn't ever messed with it, and this one time I did, and it's AWESOME! Configure hotspots, etc... really nice. Glad they got something like that for the mac lappers, but it should be FREE! If'n you run a MS laptop with a synaptics pad, I highly recommend getting the latest drivers and using this stuff. Real nice, and the fiance doesn't complain 'bout the incessant click, click, click 'n no mo... ** How's Apple doing with games? Last I checked, if you were a gamer you wanted MS, but that has been changing over the years... :Denny the discombobulated (or is that discombobulator? T, he, he.) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244004 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Games, I'm not a big gamer but I bought Call of Duty 2 for mac intel and I run it on my macbook pro and the settings for the game I maxed out on everything and it runs beatifully, havent even had it studer once. I have some of the older medal of honor games pre intel and they run fine too. I do have the better video card in here tho and 2gbs or ram and the faster chips and the faster hd. Heh. I'm running the America's Army demo (I'm such a cheap bastard) on my G5 (old arch) and it's fine, dandy, even. For some reason UT2004 demo didn't do so well. :-/ or maybe I haven't tried it since my G4... hrm... I have read lots where pc mags have been testing pc games running on apples bootcamp and there results are that they run better than most pcs do, most compared it to a dell xps system, just half the weight and much thinner. Holy Crap! That's pretty far out. Guess those standards for video drivers/whatnot are working out, neh? FWIW, when I tried wineX, it ran that twisted Alice in Wonderland game faster than Windows did, but only certain games would work, and it was a PITA. So I guess it's not that far out... Just old knowledge, yet to be purged, tickling thoughts. (winex was a DirectX emulator for linux). So really there is no reason for anyone not to go mac, 'Cept price... and I bet there are edge *cough* cases for running MS stuff... But I agree, a great platform! Installing CF was a breeze, and I'm liking their servers... and what a UI! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244008 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I've heard about Spotlight...sounds similar to Google Desktop Search or MS's recent desktop search tool. its similar but it actually works and its built into the os so its way less resource intensive, i remember trying the google one on my pc which there is 768mb or ram on and it dogged it out. In spotlight everything is added instantly, seemlessly you dont even know its working. That was also the point behind winfs I believe was to basically mimic the file system and how it can be indexed like a mac does it but you dont gotta worry bout that now The whole windows vs apple is what it is but the thing i always see is that ppl try to compare winxp against mac os9 and they have no or little knowledge of the current osx. And all you got to do is compare what ms is trying to do with vista and see its just basic stuff osx has had for years now. Hell I thought the same thing about macs... back in my medical days I had to work on them and hated them just so damn ugly then the i can.d girls were at my house all the time with their apple powerbooks and I still wouldnt even look at them as I was moving to linux. Then one day i did and started playing with it and was blown away. And what I like is that I get to play with all the current stuff today, I just dont get why ppl stay on old os's like win2000 when they could be enjoying the goodies of today, i mean do the people that do that still listen to walkmans (with cassetes). I think Ray Camden said it right when he said now that osx is my os I am finally excited about the os that i am on... (sorry if i miss quoted ray) ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:37 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Those do sound like really useful tools. I do my batch photo processing through Photoshop's Batch processing function. It does save a *ton* of time on those tedious photo processing chores. I've heard about Spotlight...sounds similar to Google Desktop Search or MS's recent desktop search tool. I've had a friend who Media Production Manager for an International Corporation who uses both Windows and Macs for video production and he's been trying to convince me to go Apple for years...so I'm used to the Mac vs. Windows debate...we have a lot of fun with it... Thanks for the info! :o) Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? well it would at least just work :) Mac's just come with so much cool stuff, the possiblities are really endless to what you can do and how it improves your work flow. In your situation what would be cool is how simple this situation would become. Lets say you move site A to cfmx7 and you find a common piece of your coding that breaks and you fix it, if you were on OSX you could open up spotlight and put in a piece of that code and it would show you every single place that that code is and you could open them up right there and replace it and it would certainly get you through that much faster!. For example the other day i wanted an easy way to batch photos for the myalix site. OSX has a deal called automator (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/), in about 45 seconds I built an automator that sits on my desktop and what I do is take a folder of pix, usually about 90-400 a set and drop it on the icon and the automator opens up photoshop and resizes them and watermarks them and spits them into a temp folder and when thats done it opens up fireworks and optimizes them (since fw is WAY better at compression than ps) and spits them back out into a folder on my desktop and they are all done ready to go. Takes about 4 minutes with 200 photos, I was spending about 5-7 hours doing it by hand before. Well i better stop there b4 the vermin start spitting ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I hear ya...I just downloaded Apache, CFMX7, DW8, and Fireworks and will probably install it all tomorrow...then the fun will really begin! :o) And if I were just installing it on a Mac, I would be in tech nirvana, huh? Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Then u'd be the Mack Daddy!!! That might be too much cool new technology too handle at one time :) ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Now, Dave...it *might* be for me...maybe I was planning to run out
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
'Cept price... and I bet there are edge *cough* cases for running MS stuff... Price really isnt a factor, I mean if you get a Dell xps (or any laptop) with comparable equiptment you will probably pay at least twice as much as you will for the apple. Ppl seem to compare an Apple which comes with so much, to a bottom feeder dell thats $400. My Dell 8250 p4 2.4ghz was $2900, a good monitor 17 was $450 and ram was $160, extra warranty was $300 thats almost 4k, no wireless, no bluetooth, no dvi output and the video card is too weak to run any new games on. my new intel 20 intel imac fully loaded with 3 years of applecare, 2gbs ram, upgraded video card and everything was $2400 and that was with wireless mouse, keyboard, bluetooth, airport.. hell only 1 cord for power. Im not sure what my macbook pro would cost since apple upgraded me for free. And not to mention all the programs I got with mac and all the money I had to spend every year just on virus and spyware cleaners and all that crap for pc. And you can run ms stuff easily. On this laptop I have an extra monitor i dual monitor with and when I need my 2 programs on windows (ipb and ie) I launch parallels and I can full screen it on my other monitor and I got windows.. if i want it... doesnt get used much.. but its there and runs better than it does on my dell. The osx servers are just balls out nuts good!! All my sites are backed up on them. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Denny Valliant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:50 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? On 6/17/06, dave wrote: Games, I'm not a big gamer but I bought Call of Duty 2 for mac intel and I run it on my macbook pro and the settings for the game I maxed out on everything and it runs beatifully, havent even had it studer once. I have some of the older medal of honor games pre intel and they run fine too. I do have the better video card in here tho and 2gbs or ram and the faster chips and the faster hd. Heh. I'm running the America's Army demo (I'm such a cheap bastard) on my G5 (old arch) and it's fine, dandy, even. For some reason UT2004 demo didn't do so well. :-/ or maybe I haven't tried it since my G4... hrm... I have read lots where pc mags have been testing pc games running on apples bootcamp and there results are that they run better than most pcs do, most compared it to a dell xps system, just half the weight and much thinner. Holy Crap! That's pretty far out. Guess those standards for video drivers/whatnot are working out, neh? FWIW, when I tried wineX, it ran that twisted Alice in Wonderland game faster than Windows did, but only certain games would work, and it was a PITA. So I guess it's not that far out... Just old knowledge, yet to be purged, tickling thoughts. (winex was a DirectX emulator for linux). So really there is no reason for anyone not to go mac, 'Cept price... and I bet there are edge *cough* cases for running MS stuff... But I agree, a great platform! Installing CF was a breeze, and I'm liking their servers... and what a UI! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244010 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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you can always get a bluetooth mouse if ya got something against a usb one. If you mean why dont they include a 2 button one, well they do now and you might get a 2 button one with your new dell and its a jem lemme tell u, so u gotta buy a new one anyway, so whats the difference? ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Is apple ever going to get with the program, two mouse buttons are better than one, withouth having to purchase a usb mouse to do it. -- Casey Dougall Web Applications Developer Ph: 518 743-9424 Fax: 743-0337 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mannix Marketing Inc. 33 Park St. Third Floor, Glens Falls, New York 12801 Marketing to New York State Destinations? We offer quality Travel Industry Directories, Including www.Albany.com, www.LakeGeorge.com www.Saratoga.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244011 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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the thing i can say I liked about a dell is that it was easy to open to do anything with, its all right there and easily access, try and open a hp to add ram, frickin all day event. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:23 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Well I think everyone can agree that Dell makes great computers... the standard installs that those computers come with? Not so great for power users. Value fo rthe money I would agree with Customer service and ease of purchase...no friggin way. I had a laptop order cancelled 3 times as fraudulent simply because my billing address was different from delivery addrerss which was different than my credit card details (buying for wifes business (billing)...shipping to my office (shipping)my credit card (card details)). To top it off it takes 2 DAYS to even verify your purchase can proceed (or gets cancelled). So it ended up taking a week and a half just to place the frickin order I can understand fraud protection, but to wait 2 days just to find out if you have the privilege of giving Dell your money...nice bleeding system!! *whew* Sorry fro the rant...the neighbours next door just hired somebdy to trim their side (note I say side and not top) of a 20 ft hedgeit's now 8 ft high and a lot of my privacy is gone...TGIF eh!!! Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244013 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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If you plan on doing any flex stuff (which hopefully u will) then you can also look at tomcat server, since its a j2ee server it will run cfm and flex. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:53 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? So...the end result being that I need to use Apache or IIS (not the IIS that comes with Win XP Pro, but the full version)? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Oh, I'll definitely want to build a lot of different test sites. So if I install IIS that comes with Windows XP, I'll only be able to test one site at a time...hmmm, is this a reason to go with the standalone JRun server? The JRun web server doesn't support multiple virtual servers either, to the best of my knowledge. If you install CFMX on JRun using the multiserver option, each JRun/CFMX instance can have its own JRun web server, but that's not a viable option for more than a handful of sites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244016 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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dell xps's are ok but not for 4-5k the rest really arent good at all.. just about everything on them is the cheapest thing they can get so of course they wont be on par with a custom machine which you can get for cheaper than a good dell. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Well I think everyone can agree that Dell makes great computers... the standard installs that those computers come with? Not so great for power users. I haven't really bought stuff from other vendors (mostly because dell has the best deals), but I would imagine they're all the same. They all want to give you their nice features preinstalled, which might be fine for the average joe, but annoys the hell out of more experienced users. Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Yea, along with a bunch of (ad|bloat)ware. That's why I blow away all my new pc's and reinstall XP from scratch... Well then, you could put the install files on the disk yourself. But you might want to buy computers from better vendors in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244017 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well, with around 4 grand it seemed to me that it was all about equal... With about 1 grand, it wasn't, I could get more bang for my buck with PC than Mac. And replacement parts? YEOWZERZ! That mac stuff is 'xpensive! Glad they're sorta moving away from the Only apple certified... idea... that was actually my main (besides the mouse;) point of contention. Like Atarii, they wanted your soul. Apple is MUCH MUCH better now, but still not the end-all, be-all, IMO. Without a question they are moving inthe right direction though! :D worse ref than the ones I was watching today N -ps xserves are the tits, too. (You had forgot to mention) On 6/17/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Cept price... and I bet there are edge *cough* cases for running MS stuff... Price really isnt a factor, I mean if you get a Dell xps (or any laptop) with comparable equiptment you will probably pay at least twice as much as you will for the apple. Ppl seem to compare an Apple which comes with so much, to a bottom feeder dell thats $400. My Dell 8250 p4 2.4ghz was $2900, a good monitor 17 was $450 and ram was $160, extra warranty was $300 thats almost 4k, no wireless, no bluetooth, no dvi output and the video card is too weak to run any new games on. my new intel 20 intel imac fully loaded with 3 years of applecare, 2gbs ram, upgraded video card and everything was $2400 and that was with wireless mouse, keyboard, bluetooth, airport.. hell only 1 cord for power. Im not sure what my macbook pro would cost since apple upgraded me for free. And not to mention all the programs I got with mac and all the money I had to spend every year just on virus and spyware cleaners and all that crap for pc. And you can run ms stuff easily. On this laptop I have an extra monitor i dual monitor with and when I need my 2 programs on windows (ipb and ie) I launch parallels and I can full screen it on my other monitor and I got windows.. if i want it... doesnt get used much.. but its there and runs better than it does on my dell. The osx servers are just balls out nuts good!! All my sites are backed up on them. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244018 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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we need video editing for the scantly clad girls on i can.d!! but they dont like windows users(they made me switch..thank god..) and I probably cant offer much valuable cf info lol ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:20 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'll gladly provide video editing / formatting info for CF info any day! I started my business back in 1994 when computer-based video editing was in its infancy. So I have a *lot* more experience with thatbut I've gotten kinda bored with that, so I'm letting some of that business go. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Now video encoding I know something about...yes! I do know something! :o) hehe...and I know your e-mail addylet the barrage of questions begin ;-) Actaully...I'm quite happy now with SVCD2DVDworks great for creaeting basic DVDs froma lot of formatsa real no brainer app. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244019 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Lol, hell i bout called someone else on here a few days ago Connie, damn vermin!! Cause Im trying to be good, we dont need heated debates to bring out better info on here, we need to just kiss each others butts more and share the love... The last guy i argued with on here was as whitless and gutless as a stale fart.. Plus it does give off the wrong impression of me, im actually pretty mello and nice.. most of the time haha You know connie has to be on here under some other girls name or something. I heard hes gotten kicked out of quite a few groups and his cfug, good ole jelly belly... He's lucky I didnt sue his azz off, i mean damn its just a disagreement, it does happen in this world but he certainly crossed the line. Plus I might take up some additional local cf responsibilities so ya know (not that i have time but oh well) So i guess you better come up with something new 4 me Bryan ( i can already hear will giggling going worm... haha i said worm..), damn blue bus kid. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:15 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? And why the formerly all of a sudden? Yes enquiring minds want to know...it's been quite a while since I tagged ya (and Connie vacated the premises) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244023 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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So...Apache won't run any Flex apps? If so, that's not good. I want a server that will keep all my options open... -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? If you plan on doing any flex stuff (which hopefully u will) then you can also look at tomcat server, since its a j2ee server it will run cfm and flex. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244032 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I dont think it will, jrun will, tomcat will. I installed tomcat on one of my macs and it was a breeze. But maybe that was the prior flex, I havent played with the new flex and since its already compiled maybe it will, im sure someone will chime in on that. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:46 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? So...Apache won't run any Flex apps? If so, that's not good. I want a server that will keep all my options open... -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? If you plan on doing any flex stuff (which hopefully u will) then you can also look at tomcat server, since its a j2ee server it will run cfm and flex. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243769 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
They're both the same as far as I've ever seen. When you go to install is when you choose whether you want developer, trial or full (with serial number). I think they display it that way so that you can see your options but I believe the installer is exactly the same for everything. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Which version of CF should I download? CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243771 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Alright...thanks John and Ray... -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? They're both the same as far as I've ever seen. When you go to install is when you choose whether you want developer, trial or full (with serial number). I think they display it that way so that you can see your options but I believe the installer is exactly the same for everything. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Which version of CF should I download? CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243772 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243774 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
XP Pro should have IIS. If not go to Control Panel, Add Remove Programs, select Windows Components You can add it in there. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243775 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? No, CF now comes with its own web server that's perfectly suitable for most developers. By default, it will listen on port 8500 if you installed the server configuration, or 8300 if you installed the multiserver configuration which includes a full version of JRun. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243776 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Thanks, Randy...yes, it's there under Windows Components...just not installed, yet. Rick -Original Message- From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? XP Pro should have IIS. If not go to Control Panel, Add Remove Programs, select Windows Components You can add it in there. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243777 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
You don't have to install a separate web server if you don't want. CF has its built in one. It just depends on how you want things configured. You could install IIS if you want to be able to do the sorts of things in your webserver that are beyond the scope of the CF webserver. You could also install apache. It all depends on how you want things setup and how much control you want. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? XP Pro should have IIS. If not go to Control Panel, Add Remove Programs, select Windows Components You can add it in there. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243778 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
That is true. It does have its own web server. I just feel it is better As a developer to use IIS. Personal choice is all. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? No, CF now comes with its own web server that's perfectly suitable for most developers. By default, it will listen on port 8500 if you installed the server configuration, or 8300 if you installed the multiserver configuration which includes a full version of JRun. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243779 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Did you install as a standalone server? If so, then you're good to go. Rick Faircloth wrote: I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243780 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Ok...now we're getting complicated... First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? No, CF now comes with its own web server that's perfectly suitable for most developers. By default, it will listen on port 8500 if you installed the server configuration, or 8300 if you installed the multiserver configuration which includes a full version of JRun. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243782 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
The only thing I know about Apache is what it's called. How difficult is it to setup and administer? And what benefits would I see over IIS? -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? You don't have to install a separate web server if you don't want. CF has its built in one. It just depends on how you want things configured. You could install IIS if you want to be able to do the sorts of things in your webserver that are beyond the scope of the CF webserver. You could also install apache. It all depends on how you want things setup and how much control you want. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? XP Pro should have IIS. If not go to Control Panel, Add Remove Programs, select Windows Components You can add it in there. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243783 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
It's 57% downloaded...if there is any advice or recommendations for installation, please let me know before I begin clicking!!! :o) Is standalone recommended? As opposed to what? A clustered environment? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Did you install as a standalone server? If so, then you're good to go. Rick Faircloth wrote: I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243784 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
When asked during installation, choose Standalone (I think it's checked off for you by default). Standalone means that it is it's own server, meaning there is no need to use IIS or Apache, etc. I'd really recommend using this setup, as it's the most simple setup. I can't speak for performance, I don't run my own server, so I've never had to learn, but our dev server is set up this way, and we've never had a problem. Rick Faircloth wrote: It's 57% downloaded...if there is any advice or recommendations for installation, please let me know before I begin clicking!!! :o) Is standalone recommended? As opposed to what? A clustered environment? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Did you install as a standalone server? If so, then you're good to go. Rick Faircloth wrote: I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243785 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
That is true. It does have its own web server. I just feel it is better As a developer to use IIS. Personal choice is all. Well, Rick's question was do I need to install IIS, not is IIS a better choice than the JRun web server for development, which is why I gave the answer I did. But going back to that, for most developers, I think that the JRun web server is a better choice, for two reasons. First, unless you actually need to learn how to manage an external web server, why bother? And second and more important, unless you can use the same web server that you're going to manage, the value of using an external server is diminished a lot. The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243786 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? No. You won't be able to use third-party ISAPI filters, or IIS 6's built-in URL filtering, etc, etc. Neither will the version of IIS (5.1) that you can install on Windows XP. However, your CFML code will work the same way. Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not? No, you don't need it. However, a lot of functionality comes out of being able to install CFMX on a J2EE server - the ability to run multiple instances, separate instances by application/context root, cluster instances. The cost of that functionality is increased complexity, which you probably don't need right now, but you might want to check that stuff out later. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243787 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Especially since the XP version only allows one website at a time. This can be very annoying if one works with more then one production website. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243789 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Ok...now we're getting complicated... No...just new ground for ya ;-) First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? Of course not, but it is good enough to test a fair amount of CF functionality (personally as others have mentioned I installed IIS to have the full blown approach) Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not?The full version is required IF you want to run multiple instances of CF (like so if one dies it doesn't drag down every app). It also allows you to test the packaging of CF apps into EAR/WAR files to be deployed on a J2EE server...like oh say JRUN4 ;-) Hope that helps Rick Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Ok...now we're getting complicated... First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? No, CF now comes with its own web server that's perfectly suitable for most developers. By default, it will listen on port 8500 if you installed the server configuration, or 8300 if you installed the multiserver configuration which includes a full version of JRun. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243791 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
The only thing I know about Apache is what it's called. How difficult is it to setup and administer? And what benefits would I see over IIS? Oh no...you just opened the IIS vs Apache debate...and on a Friday no less!! ;-) Rick I strongly suggest you stick with what you know (I suspect IIS) while learning all these new things in CFbaby steps ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243792 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
standalone refers to the built-in server...not clustering AFAIK So you can pick standalone or one of the installed web servers on your machine (CF will find em if they are there) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243793 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
This is why I am now starting to install Apache on my dev cf servers. Can have as many sites as I want, and there's no reason to use IIS unless you're using .NET (or you like inferior server software). Russ -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Especially since the XP version only allows one website at a time. This can be very annoying if one works with more then one production website. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243794 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh...now there's something I didn't know...what JRun actually is. I've seen it discussed a lot on this list, but assumed it was a program between CF and the server that compiled the CF code into Java, or something like that. So, JRun is actually a web server like IIS, through which I can setup websites, etc? Now I do run my own web server and will eventually bring 4.5 up to 7 on the live production server, so I'll need to know how to manage whatever will be necessary to take CF 7 to the production server... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? That is true. It does have its own web server. I just feel it is better As a developer to use IIS. Personal choice is all. Well, Rick's question was do I need to install IIS, not is IIS a better choice than the JRun web server for development, which is why I gave the answer I did. But going back to that, for most developers, I think that the JRun web server is a better choice, for two reasons. First, unless you actually need to learn how to manage an external web server, why bother? And second and more important, unless you can use the same web server that you're going to manage, the value of using an external server is diminished a lot. The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243795 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Thanks for that info, Dave...see my response to your other post for more questions... :o) All these questions is what you guys get for laughing at me sticking with 4.5 so long! :o) Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? No. You won't be able to use third-party ISAPI filters, or IIS 6's built-in URL filtering, etc, etc. Neither will the version of IIS (5.1) that you can install on Windows XP. However, your CFML code will work the same way. Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not? No, you don't need it. However, a lot of functionality comes out of being able to install CFMX on a J2EE server - the ability to run multiple instances, separate instances by application/context root, cluster instances. The cost of that functionality is increased complexity, which you probably don't need right now, but you might want to check that stuff out later. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243796 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh, I'll definitely want to build a lot of different test sites. So if I install IIS that comes with Windows XP, I'll only be able to test one site at a time...hmmm, is this a reason to go with the standalone JRun server? -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Especially since the XP version only allows one website at a time. This can be very annoying if one works with more then one production website. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243797 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Sounds nice and simple...I just want the development environment as much as possible... -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? When asked during installation, choose Standalone (I think it's checked off for you by default). Standalone means that it is it's own server, meaning there is no need to use IIS or Apache, etc. I'd really recommend using this setup, as it's the most simple setup. I can't speak for performance, I don't run my own server, so I've never had to learn, but our dev server is set up this way, and we've never had a problem. Rick Faircloth wrote: It's 57% downloaded...if there is any advice or recommendations for installation, please let me know before I begin clicking!!! :o) Is standalone recommended? As opposed to what? A clustered environment? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Did you install as a standalone server? If so, then you're good to go. Rick Faircloth wrote: I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Trial gets you the 30 day full version, then reverts to developer after that. So, I'm guessing Trial, since why not? Rick Faircloth wrote: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243798 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Yeah...new ground is always complicated until you understand it... And every time I get an answer to a question, new information causes 3 more questions! :oP You mentioned you installed IIS to have the full blown approach. That's what I'd like, because that's what the production environment will be like. As Ian mentioned, the IIS that comes with Win XP Pro only allows 1 website at a time...not workable. Did you install a full version of IIS on a Win XP Pro box? -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Ok...now we're getting complicated... No...just new ground for ya ;-) First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? Of course not, but it is good enough to test a fair amount of CF functionality (personally as others have mentioned I installed IIS to have the full blown approach) Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not?The full version is required IF you want to run multiple instances of CF (like so if one dies it doesn't drag down every app). It also allows you to test the packaging of CF apps into EAR/WAR files to be deployed on a J2EE server...like oh say JRUN4 ;-) Hope that helps Rick Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Ok...now we're getting complicated... First, will the included web server act just like II6 will in production? Secondly, do I need a full version of JRun? Why or why not? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? I'm installed CF 7 on a laptop with Windows XP Pro on it...do I need to install IIS or anything else? No, CF now comes with its own web server that's perfectly suitable for most developers. By default, it will listen on port 8500 if you installed the server configuration, or 8300 if you installed the multiserver configuration which includes a full version of JRun. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243799 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh no...you just opened the IIS vs Apache debate...and on a Friday no less!! ;-) Sorry! :o) -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? The only thing I know about Apache is what it's called. How difficult is it to setup and administer? And what benefits would I see over IIS? Oh no...you just opened the IIS vs Apache debate...and on a Friday no less!! ;-) Rick I strongly suggest you stick with what you know (I suspect IIS) while learning all these new things in CFbaby steps ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243800 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Uh-oh...inferior software...everybody duck! Is Apache plug-n-play (for the most part) or is there approximately 50,000 manual, command line settings to have to conquer? I smell that open-source aroma...not that it smells bad or anything, I love MySQL... -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? This is why I am now starting to install Apache on my dev cf servers. Can have as many sites as I want, and there's no reason to use IIS unless you're using .NET (or you like inferior server software). ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243801 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Railo develop :-) www.railo.ch Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List / Treten Sie unserer Mailingliste bei: deutsch: http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/railo/ english: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railo_talk/ Rick Faircloth schrieb: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243802 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
Yeah...new ground is always complicated until you understand it... And every time I get an answer to a question, new information causes 3 more questions! :oP I know the feeling...happens most times I ask a video encoding question or a jetski related mechanical question online ;-) You mentioned you installed IIS to have the full blown approach. That's what I'd like, because that's what the production environment will be like. As Ian mentioned, the IIS that comes with Win XP Pro only allows 1 website at a time...not workable. Did you install a full version of IIS on a Win XP Pro box? As Dave W mentioned...it's not the same version you'll find on a server OS (5.1 instead of 6), but you can still do some of the things Dave mentioned on 5.1 (not that I actually do any of them). So what I installed was 5.1 that comes with XP Pro. Perhaps this bit of advice will help You can change your mind later using something called the web connector, so perhaps for now...go simple and use the standalone option...if you want to try something else later you can switch to IIS or Apache. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243804 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Uh-oh...inferior software...everybody duck! see...I told ya ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243805 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
There are only about 5 lines required to set up a new site and they are provided for you in the comments (and half of them are optional). Now if you would like to use the other 50,000 features that apache comes with, you're free to use the documentation on the apache site as to how those features work. Nobody is forcing you to use them. But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Russ -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Uh-oh...inferior software...everybody duck! Is Apache plug-n-play (for the most part) or is there approximately 50,000 manual, command line settings to have to conquer? I smell that open- source aroma...not that it smells bad or anything, I love MySQL... -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? This is why I am now starting to install Apache on my dev cf servers. Can have as many sites as I want, and there's no reason to use IIS unless you're using .NET (or you like inferior server software). ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243807 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh...now there's something I didn't know...what JRun actually is. I've seen it discussed a lot on this list, but assumed it was a program between CF and the server that compiled the CF code into Java, or something like that. So, JRun is actually a web server like IIS, through which I can setup websites, etc? No, Jrun is the Java runtime. It is what's running the java byte code that your CFML gets turned into when it is compiled, unless you have configured some other flavor of Java runtime to do this for you (ie websphere, tomcat, sun). -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243808 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
;o) -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Railo develop :-) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243809 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Now video encoding I know something about...yes! I do know something! :o) The standalone route seems to be a good one for now. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Yeah...new ground is always complicated until you understand it... And every time I get an answer to a question, new information causes 3 more questions! :oP I know the feeling...happens most times I ask a video encoding question or a jetski related mechanical question online ;-) You mentioned you installed IIS to have the full blown approach. That's what I'd like, because that's what the production environment will be like. As Ian mentioned, the IIS that comes with Win XP Pro only allows 1 website at a time...not workable. Did you install a full version of IIS on a Win XP Pro box? As Dave W mentioned...it's not the same version you'll find on a server OS (5.1 instead of 6), but you can still do some of the things Dave mentioned on 5.1 (not that I actually do any of them). So what I installed was 5.1 that comes with XP Pro. Perhaps this bit of advice will help You can change your mind later using something called the web connector, so perhaps for now...go simple and use the standalone option...if you want to try something else later you can switch to IIS or Apache. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243810 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Why can't just all get along! :o) -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Uh-oh...inferior software...everybody duck! see...I told ya ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243811 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Great points Dave. I agree completely. I was just explaining more because Rick sound inexperienced. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? That is true. It does have its own web server. I just feel it is better As a developer to use IIS. Personal choice is all. Well, Rick's question was do I need to install IIS, not is IIS a better choice than the JRun web server for development, which is why I gave the answer I did. But going back to that, for most developers, I think that the JRun web server is a better choice, for two reasons. First, unless you actually need to learn how to manage an external web server, why bother? And second and more important, unless you can use the same web server that you're going to manage, the value of using an external server is diminished a lot. The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243812 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
I *know* you can do it quickly and easily, but can *I*...with no experience...yikes! -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? There are only about 5 lines required to set up a new site and they are provided for you in the comments (and half of them are optional). Now if you would like to use the other 50,000 features that apache comes with, you're free to use the documentation on the apache site as to how those features work. Nobody is forcing you to use them. But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Russ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243813 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Why can't just all get along! :o) i been stressin that 4 ever!! haha ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243815 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Not to mention that you will have to slap iis upside the head with the stupid stick so that it will recognize a .cfm file. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? There are only about 5 lines required to set up a new site and they are provided for you in the comments (and half of them are optional). Now if you would like to use the other 50,000 features that apache comes with, you're free to use the documentation on the apache site as to how those features work. Nobody is forcing you to use them. But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Russ -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Uh-oh...inferior software...everybody duck! Is Apache plug-n-play (for the most part) or is there approximately 50,000 manual, command line settings to have to conquer? I smell that open- source aroma...not that it smells bad or anything, I love MySQL... -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? This is why I am now starting to install Apache on my dev cf servers. Can have as many sites as I want, and there's no reason to use IIS unless you're using .NET (or you like inferior server software). ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243816 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
yeah right mister i-love-my-mac-and-windoze-is-teh-suck :) -- not the smiley PLEASE :P On 6/16/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't just all get along! :o) i been stressin that 4 ever!! haha ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243818 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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dammit that should have said NOTE the smiley. NOTE. On 6/16/06, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah right mister i-love-my-mac-and-windoze-is-teh-suck :) -- not the smiley PLEASE :P On 6/16/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't just all get along! :o) i been stressin that 4 ever!! haha ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243817 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Hey Gert, will railo run on a portable device like an ipod? ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:10 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Railo develop :-) www.railo.ch Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List / Treten Sie unserer Mailingliste bei: deutsch: http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/railo/ english: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railo_talk/ Rick Faircloth schrieb: CF MX 7 Developer or CF MX 7 Trial? Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243819 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Oh, man...the quicksand is sucking me in more and more every posting... Not it's, JRun, compiled Java byte code, Java runtime, websphere, tomcat, sun Remember how simple 4.5 was? I know the air is cleaner on top of the mountain, but you have to get there without dying! :o/ The first time I have a Java runtime error or one of those freaky error messages you guys have been discussing from time to time on the list I'm going back to 4.5! Oh why did I get a degree in music instead of computer science?!?! My computer doesn't care if I can sing! (and neither does compiled Java byte code!) CF Server: There's a error in the compiled Java byte code subroutine. Rick: I don't have a clue what you're talking about. CF Server: But can you sing? :o) Rick -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Oh...now there's something I didn't know...what JRun actually is. I've seen it discussed a lot on this list, but assumed it was a program between CF and the server that compiled the CF code into Java, or something like that. So, JRun is actually a web server like IIS, through which I can setup websites, etc? No, Jrun is the Java runtime. It is what's running the java byte code that your CFML gets turned into when it is compiled, unless you have configured some other flavor of Java runtime to do this for you (ie websphere, tomcat, sun). -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243820 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Yeah, right...you, you disruptor! :o) And why the formerly all of a sudden? Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Why can't just all get along! :o) i been stressin that 4 ever!! haha ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243821 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Not to mention that you will have to slap iis upside the head with the stupid stick so that it will recognize a .cfm file. That's exactly what happened to me so I could recognize one! :o) -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Not to mention that you will have to slap iis upside the head with the stupid stick so that it will recognize a .cfm file. ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? There are only about 5 lines required to set up a new site and they are provided for you in the comments (and half of them are optional). Now if you would like to use the other 50,000 features that apache comes with, you're free to use the documentation on the apache site as to how those features work. Nobody is forcing you to use them. But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Russ -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Uh-oh...inferior software...everybody duck! Is Apache plug-n-play (for the most part) or is there approximately 50,000 manual, command line settings to have to conquer? I smell that open- source aroma...not that it smells bad or anything, I love MySQL... -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? This is why I am now starting to install Apache on my dev cf servers. Can have as many sites as I want, and there's no reason to use IIS unless you're using .NET (or you like inferior server software). ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243822 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Now video encoding I know something about...yes! I do know something! :o) hehe...and I know your e-mail addylet the barrage of questions begin ;-) Actaully...I'm quite happy now with SVCD2DVDworks great for creaeting basic DVDs froma lot of formatsa real no brainer app. Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243823 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Well, let me put it this way...I've been running a Win 2000 Server for about 6 years with IIS and quite a few websites on it. It's not that I'm totally inexperienced, it just that the setup above is *all* that I have experience with. Besides, I like to come across as totally inexperienced so no one assumes I know something I don't...getting the server running and clients happy is important...my ego is not. :o) Rick -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Great points Dave. I agree completely. I was just explaining more because Rick sound inexperienced. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? That is true. It does have its own web server. I just feel it is better As a developer to use IIS. Personal choice is all. Well, Rick's question was do I need to install IIS, not is IIS a better choice than the JRun web server for development, which is why I gave the answer I did. But going back to that, for most developers, I think that the JRun web server is a better choice, for two reasons. First, unless you actually need to learn how to manage an external web server, why bother? And second and more important, unless you can use the same web server that you're going to manage, the value of using an external server is diminished a lot. The version of IIS that comes with Windows XP is not the same as IIS on Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243824 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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i been stressin that 4 ever!! haha ~Dave - formerly known as the disruptor~ LMAO...the only thing you've been stressin dave is others on the list ;-) Ya walked straight into that one... Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243825 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Oh why did I get a degree in music instead of computer science?!?! My computer doesn't care if I can sing! (and neither does compiled Java byte code!) Hey...I went into my B Comm degree planning to open restaurant or pub...came out a programmer...go figure ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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And why the formerly all of a sudden? Yes enquiring minds want to know...it's been quite a while since I tagged ya (and Connie vacated the premises) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243827 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
I'll gladly provide video editing / formatting info for CF info any day! I started my business back in 1994 when computer-based video editing was in its infancy. So I have a *lot* more experience with thatbut I've gotten kinda bored with that, so I'm letting some of that business go. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Which version of CF should I download? Now video encoding I know something about...yes! I do know something! :o) hehe...and I know your e-mail addylet the barrage of questions begin ;-) Actaully...I'm quite happy now with SVCD2DVDworks great for creaeting basic DVDs froma lot of formatsa real no brainer app. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243830 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh, man...the quicksand is sucking me in more and more every posting... Not it's, JRun, compiled Java byte code, Java runtime, websphere, tomcat, sun The nice thing about CF is that it hides most of this complexity. You should just be able to run the installer and be creating applications with out knowing how CF is compiling the code and getting it to java. I've been using the MX versions for nearly three years now, and I have yet to need to look at any part of the Java underpinnings of ColdFusion. I just use the standard Jrun that comes with ColdFusion and run the installer. I have started to use multi-home which has been fun, and required me to know a little more about the Java world. I'm also diving into flex, which brings more Java pains. But nothing too head exploding yet. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243828 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Besides, I like to come across as totally inexperienced so no one assumes I know something I don't...getting the server running and clients happy is important...my ego is not. :o) Rick Good on yathe tech world could use more folks with that philosophy!!sure would make lists run smoother ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243832 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Did you install a full version of IIS on a Win XP Pro box? IIS is essentially a component of the operating system. You can only install the version of IIS that comes with the operating system. So, if you install IIS on Windows XP, you get IIS 5.1, which doesn't support multiple virtual servers. There's a tool available for quickly switching IIS 5.1 configuration info so you can develop multiple projects, but you can't run multiple virtual servers, period. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243833 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh...now there's something I didn't know...what JRun actually is. I've seen it discussed a lot on this list, but assumed it was a program between CF and the server that compiled the CF code into Java, or something like that. So, JRun is actually a web server like IIS, through which I can setup websites, etc? Actually, no, that's not what JRun is. It's a J2EE application server, which runs Java applications. CF is essentially just another Java application. JRun includes its own web server, however, which you can use instead of an external web server. The JRun web server is quite simple, and doesn't provide anything like the functionality that IIS or Apache have. But for development, again, it's usually sufficient. Now I do run my own web server and will eventually bring 4.5 up to 7 on the live production server, so I'll need to know how to manage whatever will be necessary to take CF 7 to the production server... There are many, many ways you could go about that. You will certainly want to test all of your existing sites with CFMX before switching them over. It is possible to have both 4.5 and CFMX on the same machine, but this requires a certain familiarity with your web server configuration. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243834 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Oh, I'll definitely want to build a lot of different test sites. So if I install IIS that comes with Windows XP, I'll only be able to test one site at a time...hmmm, is this a reason to go with the standalone JRun server? The JRun web server doesn't support multiple virtual servers either, to the best of my knowledge. If you install CFMX on JRun using the multiserver option, each JRun/CFMX instance can have its own JRun web server, but that's not a viable option for more than a handful of sites. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243835 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Not to mention that you will have to slap iis upside the head with the stupid stick so that it will recognize a .cfm file. If by stupid stick you mean the JRun web server configuration utility, yes. Apache is no different, really, except that the web server configuration utility doesn't tend to work as well with it - you can't, for example, assign CF functionality to three of your five virtual servers without editing httpd.conf directly. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243838 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Everything is easy, once you know how to do it. Nowadays, though, you typically don't have to have the CD to install IIS - most PC vendors preload the OS files onto the machine. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243839 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Which version of CF should I download?
I'll gladly provide video editing / formatting info for CF info any day! I started my business back in 1994 when computer-based video editing was in its infancy. So I have a *lot* more experience with thatbut I've gotten kinda bored with that, so I'm letting some of that business go. Very good to know indeed!! Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243843 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Yea, along with a bunch of (ad|bloat)ware. That's why I blow away all my new pc's and reinstall XP from scratch... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? But I bet I can download, install apache, configure it to work with cf, and set up a virtual site on it before you can find your XP CD to install IIS :-P Everything is easy, once you know how to do it. Nowadays, though, you typically don't have to have the CD to install IIS - most PC vendors preload the OS files onto the machine. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243844 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Yea, along with a bunch of (ad|bloat)ware. That's why I blow away all my new pc's and reinstall XP from scratch... Well then, you could put the install files on the disk yourself. But you might want to buy computers from better vendors in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243847 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Well I think everyone can agree that Dell makes great computers... the standard installs that those computers come with? Not so great for power users. I haven't really bought stuff from other vendors (mostly because dell has the best deals), but I would imagine they're all the same. They all want to give you their nice features preinstalled, which might be fine for the average joe, but annoys the hell out of more experienced users. Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Yea, along with a bunch of (ad|bloat)ware. That's why I blow away all my new pc's and reinstall XP from scratch... Well then, you could put the install files on the disk yourself. But you might want to buy computers from better vendors in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243848 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Well I think everyone can agree that Dell makes great computers... the standard installs that those computers come with? Not so great for power users. I'm not sure I agree with either of those, but whatever. I consider myself somewhat of a power user, but that doesn't mean I have to reinstall the OS. Which is a good thing, given the number of non-standard drivers, etc, that come with many laptops. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243851 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
Well, that's good to know...and keep that head intact. :o) Rick -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Oh, man...the quicksand is sucking me in more and more every posting... Not it's, JRun, compiled Java byte code, Java runtime, websphere, tomcat, sun The nice thing about CF is that it hides most of this complexity. You should just be able to run the installer and be creating applications with out knowing how CF is compiling the code and getting it to java. I've been using the MX versions for nearly three years now, and I have yet to need to look at any part of the Java underpinnings of ColdFusion. I just use the standard Jrun that comes with ColdFusion and run the installer. I have started to use multi-home which has been fun, and required me to know a little more about the Java world. I'm also diving into flex, which brings more Java pains. But nothing too head exploding yet. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243857 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
So...the end result being that I need to use Apache or IIS (not the IIS that comes with Win XP Pro, but the full version)? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Oh, I'll definitely want to build a lot of different test sites. So if I install IIS that comes with Windows XP, I'll only be able to test one site at a time...hmmm, is this a reason to go with the standalone JRun server? The JRun web server doesn't support multiple virtual servers either, to the best of my knowledge. If you install CFMX on JRun using the multiserver option, each JRun/CFMX instance can have its own JRun web server, but that's not a viable option for more than a handful of sites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243858 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
I'm not sure were on the same wavelength, Dave. I just need IIS to do what IIS 5 has been doing on my Win 2K Server. It may not even be IIS 5.1 (can't figure out where to get that info). So, I'm not talking about multiple virtual servers (I don't think...) I'm talking about IIIS with multiple websites setup and routed via host headers. That's different from virtual servers, right? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Did you install a full version of IIS on a Win XP Pro box? IIS is essentially a component of the operating system. You can only install the version of IIS that comes with the operating system. So, if you install IIS on Windows XP, you get IIS 5.1, which doesn't support multiple virtual servers. There's a tool available for quickly switching IIS 5.1 configuration info so you can develop multiple projects, but you can't run multiple virtual servers, period. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243860 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
editing httpd.conf directly Uh, oh...the light are going dim in Apacheland... Looks like IIS is leading at this point -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Not to mention that you will have to slap iis upside the head with the stupid stick so that it will recognize a .cfm file. If by stupid stick you mean the JRun web server configuration utility, yes. Apache is no different, really, except that the web server configuration utility doesn't tend to work as well with it - you can't, for example, assign CF functionality to three of your five virtual servers without editing httpd.conf directly. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243861 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
So...the end result being that I need to use Apache or IIS (not the IIS that comes with Win XP Pro, but the full version)? The only version of IIS that you can install on Windows XP is the one that comes with Windows XP. So, if you need to run multiple virtual servers, you will need to either (a) use Apache, or (b) install one instance of JRun for each virtual server. Out of those two choices, I recommend using Apache. However, if you simply need to simulate having multiple virtual servers by being able to switch configuration files, you might look at this: http://www.firstserved.net/services/iisadmin.php Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243862 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Which version of CF should I download?
buy computers No way...build your own... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Which version of CF should I download? Yea, along with a bunch of (ad|bloat)ware. That's why I blow away all my new pc's and reinstall XP from scratch... Well then, you could put the install files on the disk yourself. But you might want to buy computers from better vendors in the future. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:243863 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
