Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior
Joe, you could put one board from your existing boat onto the new boat and call it a "restoration", just like the Constitution...! Or the Tally Ho project! Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 02:19:24 PM EDT, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar, and buying all that teak. Joe From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Neil Gallagher Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on the topsides. I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head! Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/ Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Mystery Leak
Lloyd, are the Dorade vents on your 39 the typical C the long molded in boxes or a separate box mounted on the deck? THanks Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 06:39:10 PM EDT, Lloyd Lippe via CnC-List wrote: Had a similar leak on my LF39.I removed and capped off the dorads...so far seems to have worked. Lloyd Lippe On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 12:37 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List wrote: John, o had a similar leak on my LG 39. It turned out to be a hatch on the deck. The previous owner had put a container in a cabinet to catch the water. Douglas Mountjoy 1988 C LF 39 Mexico at large 1984 Sabre 34 Port Orchard, WA On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 09:31 John McCrea via CnC-List wrote: Hey Listers, Our 36-1 has had mystery leak since we owned her, and it only shows up in heavy rain. On the port side main cabin water is coming down the enclosed molded ceiling headliner that butts against the forward teak bulkhead just forward of the chainplates. It is a completely in accessible so short of starting to cut apart the ceiling I cannot find the source. So far, I have: - Removed and rebedded the chainplates, though it is not coming from that area it is above and forward. - New handrails and re-cored deck where wet. Have access to all fasteners and they are dry. - Removed all winches etc around mast area, ran all lines back and redid decks. - Rebedded mast collar where it meets the deck. - Resealed around the bulkhead stainless tang that has the small stainless plate on deck. So, my only two intrusions that are in that area are the mast itself and the above mentioned stainless tab. Somehow water finds a pathway in the enclosed ceiling and dumps right into the port side shelf. If my wife happens to be sleeping in that berth at the time you can guess what happens next. With all the heavy rain last year it was constantly wet. What I have not done is to add more sealant to the deck fasteners that hold the mast collar in, but they look well sealed. I think I am going to remove the tang plate completely and redo that. Will double up on the mast bedding at the deck seam and the fasteners. Any suggestions are welcomed! John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT 06355 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Mystery Leak
I have almost the exact same leak on my 37; I have one of those fireplace units mounted on that bulkhead and I took the flue pipe out and put in a bucket because the water runs out of the hole in the head liner down into the fireplace; I have searched time and time again and cannot locate the source of the leak; we have rebedded all of the hardware and have ruled out the mast boot...so, let me know if you find something! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, MIle 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 01:54:10 PM EDT, Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List wrote: John, o had a similar leak on my LG 39. It turned out to be a hatch on the deck. The previous owner had put a container in a cabinet to catch the water. Douglas Mountjoy 1988 C LF 39 Mexico at large 1984 Sabre 34 Port Orchard, WA On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 09:31 John McCrea via CnC-List wrote: Hey Listers, Our 36-1 has had mystery leak since we owned her, and it only shows up in heavy rain. On the port side main cabin water is coming down the enclosed molded ceiling headliner that butts against the forward teak bulkhead just forward of the chainplates. It is a completely in accessible so short of starting to cut apart the ceiling I cannot find the source. So far, I have: - Removed and rebedded the chainplates, though it is not coming from that area it is above and forward. - New handrails and re-cored deck where wet. Have access to all fasteners and they are dry. - Removed all winches etc around mast area, ran all lines back and redid decks. - Rebedded mast collar where it meets the deck. - Resealed around the bulkhead stainless tang that has the small stainless plate on deck. So, my only two intrusions that are in that area are the mast itself and the above mentioned stainless tab. Somehow water finds a pathway in the enclosed ceiling and dumps right into the port side shelf. If my wife happens to be sleeping in that berth at the time you can guess what happens next. With all the heavy rain last year it was constantly wet. What I have not done is to add more sealant to the deck fasteners that hold the mast collar in, but they look well sealed. I think I am going to remove the tang plate completely and redo that. Will double up on the mast bedding at the deck seam and the fasteners. Any suggestions are welcomed! John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT 06355 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: opening port replacing fixed lenses on 1984 C
Pete, that's an interesting option; I would like to see how it would affect the aesthetics o the boat; for resale purpose perhaps...; I went with the standard replacement windows and have hadgood luck with them, but I like the boats that have opening ports installed into a fixed window...! Let me know what you decide! Richard 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:07:09 PM EDT, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List wrote: Over the years I’ve replaced the side fixed windows on my ’84 37 multiple times. I’m considering glassing over where the lenses sit and installing opening ports. Probably two on each side. I’m reaching out to the group to see who has tackled this project and are there suggestions on how to best finish the inside to make it look decent. Thanks, Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Rebuilding Rudder
Bill, fascinating article, all I could think of was, I hope I don't need to do that! Thanks for sharing Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:33:45 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: Interesting DIY in Epoxyworks about rebuilding a waterlogged C 32 Rudder. https://www.epoxyworks.com/index.php/replacing-wet-core-in-rudder/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=EW_58_content=another-spade Bill ColemanErie, PA Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: 36-1 Stuffing Box Access.
Mike, I have 37 and I share your pain in getting to the stuffing box area; I went with the PYI and have been happy with it; there are other brands which seem to do well also; I just didn't want to crawl down in there on a frequent basis, and bit the bullet on the new shaft...; best of luck with your 36! Richard 1986 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 10:33:40 PM EDT, Mike Nicholls via CnC-List wrote: John, I replaced my flax packing with Tefpak along with Teflon lubricant. I am continually adjusting the stuffing box to get an appropriate drip rate of 1-2 drops/min with the shaft rotating. The drip continues when the engine is not running. Fortunately my boat is a 35 Mark III with easy access to the stuffing box. (Only minimal boat yoga needed to access the stuffing box). If your access is poor my recommendation is to continue with flax. Mike Nicholls From: John McCrea via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: April 4, 2024 4:08 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List Re: 36-1 Stuffing Box Access. Thanks John. From: John Read via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 7:06 PM To: Stus-List Cc: John Read Subject: Stus-List Re: 36-1 Stuffing Box Access. Hi John. Teflon packing works great. Check with Brer Rabbit. Their 33-1 engine is mounted backwards with a v drive so the stuffing box is under the engine so limited access. Hope this helps John of the 34 aforementioned. On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 7:00 PM John McCrea via CnC-List wrote: 36-1 Owners, Hello. I am looking for any insight into how any 36 owners have managed the lack of access to the stuffing box. Each time I want to get it, we have to pull the muffler, and then the access is still very limited. On the other 3 boats I have owned, it was a piece of cake. I'm not sure what they were thinking. I looked into the PYI system, but my yard wanted to cut the shaft and put in a new one. It is less than 10 years old, so that is a no-go. We are going to pack with Teflon instead of the old-style flax that was in there and hope for better results. But having to adjust it once it is in the water is a real challenge. I have seen the access on the later model 34, and I am very jealous. Thanks. John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hints on swapping winches?
Dave, that's excellent advice! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 09:42:56 AM EDT, Dave S via CnC-List wrote: Make your own ‘glass backing sheetshttp://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2015/12/making-fibreglass-parts.html?m=1 Dave - ex 33-2. Windstar On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:26 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: Don’t use plywood. Aluminum or G10. Joel On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:24 PM Dean McNeill via CnC-List wrote: I'm about to finally replace my old 2 speed Barient 25 primary winches on my C 34, with Harken 46 Self tailing winches. Anyone have experience doing a similar swap? I fully expect I’ll need to fill old holes and drill new ones. And probably glass in aluminum or plywood backing plates. Any other hints and tips? Thanks, Dean BarraWind 1980 C 34 Halifax, NS Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium vs AGM
Matt, that sure sounds suspicious, are you sure it was only coincidence? Richard 1985 C 37 Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 02:15:53 PM EST, Matthew Wolford via CnC-List wrote: I replaced my lead acid batteries with AGM about two years ago. Shortly after I installed them, my battery charger coincidentally went bad, and I was not charging at the dock (despite thinking I was). I discovered the problem as I was preparing for a 15-hour delivery, and initially believed the problem must be the new batteries. It took my 10-amp car battery charger over 12 hours to fully charge my two house batteries before we took off. Matt C 42 Custom From: Dave S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:57 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Dave S Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium vs AGM I’ll add (from experience) that if you are daysailing and otherwise plugged in at the dock, you can (unwittingly) do without an alternator for quite some time as well…. Dave Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Joe, thanks for the reassurance on the group 27's! That's what I have and I have been worried that I am missing out on something with my old batteries, but we are always tied to a dock as you describe, so I am good ---(for now)! Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 10:57:31 AM EST, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: If you are primarily going dock to dock and don’t care about being anchored out or underway for days, the old standard two group 27 batteries will do just fine, you are only dealing with hours of no engine, not days. I would still go AGM just because I hate wet batteries. We had one crack open in a hurricane and the extra-special smell was not appreciated. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:58 PM To: Stus-List Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium vs AGM Hi Brian, I watched hundreds of videos installing lithium battery systems in sailboats and also in RVs. I found MarineHowTo.com had a link to Victron diagrams and there are many many videos describing each Victron module on YouTube. I didn't go very deep into solar panels, which is probably where I'd start if our boat was on a mooring. My situation is different. Our boat is in a slip with 30amp power available and we enjoy air conditioning, no extra charge. I couldn't build a lithium/solar system large enough to support air conditioning so it lost a lot of attraction. We mostly daysail and return to the slip. When we cruise, my wife prefers a marina over anchoring out, where they have a pool, so we take a slip at a marina and plug in. We enjoy walking strange towns and learning the history and finding good restaurants and live music and meeting new people. It's all part of the adventure of cruising. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis On 02/16/2024 6:03 AM EST nausetbeach--- via CnC-List wrote: Chuck, Bill and any others: I am in a similar position; my batteries are on their last legs. Was hoping to make another season with them but need to dive into LFP batteries as a potential replacement. Some people really like AGM, but my understanding is they need to be brought back to 100% SOC and I am on a mooring so cannot just plug in at the end of the day. Where / what sites have you been using to learn about LFP batteries? So far I have looked [but need to spend more time at] Rod Collins “Marine How To” site, and Ocean Planet. I also need to get up to speed as best as I can on solar – so any suggestions there as well. Have spent some time on the “alltestore . com” site. Thanks, Brian From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 6:15 PM To: Stus-List Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Lithium vs AGM Hey Bill, I am replacing my 12 and 13 year old AGM batteries with AGMs. I spent at least 40 hours this winter learning about Lithium, because decent lithium batteries can be found for a few dollars more than AGMs. But I don't have room on my boat for the inverter/charger and all the costs of that and all the modules and cables, required to complete a system like that, pushes a lithium project way over my budget. I am installing a Victron shunt to read my power useage and monitor various loads, and I'm adding some fuses at each battery, so I can always upgrade the system later, if it's warranted. I'll be adding a cheap 1000watt pure sine wave inverter to power my TV, DVD
Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium vs AGM
Joe, thanks for the reassurance on the group 27's! That's what I have and I have been worried that I am missing out on something with my old batteries, but we are always tied to a dock as you describe, so I am good ---(for now)! Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 10:57:31 AM EST, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: If you are primarily going dock to dock and don’t care about being anchored out or underway for days, the old standard two group 27 batteries will do just fine, you are only dealing with hours of no engine, not days. I would still go AGM just because I hate wet batteries. We had one crack open in a hurricane and the extra-special smell was not appreciated. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:58 PM To: Stus-List Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium vs AGM Hi Brian, I watched hundreds of videos installing lithium battery systems in sailboats and also in RVs. I found MarineHowTo.com had a link to Victron diagrams and there are many many videos describing each Victron module on YouTube. I didn't go very deep into solar panels, which is probably where I'd start if our boat was on a mooring. My situation is different. Our boat is in a slip with 30amp power available and we enjoy air conditioning, no extra charge. I couldn't build a lithium/solar system large enough to support air conditioning so it lost a lot of attraction. We mostly daysail and return to the slip. When we cruise, my wife prefers a marina over anchoring out, where they have a pool, so we take a slip at a marina and plug in. We enjoy walking strange towns and learning the history and finding good restaurants and live music and meeting new people. It's all part of the adventure of cruising. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis On 02/16/2024 6:03 AM EST nausetbeach--- via CnC-List wrote: Chuck, Bill and any others: I am in a similar position; my batteries are on their last legs. Was hoping to make another season with them but need to dive into LFP batteries as a potential replacement. Some people really like AGM, but my understanding is they need to be brought back to 100% SOC and I am on a mooring so cannot just plug in at the end of the day. Where / what sites have you been using to learn about LFP batteries? So far I have looked [but need to spend more time at] Rod Collins “Marine How To” site, and Ocean Planet. I also need to get up to speed as best as I can on solar – so any suggestions there as well. Have spent some time on the “alltestore . com” site. Thanks, Brian From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 6:15 PM To: Stus-List Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Lithium vs AGM Hey Bill, I am replacing my 12 and 13 year old AGM batteries with AGMs. I spent at least 40 hours this winter learning about Lithium, because decent lithium batteries can be found for a few dollars more than AGMs. But I don't have room on my boat for the inverter/charger and all the costs of that and all the modules and cables, required to complete a system like that, pushes a lithium project way over my budget. I am installing a Victron shunt to read my power useage and monitor various loads, and I'm adding some fuses at each battery, so I can always upgrade the system later, if it's warranted. I'll be adding a cheap 1000watt pure sine wave inverter to power my TV, DVD, chargers and coffee maker. Curious about your project. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis On 02/15/2024 4:27 PM EST Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I'm a little surprised, I would have expected a progressive fellow such as yourself to be jumping into lithium. I am wasting an inordinate amount of time researching charger inverters, and I think although the lithium batteries may come down more in the future, I think because I need new batteries the time is now. Bill Coleman On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 12:34 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: I recently got a big AGM battery that needs a big charger. I have a ProNautic 15 amp charger with a battery temperature probe that is necessary for correct charging of any lead-acid battery. It can charge 1, 2, or 3 batteries and has a lot of settings for various charge profiles. It works fine, it is only being removed because I got a bigger charger. They sell for $350-$400 new, I will send this one to any USA address for $150 shipped. Canada might be more, I would have to check. (Odyssey battery company told me they want their battery charged with at least a 30 amp charger and ideally a lot more,
Stus-List Re: C Custom 52
Awesome boat, awesome photo! thanks for sharing! Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 'Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 11:41:02 AM EST, tjkoller--- via CnC-List wrote: Hi, I crewed on a custom C 52 in 1984 and 1986 owned by Ted Reese from Michigan City, Indiana . We raced the Chicago to Mackinac Island Race on Lake Michigan and won in 1984. It was a beautiful boat with a crew of 14. I thought people might like to see a picture of the boat. Terry Terrence Koller Coyote C 110 Hull #52 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Spinnaker and C 30 mk2
Joe, I have one from a 29-2; the I measurement is 38.5 for the 29-2, and 39 for the 30-1; if interested, let me know, thanks Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 10:06:47 PM EST, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List wrote: Good afternoon gentlemen I’m looking for a spinnaker for C 30 mk1 1974 if has one in good shapeI have a new sailor wanting to buy C 30 mk2 specifically between 88-91In good to great condition with a easy and polite sale, so far he had two rude people sadly Shoot me a text 905 818-1336Fair winds and great season for 2024 Joel Delamirandewww.jdroofing.ca Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 40 PARTS
George, what is the year and model of our 40? thanks Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 04:36:01 PM EST, George Cone via CnC-List wrote: I have many good parts at a great price for sale from a 40 1 ½ oz spinnaker ¾ oz spinnaker Spinnaker pole and strut Whisker pole #1 light mylar headsail – very good condition #3 heavy Storm trysail Storm Headsail Many lines and sheets Variety of blocks Contact me for details George Cone 802-236-4909 gc...@alpinesy.com Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Royal Canadian Yacht CLub
If there is anyone on this list that is a member of the Royal Canadian Yacht Club, please contact me: I have a few questions about a boat berthed there...thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C Corvette 31
Dave, and Rob Mazza; thank you both, that's exactly the kind of input needed! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 01:40:10 PM EST, Dave S via CnC-List wrote: The corvette tugged at my heartstrings before I bought Windstar, and I had a chance to look at several. They are quite a bit "rougher" than later boats (more like smaller boatyard's' stuff) and there were a few issues I saw across several examples. Check the glassed-in knees where the shrouds attach. This had either been repaired or required repair in the boats I had looked at. This repair is not a big deal for a competent amateur. Similarly, several had wet/soft decks. One (sadly) needed much of the cored area rebuilt, and the area around the lazarette could not be trusted to bear my weight. Poor guy would have given me the boat I think. For sure check that.Lastly, two of the boats I had looked at had hydraulic backstay adjusters. Both boats had very distorted topsides at approximately the location where the shrouds attach. It gave the impression that the hull had buckled due to the force of the adjusters. . All that said, I'd buy one at the right price because they are probably pretty easy to work on (myself) and they are very pretty. Good luck. Dave On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 at 12:31, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Is there anyone on this list who has knowledge of or experience with the Corvette model, I have a friend interested in one, but there are none in our area; they are mostly interested in sailing and handling characteristics, maintenance requirements, and any known deficiencies...such as core de-lamination issues, or the like, thanks! Richard1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:11:23 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: 8 oz or 12 oz Rugby Shirts Lighter is a little cheaper but I’m thinking more comfort ? JKC www.candcyachts.com Motion Designs Limited 647 990 7752 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C Corvette 31
Joel, thanks, would you happen to have any other contact information for him? Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:37:32 PM EST, Joel Delamirande wrote: Hi Richard I know someone in Toronto called Dan Erlich that totally refitted his boat to perfection hen on C Facebook group Joel Delamirandewww.jdroofing.ca On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:32 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Is there anyone on this list who has knowledge of or experience with the Corvette model, I have a friend interested in one, but there are none in our area; they are mostly interested in sailing and handling characteristics, maintenance requirements, and any known deficiencies...such as core de-lamination issues, or the like, thanks! Richard1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:11:23 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: 8 oz or 12 oz Rugby Shirts Lighter is a little cheaper but I’m thinking more comfort ? JKC www.candcyachts.com Motion Designs Limited 647 990 7752 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C Corvette 31
Is there anyone on this list who has knowledge of or experience with the Corvette model, I have a friend interested in one, but there are none in our area; they are mostly interested in sailing and handling characteristics, maintenance requirements, and any known deficiencies...such as core de-lamination issues, or the like, thanks! Richard1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:11:23 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: 8 oz or 12 oz Rugby Shirts Lighter is a little cheaper but I’m thinking more comfort ? JKC www.candcyachts.com Motion Designs Limited 647 990 7752 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C Rugby shirts
I like whichever lasts longer, I have some shirts(mostly Tee's) that get raggedy after a few washings...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:11:23 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: 8 oz or 12 oz Rugby Shirts Lighter is a little cheaper but I’m thinking more comfort ? JKC www.candcyachts.com Motion Designs Limited 647 990 7752 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C shirts
Per the rugby shirts...ditto what Charlie said! Richard1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River; Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 02:02:05 PM EST, cenelson--- via CnC-List wrote: I would be in for several rugby shirts as shown. I would also be interested in some polo shirts of similar design and any others (like the 'dry' shirts, etc.) with the same design. Those C in the southern US, etc. would get limited use from a true rugby shirt but a similar designed polo or dry shirt (short or long sleeves) could be worn most of the year. Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1990 C 36XL/kcbNew Bern, NCPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Parting out a C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia
Rod, what happened to the 41? Richard 1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 08:30:11 PM EST, Rod via CnC-List wrote: Hey Fellow C owners, Parting out a 1984 C 41 in Dartmouth Nova Scotia. Everything must go and will likely go quickly. If interested contact Jeff at 902-499-9952 or email at jeffpritchar...@hotmail.com . I owned one great boats, unfortunately this one has to go quickly. Best of Luck. Rod Stright C 99 Halifax, NS Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation)
JK mentioned the submarine sweaters, I gave them to the fam as Christmas gifts and they were well received, my wife wore hers all week long! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 03:15:05 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: Have a license plate holder in the archives. The problem with most of these items is minimum orders to get them produced. I then have consider if I can sell that many. I have stock of many things I thought would sell and haven’t :-( The minimum order for the rugby shirts was a $6000 dollar outlay, so I’ve been very hesitant to go ahead with those. Thought the submariner sweaters would have sold more etc etc JKC www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752 On Jan 1, 2024, at 9:19 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote: Hi- JohnKelly- Another thing you might consider for the chandlery is C license plate holders. If I remember correctly, Edd got ahold of some as swag for one of the C rendezvous's and I have had them on my car ever since. Mine are aging and I would replace them in a heartbeat. Dave David KnechtRear CommodoreThames Yacht ClubNew London, CT On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: If there is enough interest I can add it to www.candcyachts.com I was hoping to grab an original for the archives but I was too late :-( JohnKelly Cuthbertson www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752 On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:52 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: Edd; From the prompt responses to your offer (unfortunately, I was cooking when you sent the message and didn’t see it until a few minutes ago) I think you may have identified an item that John Kelly might want to add to the C Chandlery. I know I’d buy one if they were available. Hope you have a great New Year – even though you’ve become a stinkpotter. Rick BrassImzadi C 38 mk2 #47la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 #225Washington, NC From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 2:22 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation) Listers, Happy new year! I’m giving away my never-worn C Racing polo shirt, size XL. On the front is the C logo with “RACING” underneath. On the back are the nautical flags: Alpha Mike Foxtrot (You’ll have to look it up as to what that means, but here’s a hint: C are so fast that your competition will see this on your back as you pull away.) See: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2jdxgny0u4zp6sgwp8yok/cc-shirt.jpg?rlkey=zsylggrdk09zmttmb4i68lpj8=0 First person to reply that he/she wants it has first dibs. After that. i’ll need $10 via PayPal to cover shipping and for you to make a donation to Stu for the C site/list. I’ll leave it up to you if you want to donate $1 or $100. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseBayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-CVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
To follow Up; I called Rob at South Shore; he was very patient and listened to my tale of woe; he said that there was no "off the shelf" part for this collar and that my best bet would be to have a local machine shop fabricate one; I have looked at the list on McMaster-Carr (sent by Chris Reidinger) and I am not sure if any of those would be a replacement or not, but dsurely something in there should be a place to start...any thought ? Thanks again Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 09:53:00 AM EST, Matthew Wolford via CnC-List wrote: I suggest starting there. If Rob doesn’t have one, he may be able to suggest an alternate source. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Barry McKee via CnC-List wrote: Yes they are. Barry McKee C 29 “Discovery II” Bronte, ON From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: 9-Dec-23 8:24 AM To: Richard Bush Cc: Stus-List; Matthew Wolford Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly Is South Shore Yachts still in business? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Richard Bush wrote: Hi all; Bill is the winner for long distance diagnosing...; there is a chrome "collar" or "nut' which is threaded and the the top of the rudder post which is also threaded; the collar is tightened down over the rudder post and sits on a delrin "washer" which is about 1/8 inch thick. There are two set screws in the collar to keep it tight n the rudder post. The rudder pivots on this assembly when steering the boat. In my case, these set screws apparently loosened up to allow the collar to loosen which caused play in the rudder post. The result was to strip the threads on the collar allowing the rudder to drop. The fix is to get a new collar, which I hope someone here can help my in identifying; there are no markings or part numbers on the collar. Of course, I have lots of photos. For a quick fix, we were able to invert the collar and use the remaining threads ( about 1/2" to 5/8") to hold the rudder in place. I am confident that this will work until I can identify and order the new collar. So it seems I have been lucky and my situation fits under Mike Hoyt's "good case" scenario rather than the whole assembly failing, which is the "bad case" scenario. I feel a lot better than I did 24 hours ago, but will report back on progress. I would have thought the C used the same assembly for all of the rudders regardless of the model of the boat, but maybe not...; If anyone ha any experience or suggestions in locating the "collar, please send them on...Thank you to everyone! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:37:58 PM EST, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I thought there was a nut on the top of the post. If so, it may have come off and it slipped down till the quadrant hit the hull. Obviously you are going to have to go down an look, and all things shall be revealed unto you Bill Coleman Erie PA On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 3:15 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
Chris, that's great, thank you;' now if I can figure out which one Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 03:06:29 PM EST, Chris Riedinger via CnC-List wrote: https://www.mcmaster.com/products/shaft-collars/ They're called shaft collars On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, 10:03 AM Dave S via CnC-List wrote: Or drill and tap the same collar, rotating the holes?Or re-drill the same holes and tap and use a larger screw?Dave ex-33-2 windstar Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2023, at 12:56 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote: Richard…I am sure a competent machine shop can replicate? From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 9:52 AM To: Stus-List Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca; Matthew Wolford Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly I suggest starting there. If Rob doesn’t have one, he may be able to suggest an alternate source. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Barry McKee via CnC-List wrote: Yes they are. Barry McKee C 29 “Discovery II” Bronte, ON From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: 9-Dec-23 8:24 AM To: Richard Bush Cc: Stus-List; Matthew Wolford Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly Is South Shore Yachts still in business? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Richard Bush wrote: Hi all; Bill is the winner for long distance diagnosing...; there is a chrome "collar" or "nut' which is threaded and the the top of the rudder post which is also threaded; the collar is tightened down over the rudder post and sits on a delrin "washer" which is about 1/8 inch thick. There are two set screws in the collar to keep it tight n the rudder post. The rudder pivots on this assembly when steering the boat. In my case, these set screws apparently loosened up to allow the collar to loosen which caused play in the rudder post. The result was to strip the threads on the collar allowing the rudder to drop. The fix is to get a new collar, which I hope someone here can help my in identifying; there are no markings or part numbers on the collar. Of course, I have lots of photos. For a quick fix, we were able to invert the collar and use the remaining threads ( about 1/2" to 5/8") to hold the rudder in place. I am confident that this will work until I can identify and order the new collar. So it seems I have been lucky and my situation fits under Mike Hoyt's "good case" scenario rather than the whole assembly failing, which is the "bad case" scenario. I feel a lot better than I did 24 hours ago, but will report back on progress. I would have thought the C used the same assembly for all of the rudders regardless of the model of the boat, but maybe not...; If anyone ha any experience or suggestions in locating the "collar, please send them on...Thank you to everyone! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:37:58 PM EST, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I thought there was a nut on the top of the post. If so, it may have come off and it slipped down till the quadrant hit the hull. Obviously you are going to have to go down an look, and all things shall be revealed unto you Bill Coleman Erie PA On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 3:15 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribut
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
Hi all; Bill is the winner for long distance diagnosing...; there is a chrome "collar" or "nut' which is threaded and the the top of the rudder post which is also threaded; the collar is tightened down over the rudder post and sits on a delrin "washer" which is about 1/8 inch thick. There are two set screws in the collar to keep it tight n the rudder post. The rudder pivots on this assembly when steering the boat. In my case, these set screws apparently loosened up to allow the collar to loosen which caused play in the rudder post. The result was to strip the threads on the collar allowing the rudder to drop. The fix is to get a new collar, which I hope someone here can help my in identifying; there are no markings or part numbers on the collar. Of course, I have lots of photos. For a quick fix, we were able to invert the collar and use the remaining threads ( about 1/2" to 5/8") to hold the rudder in place. I am confident that this will work until I can identify and order the new collar. So it seems I have been lucky and my situation fits under Mike Hoyt's "good case" scenario rather than the whole assembly failing, which is the "bad case" scenario. I feel a lot better than I did 24 hours ago, but will report back on progress. I would have thought the C used the same assembly for all of the rudders regardless of the model of the boat, but maybe not...; If anyone ha any experience or suggestions in locating the "collar, please send them on...Thank you to everyone! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:37:58 PM EST, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I thought there was a nut on the top of the post. If so, it may have come off and it slipped down till the quadrant hit the hull. Obviously you are going to have to go down an look, and all things shall be revealed unto you Bill ColemanErie PA On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 3:15 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
Bill; thanks, I do agree with the "collective wisdom" because the rudder was usable... we are delving into it later today... Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 04:43:25 PM EST, Matthew Wolford via CnC-List wrote: The collective wisdom appears to be the deck fitting. On my 42, the post is supported at the deck by two bronze rollers (I’ve discussed the design previously). A pin goes through the post and the rollers are held in place with nuts on each end. I had a nut come off several years ago, which nearly caused a catastrophic failure. Inspect the deck fitting. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I thought there was a nut on the top of the post. If so, it may have come off and it slipped down till the quadrant hit the hull. Obviously you are going to have to go down an look, and all things shall be revealed unto you Bill ColemanErie PA On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 3:15 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
Got it...I'll get back in there and find out! Thanks Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:33:25 PM EST, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: I'm afraid you're gonna have to go digging around inside but I agree that it sounds like the quadrant (or hydraulic drive arm if equipped) is what stopped the rudder from dropping further. I'm not familiar with the 37 but on the 37+ the rudder is held up by a stainless bolt with bronze rollers on either side and a nylock holding the whole works together. If the bolt breaks or the nylock comes off and the bolt works its way out, then the rudder would fall. All the best, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD Dec 7, 2023 15:15:10 Richard Bush via CnC-List : Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
Mike thanks; will do...can you give me more details about the pin failing and what the fix would be? Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:23:15 PM EST, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: I think a trip to your boat is warranted. There is usually a pin on the top of the rudder post in the cockpit that stops the rudder post from dropping. First thing is to determine if the entire rudder and post is dropping (good case) and determine why and fix that. If post has not dropped the it may be rudder sliding down the post (bad case) Suspect pin at top of rudder or something easily fixed Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 4:14 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List C 37 Rudder post assembly Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly
Matt thanks; shaft goes up to the cockpit sole where there is a fitting with (I assume) the delrin washer holding the whole assembly; Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:19:23 PM EST, Matthew Wolford via CnC-List wrote: Sounds like the quadrant may have prevented it from falling out. How is it supported at the deck? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2023, at 3:15 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List C 37 Rudder post assembly
Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the steering wheel and had no issues; does anyone have any ideas or suggests about what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make the rudder usable? We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide more information if anyone has questions...Thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River... Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Returning member reminiscing
John, thanks for the info; always happy to hear a boat is going to a good home! Make sure the new owner gets on this list! Also, keep us posted on what you decide, thanks! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 05:48:15 PM EST, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote: Just sold my 1982 37. Draft 5.5! I am thinking the value of all in all system working could-should be around$34K-$39K depending on condition. I HAD to sell as I am moving, 5+ hours from boat so sadly I let her go"AS IS” no survey, no inspection just a $ check! for $30K Its amazing what people expect for $30K New engine new rigging… crazy Tell them its $30K not $300K! and now everyone ( including me) wants the new walk thru transom 2 wheels electric heads, furling main .. … which I know if C were still building would be exactly just that !! Good news is guy who grabbed it is thrilled, and will handle whatever needs to be done and keep her sailing for many years! This Boat sailed great!! It will be very hard to replace sailing abilities. I single handed her 90% of the time with no issues, and I will miss her dearly :( . I am looking for a 2 cabin boat now and in no hurry as I feel prices may be stabilizing a little bit Boat Needs = all systems including A/C working fine!! engine sooner than later Sails 2017? spreader tips, for sure!Standing rigging all need replacement Few moist spots topside Good polish and wax C Smile repairBottom paint been 2+ years Best of luck with your sale!! John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat jconk...@hotmail.com On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:29 PM, Bob Morgan via CnC-List wrote: 6.5 feet. i used to sail a star out of Oxford MD so i understand how limiting a full keel can be. most of the boats life has been in lake ontario and off of CT and RI so the deeper keel has value. From: j...@dellabarba.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 4:09 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Bob Morgan Subject: RE: Stus-List Returning member reminiscing Draft? That is a deciding factor for many of us. Joe Della BarbaCoquina C 35 MK IKent Island MD USA From: bob via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 7:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: b...@quickland.us Subject: Stus-List Returning member reminiscing Every few months I ask my wife if we should sell our beloved 1982 C 37. And being the practical spouse, she says yes. The last time we sailed her was returning from the Block Island rendezvous many years ago. A few of you may remember the rendezvous’ final day as being a sensational sail. A few miles from Stonington our home port we blew out the mainsail. I replaced with a UK with the mast sliders, but havent sailed since.We have the luxury of owning a large boathouse in florida so we have parked her there the last few years. We find our age limits our boating to taking our legacy 40 to stonington each spring and returning in fall.Thanks for allowing me to speak a little of my 49 years of owning five C I have no idea of the financial value of this boat. Possibly you can give me guidance. When buying the boat I installed a Beta (kubota) engine. Has a couple hundred hours on it. While a little reluctant, I am prepared to sell her.Bob Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: chain plate rebed ahead
Peter there are many articles on this is the archives; I agree with Dennis on the Bed it; you should take some time to find out exactly what failed; I would look closely at whatever work was done in the 2011 work; for me personally, I would like to know what you find because I have a 1985 37 also...! thanks Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River: out for repainting... Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 01:27:11 AM EST, Peter McMinn via CnC-List wrote: Greetings,I discovered water via failed bedding at the starboard chain plate had been draining into the cavity behind the settee bulkhead where the plate/nuts are accessible. It's all glassed but the trapped water sloshed during sailing and saturated the unsealed plywood edges of the access port. Now I'm worried about rot around the plate bolts in addition to a wet deck core. Ugh. I've temp sealed the deck plate with Gorilla tape and am considering ways for drying things under deck (we're on a ball so no AC). Once I get a handle on any rot issues, I'll be cleaning/rebedding both chainplates. Any thoughts on this process?Thoughts on using butyl tape for bedding instead of 4200?The nuts/bolts were new when new chainplates were installed in 2011. Should I replace these? The boat is a 1985 37' 6.7 draft Any expertise, references, links will be most appreciated. Peter McMinnSV Sirius _/) Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Strange pipe
Its for rolled up paper chart storage Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Out for repairs Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 01:32:57 AM EDT, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote: Possible cable trace for instruments, engine monitors sent to nav station? Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 8:59:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Doug Mountjoy Subject: Stus-List Strange pipe So I was working on my boat today checking the thru hulls. And found a 3in dia 3 FT long piece of PVC pipe under and otbd ov the aft head sink. I looks like it was factory installed. One end is plugged with a flush teak plug. The open end went through the bulkhead into the space below the nav table. Maybe someone here has a clue, because I don't. I'm getting ready to splash for the winter here. Thanks Douglas Mountjoy 1988 C LF 39 Mexico at large 1984 Sabre 34 Port Orchard, WA Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Wet Vac
We recently had a situation here where a guy was using the wet vac to clean up gasoline...guess what happened...he's in the hospital with 2nd degree burns and in an induced comathe boat was destroyed. Why would someone do that, you ask? He was a life long sailor who had just purchased his first power boat, a 43 ft cruiser! Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Out for repairs... Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:33:00 PM EDT, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote: Agree re wet vac. Best tool for removing fouled bilge water if you have a crankcase oil spill. Just remember to remove the filter when you use as a wet vac. Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:56:45 AM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Wet Vac I think I've stated before that my all-time favorite tool out of all my battery tools and corded tools is a small cordedwet/vac. It has a small, all plastic tank and large and strong motor. I took off the castors and glued a piece of carpet to the bottom, so it dosn't scratch the varnished sole, or the paint on deck. I think it has a five gallon tank and a 5hp motor and an 18 ft long 1 1/2" hose, so it can really reach everywhere in the boat. I keep it in a dock box and use it all the time and lend it out to others. I'd love to have it mounted aboard, but my boat is just too small. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, AnnapolisPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Cruising Gulf Coast
Dennis, that sounds great! I envy you! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; out for repairs Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 11:32:57 AM EDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Getting underway in the morning for 11 days of cruising to Pensacola and back. Weather looks good. Initial itinerary is: Gulfport, MSPelican Cove on south side of Dauphin Island, ALBig Lagoon near Pensacola, FLNavarre Beach, FLPensacola area for 2-4 daysHead home -- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: best coffee making setup on a boat
I agree with Chuck, this is a great conversation and deserves its own heading and link! I've learned more about coffee here than I ever knew...we use a Walmart 4 cup electric drip coffee maker, and thought we were being cool! Ha! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 05:39:17 PM EDT, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: I appreciate all the responses but it might be better to capture your great coffee making ideas under a proper subject title so future coffee nerds can find them. Chuck S Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter
Paul, If I understand your point, it is that we shouldn't be relying on battery power for any appliances or coffee pots...etc.; is there any alternative that doesn't involve solar? thanks! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584: Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 07:12:19 AM EDT, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote: Hi Chuck, First off, 12V * 100 A*hr = 1200 W*hr. But keep in mind that A*hr battery ratings for a 100 A*hr battery is tested typical at 5 amps(or 0.05C). That is your 100 A*hr is 5A * 20hr. At this rate the battery is only providing 12.5V * 5A = 63 Watts. At higher current loads, your effective battery capacity will be much much less due to Peuket Effect losses. In fact, a 100 A*hr rated lead-acid battery at 100 amp load would only provide about 20 A*hr of energy(and lots of heat). To add to the insult, lead acid based batteries like AGM should not be depleted below 50% capacity to limit damage, so reserving 1 battery for start leaves only 50 A*hr for your house bank at loads of about 5 amps. At a 20A load, the 100 A*hr (50 A*hr effective) only provides 60 A*hr (30 A*hr effective). That’s about 30 A*hr / 20A = 1.5 hrs of use. A 1000 W inverter could draw a max of 1000W / 12.5V = 80 Amps (but likely higher due to a voltage drop). This would drain your battery in 6 - 10 minutes. I gave a talk to some local Hams about Solar Off-Grid Systems. I posted the slides on my blog (see link below). On slides 5 & 6, I discuss battery discharge capacity and bank sizes. https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html On Johanna Rose, I have a 2000W inverter charger. When I run my microwave, it draws about 100A from a 560 A*hr LiFePO4 battery. Like Dennis, I have my inverter connected to my panel powering all AC loads except for my A/C unit and water heater. The inverter has a built in transfer switch which automatically (and smoothly) transfers to shore power when available. - Paul E.1981 C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ On Oct 17, 2023, at 7:27 PM, via CnC-List wrote: OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries? One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts. My system can provide 2400 watts but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other battery. Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"? Thanks,Chuck S Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank
Joe, what material is your tank? Most tanks I've seen are one piece molded plastic or fiberglass; if it's aluminum, it might be easier to pull it out and replace with a new plastic one...? Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:39:23 AM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: Anyone else have a water tank in the bow? Mine is leaking, the bolts through the side of it leak and the wood that holds the internal baffle that the bolts are there for is coming apart. Now I need to get the 120 or so bolts off the top to fix it. Joe Coquina Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?
Yes, (chuckle, chuckle) step the mast, otherwise you will end up on one of those facebook epic fail pages..wouldn't want to see that! 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, (out for repairs) Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:37:45 AM EDT, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote: You will need to step the mast. Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: Karl Kuzis via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:16:33 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Karl Kuzis Subject: Stus-List Any thoughts (experience) on trailering? Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me thinking. Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom inspection, paint etc. So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed keel sailboat. The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 trailering? All comments, stories and discussion welcome! Karl and Doris Kuzis Firefly, C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?
Karl; I would recommend looking into it: in looking back on it; our trailer move went very well; we took the time to prep the trailer (new axles and tires) and made sure the boat was situated on the trailer correctly: ( had to use a come-a-long to move the whole boat forward about 3 inches, but it improved the trailer tongue weight noticeably! We also went during mid-day when there was light traffic and no school busses moving about. We had a parade of four vehicles and the required flags and wide load signs. I recommend a cold beer or more afterwards...!If you have specific questions please feel free to call or email me direct, thanks Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:17:15 AM EDT, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List wrote: Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me thinking. Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom inspection, paint etc. So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed keel sailboat. The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 trailering? All comments, stories and discussion welcome! Karl and Doris Kuzis Firefly, C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C
I second Charlie's points about the timing; it took my a while to learn to turn the wheel more slowly to allow the trimmers to get the line in! 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:39:43 AM EDT, cenelson--- via CnC-List wrote: I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar 50s self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local racing needs. I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more reasonable. If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get drop my sails and get into port somewhere!! However, even these winches for the genoa can seem to be underpowered if the helm is not in tune with the headsail as it crosses the boat. I find it especially important to not turn the boat too fast during the tack. The helm needs to turn the wheel slowly, especially within say +/- 10-15 degrees of head to wind, before the genoa begins to fill on the new tack. This will allow most of the new active sheet to be brought in hand over hand with very little pressure on it so that when it fills, there is only a few feet to winch in with a handle. I have found that with a 155% headsail, a 'quick' tack is usually a bad one since the grinders have to seriously grind in too much line with the genoa filled. This is a good example of using better 'timing' during the tack to reduce the serious winching required otherwise. If you are racing, climbing back to close-hauled from a tack that was too fast with the genoa too far out loses a lot of ground to windward to your competitors on every 'fast' tack. BTW, if you add/replace any winches be mindful of where you mount them. My cockpit was originally set up more for cruising so the headsail winches were aft in the cockpit. As I did more club racing, in order to have room in the cockpit for flying a masthead symmetrical kite, I had to move them forward and add a set (44s) to handle the kite. I think the original thought was to fly the kite from winches on the cockpit bulkhead either side of the companionway which were Lewmar 30s. This turned out to be totally underpowered for my kite AND it concentrated too many bodies together at the companionway in each other's way most of the time. Further, even when I moved the 30s to the cockpit coaming aft of the headsail winches, I found the 30s to be underpowered for my kite--thus I replaced them with the 44s. Until I added the 44s, we tried to use the headsail winches for the kite which had plenty of power--however, moving the kite and genoa sheets during racing was much too confusing and time consuming. FWIW Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C
Jeffrey, I feel your pain...I have a 37, and it has gi-normous winches, I downsized from a 155 to a 135 just to ease the energy load needed...(75 this month) If I were getting new winches, I would go electric! They will increase the sale price of the boat some day too! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584* (hauled out for repairs) Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:46:16 AM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List wrote: Hello all,I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion. If there has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar, self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not adequate -- in a moderate wind with a 155 genoa it takes two crew cranking with all their strength to bring the sheet in far enough. I and the crew are not getting younger, either -- average age about 65 to 70. I don't know the details of gear ratios and power ratio for these old Lewmars, but am investigating so I have that as a reference. If any of you C, or similar sized boat, owners have recommendations for replacement, 2-spd, self-tailing winches, I would be grateful. I frequently sail solo and hope to be able to continue for another 10 to 15 years (if I live to be 80!), so I need to factor that in the decision. Also, any experiences or recommendations for the actual removal and installation would be great too! Thanks. Jeff Laman1981 C HarmonyLudington, MI Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Centerboard repair C 32
Macdara; welcome to the list; there are many owners with the centerboard boats; the mechanics of the centerboard is reasonable simple, however, the wear and tear on a given boat can be troublesome; your photos are good: I am not aware of any readily available replacement parts for C centerboards, but someone else on the list may have better information; I think your best bet is to get the boat in a sling and lower the board and look up in the cavity to see if there is any damage or rot; if there is, you can address it by re-glassing the area or encapsulating the rotted area; these boats were built strong and it would take something like a direct grounding to cause structural damage. Good luck with your project and please report back with your findings and any repairs you decide to make; Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:23:12 AM EDT, Macdara Vallely via CnC-List wrote: Hi,I tried posting this before but not sure if anyone got it.To cut a long story short, I want to repair the area where the CB hardware attaches to the bilge. It is partially delaminated and the underlying wood is sodden and there is a little bit of rot appearing.It's a daunting task and a potential can of worms, but if I leave it it's just going to get worse.Anyone tackled anything like this before? Anyone have the technical drawings for the area mentioned? Thanks in advance,MacdaraPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: 1984 C 37 CB version question
John, I had to chuckle at your comments; aptly put! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 03:03:29 PM EDT, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote: Can’t agree more with all those comments Engine access a joke! Same for rear steering area…. Close Impossible for most (me) But boy does she sail great!! And quick has won every local regatta at least once! She is also being listed Shortly 1982 - standard 37 Fixed keel modified with Mars bulb to 5’6” draft Open to all offers! John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat > On Aug 23, 2023, at 1:50 PM, Hans Reinhardt via CnC-List > wrote: > > Joe, > After saying that my boat has the full keel I’ll second Richard’s comments > with the following additions: > First and most importantly, the 37’s are delightfully spritely and quick. :-) > They are a bit the performance sedan (BMW, etc.) of their era. And comfy, > too. So, what seems to have been traded off for that? As there isn’t much > flotation from the shallow, aft hull-form, cockpit occupancy and stern weight > affect performance, especially upwind. Not that it has ever felt unsafe for > my use. The fairly aft fuel tank could be bigger (and placed differently) if > much motoring is necessary - in the PNW low wind and tidal currents often > rule. The engine compartment size limits choices if re-enginning is > necessary. Likewise, the steering gear space seems awkwardly tight. I’m sure > I can think of more quibbles but they’re even deeper in the realm of what > compromises one makes. > ;-) > All the best, > … and have fun with it all > Hans R > S\V Ete’ CnC 37 1982 > Seattle-ish WA > -- > Hans Reinhardt > 206-890-8256 > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help > me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Karl, that's exactly my concern...I would like to have seen photos of that! Thanks Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:51:28 PM EDT, Karl Erickson via CnC-List wrote: They guy who has a wrap here did hit the dock last year and put a pretty large rip in it. Not repairable. He had that side replaced this spring. Karl EricksonSeaBaticalC 34Lake Michigan On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List wrote: The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.Lifespan 10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal. Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am digging deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho where painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers who have some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG lake). Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option becomes obvious) Karl Kuzis Firefly C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099 On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them? Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PA On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List wrote: A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. Karl Erickson On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List wrote: Another random idea Could you consider a vinyl wrap? Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or experience? Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly George Cone Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them? Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PA On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List wrote: A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. Karl Erickson On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List wrote: Another random idea Could you consider a vinyl wrap? Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or experience? Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly George Cone Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Glen, if I had the wherewithall Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:59:02 PM EDT, Glen Eddie wrote: Red. Red. Red. Get Outlook for Android | | | Glen Eddie | | | Legal services provided through J. Glen Eddie Professional Corporation | | Tel: 416-777-5357 | | Fax: 1-888-812-2557 | | | | ged...@torkinmanes.com | | VCard | | | Torkin Manes LLP | | Barristers & Solicitors | | Ranked the #1 Ontario Regional Law Firm by Canadian Lawyer | | 151 Yonge Street, Suite 1500 Toronto ON M5C 2W7 | | torkinmanes.com | | An international member of Ally Law This email message, and any attachments, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain content that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this email message. Thank you. | | | From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 12:30:59 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting JK; that is cool! I didn't know it was available: is this something I can purchase? I'll take two! let me know! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:27:20 AM EDT, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: This will give a reference for original C colours | | C Colour Chartmotiondesignslimited.com | | | www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752 One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more Click Here. Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
JK; that is cool! I didn't know it was available: is this something I can purchase? I'll take two! let me know! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:27:20 AM EDT, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote: This will give a reference for original C colours | | C Colour Chartmotiondesignslimited.com | | | www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752 One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Dennis; I'll do better than that..I will forward all of these email to him! and Thank You! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 07:40:00 AM EDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft 2000 because of the ease of repair. It was damaged in Hurricane Sally. Both port and starboard. I had the entire boat repainted. Got some scratches on the starboard side a couple years ago in Hurricane Ida. Had it repaired last year. The painter only sprayed the damaged area and a bit more. The Awlcraft repaired well. The painter taped the area off rather than feathering it out. Matched well but I can see the tape line up close. From 20 feet you can't. Color is red so some minor fading was expected. It was rumoured that Touche' had been painted with Imron prior to my purchasing it. Can't really comment because it was never verified. I sanded the topsides prior to the Awlcraft. Discuss with your painter his process for priming prior to applying any topcoat. --Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:52 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed. The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily. They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Brian, thanks I will recommend that to the painters; Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:41:01 AM EDT, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List wrote: Richard, I am looking at a potential next boat which might need some topside painting, and a very knowledgeable friend said while Awlgrip is the hardest surface, the pigment is not consistent through the paint thickness which makes any scratches more apparent. Awlcraft, while a little softer surface, is easier to apply initially and repair in the future. FWIW - He had his last 2 boats painted with Alexseal and they looked great after 8 years. Easy to apply and can be repaired. Brian From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:25 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and stripes blue on the chart! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote: Hi Richard, 1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through. I had a similar episode a few years ago. I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say awgrip couldn't be repaired. There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to be easier to repair. When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast. I was very happy with the results. As far as color, flag blue is always stunning. We went with stars and stripes blue on Rum Runner. It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my eye. Awlgrip is a really tough finish. I'm not sure if I'd go for something else given awlgrip's history and reputation. UNLESS, there was a huge cost savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron. Best of luck! Danny On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed. The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily. They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and stripes blue on the chart! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote: Hi Richard, 1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through. I had a similar episode a few years ago. I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say awgrip couldn't be repaired. There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to be easier to repair. When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast. I was very happy with the results. As far as color, flag blue is always stunning. We went with stars and stripes blue on Rum Runner. It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my eye. Awlgrip is a really tough finish. I'm not sure if I'd go for something else given awlgrip's history and reputation. UNLESS, there was a huge cost savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron. Best of luck! Danny On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed. The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily. They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Matt, thanks, that's encouraging! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 07:30:31 AM EDT, Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote: My first boat was a Ranger 26 that I bought around 1990. It had fallen into a state of disrepair and needed a lot of work, including a paint job. The guy who painted it also suggested Imron because scratches can be repaired more easily. As I recall, the paint was developed for cars. In any event, we painted the boat white with Imron. It is on its second owner since me, and the paint job has held up well for over 30 years. From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 6:20 AM To: Stus-List Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting Hi Richard, 1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through. I had a similar episode a few years ago. I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say awgrip couldn't be repaired. There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to be easier to repair. When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast. I was very happy with the results. As far as color, flag blue is always stunning. We went with stars and stripes blue on Rum Runner. It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my eye. Awlgrip is a really tough finish. I'm not sure if I'd go for something else given awlgrip's history and reputation. UNLESS, there was a huge cost savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron. Best of luck! Danny On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed. The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily. They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Charlie, thanks, I'll take a look at the Aristo blue on the chart! We are committed to repainting the entire hull at this point, so at least it will all match for a while! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 08:54:11 AM EDT, cenel...@aol.com wrote: I had Water Phantom repainted 10+ years ago with Awlgrip—used Aristo Blue since the Flag Blue original color was so dark as to be almost black and I wanted something brighter. Several years in (5?) after a serious encounter with a piling caused by trying to dock her in a flood tide running perpendicular to the slip, her port side was seriously banged up abeam about 6 ft by 3 ft section. The yard (mostly sailboats) was managed by a former boat painter. He repaired it properly and so well that after he was done, I could not tell where the repair was done with my hands or eyes closeup! Whether he feathered or matched I don’t know but he did it so well it was “…like it never even happen…” as he said his goal was with such repairs. if your painter is capable of such work, you should not be able to see his repair, especially at the 10 ft away distance IMHO. If he is not very skilled, it might be wise to do the entire half hull at a minimum—after all, it’s hard to compare hull sides in or out of the water with one set of eyes! Charlie NelsonWater Phantom Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Tuesday, August 22, 2023, 12:52 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed. The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily. They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Hull painting
Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed. The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily. They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions! Richard 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: 1984 C 37 CB version question
Joe, my boat is a 1985 model, but there were only minor cosmetic changes to these boats; the basic hulls and deck layouts were seldom changed; I am not aware of any general issues, these boats, (as you know) are built like tanks, and the 37 was aimed at the cruising market, so it is pretty beefy; I have had zero issues with the design or sailing characteristics, (except for the cramped engine quarters); I have all of the spec sheets for my boat and will be happy to share them if there is any particular area you want to take a closer look at...; let me know of any other questions you have, thanks! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 11:40:12 AM EDT, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: I see one for sale for a pretty reasonable price and it will get into my slip. Is there some problem with this year/model over and above the generic things that can happen to all boats? Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement
Joe, thanks: we do have one on there, but I like the idea of two! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:15:45 AM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: FYI – If you are worried about it getting loose, tie a line tight from the port to starboard rail that will hold it up in the trunk. If you think the pivot is going to let go tie TWO lines! Joe Coquina Ps – this all probably explains why you see a boat for sale every now and again with the board removed or missing. Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement
Bill, thanks for the suggestion; and yes, we listened for that, and other things, like the Head door banging, but it is clearly coming from the centerboard trunk; I can even see the saloon table vibrate when it hits! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:33 PM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: Are you sure it is coming from the CB and not the stern? We get some pretty hard THUNKING sometimes when there is a following wind, even in the slip if the little wave hits just right under the stern. Bill Coleman Erie PA On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 11:14 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Joe, thanks; this is a new development, we haven't had this "thump" noise before... we did run a line but weren't able to get a result we were sure of: I wasn't able to do a dive on the keel, but plan to do that as soon as I can; thanks! Richard1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, MIlr 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:48:22 AM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: Do you suspect the centerboard is actually down? Even in murky water, it seems like a 20 second dive would give you the answer, unless the murk is caused by something nasty you don’t want to swim in. You could always run a line from one side of the boat to the other and walk aft and see if you can tell if the board is hanging down. Assuming it goes up and down as usual, the thunk would be side to side movement that the cable cannot change. Some boats just do this, I have heard of people swimming down and stuffing a sponge or two in the slot to get a quite night’s sleep. Joe Coquina From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 4:09 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Richard Bush Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement Hi all; I have a 1985 C 37 with a centerboard; with the boat tied at the dock (we are at a fixed dock on a river) we notice a thunk sound that seems to be centerboard moving side-to-side when there was wave action; however, the centerboard cable remains tight and in its usual position (the centerboard is normally on the "up" position, with the cable connected to a rope line which is on a cabin top winch. The line was replaced with new line last winter and is in good condition). We were not able to see the bottom of the keel because the river water is too murky. Does anyone have any suggestions or information about replacing the centerboard cable; can this be done in the water with a diver? Any other ideas welcome, thank you. Richard 1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584. Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Fw: Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement
Charlie, thank you for your quick response; if the cable does fail and the centerboard shears off, does it affect the integrity of the hull? Also, I am being hauled out in a week or so, and was waiting to look at it then, but I take it you recommend having someone look at it immediately? Thanks again! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 02:02:38 PM EDT, cenelson--- via CnC-List wrote: Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS Begin forwarded message: On Monday, August 14, 2023, 12:01 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: Hey Richard, My 36XL (1995) has a centerboard rigged identically as yours and I have had the board replaced when my cable parted after ~ 16 years. Thus I am more familiar with my cb than I’d like!! 1. If the sound is ‘new’ and it does this with the board up, something has changed so that the board can swing a little athwartship—puzzling to be sure—since there is likely little room for this given a pretty tight fit between the cb trunk walls and the board sides. Plus, the board pivots on a pin about 4 inches in diameter so again hard to see how it can ‘swing’ even a little? 2. If there is enough visibility in the river, I think the cable could be replaced in the water with a diver after it’s lowered fully (cable stop disabled so the board hangs further forward than in the normal down position). Finding a diver willing to do this is another matter! 3. Given the consequences of a failed cable, pivot pin, etc. I recommend that you get a diver to at least have a good look while you are on board to move the board up and down. If your cable fails in the board up position, the weighted board will fall, hitting the forward part of the trunk with such force that it likely will shear the board off the pin as the board continues forward and down to the bottom. Definitely not a fun day on the water—no need to ask how I know!! Good luck! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Monday, August 14, 2023, 4:09 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Hi all; I have a 1985 C 37 with a centerboard; with the boat tied at the dock (we are at a fixed dock on a river) we notice a thunk sound that seems to be centerboard moving side-to-side when there was wave action; however, the centerboard cable remains tight and in its usual position (the centerboard is normally on the "up" position, with the cable connected to a rope line which is on a cabin top winch. The line was replaced with new line last winter and is in good condition). We were not able to see the bottom of the keel because the river water is too murky. Does anyone have any suggestions or information about replacing the centerboard cable; can this be done in the water with a diver? Any other ideas welcome, thank you. Richard 1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584. Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement
Joe, thanks; this is a new development, we haven't had this "thump" noise before... we did run a line but weren't able to get a result we were sure of: I wasn't able to do a dive on the keel, but plan to do that as soon as I can; thanks! Richard1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, MIlr 584; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:48:22 AM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: Do you suspect the centerboard is actually down? Even in murky water, it seems like a 20 second dive would give you the answer, unless the murk is caused by something nasty you don’t want to swim in. You could always run a line from one side of the boat to the other and walk aft and see if you can tell if the board is hanging down. Assuming it goes up and down as usual, the thunk would be side to side movement that the cable cannot change. Some boats just do this, I have heard of people swimming down and stuffing a sponge or two in the slot to get a quite night’s sleep. Joe Coquina From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 4:09 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Richard Bush Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement Hi all; I have a 1985 C 37 with a centerboard; with the boat tied at the dock (we are at a fixed dock on a river) we notice a thunk sound that seems to be centerboard moving side-to-side when there was wave action; however, the centerboard cable remains tight and in its usual position (the centerboard is normally on the "up" position, with the cable connected to a rope line which is on a cabin top winch. The line was replaced with new line last winter and is in good condition). We were not able to see the bottom of the keel because the river water is too murky. Does anyone have any suggestions or information about replacing the centerboard cable; can this be done in the water with a diver? Any other ideas welcome, thank you. Richard 1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584. Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement
Hi all; I have a 1985 C 37 with a centerboard; with the boat tied at the dock (we are at a fixed dock on a river) we notice a thunk sound that seems to be centerboard moving side-to-side when there was wave action; however, the centerboard cable remains tight and in its usual position (the centerboard is normally on the "up" position, with the cable connected to a rope line which is on a cabin top winch. The line was replaced with new line last winter and is in good condition). We were not able to see the bottom of the keel because the river water is too murky. Does anyone have any suggestions or information about replacing the centerboard cable; can this be done in the water with a diver? Any other ideas welcome, thank you. Richard 1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584. Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Bottom paint- Pettit Black Widow
Ditto for me too! Thank you fro reporting back! Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 09:21:40 AM EDT, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Thanks, David. That’s good to know. Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Aug 9, 2023, at 08:49, David Knecht via CnC-List > wrote: > > I had my boat painted with Pettit Black Widow this spring after hearing some > positive comments about it from members of this list. I wanted to report > back to others considering it that my diver says my boat has had the cleanest > bottom in the mooring field all season. He has dropped the cleaning > frequency from every 2 weeks to every 3 weeks and still has very little > cleaning to do even with that. He is now convinced and telling other owners > how good that paint is (in our area at least). Dave > > David Knecht > Rear Commodore > Thames Yacht Club > New London, CT > > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help > me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove
Joe, I feel your pain!: My insurance Co. (BoatUS-Geico) made me remove my CNG
tank because it wasn't in a dedicated locker...we don't cook onboard much so it
wasn't a big deal, but I wasn't happy about it; the regs allow a CNG tank under
100 cubic feet; you will be better off with propane;
Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584
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Stus-List Re: Finally we have launched for the season!
Looks awesome! great job Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wed, May 24, 2023 8:24 am Subject: Stus-List Finally we have launched for the season! Topsides paint job is now complete with boot and cove stripes and the boat back together and in the water We are very pleased with the work done by East River Shipyard in Nova Scotia The end result can be seen here www.hoytsailing.com Aside from 2020 when marine services in our club were shut down into May this is the latest we have ever launched! Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: American Magic on Pensacola Bay
Awesome photos, Dennis! You can also see how big those boats are...! Richard s/v Bushmark4, 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Sent: Thu, May 11, 2023 4:01 pm Subject: Stus-List American Magic on Pensacola Bay Was sailing Touche' on Pensacola Bay yesterday afternoon after the sea breeze filled in. The New York Yacht Club's AC40, American Magic, was on the bay practicing. American Magic and chase boats made a couple of passes near us. One was about 200 yards off our stern. Breeze was about 10-11 knots. They were using one of their larger headsails. It is REALLY fast! Here's pics I snagged as it "flew" by. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-jyFZ85piLSD5NcuGp9yoJSaEJArBYRo?usp=share_link Here's the link to the team's recap of the day. Dang it! Touche' didn't make the edit. :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqX-J8CCJl4 -- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: winch mounting project
Dave, that looks really good to me! I'm sure Dennis or others can advise about the gelcoat, but I could live with it that way; Is you new winch an electric winch? What does the underside look like? are there any exposed bolts in the cabin? Thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: David Knecht via CnC-List To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Sent: Wed, May 10, 2023 10:41 am Subject: Stus-List Re: winch mounting project I finished my winch project yesterday and am quite happy with the result. I used an aluminum plate as adapter as I had planned which I drilled and tapped for the Harken mounting holes. Then I was able to reuse a number of the old through deck holes plus several new ones to mount the plate (bed-it butyl underneath). I am not happy with the white epoxy I used to fill the 2 exposed old holes (you can see one just to the right of the winch). What do others use to try to match the gelcoat and get a flat or textured surface? Dave https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9mkyprjmQSaSBLUrQY4lHw.CzlycRs1-zBDtkut0IoMkz S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Pedestal brand
That sounds like a really fun sail! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Bob Mann via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Bob Mann Sent: Sun, Apr 30, 2023 10:37 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Pedestal brand I was at the boat Saturday -- yes, it has an M on the nut. Great shake-down sail. Winds were about 12 (no instruments hooked up yet) according to the yacht club's weather station and we were doing 7.4-7.7 (SOG according to GPS) with a 150 at about 50 degrees apparent. Bob On 04/27/2023 4:46 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: The one on my 35-1 is a Morch. Bet yours is also. Does the nut have an "M" on it? Here's a pic of it removed and stripped for painting. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_sb5TfIENvsRmxKZ0ttcXZUTlVIQ1E5c0FXOTdKRFRfNTRz/view?usp=share_link=0-fhweRaXy_gB6s8nr4W0Y0A -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 9:08 AM Bob Mann via CnC-List wrote: Does anyone know the pedestal brand C used in 1971 (35 mk I)? I've been talking with Edson and he doesn't believe it's one of theirs. Bob Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft
Dennis, the re[pairs looks great! Richard s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Dennis C. Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 5:00 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft Promised pics of the Awlcraft repair. Launched Touche' yesterday. The scuff marks were repaired. Again, the paint was Awlcraft 2000 Sunfast Red. Before repair: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQt41lVzJan53DjasgmSXMALKRj7IwaJ/view?usp=share_link After repair: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EnrZpVRYDwe5EH9bfv79bJeAuRaPFuFb/view?usp=share_link -- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Pedestal brand
Could it be Cinkel? (not sure bout spelling) Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Chuck Gilchrest Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 1:28 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Pedestal brand It might be a Morch pedestal which appeared on several C yachts in the early years. Take a picture and post a link to that photo and I can probably identify it. For the record, parts for a Morch pedestal are pretty much unicorns at this point.Chuck Gilchrest Former Edson guyLandfall 35 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2023, at 10:57 AM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote: Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft
Charlie, thanks, great story...and a lesson to remember! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Sent: Sat, Apr 22, 2023 4:29 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft I strongly 'second' Dennis' views on the quality of the painter. My boat came from the factory with a painted hull (1995) and it was a terrific looking deep Navy Flag blue. Over the years (about 15) it had faded and needed redone so I bit the bullet and she went into the paint shed (without mast!). Since the paint (Awlgrip I think) had too be sprayed, it was above my pay grade to attempt it myself. The yard was then managed by a former boat painter who had lots of experience and the result, a slightly lighter blue (Aristo Blue?) was again dazzling. Another 5-6 years go by and with only 2 on board, I managed to get it crosswise to a strong tidal current in Beaufort, NC trying to get into a slip. Instead of waiting for the current to slow, I stubbornly went ahead--big mistake! As you can imagine, my docking didn't go well and I ended up pinned against a piling on the port side while we desperately tried to get a line to the starboard side to pull us off. Rescued by a nice lady who knew about the strong tidal currents, she tied a line for us to starboard and we managed to winch the boat off the port side piling. Needless to say, my port side paint job was now in shambles! Back to the same yard that had painted her previously for the repair. The same yard manager prepared about a ~ 8 ft x 3 ft rectangular section enclosing the damage (nothing structural) and did his magic. Before it went back in the water, I inspected the hull while she was in the lift and I could not tell where the damage had been or even where the edges of the rectangular section were. He told me then that he painting goal was (like the commercial for the ServicePro clean-up service after a fire or water damage to a structure or home) to "...make it look like it never even happened..." and he certainly succeeded. My chances of doing it that well were somewhere between exceeding slim and none (and more likely negative) and reminded me of the adage that just because you CAN DIY doesn't mean that you SHOULD DIY. Unfortunately the yard manager/painter retired (I kidded him that I paid for his home in the islands!) so if I ever need my hull painted, I have to find someone else. YMMV and good luck finding a good painter--hopefully before you tell him to go ahead! Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XLkcb Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Sail Therapy trip
Tom, be sure to document your trip with lots of photos and log the details, maybe even you tube the trip! It will be a great trip! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 All - After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The Admiral, I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo. It should be a great experience- I hope. My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 wks later in Buffalo. A bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning. Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement ! TomTherapy 29 Mk2 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Persistence
Mike, thanks! I love hearing that kind of info; that's what makes it fun for me to follow along with everyone's trial and tribulations! As it happens, I am getting ready to have my boat repainted also; the boat next to mine in the marina came loose and laid into my hull; they can fix the gouges, but the whole boat needs repainting! Let me know any ideas or suggestions you have! Thanks again! Richard s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Richard Bush Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:57 am Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: Persistence Hi Richard I thought I was replying directly to Bob – OOPS Persistence is currently at East River Shipyard in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia near Chester (www.eastrivershipyard.ca). There was some deep gouging along the port bow extending back about 8 feet due to an incident during a Wednesday evening race in June 2022. ERSY has repaired the damage and painted the topsides of the entire boat. We are quite excited to have a new paint job that has no scratches or owies (until we start sailing and docking again). Home Club is the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron in Halifax, NS (www.rnsys.com) where Bob and I are both members. Most years Persistence is one of or the first boat launched – usually first week of April. Persistence absence is noted for that reason East River is just under 8 hours from Halifax by boat. It is an easy trip that we have done many times (Chester Race Week, cruises, etc…) Sorry for the confusion Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, Nova Scotia www.hoytsailing.com From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Sent: April 21, 2023 11:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence Mike and Bob, for those of us who are uninformed...where is the boat now and where is the "club"? Richard s/v Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Hoyt, Mike Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence Hi Bob The boot stripes and name are going on today and the boat is being launched next week. Shortly after that we will bring it back Mike Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Persistence
Mike and Bob, for those of us who are uninformed...where is the boat now and where is the "club"? Richard s/v Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Hoyt, Mike Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence Hi Bob The boot stripes and name are going on today and the boat is being launched next week. Shortly after that we will bring it back Mike Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft
Dennis, thanks; we are blessed in that the repair shop here does have a such a person; would you recommend that the hull should be repainted with Awlcraft over the existing Awlgrip? Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Dennis C. Sent: Thu, Apr 20, 2023 1:10 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft Richard, Here's a good site that explains the differences: https://www.bottompaintstore.com/blog/topside-paint-how-to/awlgrip-vs-awlcraft-2000-differences/ IMHO, repairing Awlgrip requires a painter that really knows how to blend, feather and buff.-- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft
Dennis and David; are Awlcraft and Awlgrip the same or similar products? I am in the process of having repairs done to my hull; it was painted with Awlgrip in 2013; any suggestions? Thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: David Knecht via CnC-List To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Sent: Wed, Apr 19, 2023 11:19 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft I am in the same position, but I can’t blame it on a hurricane (my stupidity instead). Had the topsides painted in 2021 with Awlcraft 2000 and it looked great. Last mark of the last race of the season in 2021 I was single-handing and put the boat on autopilot to take the whisker pole down at the leeward mark. Took longer than it should have and I was not paying attention and looked up to see the boat headed directly at the government nun buoy I was supposed to round. Didn’t get back to the helm in time and hit it dead on (taking a chunk out of the bow under the roller) and then scraped along the starboard side, trashing my new paint job. I installed an autopilot remote control (Madman Marine) last week to (hopefully) keep that from ever happening again. Dave Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Boom delivery
.nnnd ... do you call Starboard on the neighboring cars and trucks... (I do) Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Randal Stafford To: Richard Bush Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thu, Apr 6, 2023 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom delivery Thanks Richard. That is funny, “gybe the pole!” When we’re towing the trailer I call out what point of sail we’re on given the wind. My wife rolls her eyes. Cheers,Randy Sent from my iPhone Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Boom delivery
Randy, that's a great story...I love happy endings! I did something similar a few years back; I transported a 12 ft spinnaker pole from Fla. to our home in Kentucky on the roof of a small car. It was really fun going down the interstate and yelling gybe the pole...! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List To: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Cc: Stus-List ; Randy Stafford Sent: Wed, Apr 5, 2023 5:32 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Listers in North Carolina? Hi Chuck, Yes, we saw a bunch of kiteboarders and windsurfers on the sound side of Hatteras near Avon. We were there during a gale warning - the ferries even shut down. Regarding the boom, I looked on Selden’s website for dealers in the US and contacted a half-dozen of them. I learned that shipping a new boom to Colorado was going to cost me $1K (yes, seriously). Meanwhile I already had a three-week trip planned with my travel trailer to the Florida panhandle (St. George Island State Park, fantastic place), St. Augustine where a race week was happening coincidentally, Charleston, the Outer Banks, and home via Nashville and Lake of the Ozarks. Omar Sails in New Bern, NC is a Selden dealer and was one of the half-dozen I contacted. Craig Beavers there was by far the most responsive and helpful of all the dealers I contacted. He told me there is a Selden manufacturing site in Charleston, and confirmed I could pick up the boom there myself and transport it home in my travel trailer (which has 24’ finished space). So I ordered the boom from Craig, and stopped at Selden about a week ago and met the guys who built it, and we stuffed it into my trailer. It was an obvious and easy way to save $1K in shipping. Annapolis was not on the itinerary for this trip, but thanks for the offer! Cheers, Randy Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: To sell or not to sell
I second, (third) the, "take-it-yourself" approach espoused by Andy, Joe and
others; what a wonderful opportunity!
Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1095 C 37; CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville,
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
Juliano, I need to correct one thing, I said "gauge" when I meant the transducers...hope I did confuse you, thanks! Richard s/v/ Bushmark4, 1984 C 37, CB, Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Juliano Franz Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 3:19 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location Thanks, Richard! I guess it is time to start cutting. I like the idea of a prefab frame; hopefully I can find one locally. @Wolford, the 25 has an in-hull transducer that doesn't work anymore; the depth readings were also displayed inside on the forward bulkhead for whatever reason At least there is not core on the hull =] Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
Juliano; I had a 25, and I did exactly what you outline as the "green marker" option; we cut the bulkhead under the v-birth and put a teak cabinet frame and door there, (bought a prefab one from Defender Marine, but they are available in most any marine supplier now days) and installed the depth, (and speed) gauges in the hull; access was easy and we gained more storage space...: Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Juliano Franz Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 2:37 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location Hi all, Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25 Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 inches round) and add the transducer: Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in the red marker *inside* the hull. Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be a bit exposed (second picture of the link) Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner wall (orange mark)that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass hull and then cut a hole on the green mark. Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place :) Thanks! Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Chandleries
Chuck, I wanted to thank you for the insight on the chandleries...it is so helpful to have the "inside" view of these places; due to my location I rely on internet for almost all purchases and I have no way to compare one from another, except for my own purchases. I would love to be able to go to one of the retail outlets! Thanks for sharing! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37, Ohio River, mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Novabraid via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2023 1:51 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Chandleries Having been a supplier to many marine chandleries over the past 20+ years while working for Edson and now Novabraid, there’s definitely been some decline in quality retail access in the past 24 months. Surprisingly many of these issues came in the wake of a huge surge in retail boat and accessory sales during and just after the height of the pandemic and may boat supply businesses had record sales during this period, despite some of the supply chain challenges that occurred. Perhaps those business owners are taking their profits to the bank and streamlining their sales channels to avoid bankruptcy if a recession occurs. Obviously, prices are rising as a function of inflation and transportation costs and many retail business struggle to find qualified employees. West Marine was renowned for hiring retirees who would work part time to get the employee discount but I think most of those folks have weighed anchor and retired for good. My nephew has been an assistant manager at a West Marine for several years and they’ve been forced to scale back to a 5 day work week as they only had two employees for the entire store, a manager and an assistant.Defender, unfortunately is going through a rather difficult transition under new ownership and most of my sailing friends are struggling with their new website. They’re currently remodeling the retail outlet, downsizing display areas and relying far more on their phone customer service team to help with product applications rather than their in store counter help. I’ve been told it will be up to speed in a few weeks, but this is the start of boat prep season in New England and the Northeast so they could not have picked a worse time to shut down the retail store.One outlet that folks haven’t mentioned is Hamilton Marine up in Maine. They’ve got a pretty comprehensive product selection and pricing is typically a bit less than you’ll find at West Marine. 5 store locations as well. Not a super discount place, but their staff is pretty seasoned without much turnover. You probably won’t find the latest and greatest new Harken carbon fiber maxi yacht winches there, but for hardware, bottom paint, and mooring chain, they do just fine.And there’s always the local “head of the harbor” marine store at the hometown boatyard. Yes, you’ll pay more for that bottom paint, but giving them some business on the retail side means they’re more likely to have the water pump impeller you need when your boat starts overheating the day before you leave on your summer cruise.Have a great season, y’all,Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 Landfall 35Padanaram, MA Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Chandleries
Dennis, you noted that the diesel lubricity additive you use is from Tractor Supply; what brand and any particulars? Would you recommend that additive for any diesel (or at least any Yanmar...)? Thanks! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Dennis C. Sent: Fri, Mar 10, 2023 1:07 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Chandleries Vendors I sometimes use, right or wrong: bottompaintstore.com thezincguy.com, boatzincs,com https://gregsmarinewiresupply.com/ Hodges Marine For electronics: thegpsstore.com Fisheries Supply Jamestown Distributors eBay, Amazon and, strangely enough, the diesel lubricity additive I use I buy at Tractor Supply. :) -- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again
Taylor Swift/Lady Gaga? Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: wolf...@erie.net Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2023 10:36 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again I think you mean Ginger/Maryanne. -Original Message- From: Dave S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 10:24 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Dave S Subject: Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again This is a Betty/Veronica conversation….for those of a certain age. (Lol.) Build Quality aside, This fun discussion is totally dependent on how you wish to use the boat. I’m in the process of buying my next boat - an alubat ovni - and I’m sure it’ll sail like a barge compared to my c 33ii. It doesn’t have the interior volume, walk through transom, twin helms or owners cabin of a modern centre cockpit/aft cabin design, which would necessarily have exposed rudders, a huge high dodger and an elevated cockpit sole. (The latter is a pain point for me in newer boats under, say 45’). The design/features compromise of the boat I chose do suit my intended use. I do think that vintage is often more relevant that builder - most mass production builders’ designs of a given period have a lot in common My C$.02. Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again
I was pleased to read Andrew Burton's comments about the modern trendy boats (hylas, oyster, moody, Holland, Bavaria, Dufour etc., ); when someasked him what to avoid, he said..."... I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds." Andy, thank you, thank you; I have long felt that way, and it is nice to hear a person with your experience (and credentials) finally say it! That is a major reason I have held on to my C 37; boats that can provide what it provides are going to cost 10 times what I have in my boat and don't handle as well..! Richards/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Andrew Burton Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2023 5:34 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again Not really. I’m just not a fan of that ilk. Plus the interiors tend to be a bit ikea-ish with lots of sharp corners and few handholds. Andrew Burton On Feb 22, 2023, at 17:32, DJ via CnC-List wrote: Andy, Would have any suggestions as to what to stay clear of? On Feb 22, 2023 4:21 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Danny, I’ve delivered several modern fat-assed boats and though they tick a lot of boxes, they do not sail well unless you’re on your ear because of all the wetted surface.Andy Andrew Burton On Feb 22, 2023, at 16:01, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote: I've got hylas, oyster, moody, Ron Holland on my list so far. Maybe a Bavaria, or Dufour but, those can really slam going to wind... Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead
Mack; thanks for sending the photos...they are definitely not the shroud chain plates; I looked at several late 70s and 1980 34s on Yachtworld and none of those boats had the chain plates in your photos...which leads me to believe they were likely added to prevent twisting or pulling the deck at the jib tracks...as you surmised; they will clearly need to be removed and re-bedded...factor that expense in your bid... good luck, the 34 is a nice boat and worth the effort ! Richards/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Mack McKinney via CnC-List To: Richard Bush via CnC-List Cc: Mack McKinney Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2023 2:03 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead Hi Richard -- Thanks for responding. Here's a link to the photo in question: https://app.box.com/s/r03v5jtwprsrfdrbyfvc8jd1i2xb1090 Thanks so much! Mack On 1/31/2023 13:46, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Mack, do you have a link to the photos? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Mack McKinney via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Mack McKinney Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2023 1:32 pm Subject: Stus-List C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead Hi everyone! I'm seriously considering purchasing a 1980 C 34. I have yet to make an in-person inspection, as the boat is 4 hours away, but in pictures I notice attached to the partial bulkheads which separate the settees from the galley/nav area there are what appear to be chainplates. Those aluminum plates are rather far aft for any standing rigging. Their purpose, I reckon, is to reinforce the genoa track (correct me if I'm way off, and these are distinguished from the aluminum tubes which, I suppose, reinforce the mainsheet traveler. So, here's my question: there is noticeable water incursion, as there is some streaking on the port bulkhead below the "chainplate." I assume I need to be prepared for deck core rot, and possible rot in the teak plywood of the bulkhead. The extent of any rot, if it requires the replacement of that bulkhead, may be a deal-breaker. Thoughts? Am I on the right track? Thanks, Mack Formerly C 30-104 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead
Mack, do you have a link to the photos? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Mack McKinney via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Mack McKinney Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2023 1:32 pm Subject: Stus-List C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead Hi everyone! I'm seriously considering purchasing a 1980 C 34. I have yet to make an in-person inspection, as the boat is 4 hours away, but in pictures I notice attached to the partial bulkheads which separate the settees from the galley/nav area there are what appear to be chainplates. Those aluminum plates are rather far aft for any standing rigging. Their purpose, I reckon, is to reinforce the genoa track (correct me if I'm way off, and these are distinguished from the aluminum tubes which, I suppose, reinforce the mainsheet traveler. So, here's my question: there is noticeable water incursion, as there is some streaking on the port bulkhead below the "chainplate." I assume I need to be prepared for deck core rot, and possible rot in the teak plywood of the bulkhead. The extent of any rot, if it requires the replacement of that bulkhead, may be a deal-breaker. Thoughts? Am I on the right track? Thanks, Mack Formerly C 30-104 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Looking for replacement Holding Tank for C 30-2
I second Niel and Mike's comments; Kracor made a new tank for my 37, it fit perfectly Richards/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596: Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Neil Andersen Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2023 2:32 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Looking for replacement Holding Tank for C 30-2 They did for me for my 1982 C 32. Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661484-354-8800From: Mike Nicholls via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2023 12:48:47 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Mike Nicholls Subject: Stus-List Re: Looking for replacement Holding Tank for C 30-2 Kracor in Milwaukee has made marine tanks since the 70’s and has drawings for their many tanks. They have produced tanks for C 35 for example as listed with them as Mold No.5059 . Perhaps you will find the tank for your boat from them. I live in Abbotsford BC where Barr Plastcs does a great job for custom tanks.Mike Nicholls, Moondance (C 35 Mark III) From: ejwills1993--- via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: January 27, 2023 8:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: ejwills1...@gmail.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Looking for replacement Holding Tank for C 30-2 The 30-2 has the holding tank in the cockpit locker (way aft), and the factory tank is prism-shaped, conforming a bit to the hull shape.Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Limber Holes
I like Joel's suggestion; opening up the hole down to the hull surface, then putting sealer or epoxy in replacement of the tubing to keep the water from soaking into the hull...; my personal solution is an assortment of sponges and turkey basters Richard s/v Bushmark4; 1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: wolf...@erie.net Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2023 11:07 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Limber Holes Good suggestion, but I think the holes are lined with copper tubing or something to transport the water. I could re-construct each limber hole, but I’m hoping for a simpler solution. From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 11:01 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Stus-List Re: Limber Holes Dremel with a flex shaft to lower the holes? Joel On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:50 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote: Thanks, Chuck. I’m good about keeping a reasonably dry bilge. In addition, because I’m at a dock with electricity, I keep a dehumidifier on board as well as fan to constantly circulate air. I rarely encounter a mold issue. However, I do have small puddles of sitting water just above the limber holes in concealed areas (below the floorboards). If water doesn’t drain through the limber hole, it never reaches the bilge. That’s the problem I’m trying to solve. From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 10:10 AM To: Stus-List ; Ronald B. Frerker Cc: Martin DeYoung ; wolf...@erie.net Subject: Limber Holes The limber holes on my boat have the same problem. They probably couldn't make the holes any lower because the drill body drill chuck would hit the floor before the drill bit. I found a clean bilge makes the boat smell fresh, so I wet/vac the bilge periodically to stay ahead of problems. I keep a small 5gallon wet/vac in a dockbox and do this every few months and it makes a big difference, reducing bilge odor and mold in the cabin, takes less than twenty minutes. FWIW, Here's a video showing how another owner added slope to improve drainage in a chainlocker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqAf1gIK9r0 Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis On 01/26/2023 8:56 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote: Martin: Question for a fellow Bruckmann “stick” boat owner (or anyone else with a suggestion): when Bruckmann built boats, limber holes were installed in most of the needed locations. However, the bottoms of the limber holes are rarely flush with the area being drained. As a result: a) water accumulates uphill of the limber hole until the level reaches the bottom of the hole, then drains; and b) as a result, there is always some water sitting in the area being drained. A prior owner attempted to address this by placing Bondo filler above the limber holes. However, the surface of the Bondo is irregular (again holding small amounts of water), and water can work its way between the Bondo and the hull undetected (worse). Plus it looks very unprofessional. I was thinking about removing the Bondo, grinding the paint off on the interior hull surface underneath, putting a cork or something in the limber hole, and pouring an epoxy mixture into the area until it reaches the bottom of the limber hole. Has anyone tried something like this? Matt Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu -- Joel Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Half Century Club
Congrats! There should be a plaque or an award for that!
Richard
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Stus-List Re: C Symmetrical Spinnaker
Andy, the last step is that you need to keep us posted on how you do once the racing begins! Richard 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255 -Original Message- From: andrew--- via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: and...@apwengineering.com Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 1:52 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: C Symmetrical Spinnaker Everyone - thanks very much for the very useful and informative responses - much appreciated! The goal is to get setup as simply as possible.I am tending for symmetrical setup for sure - just nice to be able to go close to DDW efficiently - for cruising and racing (no asymmetrical in our fleet).So here’s where I’m at… - Baby stay - attach snap shackle at base with bungee to pull it to base of mast when disengaged. Use block and tackle on baby stay for adjustments (maybe 4:1, not sure yet). - Topping lift - consensus is that there is a sheave in the slot 2/3 the way up the mast I will check that out for sure. I will keep topping lift cleat on the mast - for end to end gybe’s it should require minimal adjustments. - Inboard end - I will attach a ring to the mast (head highish) and plan on gybing end to end. - Downhaul - I saw the pics thanks but did not see a picture of the deck fitting. I’m pretty sure I could devise a system that connects to toe rail mid pole distance Once again what a great response from this forum - thanks. I will reply with an update hopefully sooner than later! Andy (Tryfan) C Comox, BC Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu
Stus-List Re: Everyone unfrozen?
Yup! I changed oil and winterized in early December...so all I had to do was
take pictures of my darlin' baby boat sitting in the snow and ice!
Richard
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Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville,
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Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires
Per David's comment: "Given that…maybe insurance driven"; and the sudden loss of neutral in the wiring that has been there for a long time...Bingo!!! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River; Mile 596 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: David Risch via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: David Risch Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2022 2:24 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires Given that…maybe n insurance driven ROI. your help. Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires
John, what would cause something like that "open neutral" to happen so suddenly? I was able to attend the 2012 C rendezvous at Mystic and thoroughly enjoyed it! Thanks Richards/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: John McCrea via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2022 10:39 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires I was at the Mystic one last night. I live about a mile from downtown and my boat is right across the river from Seaport Marine. When the explosions started happening we rushed down. It was caused by an open neutral on the power feed from the building to shore power to the boats in the water. It was blowing hard as well and we were lucky to not lose more than we did. John McCreaTalisman1979 36-1Mystic, CT From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:30 AM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List Marina/boatyard fires Couple of boatyard fires lately. Seaport Marine in Mystic, CT and Seabrook Marine in New Orleans. Tough news. -- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LADon't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: LF 38 For Sale
Spencer; we will miss you: stay healthy! Also, please remember, the newer Landfall owners need the benefit of you experience and advice! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ssjohnson via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: ssjohnson Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2022 11:47 pm Subject: Stus-List LF 38 For Sale Due to my medical issues I am sad to part with Alegria...1984 Landfall 38 (#165) that i have owned since 2006. Always sailed in fresh water - Lake Michigan - fairly well maintained. Some pics below. Price - $42,000. Contact me off list if interested. Looking for a younger sailor that will continue the quality tradition. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-aGegqRxjvCR7oyXWLXV_5pUreh6nnMa Spencer Johnson 84 LF 38 "Alegria" #165On the hard in Waukegan, IL:-( Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Stus-List Re: Rob Ball
Chuck, that is such a fitting tribute; please convey to Rob's family how much the their extended family (all of C owners everywhere) will miss him as well, (which I 'm sure they already know);Secondly, is it too early to suggest some sort of remembrance or display at the C exhibit at the Great Lakes Museum, or other appropriate place? Thanks for keeping us posted! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Novabraid via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2022 9:36 am Subject: Stus-List Rob Ball List folks,As you all have heard, Rob Ball is no longer with us. I was very fortunate to know Rob and his family quite well as he and I worked together at Edson, we raced together on various C’s and Etchells and shared numerous dinners and glasses of wine over the past few decades. His family and ours are intertwined in many ways. I will miss his friendship more than words can express.At his memorial service at the New Bedford Yacht Club attended by hundreds of friends and colleagues, his C 35 Mk 3 “Opus” was dressed with signal flags and a Canadian Flag flying from the stern on the club’s main dock. It is with a tinge of happiness that I tell you all that his boat will be heading north to its new permanent home in Newcastle, Ontario now being skippered by Rob’s son Dayton. We’re not sure when that will happen, either on a trailer, or by water, but Dayton and his 3 young boys will continue Rob’s legacy of sailing back in Rob’s home waters of Lake Ontario. I’m sure Rob would be happy with that knowledge.Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 Landfall 35Padanaram, MA
Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here
So, are the weed edible?...anything in there you can "market"??? All we ever get on the river is drift wood Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Subject: Stus-List It's a jungle down here Touche's slip is on Bayou Castine on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain. Fairly tropical most of the year. Monday I went for a nice sail on the lake. Well, nice if you don't count the biting flies and love bugs. If you don't know about love bugs, Google them. They're disgusting creatures whose only natural enemies are Kenworths and Peterbilts. They occur in spring and late summer. Just out of my slip I saw a 5-7 foot alligator then another about 8-9 feet. The bayou has developed a prolific growth of water weeds. As I came to a tight spot in the bayou, the weeds forced Touche' and a Catalina 34 to pass close aboard in a narrow section of the bayou. When I returned to the slip, the weather was deteriorating and I wanted to get Touche' tied up before the storm hit. Oh, crap! A large island of weeds had drifted across the entrance to Touche's slip. I tried to back up to it, grab it with a boat hook and move it out of the way. No luck. The storm was approaching fast so I just powered into the slip bow first pushing the weeds in with me. The island of weeds wrapped around the bow and keel. I normally back in. The dock lines worked and Touche' was safely tied up when the storm hit. It was raining hard and I was reluctant to get wet to retrieve the shore power cord to fire up the air conditioning. All that was missing was for The Rock to show up in his Jungle Cruise costume. During the storm, I sweated and pondered how to clear the weeds. Fortunately, the storm killed any wind. I backed out of the slip, motored around to the far side of my pier, tied Touche's stern to the pier and used the propwash to blow the weeds out of the slip and into the bayou. I could then pull back around the pier and back into the slip normally. The harbormaster said he'd contacted Wildlife and Fisheries to come spray the weeds. Estimated 2-3 weeks. What joy! Here's pictures: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qIsKMu82fMUa_zSF_QhDqLjBycwYQCx2?usp=sharing The one titled "Weeds blown out" shows using the propwash to clear the slip.-- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
Stus-List Re: Fwd: C 37
Kevin, I would like to see what you have cooked up as well, thanks! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Matthew via CnC-List To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Matthew Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2022 6:36 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: Fwd: C 37 Thanks, Kevin. If it’s handy, please forward. Much appreciated. From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2022 3:56 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Kevin Wright Subject: Stus-List Re: Fwd: C 37 Hey Matt,If Stu doesn't have what you're looking for let me know, I made up some artwork last year in Illustrator (vector) I can send you.Kevin Kevin WrightRavenLandfall 43Midland onkcwright...@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 2:36 PM Matthew via CnC-List wrote: Stu: Hope all is well. My 42 Custom has the main traveler mounted over the companionway, much like my 34 did. When C made boats with this type of arrangement, the deck has molded fiberglass housings on both sides of the companionway for mounting the traveler track. I was using the outboard end of these fiberglass housings for my PA Fish and Boat Commission registration stickers, which fit very nicely. Unfortunately, the PA boat police don’t like that location and demanded that the stickers be placed at the bow. As a result, I’m thinking about ordering a couple stickers to place on the ends of the fiberglass housings with the C logo. I’m going to adjust it to put “42 Custom” underneath. You don’t sell anything like that, do you? Assuming you don’t, below is a similar logo you sent re: a C 37 awhile back, and attached is artwork that I copied from a lister’s e-mail. The problem with the artwork is that it gets jagged edges when enlarged. Do you have any logo artwork that stays intact when enlarged? Please advise. Thanks. Matt
Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
Sailboat data has this note for the Lancer 30: "Origins with the original C 30. C often sold off the molds for retired models" Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 584.4; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 10:02 am Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C? That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30. The exterior, windows, keel, rudder etc.. The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 offered where the interior was custom … From: Barry McKee via CnC-List Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C? Don’t think this is a C 30. Interior is all wrong. Barry McKee C 29 “Discovery II” From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: j...@dellabarba.com Subject: Stus-List Is this a C? https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like??? Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA
Stus-List Re: Grenadine's New Asym
Randy, very nicely done! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Randy Stafford Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2022 3:02 pm Subject: Stus-List Grenadine's New Asym Listers, thanks for your advice on asym rigging and trimming. I’ve posted a few shots of Grenadine’s new asym at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sUKe4DrBwEkG292kNgw3M2ewW4iW4Vfh?usp=sharing. The sail is by Point Sails in San Diego (https://www.pointsails.com/about.html). Cheers,Randy StaffordSV GrenadineC 30 MK I #79Ken Caryl, CO
Stus-List Re: The Pursuit of Excellence
Done! Thank you! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: Motion Designs Limited Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2022 12:52 am Subject: Stus-List The Pursuit of Excellence Doug Hunter who has written a number of books including Against the odds: The incredible story of Evergreen and the Canada's Cup was commissioned in 1982 by George H. Cuthbertson to write the corporate history of C Yachts. Well, it has sat on multiple bookcases since then and finally is available for everyone to read. If you are interested in the corporate history of C Free digital download from: https://www.motiondesignslimited.com/the-chandlery?store-page=The-Pursuit-of-Excellence-p475175729 JohnKelly Cuthbertson www.candcyachts.com Motion Designs Limited 647 990 7752
Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds
I second Jeff Laman's comments; I have used soft shackles for several years
without issue; my sheets used to hang up all of the time prior to switching to
the soft shackles...and although I was originally skeptical of them, I am a
believer now!
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255
-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2022 1:36 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds
#yiv1728409670 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Dave,I am curious how your soft
shackle is installed and why that hasn't solved your problem. After attaching
sheets with a soft shackle a couple years ago, I have not had a single
hangup.Jeff Laman81C, MI
From: David Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:32 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Genoa sheets catch on shrouds What have people found to be
the best way to keep the genoa sheet attachment from catching on the shrouds
during a tack? I use a dyneema soft shackle to attach the sheets to the clew,
but that has not solved the problem over knots. Thanks- Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT
Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.
John: I might, let me check...I bought one and never got around to putting it in...; Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: John McCrea via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net Sent: Thu, May 26, 2022 2:46 pm Subject: Stus-List Hot Water Heater. Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land! It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is now the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these? Thanks. John McCreaTalisman1979 36-1Mystic, CT
Stus-List Re: C
To Rob Mazza and/or anyone connected with the Great Lakes museum...has Red Jacket been moved to the museum yet? If so, is it available for viewing by the public? or members (I have joined)...I am thinking that it might make a nice road trip to bring the fam to Kingston to the museum to see Red Jacket and generally sight see; ( now that the COVID restrictions have been lifted...)So, any info is appreciated, thanks! Richard s/v Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255
