Re: Stus-List AIS VHF- foreign vessels

[Dave S via CnC-List]

LOL - was going to refute that, but when dealing with the border here in
Toronto (I travel a lot) and if "friendly" includes "cooly courteous" it's
probably true. I can often raise a smile on US Homeland Security types
though, just the same. Once, after an exhausting overseas trip I had a
young Canadian Border Services person look me in the eye and say "Welcome
Home".  Felt like I was. (NYC and area is a laugh because no matter what
problem has arisen, everyone is a comedian, or at least theatrically
bombastic.   Great fun,usually.  YMMV)
Back in the 90s you'd land on the US side, find a bashed-in payphone, call
a clear-in number (rarely did anyone answer) then go have dinner.  Friendly
folks, great hosts always.  (Except Brenda the marina nazi, but that's
another story)  Only once did I encounter an officious official, a real
mouth-breathing, crew-cut, young meathead, (nice uniform) but he stuck to
the rules and was merely unpleasant, not difficult.
Toronto to Wilson NY was a common weekend getaway.   Alcohol was sold here
in Canada via a province-run system that resembled something from the east
bloc, and it was heavily taxed.   Sailing was in its heyday. Squadrons of
Canadians would cross the lake to Wilson Harbour, (among others) for the
weekend and would be met by a shuttle from the marina to town, - a vintage
1920s firetruck, long, open thing with bench seats in the back, and a 4'
diameter steering wheel, driven by a warm chatty character with massive
forearms. Retired fireman maybe.  Hourly runs, back and forth.   Coming
back, the truck was loaded full of happy, well-fed Canadians armed with
heavy cardboard boxes  going "clink, clink, clink" over the bumps.   Great
for the town I think. The truck is still there (I saw it in the firehall)
but the activity is not the same - it's very quiet and the "downtown" is
only semi-vital.
Today clearing in is pretty seamless if a furriner chooses to give uncle
Sam enough info, pays for the appropriate sticker, brings a passport.
Never liked giving anyone too much data, especially a foreign government,
but I had already as a "trusted traveller" and it seems to work.   You
register (and pay) for the year, check in by videophone on  arrival, decent
folks, professional.   I'm not sure what would happen in the event that
some minor protocol was violated.  I don't think I want to find out.
I can imagine that for those USCG guys, AIS is like radar is to cops.
They now have a much easier time inspecting their quota of foreign vessels.
;-)
BTW, my neighbour now just turns the AIS transmitter off most of the time.
If I want to find him I text him, and he turns it on.  Not a lot of
shipping or fog around here.

Dave



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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:49:43 -0600
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Sorry about that. You Canadians are much much more friendly!.


Bill Coleman?C 39 Erie

 Original message 
From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 10/27/16  13:00  (GMT-07:00)
To: C Stus List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.? North shore is
Canada, south shore is?USA, upstate NY.? For boaters on both sides, the
35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
years or more.
A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the?US shore is approached, the
AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
threat to national security.??
I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
Dave
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

A Daisy AIS is $60 plus 25 for a NMEA 183 adapter. I use one with my
laptop.
Joel

On Friday, October 28, 2016, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sorry about that. You Canadians are much much more friendly!.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Date: 10/27/16 13:00 (GMT-07:00)
> To: C Stus List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','syerd...@gmail.com');>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
> I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore
> is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the
> 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
> years or more.
>
> A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
> regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the
> AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
> threat to national security.
>
> I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','muckl...@gmail.com');>>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
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> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
> like a nice setup.
>
> Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
> mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
> seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
> straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
> reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
> thought the big boat would see their AIS.
>
> I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
> which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
> transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
> transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
> from buying.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Sorry about that. You Canadians are much much more friendly!.


Bill Coleman C 39 Erie

 Original message 
From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 10/27/16  13:00  (GMT-07:00) 
To: C Stus List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF 

I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is 
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the 35nm 
crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100 years or 
more.
A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets regularly 
stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the AIS 
presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential threat to 
national security.  
I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
Dave


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 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
 From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
 To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
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 It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
 like a nice setup.

 Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
 mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
 seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
 straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
 reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
 thought the big boat would see their AIS.

 I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
 which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
 transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
 transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
 from buying.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 C 37+
 Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I looked at this and initially thought there was an AIS solution for $164.  
Imagine my disappointment when I read on 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

§164.01   Applicability.

(a)   This part (except as specifically limited by this section) applies to 
each self-propelled vessel of 1600 or more gross tons (except as provided in 
paragraphs (c) and (d) of this section, or for foreign vessels described in 
§164.02) when it is operating in the navigable waters of the United States 
except the St. Lawrence Seaway.

There are a couple of exceptions for vessels in the St. Lawrence Seaway, but 
also a couple of requirements for vessels as small as 39 feet. But the bottom 
line is that most everyone who gets this email is exempt from this section of 
the CFRs.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com<mailto:billbinal...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF


6. When must AIS be in operation? Vessels equipped with AIS (either by 
mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set forth in 
33 CFR 
164.46(d)<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations> 
and should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an 
assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning 
position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating condition', 
which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the accurate input and upkeep 
of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS Encoding 
Guide<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf>) during all times that 
the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at least 15 minutes 
prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 
2.36<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a=true=se33.1.2_136=div8>).
 Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of the 
vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be switched off. 
This action and the reason for taking it must be reported to the nearest U.S. 
Captain of the 
Port<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl>
 or Vessel Traffic 
Center<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112>
 and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to continuous 
operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.

Bill Bina

On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a physical 
switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS they can hail 
you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are transmitting.  
Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail them.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is 
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the 35nm 
crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100 years or 
more.

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets regularly 
stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the AIS 
presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential threat to 
national security.

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

Dave



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
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To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
which would mandate any boat equi

Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

(d) /Operations/. The requirements in this paragraph are applicable to 
any vessel equipped with AIS. :-)




(d) /Operations/. The requirements in this paragraph are applicable to 
any vessel equipped with AIS.


(1) Use of AIS does not relieve the vessel of the requirements to 
sound whistle signals or display lights or shapes in accordance with the 
International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (72 
COLREGS 
), 
28 U.S.T. 3459, T.I.A.S. 8587, or Inland Navigation Rules, 33 CFR part 
83 
; 
nor of the radio requirements of the Vessel Bridge-to-Bridge 
Radiotelephone Act, 33 U.S.C. 1201-1208 
, 
part 26 
 
of this chapter, and 47 CFR part 80 
.


 (2) AIS must be maintained in effective operating condition, which 
includes--


(i) The ability to reinitialize the AIS, which requires access to and 
knowledge of the AIS power source and password;


(ii) The ability to access AIS information from the primary conning 
position of the vessel;


(iii) The accurate broadcast of a properly assigned Maritime Mobile 
Service Identity (MMSI ) 
number;


(iv) The accurate input and upkeep of all AIS data fields and system 
updates; and


(v) For those vessels denoted in paragraph (b) of this section, the 
continual operation of AIS and its associated devices (e.g., positioning 
system, gyro, converters, displays) at all times while the vessel is 
underway or at anchor, and, if moored, at least 15 minutes prior to 
getting underway; except when its operation would compromise the safety 
or security of the vessel or a security incident is imminent. The AIS 
should be returned to continuous operation as soon as the compromise has 
been mitigated or the security incident has passed. The time and reason 
for the silent period should be recorded in the ship's official log and 
reported to the nearest Captain of the Port 
 
or Vessel Traffic Center (VTC) 
.


Bill Bina


On 10/27/2016 7:58 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


*§164.01   Applicability.*

(a)This part (except as specifically limited by this section) applies 
to each self-propelled vessel of *1600 or more gross tons* (except as 
provided in paragraphs (c) and (d) of this section, or for foreign 
vessels described in §164.02) when it is operating in the navigable 
waters of the United States except the St. Lawrence Seaway.


There are a couple of exceptions for vessels in the St. Lawrence 
Seaway, but also a couple of requirements for vessels as small as 39 
feet. But the bottom line is that most everyone who gets this email is 
exempt from this section of the CFRs.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC




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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

§164.01   Applicability.

(a)   This part (except as specifically limited by this section) applies to
each self-propelled vessel of 1600 or more gross tons (except as provided in
paragraphs (c) and (d) of this section, or for foreign vessels described in
§164.02) when it is operating in the navigable waters of the United States
except the St. Lawrence Seaway.

 

There are a couple of exceptions for vessels in the St. Lawrence Seaway, but
also a couple of requirements for vessels as small as 39 feet. But the
bottom line is that most everyone who gets this email is exempt from this
section of the CFRs.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
- gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

 

6. When must AIS be in operation? Vessels equipped with AIS (either by
mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set forth
in 33 CFR 164.46(d)
<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations>  and
should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an
assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning
position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating condition',
which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the accurate input and
upkeep of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS Encoding Guide
<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf> ) during all times that
the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at least 15 minutes
prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 2.36
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a
c=true=se33.1.2_136=div8> ). Should continual operation of AIS
compromise the safety or security of the vessel or where a security incident
is imminent, the AIS may be switched off. This action and the reason for
taking it must be reported to the nearest U.S. Captain of the Port
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5
pl=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl>  or Vessel Traffic Center
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9
cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112>  and recorded in the ship's
logbook. The AIS should return to continuous operation as soon as the source
of danger has been mitigated.

Bill Bina

 

On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a
physical switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS
they can hail you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are
transmitting.  Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail
them. 

 

Joel

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the 35nm
crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100 years
or more.

 

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets regularly
stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the AIS
presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential threat to
national security.  

 

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

 

Dave

 

 

 

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
from buying.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Bill

That's right.
Joel

On Thursday, October 27, 2016, BillBinaList via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I believe that if you have RADAR installed and operable, it is required to
> be in use at all times when underway regardless of visibility. I found a
> legal work-around, though. My display is on a removable bracket. When
> unplugged and stored in a cabinet, I no longer have "installed and
> operable" RADAR.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Also if you have radar, you are legally required to use it in poor
> visibility.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:34 PM
> *To:* C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
>
>
> Bill your ability to recall and cite information is remarkable!
>
> This text is similar to that of the regulations for VHF radios - Must be
> on and monitoring 16.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 3:11 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>> wrote:
>
> *6. When must AIS be in operation?* Vessels equipped with AIS (either by
> mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set forth
> in 33 CFR 164.46(d)
> <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations> and
> should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an
> assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning
> position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating
> condition', which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the accurate
> input and upkeep of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS Encoding Guide
> <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf>) during all times that
> the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at least 15 minutes
> prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 2.36
> <http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a=true=se33.1.2_136=div8>).
> Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of the
> vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be switched
> off. This action and the reason for taking it must be reported to the
> nearest U.S. Captain of the Port
> <http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl>
> or Vessel Traffic Center
> <http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112>
> and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to continuous
> operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
>
> On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a
> physical switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS
> they can hail you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are
> transmitting.  Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail
> them.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>> wrote:
>
> I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore
> is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the
> 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
> years or more.
>
>
>
> A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
> regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the
> AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
> threat to national security.
>
>
>
> I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','muckl...@gmail.com');>>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

I believe that if you have RADAR installed and operable, it is required 
to be in use at all times when underway regardless of visibility. I 
found a legal work-around, though. My display is on a removable bracket. 
When unplugged and stored in a cabinet, I no longer have "installed and 
operable" RADAR.


Bill Bina


On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


Also if you have radar, you are legally required to use it in poor 
visibility.


Joe

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Josh Muckley via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:34 PM
*To:* C List
*Cc:* Josh Muckley
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Bill your ability to recall and cite information is remarkable!

This text is similar to that of the regulations for VHF radios - Must 
be on and monitoring 16.


Josh

On Oct 27, 2016 3:11 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


*6. When must AIS be in operation?* Vessels equipped with AIS (either 
by mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements 
set forth in 33 CFR 164.46(d) 
<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations> 
and should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using 
an assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary 
conning position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective 
operating condition', which entails the continuous operation of AIS 
and the accurate input and upkeep of all AIS data parameters (see USCG 
AIS Encoding Guide <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf>) 
during all times that the vessel is navigating (underway or at 
anchor), and, at least 15 minutes prior to unmooring, in U.S. 
navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 2.36 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a=true=se33.1.2_136=div8>). 
Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of 
the vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be 
switched off. This action and the reason for taking it must be 
reported to the nearest U.S. Captain of the Port 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl> 
or Vessel Traffic Center 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112> 
and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to 
continuous operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.


Bill Bina

On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software
or a physical switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar,
but with AIS they can hail you by name.  Other boaters with AIS
can see you if you are transmitting.  Sometimes it nice to be able
to see a buddy on AIS and hail them.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North
shore is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY. For boaters on
both sides, the 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise,
probably been like this for 100 years or more.

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is
approached, the AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign
invader and potential threat to national security.

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

Dave

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
    To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
Message-ID:
   
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It
looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What
have
mariners been doing for thousands of years? Sometimes all this
automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless. Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats
because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed
legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the
ability to

Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Also if you have radar, you are legally required to use it in poor visibility.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:34 PM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF


Bill your ability to recall and cite information is remarkable!

This text is similar to that of the regulations for VHF radios - Must be on and 
monitoring 16.

Josh

On Oct 27, 2016 3:11 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

6. When must AIS be in operation? Vessels equipped with AIS (either by 
mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set forth in 
33 CFR 
164.46(d)<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations> 
and should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an 
assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning 
position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating condition', 
which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the accurate input and upkeep 
of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS Encoding 
Guide<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf>) during all times that 
the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at least 15 minutes 
prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 
2.36<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a=true=se33.1.2_136=div8>).
 Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of the 
vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be switched off. 
This action and the reason for taking it must be reported to the nearest U.S. 
Captain of the 
Port<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl>
 or Vessel Traffic 
Center<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112>
 and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to continuous 
operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.

Bill Bina

On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a physical 
switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS they can hail 
you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are transmitting.  
Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail them.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is 
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the 35nm 
crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100 years or 
more.

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets regularly 
stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the AIS 
presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential threat to 
national security.

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

Dave



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
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To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
from buying.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Bill your ability to recall and cite information is remarkable!

This text is similar to that of the regulations for VHF radios - Must be on
and monitoring 16.

Josh

On Oct 27, 2016 3:11 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> *6. When must AIS be in operation?* Vessels equipped with AIS (either by
> mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set forth
> in 33 CFR 164.46(d)
> <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations> and
> should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an
> assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning
> position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating
> condition', which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the accurate
> input and upkeep of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS Encoding Guide
> <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf>) during all times that
> the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at least 15 minutes
> prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as defined in 33 CFR 2.36
> <http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a=true=se33.1.2_136=div8>).
> Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of the
> vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be switched
> off. This action and the reason for taking it must be reported to the
> nearest U.S. Captain of the Port
> <http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl>
> or Vessel Traffic Center
> <http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112>
> and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to continuous
> operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a
> physical switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS
> they can hail you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are
> transmitting.  Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail
> them.
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore
>> is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the
>> 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
>> years or more.
>>
>> A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
>> regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the
>> AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
>> threat to national security.
>>
>> I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
>> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
>> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+zaCRC8CfvP48GgD7Anf=aufvkampbggc2um225ryzf1jg...@mail.gm
>> ail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
>> like a nice setup.
>>
>> Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
>> mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
>> seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
>> straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
>> reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
>> thought the big boat would see their AIS.
>>
>> I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
>> which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
>> transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
>> transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
>> from buying.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> ___
>>
>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Joel
> 3

Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail them.
>


One of my pier neighbors just finished a 2 week cruise on the Gulf Coast.
His boat has AIS transmit.  I was able to vicariously enjoy his trip by
following him on vesselfinder.com.

At one point, he and another of my marina neighbors with AIS were side by
side near Pensacola.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

*6. When must AIS be in operation?* Vessels equipped with AIS (either by 
mandatory carriage or voluntarily) must abide by the requirements set 
forth in 33 CFR 164.46(d) 
<http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISRequirementsRev#Operations> and 
should especially ensure their AIS is in properly installed, using an 
assigned MMSI, and, that its data is accessible from the primary conning 
position of the vessel. Also, that it be in 'effective operating 
condition', which entails the continuous operation of AIS and the 
accurate input and upkeep of all AIS data parameters (see USCG AIS 
Encoding Guide <http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf>) during 
all times that the vessel is navigating (underway or at anchor), and, at 
least 15 minutes prior to unmooring, in U.S. navigable waters (as 
defined in 33 CFR 2.36 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=8ce9de702cf895bec7bde7706fb6a95a=true=se33.1.2_136=div8>). 
Should continual operation of AIS compromise the safety or security of 
the vessel or where a security incident is imminent, the AIS may be 
switched off. This action and the reason for taking it must be reported 
to the nearest U.S. Captain of the Port 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1355ca17fe5cef9f547f90ffed6800e5=/ecfrbrowse/Title33/33cfr3_main_02.tpl> 
or Vessel Traffic Center 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==72dd2b28614391a354f4461de9cf63f1=PART=33y2.0.1.6.30#se33.2.161_112> 
and recorded in the ship's logbook. The AIS should return to continuous 
operation as soon as the source of danger has been mitigated.


Bill Bina


On 10/27/2016 3:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a 
physical switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with 
AIS they can hail you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if 
you are transmitting.  Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on 
AIS and hail them.


Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North
shore is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on
both sides, the 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise,
probably been like this for 100 years or more.

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is
approached, the AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign
invader and potential threat to national security.

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

Dave



Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
Message-ID:
   
<CA+zaCRC8CfvP48GgD7Anf=aufvkampbggc2um225ryzf1jg...@mail.gmail.com

<mailto:aufvkampbggc2um225ryzf1jg...@mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It
looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What
have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this
automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless. Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats
because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed
legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the
ability to
transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to
keep me
from buying.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Your friend can turn off the transmitter either through software or a
physical switch.  Commercial vessels will see you on radar, but with AIS
they can hail you by name.  Other boaters with AIS can see you if you are
transmitting.  Sometimes it nice to be able to see a buddy on AIS and hail
them.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore
> is Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the
> 35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
> years or more.
>
> A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
> regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the
> AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
> threat to national security.
>
> I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
> Message-ID:
> <CA+zaCRC8CfvP48GgD7Anf=aufvkampbggc2um225ryzf1jg...@mail.gm
> ail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
> like a nice setup.
>
> Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
> mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
> seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
> straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
> reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
> thought the big boat would see their AIS.
>
> I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
> which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
> transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
> transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
> from buying.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> ___
>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I sail out of Whitby, Near Toronto, North shore of lake ON.  North shore is
Canada, south shore is USA, upstate NY.  For boaters on both sides, the
35nm crossing is a routine weekend cruise, probably been like this for 100
years or more.

A neighbour at my marina installed an AIS transmitter and now gets
regularly stopped by the US coastguard when the US shore is approached, the
AIS presumably identifying his CS36 as a foreign invader and potential
threat to national security.

I'll stay stealthy I think... ;-)

Dave



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:44 +
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
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It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
from buying.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2010/12/class_b_ais_filtering_the_word_from_dr_norris.html


On 10/27/2016 12:47 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


IMHO – if you REALLY don’t want to get run over, get Class A.

I keep hearing filtering Class B is not a thing and then someone else 
will tell me they have seen it done.


Joe

Coquina



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

IMHO – if you REALLY don’t want to get run over, get Class A.
I keep hearing filtering Class B is not a thing and then someone else will tell 
me they have seen it done.
Joe
Coquina

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It’s pretty clear that they’d be more likely to pay attention to a vessel which 
transmits Class B AIS than one which doesn’t have a transceiver at all, as AIS 
is required to be displayed on ECDIS screens on commercial vessels.  At 
minimum, their bridge systems have to alarm for CPA (closest point of approach) 
for Class A AIS, and they have an option to filter out Class B.  Take a look at 
this Panbo post from 2010; I agree with the later comments by the expert:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2010/12/class_b_ais_filtering_the_word_from_dr_norris.html

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would like to believe that when operating at night in dense fog the 
commercial ships might actually consult their AIS information ….

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

It’s pretty clear that they’d be more likely to pay attention to a vessel which 
transmits Class B AIS than one which doesn’t have a transceiver at all, as AIS 
is required to be displayed on ECDIS screens on commercial vessels.  At 
minimum, their bridge systems have to alarm for CPA (closest point of approach) 
for Class A AIS, and they have an option to filter out Class B.  Take a look at 
this Panbo post from 2010; I agree with the later comments by the expert:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2010/12/class_b_ais_filtering_the_word_from_dr_norris.html
 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I would like to believe that when operating at night in dense fog the 
> commercial ships might actually consult their AIS information ….

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Josh

I understand your concern about reliance on AIS vs diligence.  However is that 
really a whole lot different than navigation when Loran came out to give you a 
fix vs a sextant?

Last summer one part of our cruise was a 125 NM leg (each way) that involved 
overnight and on and off fog.  I liked the AIS receive from out SH GX2200 (via 
Garmin GPSMAP 740).  I could see the large ships that were also going up and 
down the coast on the chartplotter and could use that info to try to keep out 
of their way.  The fact that they travel over 14 knots and we are only doing 
6.5 can sometimes lend another twist.  I would have felt much more assured if I 
could know that other than a blip on their radar they could also see me, my 
heading and speed.  The cost of AIS transmit is prohibitive but we may add it 
to Persistence this summer.  I would like to believe that when operating at 
night in dense fog the commercial ships might actually consult their AIS 
information ….

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:01 PM
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Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF


It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks like a 
nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have 
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation 
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive straight 
into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked reefs.  I foresee 
small boats getting run over by big boats because they thought the big boat 
would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation which 
would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and transmitting.  You 
know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to transmit my location but 
the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me from buying.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 27, 2016 10:40 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Josh,
 I have the Simrad HS-35 and love it.  The AIS is only receive, but works 
very well.  The transmission and receive are much clearer than my previous iCom 
radio.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Fred,

How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to me 
that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?  It looks 
like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the estimated 
price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better fit for some 
of us?

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691%7C2207355=2199069

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If AIS was a $200 option, that would be one thing, but it's $800 and up
> right now, so I'll just enjoy the AIS receive for now.



The Matsutec HA-102 AIS transponder can be found for under $300.  Not sure
I'd want to buy one.  Still would need an antenna.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Josh,
 I have the Simrad HS-35 and love it.  The AIS is only receive, but
works very well.  The transmission and receive are much clearer than my
previous iCom radio.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to
> me that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?
> It looks like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the
> estimated price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better
> fit for some of us?
>
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%
> 7C2028691%7C2207355=2199069
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while
>> before we saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:
>>
>> http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx650
>> 0_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html
>>
>> As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be
>> able to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…
>>   :^)
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Hi, Josh — the Simard is a nice radio, as well — they were one of the first 
manufacturers out with NMEA2000-connected VHF radios.  But as you mentioned, 
the AIS is receive-only, and that’s easy to do with a single VHF antenna shared 
with the radio.  To add transceiver capability, first you have to add the Class 
B transceiver (standalone units start at about $500-$600).  Then it’s required 
to have an external GPS antenna dedicated to the AIS transceiver (that’s part 
of the Class B standard).  And you need either a separate VHF antenna for the 
AIS, or a splitter (another $200), which is probably going to be too big to 
incorporate into a VHF housing people want to buy.

So it’s no surprise that the Simard is “half the estimated price of the other 
unit.”  The GX6500 has everything I mentioned above with the exception of the 
splitter.

And I have to say that the quality of my transmitted VHF signal improved 
greatly when I installed my S-H GX2200 VHF last year; I expect the quality of 
the GX6500 will be at least that good, if not better.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred, 
> 
> How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to me 
> that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?  It 
> looks like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the 
> estimated price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better 
> fit for some of us?
> 
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691%7C2207355=2199069
>  
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Oops!  I meant RS-35.  AIS transmit would be nice.  As an electrical
engineer, I'm a tech addict, but that being said I hear your concerns.  I
like the AIS receive because my safety is in my hands.  Just because I
transmit AIS doesn't mean the other guy is looking!  If AIS was a $200
option, that would be one thing, but it's $800 and up right now, so I'll
just enjoy the AIS receive for now.

Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
> like a nice setup.
>
> Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
> mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
> seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
> straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
> reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
> thought the big boat would see their AIS.
>
> I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
> which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
> transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
> transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
> from buying.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 10:40 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>  I have the Simrad HS-35 and love it.  The AIS is only receive, but
>> works very well.  The transmission and receive are much clearer than my
>> previous iCom radio.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to
>>> me that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?
>>> It looks like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the
>>> estimated price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better
>>> fit for some of us?
>>>
>>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691
>>> %7C2207355=2199069
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while
 before we saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

 http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx650
 0_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

 As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll
 be able to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested
 (Joel…   :^)

 — Fred


 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

+1 on the SH GX2200.  I installed a couple and the owners love them.  I
have a SH GX2150.  Nice VHF.

Personally, I'm not sure I'd like a wireless remote mike.  I have the wired
RAM mike and love it.  It's definitely not going over the side.

AIS is nice but no substitute for radar and a diligent watch.  IMHO the
vessels that have AIS transmitters aren't as dangerous as Bubba party barge
or butt floss express cruiser without AIS.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
> like a nice setup.
>
> Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
> mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
> seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
> straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
> reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
> thought the big boat would see their AIS.
>
> I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
> which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
> transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
> transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
> from buying.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 10:40 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>  I have the Simrad HS-35 and love it.  The AIS is only receive, but
>> works very well.  The transmission and receive are much clearer than my
>> previous iCom radio.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to
>>> me that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?
>>> It looks like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the
>>> estimated price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better
>>> fit for some of us?
>>>
>>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691
>>> %7C2207355=2199069
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while
 before we saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

 http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx650
 0_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

 As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll
 be able to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested
 (Joel…   :^)

 — Fred


 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Bob via CnC-List]

I have the B V50. It is the same as the HS-35. Like Josh, I love it. AIS 
receive only and works fantastic. I got it when defender had the V50 and the 
H50 wireless remote for 350 last fall.  The CPA alarms really work well. 
Sometimes too well, lol. It goes freakin crazy in my marina.  Several boats 
seem to have their AIS on all the time.  My network is NMEA 2K and worked 
perfectly when I plugged it all in.  I had added a GPS antenna on my transom 
and use the VHF antenna on top of the mast with no splitter.
For most of my sailing is in the Mississippi Sound, I find receive seems to 
satisfy most of my needs.  Although, when sailing at night with all the fishing 
boats here, transmit would be nice and I may add this winter if Santa is good 
to me.

Bob Caughran
S/V Beemer, 29mkII, 309
Biloxi, MS

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From: Gary Russell via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:40 AM
To: C List
Cc: Gary Russell
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Josh,
     I have the Simrad HS-35 and love it.  The AIS is only receive, but works 
very well.  The transmission and receive are much clearer than my previous iCom 
radio.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Fred, 
How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to me 
that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?  It looks 
like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the estimated 
price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better fit for some 
of us?
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691%7C2207355=2199069
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It looks like the HS-35 is the wireless handset for the RS-35?  It looks
like a nice setup.

Do you think that having the AIS transmit is that important?  What have
mariners been doing for thousands of years?  Sometimes all this automation
seems to make us let aware and more careless.  Auto-helms that drive
straight into navaids.  Volvo Ocean racers that run across well marked
reefs.  I foresee small boats getting run over by big boats because they
thought the big boat would see their AIS.

I read and article (IIRC - BoatUS) years ago about proposed legislation
which would mandate any boat equipped with AIS to have it on and
transmitting.  You know for our own safety.  I don't mind the ability to
transmit my location but the proposition of a mandate is enough to keep me
from buying.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 27, 2016 10:40 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
>  I have the Simrad HS-35 and love it.  The AIS is only receive, but
> works very well.  The transmission and receive are much clearer than my
> previous iCom radio.
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Fred,
>>
>> How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to
>> me that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?
>> It looks like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the
>> estimated price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better
>> fit for some of us?
>>
>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691
>> %7C2207355=2199069
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while
>>> before we saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:
>>>
>>> http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx650
>>> 0_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html
>>>
>>> As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll
>>> be able to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested
>>> (Joel…   :^)
>>>
>>> — Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Fred,

How is the Simrad radio in the link different/better/worse?  It looks to me
that the bad part is that it doesn't transmit AIS data, just receive?  It
looks like it will work with a single VHF antenna and is about half the
estimated price of the other unit.  Fewer features, yes but maybe a better
fit for some of us?

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C344%7C2028691%7C2207355=2199069

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 12, 2016 8:29 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before
> we saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:
>
> http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_
> gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html
>
> As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be
> able to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…
>   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

As Dave said you need an NG to 2000 adapter cable a NMEA 2000 tee and
cable.

Hard part is routing the NMEA cable.
Joel

On Monday, October 17, 2016, Dave via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Jake, my ICOM m506 vhf is NMEA 2000 compliant and has an. AIS receiver.
> It plugs into my accursed seatalk NG network via an adapter cable, and my
> ray i70 displays the AIS targets.   Plug and play. SeatalkNG is an nmea
> 2000 network with a proprietary cable system intended to make it difficult
> to use any non-Raymarine instruments on your network. the data is the same,
> you must simply deal with some non–mating plugs.
>
> I have the icom vhf and a garmin GPS antenna on my SeatalkNG network and
> both work fine.  In one case I added a field attachable nmea2000 connector
> to a SeatalkNG cable, in another I bought a raymarine adapter cable.
>
> Dave.
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 11:43:59 -0400
> From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','captain_j...@cox.net');>>
> To: "'G Collins'" <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnclistforw...@hotmail.com');>>,
>    <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
> Message-ID: <00c701d227c4$22f63600$68e2a200$@cox.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','00c701d227c4$22f63600$68e2a200$@cox.net');>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Graham,
>
>
>
> Yes, that would talk to my current plotter, but not to my Raymarine stuff
> that is SeaTalk NG.  There's probably a converter available somewhere.  I
> plan on getting a Raymarine plotter soon, so everything will be NG then.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Dave via CnC-List]

Jake, my ICOM m506 vhf is NMEA 2000 compliant and has an. AIS receiver.   It 
plugs into my accursed seatalk NG network via an adapter cable, and my ray i70 
displays the AIS targets.   Plug and play. SeatalkNG is an nmea 2000 
network with a proprietary cable system intended to make it difficult to use 
any non-Raymarine instruments on your network. the data is the same, you must 
simply deal with some non–mating plugs.

I have the icom vhf and a garmin GPS antenna on my SeatalkNG network and both 
work fine.  In one case I added a field attachable nmea2000 connector to a 
SeatalkNG cable, in another I bought a raymarine adapter cable. 

Dave.

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 11:43:59 -0400
From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net>
To: "'G Collins'" <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>,
   <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
Message-ID: <00c701d227c4$22f63600$68e2a200$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Graham,



Yes, that would talk to my current plotter, but not to my Raymarine stuff
that is SeaTalk NG.  There's probably a converter available somewhere.  I
plan on getting a Raymarine plotter soon, so everything will be NG then.



Jake

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jake — NMEA2000 will talk directly to SeaTalkNG through an adapter cable.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Graham,
>  
> Yes, that would talk to my current plotter, but not to my Raymarine stuff 
> that is SeaTalk NG.  There’s probably a converter available somewhere.  I 
> plan on getting a Raymarine plotter soon, so everything will be NG then.
>  
> Jake

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Graham,

 

Yes, that would talk to my current plotter, but not to my Raymarine stuff
that is SeaTalk NG.  There's probably a converter available somewhere.  I
plan on getting a Raymarine plotter soon, so everything will be NG then.

 

Jake

 

From: G Collins [mailto:cnclistforw...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:18
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

 

The VHF / AIS has N2K in/output - so it _should_ be plug and play to your
plotter...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-16 10:28 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List wrote:

Fred,

 

My VHF is due for replacement.  Adding AIS was always on my to-do list
anyway.  This is a great combination.  How would I get the AIS info to my
chartplotter (Garmin) or Raymarine instruments?  Or should I wait for
Raymarine to introduce their own version of VHF/AIS?  I'm sure it's only a
matter of time before other manufacturers offer similar products.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick
G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 08:28
To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street  <mailto:f...@postaudio.net> <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Stus-List AIS VHF

 

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before
we saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

 

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_r
adio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

 

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I'll be
able to price them for C listers; let me know if you're interested (Joel.
:^)

 

- Fred

 

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 






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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Graham’s correct, IF you have NMEA2000 in place. If you don’t, there’s still an 
NMEA0183 interface on the GX6500.  If you want to go with a single masthead 
antenna, I’d suggest using the Si-Tex MDA3 antenna switcher.  By doing this 
rather than using two antennas for VHF/AIS, you restrict the AIS’s ability to 
receive when you’re transmitting on VHF; but if you use the radio sparingly, 
then it’s not much of an issue, and you gain the distance advantage of having 
the AIS antenna up high, just like on the VHF.

Reports I’ve seen online suggest an expected availability date in November; 
I’ll let the list know when they start to ship.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:18 AM, G Collins via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The VHF / AIS has N2K in/output - so it _should_ be plug and play to your 
> plotter...
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
> On 2016-10-16 10:28 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List wrote:
>> Fred,
>>  
>> My VHF is due for replacement.  Adding AIS was always on my to-do list 
>> anyway.  This is a great combination.  How would I get the AIS info to my 
>> chartplotter (Garmin) or Raymarine instruments?  Or should I wait for 
>> Raymarine to introduce their own version of VHF/AIS?  I’m sure it’s only a 
>> matter of time before other manufacturers offer similar products.
>>  
>> Jake
>>  
>> Jake Brodersen
>> C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”
>> Hampton VA

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[G Collins via CnC-List]

The VHF / AIS has N2K in/output - so it _should_ be plug and play to your 
plotter...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-16 10:28 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List wrote:
Fred,

My VHF is due for replacement.  Adding AIS was always on my to-do list anyway.  
This is a great combination.  How would I get the AIS info to my chartplotter 
(Garmin) or Raymarine instruments?  Or should I wait for Raymarine to introduce 
their own version of VHF/AIS?  I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before other 
manufacturers offer similar products.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”
Hampton VA



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 08:28
To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com><mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net><mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Stus-List AIS VHF

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI




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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Fred,

 

My VHF is due for replacement.  Adding AIS was always on my to-do list anyway.  
This is a great combination.  How would I get the AIS info to my chartplotter 
(Garmin) or Raymarine instruments?  Or should I wait for Raymarine to introduce 
their own version of VHF/AIS?  I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before other 
manufacturers offer similar products.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 08:28
To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Stus-List AIS VHF

 

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

 

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

 

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

 

— Fred

 

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My AIS antenna is about 8-9 feet above water level. It works OK, but my max 
range I have ever seen on that one is maybe 10-12 miles for Class A and maybe 3 
for Class B. If I rewire it to the masthead I have seen over 50 mile range to 
Class A targets.
Speaking of which, if cash is no issue Class A works WAY better.
Joe
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Ed,

You are correct that it only needs to be 3 meters above the water under ISAF.
As with a VHF, height = range.  I use and AIS dongle with my spare antenna on 
deck.  Range is only a couple miles.​
Even if you are a cruiser, the ISAF requirements are worth considering.

Joel

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:55 PM, G Collins via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Only if you were looking to be ISAF compliant...

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2016-10-12 5:55 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.

So you would still need a splitter.

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The Panbo 
review<http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html>
 talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in getting 
thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough, adding a 
VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.

But you can still add a splitter on your own...

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

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Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Ed,

You are correct that it only needs to be 3 meters above the water under
ISAF.
As with a VHF, height = range.  I use and AIS dongle with my spare antenna
on deck.  Range is only a couple miles.​
Even if you are a cruiser, the ISAF requirements are worth considering.

Joel

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:55 PM, G Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Only if you were looking to be ISAF compliant...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-10-12 5:55 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.
>
> So you would still need a splitter.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The Panbo review
>> <http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html>
>> talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in
>> getting thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough,
>> adding a VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.
>>
>> But you can still add a splitter on your own...
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> L
>>
>> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
>> masthead antenna for both.
>>
>> Dang!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Frederick
>> G Street via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
>> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
>> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
>> transceiver, it’s *actually got TWO antenna connections* on the back;
>> one for VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…
>> :^)
>>
>>
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any
>> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Only if you were looking to be ISAF compliant...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-12 5:55 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.

So you would still need a splitter.

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The Panbo 
review<http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html>
 talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in getting 
thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough, adding a 
VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.

But you can still add a splitter on your own...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
:(
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>]
 On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
Cc: Frederick G Street 
<f...@postaudio.net><javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','f...@postaudio.net');>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>> 
wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS




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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

I think you can have a dedicated AIS antenna if it is at least 3m from the
water line.

Ed

On Oct 12, 2016 4:56 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.
>
> So you would still need a splitter.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The Panbo review
>> <http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html>
>> talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in
>> getting thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough,
>> adding a VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.
>>
>> But you can still add a splitter on your own...
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> L
>>
>> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
>> masthead antenna for both.
>>
>> Dang!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Frederick
>> G Street via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
>> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
>> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
>> transceiver, it’s *actually got TWO antenna connections* on the back;
>> one for VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…
>> :^)
>>
>>
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any
>> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
>> are greatly appreciated!
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>>
>>
>
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Stus-List AIS VHF

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

There are two antennas with AIS - an AIS antenna, and a VHF antenna
connected to the AIS unit.  Neither one has to be on the mast.  Both of
mine are attached to the pushpit.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

ISAF requires that the AIS be connected to a masthead antenna.

So you would still need a splitter.

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, G Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The Panbo review
> <http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html>
> talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in
> getting thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough,
> adding a VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.
>
> But you can still add a splitter on your own...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>
> L
>
> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
> masthead antenna for both.
>
> Dang!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','f...@postaudio.net');>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
>
>
> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
> transceiver, it’s *actually got TWO antenna connections* on the back; one
> for VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Fred
>
>
>
> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any
> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>
>
>
> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
>
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> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
> are greatly appreciated!
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[G Collins via CnC-List]

The Panbo 
review<http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html>
 talks about that, Ben's conclusion seems to be that the difficulty in getting 
thru certifying a combo VHF and AIS transponder is daunting enough, adding a 
VHF splitter to that would make the challenge too much.

But you can still add a splitter on your own...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-10-12 10:59 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
:(
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net><mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS




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Stus-List AIS VHF

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I bought a Digital Yacht AIS with transponder from Fred Street a couple of
years ago.  It's been very handy, especially when meeting a commercial ship
and not knowing in which direction they would be turning.  Having a
separate VHF antenna is handy as an emergency antenna if I were to lose my
mast.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

AIS envy is a terrible thing!

I'll want one before the 2018 A2B!

Joel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Steve Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I was trying to figure why they would have provided 2 antenna connections
> in the first place. My conclusion was that for a vessel that is required to
> have a transponder on all of the time, a single antenna VHF/AIS combo unit
> might not satisfy the requirement since it would not be able to receive or
> transmit AIS data while voice transmissions were in progress. It would be a
> small gap, but maybe enough to run afoul of the regulations.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a
> built in splitter.  This is nothing new.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Steve Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>
> Cc: Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
> I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are
> voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is
> big enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my
> opinion.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  "Della Barba wrote:
> ☹
> That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the
> masthead antenna for both.
> Dang!
> Joe
> Coquina
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>
> Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF
>
> Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to
> allow the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and
> also a lot of FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS
> transceiver, it’s actually got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for
> VHF and one for AIS.  That would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I was trying to figure why they would have provided 2 antenna connections in 
the first place. My conclusion was that for a vessel that is required to have a 
transponder on all of the time, a single antenna VHF/AIS combo unit might not 
satisfy the requirement since it would not be able to receive or transmit AIS 
data while voice transmissions were in progress. It would be a small gap, but 
maybe enough to run afoul of the regulations. 

Steve Thomas 
C MKIII 
Port Stanley, ON  

 Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 
FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a built in 
splitter.  This is nothing new.  



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Now if Garmin would only combine the as box with their vhf box they'd be an 
industry leader. It could be their vhf 900 series. 


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 2016-10-12  2:19 PM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Pete Shelquist <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF 

FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a built in 
splitter.  This is nothing new.  



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

FWIW, my separate Garmin AIS and radio use one antenna.  The AIS has a built in 
splitter.  This is nothing new.  



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I can't see any reason not to use a single antenna on vessels that are 
voluntarily equipped with AIS. Time will tell if the recreational market is big 
enough for someone to make a suitable rig. It ought to be, in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

☹
That is 99% of the reason I wanted the combined unit. I wanted to use the 
masthead antenna for both.
Dang!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 09:49
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Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Hi, Mike — no, I highly doubt there will be any kind of upgrade path to allow 
the GX2200 to transmit.  That takes a bunch more electronics, and also a lot of 
FCC certification.  If you look at the new VHF/AIS transceiver, it’s actually 
got TWO antenna connections on the back; one for VHF and one for AIS.  That 
would be tough to add to the GX2200…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Fred
>  
> We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
> indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?
>  
> We would very much like the ships to know where we are
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List AIS VHF

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks Fred

We currently have the GX2200 which has AIS receive only.  Is there any 
indication that this can be modified to transmit AIS information as well?

We would very much like the ships to know where we are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:28 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Stus-List AIS VHF

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html

As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Stus-List AIS VHF

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Well, my prediction a couple of months ago that it would be a while before we 
saw combined AIS/VHF transceivers has been proven wrong:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2016/10/standard_horizon_gx6500_a_loaded_vhf_radio_also_integrated_with_class_b_ais.html
 


As soon as these are approved and available through distribution, I’ll be able 
to price them for C listers; let me know if you’re interested (Joel…   :^)

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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