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Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Jack Hand jackh...@hotmail.com wrote: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: This business of One of the reasons why we don't support a stylus is that it can be lost is so ridiculous that I have to wonder if he even really said it, or if that's what he really meant. Maybe it was just an off-the-cuff remark that he made without thinking. However you slice it, it makes no sense. Read, from PC Magazine: When PCMag's editor-in-chief Lance Ulanoff put together a list of dream features for the forthcoming Apple iPad tablet earlier in the week, a stylus ranked pretty high. But Lance's dream was just that--Steve Jobs, after all, has long been anti-stylus, as evidenced by the iPhone. Upon its release, Jobs told a crowd, Who wants a stylus. You have to get 'em and put 'em away, and you lose 'em. Yuck. Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus. The guy said yuck. Evidence doesn't come much stronger than that. See, on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhpBlINkUo The Youtube video is edited and goes overboard, but it does capture Jobs flailing his arms about, whipping up the crowd at the iPhone launch, and setting the table for his view of a world without pointing or drawing or writing instruments, other than the finger, for use with computers. And, yes, he says that Apple will not support or supply styli because they can get lost. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:05 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Actually, the only thing serious in this discussion is your utter lack of imagination. There's another ad hominem again. There's always gotta be at least one on every group who throws those around. Thank goodness there is only one here. I never once put down any of the drawings or artwork created on the iPhone or even on the iPad. Drawings created on the iPhone are going to have their limitations, and such limitations may well produce a certain look that can be associated with the medium used. Artists are doing a good job of working with what they have to work with. I never said otherwise. My one and only point throughout has been that a stylus can be a valuable asset when drawing or writing in freehand mode, and that Mr. Jobs reasoning for not providing a stylus with his products is silly. He did not say that styli do not work well. Millions of artists, engineers, architects and others who create images using computers will attest to the value of those devices. He said Apple is not going to supply them because you have to get them, put them away and they can get lost. That is just plain dumb ass. Were he not making such statements before a crowd of adoring fans who will cheer his every syllable, I doubt he would have said such. He said that Nobody wants a stylus. He is obviously wrong in that and seriously misinformed. He offered no reasons for his decision to dispense with the stylus based upon the usefulness or viability of those devices as drawing instruments. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Read, from PC Magazine: When PCMag's editor-in-chief Lance Ulanoff put together a list of dream features for the forthcoming Apple iPad tablet earlier in the week, a stylus ranked pretty high. But Lance's dream was just that--Steve Jobs, after all, has long been anti-stylus, as evidenced by the iPhone. Upon its release, Jobs told a crowd, Who wants a stylus. You have to get 'em and put 'em away, and you lose 'em. Yuck. Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus. The guy said yuck. Evidence doesn't come much stronger than that. See, on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhpBlINkUo The Youtube video is edited and goes overboard, but it does capture Jobs flailing his arms about, whipping up the crowd at the iPhone launch, and setting the table for his view of a world without pointing or drawing or writing instruments, other than the finger, for use with computers. And, yes, he says that Apple will not support or supply styli because they can get lost. Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, John Emmerling wrote: Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? Spam is indeed rare around here -- thanks to AOL's filters. Jack has been subscribed since 1999 so I suspect that his PC is pwned. If we get more of this I will put him on moderation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. What a bizarre thing to say: I don't like innovation, so all progress must stop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:41 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: What others are arguing, is that the physical nature of painting with a brush, or drawing with a range of pens and pencils, can be duplicated using a computer to change the characteristics of the single drawing implement you use. And therefore, the implement doesn't matter that much. Exactly, hence my comment about lack of imagination and illusions to parallel ports. Whenever somebody innovates we see a swell of nay sayers who can't imagine that anything could be done differently than it is being done currently. And around here great umbrage that blinders are being disturbed. Did anyone notice that most drawing programs are operated using a mouse and that moving a mouse requires the use of one's entire arm, including a whole bunch of fingers. Both mouse and arm are considerably larger than a finger. Yet it works fine. I expect that the iPad will bring an explosion of innovation in user interfaces. This is going to make the next few years especially difficult for M$. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 8:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: When PCMag's editor-in-chief Lance Ulanoff put together a list of dream features for the forthcoming Apple iPad tablet earlier in the week, a stylus ranked pretty high. PCMag is negative about Apple. -- This is news? An editor-in-chief pontificates about what a graphic artist wants. -- He's got no cred. He calls it Apple iPad tablet. -- It is not a tablet computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 8:35 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: My one and only point throughout has been that a stylus can be a valuable asset when drawing or writing in freehand mode Anyone who has used a stylus for more than a few minutes will tell you that it makes the fingers cramp. Telling you that you are flat our wrong is not arguing ad hominem. It is telling you that you are flat out wrong. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:09 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have something against using computers to produce hand rendered drawings? Do you think all drawing done on computers should only use strictly mathematical input to create strokes and shapes? I think you have not been keeping up with this field. There are a number of ways to randomize built into these programs. To insist that the product is no good because you want it to use it in a silly way is just silly. And nothing will prevent you from using it in a silly way. Your objection is that it doesn't include special features that encourage your using it in a silly way. All I can say is: far out! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. Well, I guess Apple is his company to run, thus he can do whatever he wants to with it. However, he did not build his case against styli upon any foundation other than his own personal aversion to them which was amply illustrated when he said, Yuck, along with the addition of three other reasons. One, you have to obtain one, two, you have to put them somewhere when they are not in use, and three, they can get lost. To my ear, that describes virtually any product manufactured anywhere in the world, including those made by Apple. Completely nonsensical to me, but perhaps my view on that is limited because of my utter lack of imagination. Now, had Jobs stated some real technical reasons why styli are useless, not wanted by anyone and are actually yucky, I could perhaps agree with his assessment. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. What a bizarre thing to say: I don't like innovation, so all progress must stop. And it's progress because Jobs says so, I guess. I'd love to see someone try to draw some nice cross-hatched shading--regular but not geometrically perfect--using only a finger. Now, if Jobs had said, We're not going to provide a stylus because iPad is not intended to be the tool of choice for CREATING detailed graphics, fine. That would make sense. I would accept that as a reasonable explanation. But We're not supporting a stylus because it can get lost is ludicrous. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But how does a spam filter catch this (referenced) message? There was no subject to the message. The only content to the message was a URL. The text of the URL was entirely cryptic, i.e., it gave no hint whatsoever of the content of the web page that the URL links to. The only way that a spam filter could evaluate the link would be for the spam filter to open the link and evaluate the content found at the link. Do any spam filters do that now? If so, it must be a very time consuming process for the spam filter. I suppose that the spam filter could evaluate a link once, and then react to each appearance of the link (in many messages) IAW a stored evaluation of the link. Could the spammer generate a different link for each message, or at least many different links to the one page (through redirectlon)? This is the first spam message of this type (having the above-listed characteristics) that I've seen. It could have had a benign/misleading subject, rather than no subject, and still the spam filter would have nothing to work on without opening the link and evaluating the web page's content. Fred Holmes At 09:26 AM 2/15/2010, tjpa wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, John Emmerling wrote: Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? Spam is indeed rare around here -- thanks to AOL's filters. Jack has been subscribed since 1999 so I suspect that his PC is pwned. If we get more of this I will put him on moderation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] What happened to the headers?
Can someone explain what happened to the headers in Digest mode? I miss being able to easily follow a subject, or even see who posted (if no name is included in the post), for any given topic. I really treasure being part of this list, but it's getting too confusing to follow most conversations the way it's coming across lately. Mical Wimoth Carton chrper...@aol.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Exactly, hence my comment about lack of imagination and illusions to parallel ports. Whenever somebody innovates we see a swell of nay sayers who can't imagine that anything could be done differently than it is being done currently. And around here great umbrage that blinders are being disturbed. Using a finger to activate a touch screen is no longer innovative. That has been around for a long time. You are giving Mr. Jobs credit he does not deserve in this instance. Neither I or anybody else has said that no drawing or input should be realized by way of the finger on a tablet-based computer. I have advocated for either a finger or a fine tipped stylus. In simple terms, a choice. Mr. jobs abhors choice in this instance and seeks to deny it. Thus I disagree with him and point out technical reasons why I disagree. Technical reasons are something that he totally left out of his rant against styli. The closest he came to technical was the use of the relatively childish word yuck. Did anyone notice that most drawing programs are operated using a mouse and that moving a mouse requires the use of one's entire arm, including a whole bunch of fingers. Both mouse and arm are considerably larger than a finger. Yet it works fine. I truly believe that you have seriously missed the point. Placing one's finger upon an iPhone screen in order to draw covers a portion of the screen that is probably close to the amount of screen area that would be covered were I to place my entire hand upon the screen of my iMac. Would I like to draw in such a fashion? Would that be the best option? I expect that the iPad will bring an explosion of innovation in user interfaces. Quite possibly. One of the first just might be a stylus offered by Apple. Consumer demand, you know. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I didn't recognize Jack Hand (the sender) as a poster to the list. I keep everything stored in my Eudora mail client. I find only five postings from him since 2005, and the most recent prior post being on 9/4/2006. He made several postings in 2004, but not a whole lot. Fred Holmes At 09:26 AM 2/15/2010, tjpa wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, John Emmerling wrote: Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? Spam is indeed rare around here -- thanks to AOL's filters. Jack has been subscribed since 1999 so I suspect that his PC is pwned. If we get more of this I will put him on moderation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: I think you have not been keeping up with this field. There are a number of ways to randomize built into these programs. To insist that the product is no good because you want it to use it in a silly way is just silly. And nothing will prevent you from using it in a silly way. Your objection is that it doesn't include special features that encourage your using it in a silly way. I keep up with such applications quite well, and I am fully aware of what you speak. I remain convinced that I should have the opportunity to be just as silly as I want to be. It could even be that what seems silly to you may not seem silly to others. Neither myself or any other here, to the best of my knowledge, has written a single word about any product being no good because it lacks a stylus for input, a device that to you and Mr. Jobs find to be silly. Please, let us try to be factual in our statements. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't we all dump inscrutable messages nowadays? What is the kerfuffle? --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Subject: [CGUYS] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:41 AM I didn't recognize Jack Hand (the sender) as a poster to the list. I keep everything stored in my Eudora mail client. I find only five postings from him since 2005, and the most recent prior post being on 9/4/2006. He made several postings in 2004, but not a whole lot. Fred Holmes At 09:26 AM 2/15/2010, tjpa wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, John Emmerling wrote: Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? Spam is indeed rare around here -- thanks to AOL's filters. Jack has been subscribed since 1999 so I suspect that his PC is pwned. If we get more of this I will put him on moderation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Stuff like this is why I think Tom is just playing us all, being the troll to get the list going, no one is this obtuse and can still function out in the world. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone notice that most drawing programs are operated using a mouse and that moving a mouse requires the use of one's entire arm, including a whole bunch of fingers. Both mouse and arm are considerably larger than a finger. Yet it works fine. I can't believe you said this seriously. The key isn't the size of the pointing device (be it arm, mouse, stylus, or finger), it's how much of the screen is hidden by the pointing device. The mouse may be large, but, unless you have a very strange way of using it, it doesn't cover any of the screen. A stylus covers very little of the screen. A finger covers quite a lot. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: But how does a spam filter catch this (referenced) message? There was no subject to the message. The only content to the message was a URL. AOL's methods are secret. SpamAssassin's methods are public and probably typical. SA assigns points for various characteristics. No subject would get you points. A very short message would get you points, The entire message being a URL would get you points. They also look at lots of information in the header. They check where the email came from. They cross check the URL against the listed IP. Etc. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: I didn't recognize Jack Hand (the sender) as a poster to the list. I keep everything stored in my Eudora mail client. I find only five postings from him since 2005, and the most recent prior post being on 9/4/2006. He made several postings in 2004, but not a whole lot. So you think this was a deep cover spammer who has been plotting since 1999 to send us this one load of crap? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:03 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I guess Apple is his company to run, thus he can do whatever he wants to with it. None of you answered the question. HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? Answer the question! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, and I made no such allegation. At 12:53 PM 2/15/2010, tjpa wrote: So you think this was a deep cover spammer who has been plotting since 1999 to send us this one load of crap? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What happened to the headers?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:30 AM, chrper...@aol.com wrote: Can someone explain what happened to the headers in Digest mode? I miss being able to easily follow a subject, or even see who posted (if no name is included in the post), for any given topic. I really treasure being part of this list, but it's getting too confusing to follow most conversations the way it's coming across lately. I changed your setting to Dual Headers. Let me know if this helps. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? What is the average circumference of our moon? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:56 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Jobs said that he wants to see fingers used on his portable devices for pointing purposes as opposed to using a stylus, thus he shuns the stylus and refuses to provide one even though he could make more money were he to do so. Jobs has publicly stated that the finger is the best pointing tool in the world. Shall we compare Steve Jobs's track record to yours? How many private jets do you own? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
Snack sausages sales are on the increase in South Korea because of the cold weather; they are useful as a meat stylus for those who don't want to take off their gloves to use their iPhones. http://www.gearfuse.com/south-koreans-using-meat-as-an-iphone-stylus * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. What a bizarre thing to say: I don't like innovation, so all progress must stop. Since when are touch screens an innovation? Stylus or touch screen or sausage, whatever you like. Koko the gorilla, gorilla.org, has used a touch screen with her computer to speak words. Maybe she has multitouch now. Sausages with touch screens: Now THAT'S innovation! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:59 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Shall we compare Steve Jobs's track record to yours? How many private jets do you own? Is this your primary, perhaps even only means of calculating the worthiness of individuals? My goodness, what do jet aircraft have to do with fingers versus styli? I thought we were talking computer stuff here? What is with this attempt at put downs? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Snack sausages sales are on the increase in South Korea because of the cold weather; they are useful as a meat stylus for those who don't want to take off their gloves to use their iPhones. As soon as Apple sees how iPhone and iPad users want to use something other than their fingers, they will come up with a stylus. But, then again, maybe not, for God has spoken and the wedded masses cheered as the device was smitten and cast asunder, banished forever to the land of the silly unimaginative ones. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Shall we compare Steve Jobs's track record to yours? How many private jets do you own? Should we not, then, also compare Bill Gate's track record to Jobs's? I wouldn't be surprised if Gates just gave away more money than Jobs is worth. Therefore you must concede that Gates is by far the greater innovator (or whatever attribute it is you're talking about). This is a rather nonsensical response to the question of whether those who would like to us a stylus should be allowed to do so, even if Jobs personally thinks they're yucky. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Mean radius1 737.10 km (0.273 Earths) Equatorial radius 1 738.14 km (0.273 Earths) Polar radius1 735.97 km (0.273 Earths) Flattening 0.001 25 Circumference 10 921 km (equatorial) Source and further information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon Clear skies, John J Settle (longitude 76W 56#39; 30.34, latitude 38N 57#39; 22.06) From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 1:18:43 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad? On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? What is the average circumference of our moon? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
Snack sausages sales are on the increase in South Korea because of the cold weather; they are useful as a meat stylus for those who don't want to take off their gloves to use their iPhones. As soon as Apple sees how iPhone and iPad users want to use something other than their fingers, they will come up with a stylus. But, then again, maybe not, for God has spoken and the wedded masses cheered as the device was smitten and cast asunder, banished forever to the land of the silly unimaginative ones. The iPhone/Touch/iPad are designed for fingers [or meat]. There are many reasons why I don't want to have an iPhone, but for people to insist that it needs to have a stylus are asking for them to change a successful design for an arbitrary reason. Do you have a iPhone or Touch? If not, lack of a stylus isn't important. There are plenty of other smart devices that you can use with a stylus, just not an Apple device. Those who were frustrated that there's no Mac netbook have hacked netbooks that run OS X [Hackintosh]. Those who have Macs and need to run Windows have emulators for that. This looks like an opportunity, not a defect. Search for iPhone stylus and you'll find dozens of choices, just not one from Apple. How do you do multitouch with a stylus? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:07 PM, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com wrote: Mean radius 1 737.10 km (0.273 Earths) Equatorial radius 1 738.14 km (0.273 Earths) Polar radius 1 735.97 km (0.273 Earths) Flattening 0.001 25 Circumference 10 921 km (equatorial) Source and further information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon Clear skies, John J Settle (longitude 76W 56' 30.34, latitude 38N 57' 22.06) Thank you. This response is of far more meaning than how many jet aircraft I may happen to own, which happens to be classified information. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Should we not, then, also compare Bill Gate's track record to Jobs's? I wouldn't be surprised if Gates just gave away more money than Jobs is worth. Mr. Jobs name does not, to the best of my knowledge, appear on any lists of persons who have donated $1 million or more to charitable organizations. He is not known for being a philanthropist, offering his excess wealth to those in greater need than he. If he does donate substantial amounts, he keeps it a secret, which would be quite uncharacteristic for wealthy persons to do. He is, and I do not mean to sound unkind here, best known for being a charismatic huckster. He does contribute to politicians, mostly Democrats, but does so under the name of his wife. He once considered the possibility of running for Governor of California, but did not do so. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:24 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: As soon as Apple sees how iPhone and iPad users want to use something other than their fingers, they will come up with a stylus. You didn't answer the question! HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: This looks like an opportunity, not a defect. Search for iPhone stylus and you'll find dozens of choices, just not one from Apple. How do you do multitouch with a stylus? Are not S Korean's adept with chop sticks? I suppose they just hold two frozen sausages in the approved manner. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intuit's amazing sidestep
What OS are you running it on? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: WTH is an engine log? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Q. Fisher quentin.fis...@verizon.net wrote: After jumping through all of Intuit's hoops, thought I could get my taxes done today while the snow melts (ha!). After a few hours of data entry the program crashes with an error 25300 that includes a link to Intuit for the solution! So they must know about it. I also found on several ocassions inormation entered into a wprkpage did not get sent onto the form it was to support, and the numbers had to be entered in over-ride mode. I've not found Turbotax to be buggy in years past, but this year is making up for it! Here's what Intuit's support page says: Error 25300 When Using TurboTax Updated: 1/13/2010 Article ID: 7760 It has been reported that Error 25300 occurs when using TurboTax, most commonly when switching from forms mode to interview mode and when trying to open a tax file that has already been saved. We are aware of this issue and are currently investigating it. In order for us to pinpoint the root cause of the situation, we would like to review engine logs from affected users. -- -- Quentin A. Fisher Bethesda, MD * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what database is used to check the face; if FaceBook, I can see an iPhone app for that. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Science Friday recently had an interesting segment on facial recognition. snip And eventually being able to use it to get an instant ID for anybody you meet on the street. I think that last one is pretty much out of the question for normal folks. Law enforcement and homeland security interests will see to that. Given Google Picassa's facial recognition which works ok and facebook tags there is a decent chance that a face can be recognized. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: You didn't answer the question! HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? What was that? I didn't hear you. Could you please speak a bit louder? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
I am dubious about facial recognition by computer in regard to accuracy. For some reason, I can recognize faces that I have ever seen -- those that I don't know that sit in a restaurant, those who pass by in a food supermarket or on a sidewalk, those that I see at a large concert, etc. -- even for decades later after they age. Not an advantage at all for me: I can't remember the place that I saw their face, nor can I remember names of anyone even those that I know well (example: my mother, my best friend, etc.). Yesterday I was playing a concert in a local church and was obliged to sit looking at the congregation. I will always remember the hundreds of faces that I saw there, but several I have seen somewhere before. One was a woman that I was unable to decide whether or not I had seen her face before or whether her face was an identical copy of a movie actress. Her face not only looked like a face that I remembered, but also her facial expressions (E.g., she didn't turn her head all the way to look where she gazed, but tilted her head a bit to the side and shifted her eyes.) I stared at her face for so long, trying to decide, actress or not, that she became aware of my stares, and I endeavored to avert my eyes for the rest of the service. My point is: even with the best of facial recognition software for the foreseeable future, there will always be a false identification; and following a false identification there will be much anguish. There will be errors especially if the software uses only a still image for recognition, not a movie that shows changes in facial characteristics in real situations. John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what database is used to check the face; if FaceBook, I can see an iPhone app for that. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Science Friday recently had an interesting segment on facial recognition. snip And eventually being able to use it to get an instant ID for anybody you meet on the street. I think that last one is pretty much out of the question for normal folks. Law enforcement and homeland security interests will see to that. Given Google Picassa's facial recognition which works ok and facebook tags there is a decent chance that a face can be recognized. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:44 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Given Google Picassa's facial recognition which works ok and facebook tags there is a decent chance that a face can be recognized. Hasn't law enforcement tried this already, for instance in Virginia Beach, Virginia? The claim was that authorities would be able to recognize any number of criminals they were looking for from scanning surveillance cameras spread about in the city, and hopefully catch a bunch of crooks. If I correctly recall the outcome, they were never able to identify a single wanted suspect throughout the entire experimental operation and gave up on it. I think this was also tried at some professional football games in Tampa with similar negative results. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus
You know, Bill Gates probably doesn't own any because they're most often leased. - Original Message - From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: You didn't answer the question! HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? What was that? I didn't hear you. Could you please speak a bit louder? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
Interesting. But you forgot to mention what apps you've tried. At least Picasa I assume? Did it actually give you a lot of false hits? I've found it to be absolutely uncanny in picking faces out of some of the worst shots. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: I am dubious about facial recognition by computer in regard to accuracy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intuit's amazing sidestep
After checking TurboTax Support on the web: 1. A link to Article 7760 (quoted in the original message) is here: http://turbotax.intuit.com/support/kb/general-program-issues/entering-your-data/7760.html 2. A link on that page (Capture your engine log files) is here: http://turbotax.intuit.com/support/kb/installing/installation/7646.html 3. That page tells where to find log files after recreating errors, and what to do next. It assumes two cases: a. Windows 7 or Vista, or b. Windows XP or 2000 -Andy On 2/15/2010 5:53 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: What OS are you running it on? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: WTH is an engine log? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Q. Fisher quentin.fis...@verizon.net wrote: After jumping through all of Intuit's hoops, thought I could get my taxes done today while the snow melts (ha!). After a few hours of data entry the program crashes with an error 25300 that includes a link to Intuit for the solution! So they must know about it. I also found on several ocassions inormation entered into a wprkpage did not get sent onto the form it was to support, and the numbers had to be entered in over-ride mode. I've not found Turbotax to be buggy in years past, but this year is making up for it! Here's what Intuit's support page says: Error 25300 When Using TurboTax Updated: 1/13/2010 Article ID: 7760 It has been reported that Error 25300 occurs when using TurboTax, most commonly when switching from forms mode to interview mode and when trying to open a tax file that has already been saved. We are aware of this issue and are currently investigating it. In order for us to pinpoint the root cause of the situation, we would like to review engine logs from affected users. -- -- Quentin A. Fisher Bethesda, MD -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Tony B wrote: Interesting. But you forgot to mention what apps you've tried. At least Picasa I assume? Did it actually give you a lot of false hits? I've found it to be absolutely uncanny in picking faces out of some of the worst shots. I agree with Tony -- so it must be true. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
