Re: Why Debian
On Monday, November 18, 2013 09:04:12 PM Tamer Higazi wrote: 1. Because I don't like a commercial sponsored operating system. How knows on what kind of stupid idea they come to collect data. To me, this is a point that is not emphasized enough. With the NSA revelations that Microsoft, Apple, et al, have cooperated on eviscerating their encryption and are working with the US gov't to undermine their own customers/users, Debian and the free software warld should be highlighting this key difference in free software. -- The United States became the target of terrorists on 9/11 not because of the country's freedom and democracy, but because U.S. Middle East policy has had nothing to do with freedom and democracy. -- Stephen Zunes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201311182306.09787.redwa...@golgotha.net
Re: Content Management System sought
Do you know any other software pieces that feature the above and are preferably contained in Debian? My advice would be to look into PostNuke http://www.postnuke.com with various modules (e.g. phpWiki). I run it on http://www.debianhelp.org and I think you'll see all the features there that you're looking for. PostNuke does exist as a Debian package, but it changes rapidly and I'm not sure how recent the Debian package is. -- Regards, | What's free software? - Free speech? Free beer? .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless card recommendations
Any recommendations as to cards that have worked with Debian? The Lucent Orinico cards get mentioned in my google trawls on the subject but seem rather expensive... Yes, but IMHO they're worth it (did you check www.pricewatch.com for prices?). Mindlessly simple setup, great Linux support, and good quality/performance. (Have read the Hardware HOWTO but would like some more debian-specific advice!) There has been a couple of threads on http://www.debianhelp.org on this topic. See: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3124mode=nestedorder=0thold=0 and http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3120mode=nestedorder=0thold=0. -- Regards, | What's free software? - Free speech? Free beer? .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless card recommendations
Any recommendations as to cards that have worked with Debian? The Lucent Orinico cards get mentioned in my google trawls on the subject but seem rather expensive... Yes, but IMHO they're worth it (did you check www.pricewatch.com for prices?). Mindlessly simple setup, great Linux support, and good quality/performance. (Have read the Hardware HOWTO but would like some more debian-specific advice!) There has been a couple of threads on http://www.debianhelp.org on this topic. See: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3124mode=nestedorder=0thold=0 and http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3120mode=nestedorder=0thold=0. -- Regards, | What's free software? - Free speech? Free beer? .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modem
I have to buy new modem and I have dilemma what to buy. Is there any suggestion? What is better usb or serial modem, external or internal, and what's more important which modem works on Debian? All modems are serial -- that just refers to the way they send bits to the computer (e.g. USB = Universal Serial Bus). Despite the extra cost, I prefer external modems. The diagnostic lights are invaluable and I'm assured that an external won't be a WinModem. The key is to avoid a WinModem or softmodem. These are barely support in Linux (a few models are, but the vast majority aren't). WinModems dump processing onto the OS (Windows) via a device driver and thus save some money on hardware/circuitry. When buying an internal modem you can find models that are not WinModems, but you have to ask and double-check (often the sales people will lie and tell you that it's not a WinModem just to sell something). Sorry, can't help you with USB modems as I have no experience with them. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Live Wiki on debianhelp.org
Just a quick note to say that the WikiWikiWeb module is now up and running for public use on http://www.DebianHELP.org. The idea behind this Wiki is for users to write up and document their problems/solutions, and to create some HOW-TOs, READ.MEs, and various documentation specifically related to Debian GNU/Linux and its associated software. With the WikiWikiWeb format, any person can create a document and then others can come along later and edit the document adding clarity and/or more detail. This gives a group-edit capability that can be quite powerful. So, got a solution to a common problem in Debian that you think others should know about? Did you do something particularly clever (or even routine!:-) that you think others might benefit by having it clearly documented? If so, why not write it up? You can access the Wiki either via http://www.debianhelp.org or more directly at http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=phpWikifile=indexpagename=IndexPage. -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because reboots are for hardware upgrades. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice + Unstable
Hmm... I was running a 2.4.2 kernel. In view of what you said I got the 2.4.3 kernel source and tried that - no change - same error, and then tried my last 2.4.1 kernel - still no-go. There's a thread on this issue on the DebianHELP site http://www.debianhelp.org/viewtopic.php?topic=5forum=12 which explains the StarOffice problem along with suggested fixes. Hope it helps, . Randy
Re: KDE
Ted Gervais wrote: I was wondering how others are installing KDE with Debian. I select apt-get install kde, and it can't find it. This must be a FAQ... If you check out http://kde.tdyc.com/ you'll find apt lines for potato. Just add the line to /etc/apt/sources.list, run dselect and do an update, and then you'll see several KDE tasks that you can install. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Then check out http://www.debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: Installing KDE 2 using apt-get
Please, do someone know how to install KDE 2 using apt-get? If you go to http://kde.tdyc.com/ you'll find details on adding a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file which will allow you to install KDE2 in *.deb format. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: mysql-server broken
Actually, the postinst doesn't go through and I ran into that on my laptop. I found that purging the package (make sure you don't have it set to kill your databases!) and a clean reinstall it would install perfectly. Not a slick solution, but a working one... -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: mysql-server broken
Tried that, too. Still segfaulting and postinst doesn't work. Sorry, I forgot to mention my entire procedure. Here's exactly what I did: 1) I purged mysql-server. 2) This of course, left my /var/lib/mysql subdirectory intact. I then moved /var/lib/mysql to something like /var/lib/mysql.good. 3) I did a reinstall of mysql-server and it went smoothly. 4) I then shut down mysql killed the new /var/lib/mysql subdir and moved the good subdirectory back to being /var/lib/mysql. 5) After restarting the server, all ran well. -- Regards, | Seeing Bill Gates in TV ads whining about the court verdict, .| perhaps we should recall Woodrow Wilson's warning of 1912: If Randy| there are men in this country big enough to own the government | of the United States, they are going to own it.
Re: Going Debian: advice request
but I´d like to have some packages in more bleeding-edge versions. Any problem about that? Should I install woody instead if I intend to use non-stable packages? Woody's definitely unstable. You can install various items from unstable into a potato system. Whether you should go all woody or not depends on whether the packages you want to install depend on a lot of other dependencies. IMHO, if they don't, it's probably best to stick to a basically potato with a few woody packages installed idea. However, if they're something that depend on a lot of other woody packages, it might be best to go with a full woody install and roll with the punches. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: problems with netscape
I am no fan of Microsoft, but I have come to hate Netscape. I'm quite sure you're not the only one... :-( IE has simply become a better browser. Sad, but probably true. I hope I am wrong, but there really is no alternative, is there? I'm hoping that Mozilla saves us. The latest in unstable is milestone 18, but if you grab the daily builds directly from the Mozilla.org site you can install them easily in your ~ directory. The problem is that Mozilla is still in beta -- it's not as fast as Netscape and it also has its bugs. Still, it's quite useable. Another browser out there is Opera, which is commercial. They've just released a free[sic] version, which feeds ads instead of making you pay directly for it. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: Keyboard randomly generates a `
I've seen the freezing on more than one keyboard that subsequently became completely useless. I'd consider a new keyboard based on that alone. I've seen this behavior on many keyboards: MS Natural clones, Dell keyboards, random cheapo-type keyboards -- a wide variety. I've never seen it at boot or to cause locks, nor experienced the keyboards failing after a period of time. I see just a ` character generated at random times while the machine/keyboard is in operation. Anyone know what is causing the ` to be generated (bash really likes those chars tossed in here or there!:-). -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: Office software - and printers
1) What office software is available (preferably free, but non-free is fine) for Debian? Both GNOME and KDE have office suites available for them. However, though it's not a Debian package, my favorite is StarOffice. StarOffice is now GPL and though it's a pig for resources, I've found it quite easy for typical secretaries and newbies to use/learn. 2) Are there any printers recommended for use with Debian? Most printers work fine with Debian. Make sure you install the magicfilter package (and its various dependent packages) and then run its magicfilterconfig command. -- Regards,| Need some help with Debian GNU/Linux? . | Randy | Look no further than http://debianhelp.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |
Re: Device name for serial mouse?
S what device name should I feed to gpmconfig? Typically you'll use /dev/ttyS0 (note the capital 'S') for COM1, and /dev/ttyS1 for COM2. If you don't need support for ttys, you don't really have to use gpm -- you could just edit the XF86Config file directly. There's an article on http://www.debianhelp.org about this very topic. -- Regards, | Windows ME: n. minor bug-fix/patch release of 32-bit .| extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to Randy| an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit | microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't | stand for 1 bit of competition.
Call for articles, HOW-TOs, and tips
A new web site has been started called debianHELP at http://www.debianhelp.org. DebianHELP's name is self-explanatory and the site is a slash-like format designed to feature helpful articles/advice on running Debian GNU/Linux, and for people to trade tips/carry on conversations to solve problems. For a more verbose idea of the site, read http://www.debianhelp.org/about.php. The purpose of this message is to solicit articles and helpful advice for the web site. These articles will hopefully be more likely to be read compared to some of the gems which come through the mailing lists and are tucked away in the list archives. What kind of articles are needed? Everything! These don't have to be in-depth articles, but anything that shares your experience and would help a rookie Debian user. For example, here are some thoughts: * How about something explaining the mail system? Explain MTAs, MUAs, the role of procmail. Or how about giving some explanations for typical setups and how a newbie would configure their system using eximconfig? * Have you examined all of the various packages of a certain type of program (e.g. mail clients or proxy servers or mailing list managers or ...) lately while choosing which one was best for you? Why not write up a short summary of your experiences and save someone else the trouble of doing what you did? * How about giving an overview of the various states/stages of a Debian release -- what is unstable, frozen, stable, and why or why not someone should run a particular version? * How about explaining common security measures that a typical newbie will overlook? Or typical measures that you take for extra security when installing a new Debian system? * Why not tackle a small HOW-TO on how to create a Debian kernel with Debian's own tools? * How about explaining some of the many tips that experienced Debian users know but that newbies take a while to learn? For example, how to make a new startup script with update-rc.d or what /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list is for? Can you think of any other ideas? Go for it! It doesn't matter what your level of expertise is -- believe me, I'm sure there's knowledge you have that you can write up and share which would benefit others. If you feel the same way, drop by http://www.debianhelp.org and post an article and share the wealth. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
Re: I want out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rik M antropov wrote: I want to be off all your mailing lists and forums. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null If the list mantainer is watching, could I make a suggestion? The above sig takes two lines. Since people not understanding how to unsubscribe would typically be novices, could we use those two lines fully and make it a bit easier on them? I've seen similar types of messages before, and the way the above is phrased is rather cryptic, and of course the mail command wouldn't work on a Windows system. How about instead making the sig something like: If you want to unsubscribe, E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject line of unsubscribe. Or something similar. There's only a few bytes difference, but it would be far easier for a newbie to understand and would probably result in far fewer off-topic messages like we see from rik above. FWIW. -- Regards, | What's free software? - Free speech? Free beer? .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Re: staroffice
I downloaded the Staroffice binaries (10 files with an extension of .bin) from the Sun site and realized I have no idea how to install them *.bin files are binary files, i.e. programs. Assuming you want to install these as a normal user (which is typical for StarOffice), do the following: cd ~ chmod +x so*.bin This would change to your home directory and then make so*.bin executable. Then run the first file and see what it does (sorry, I've only installed the one big StarOffice file). -- Regards, | Seeing Bill Gates in TV ads whining about the court verdict, .| perhaps we should recall Woodrow Wilson's warning of 1912: If Randy| there are men in this country big enough to own the government | of the United States, they are going to own it.
Article: Debian's Daunting Installation
Has anyone seen Joe Barr's article in LinuxWorld at http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/lw-09-vcontrol_2.html? I was struck by the article in a number of ways. I think it's sad that an experienced user like him couldn't install Debian (sad being the knock goes against him -- it ain't rocket science), but on the other hand, his reactions are *typical* of what I've seen when I try to have new users install Debian (so I can't knock him I guess). I've fallen into the mode that I now give new users the free Storm Linux CD, have them install that and get comfortable with GNU/Linux, and then tell them to apt up to a full Debian system. I'd love to give them a pure Debian install, but after seeing people fail on it again and again (I'll ignore topics of intelligence in the general user population:-), unless I'm there to walk them through it I know they're bound to fall on their face. Anyone else have any thoughts on this article? -- Regards, | SAT practice quiz: Microsoft is to software as ... .|Answer: McDonalds is to gourmet cooking. Randy| | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golgotha.net
Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation
Philipp Letschert [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If the author is not able in configuring gpm or X he probably shouldn't write articles for linuxworld.com I thought the same thing. I'm all for teaching people about computers (being a former college professor, now working in a public school district) as users' (and many techies[sic]) real knowledge of computers is amazingly low. But I think Debian's approach to installing leaves many users in the dust. Sure, we can say they're idiots who don't want to read/learn anything and we'd be perfectly correct -- but we still have to realize that we're leaving many users in the dust. My concern is not really for Debian, as it will go on as long as there are developers and volunteers for the project, but for standards like *.deb and for people other than hard-core techies viewing us as a viable distribution. One area which I thought Barr made a point (although overdone) is Debian's impact on free software. He drew a point that Debian's rough install shines badly on all free software. Overstated? Sure. But true in some respects? Hmm... Regards, . Randy -- If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another divide between haves and have-nots: those with the skills and connections to make use of free software, and those who must pay high prices for increasingly dated commercial offerings. -- Scientific American, Mar. 99.
Re: realplayer and sound
Hi Dan, Does sound otherwise work on the system? If not, check to make sure you have rw permissions on your sound devices. Regards, . Randy -- If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another divide between haves and have-nots: those with the skills and connections to make use of free software, and those who must pay high prices for increasingly dated commercial offerings. -- Scientific American, Mar. 99.
IPsec and IPMasq/Proxy
I ran into some trouble using a Debian box as an IP Masq gateway (also running Squid) to a network which uses a VPN box employing IPsec. The ISP's tech support said that GNU/Linux was incapable of doing NAT properly with IPsec and that I'd have to kill the NAT and proxy to make things work. I have no experience with IPsec, but this sounded strange. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I can't understand why a Windows machine can plug into the net but that GNU/Linux doing Masquerading or using Squid can't do the same. Could someone whack me with a clue bat? TIA. -- Regards,| Why would anyone want to run an operating . | system that is open source and is developed Randy | by hundreds of hackers worldwide? Find out ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | why at http://www.golgotha.net/why-linux/
Re: port scan logger
Can I do that even although it's under the unstable / woody packages? Sorry if this is a stupid question. :) What do I need to watch out for? Not a stupid question at all. When installing packages from other releases the main thing you have to worry about is dependencies -- e.g. If I install package Y from woody/unstable, will it require that I update libc, apache, bash, and/or other things which I don't want updated from unstable? In the case of scanlogd, it doesn't have an odd dependencies -- it'll install smoothly into potato/frozen. The thing to watch out for is new releases. Unstable is unstable. Since you're not tracking woody in dselect or sources.list, you're not going to automatically be notified if a new version or bug fix release of scanlogd comes out. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Upgrade your old legacy NT .| http://www.golgotha.net | machines to GNU/Linux! Randy| | See http://www.debian.org
Re: Does kernel-source 2.2.15-3 include latest ac patches?
Didn't 2.2.16 appear to solve some security bugs of 2.2.15? If this is the case, even if the patches applied to 2.2.15 actually close those security bugs, wouldn't 2.2.15 give an impression of lack of security? This is what I was thinking if/when potato ships with 2.2.15. Potential new users will think Kernels 2.2.16 are unsecure and that could reflect badly on potato. I'm hoping that if potato doesn't ship with 2.2.16 that it (ala slink) at least ships with the new kernel in source form and/or that it's updated quickly to 2.2.16. -- Regards, | Does my signature block look out-of-alignment to you? .| If so, try using fixed-width fonts for E-Mail. For Randy| Windows, tell it to use the terminal or another | fixed-width, non-proportional font to display messages.
Re: serial mouse
I'm having problems setting up x with this serial mouse. For an MS Mouse, a typical setup in /etc/X11/XF86Config would be: Section Pointer ProtocolMicrosoft Device /dev/mouse EndSection Of course, /dev/mouse is simply a symbolic link to /dev/ttyS0 (for COM1; or linking to which ever serial port your mouse is on). It's an MS serial mouse. I specified MS mouse on ttys0. That's serial A right? What's serial A? COM1? I think your big problem is a typo: there is no /dev/ttys0 -- it's /dev/ttyS0 with a capital S. -- Regards, | Does my signature block look out-of-alignment to you? .| If so, try using fixed-width fonts for E-Mail. For Randy| Windows, tell it to use the terminal or another | fixed-width, non-proportional font to display messages.
Re: firewall
My next task is setting firewall. Would someone please let me know where can I find doc on this fireewall subject. There is a site at http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/ (or somewhere below that link) that contains a web-based firewall script generator. Myself, I didn't like the code it put out; some of it seemed redundant and it seemed way too complex for what it needs to do. IMHO, a better place to start is at Debian's own ipmasq package. For reading up on the topic, I'd suggest the Firewall and Proxy Server how-to at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Firewall-HOWTO.html but overall, I don't think this how-to is one of the stronger ones. I found a much more useful article at the Linux Gazette in the article http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue46/pollman.html. -- Regards, | Do you like browsing the web, independent of whatever .| type of computer you are talking to on the other end? Randy| Enhancements to public standards and protocols is the | way the WWW will be turned into a proprietary nightmare.
Re: which SQL database?
I wanted to setup a Apache+PHP3 Intranet Database Server, Orcale, MySQL or PostgreSQL, which one is more easy to learn and config also better supported by Apache+PHP3 ? As far as ease of learning I'd say they're a tossup, six in one hand, half-dozen in the other (not saying I'm an expert in either:-). Both have excellent manuals and tutorials. Apache and PHP3 will happily get along with either of them. MySQL is faster, but at the sake of some redundancy/features. MySQL also has a quirky, non-free license. PostgreSQL is slower but is a fuller SQL implementation. It's also DFSG free. -- Regards, | What's free software? - Free speech? Free beer? .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
NFS Submounts (fixed; recap)
I posted a problem regarding mounting drives under NFS, here's a recap and the solution. Problem: I had an arrangement like this on the NFS server: /dev/hdb1 = /home/ftp/pub /dev/hdc1 = /home/ftp/pub/linux/debian And I wanted to export the entire tree out via NFS. After mounting the /home/ftp/pub tree on a client, I would get fh_verify errors on the server when I tried to do an ls (or otherwise access) in the debian subdirectory. Using NFS exports' hide/nohide, trying to mount both partitions separately on the client, all other quick fixes wouldn't work. Solution: The problem was that I was using the Linux kernel NFS services. Switching to Debian's pre-packaged user-space NFS server fixed the problem immediately. Hope this saves someone else some headache... -- Regards, | Do you like browsing the web, independent of whatever .| type of computer you are talking to on the other end? Randy| Enhancements to public standards and protocols is the | way the WWW will be turned into a proprietary nightmare.
Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian
the Social Contract so that Debian will stop distributing non-free packages. If the GR is passed, then Debian will no longer provide the storage, bandwidth, and bug tracking facilities for non-free packages, including acroread, blender, netscape, jdk, povray, trn, and xanim. One huge and widely used non-free package is MySQL. I think that MySQL and Netscape will hit people the hardest. As a suggestion to people, check out the vrms package which can quickly and easily tell you if/what non-free packages you're using. -- Regards, | Do you like browsing the web, independent of whatever .| type of computer you are talking to on the other end? Randy| Enhancements to public standards and protocols is the | way the WWW will be turned into a proprietary nightmare.
Re: how to make *deb package from source ?
I am interested how to make debian package from source - You've got two options: read the new maintainer's how-tos (they're packaged as Debian packages) or do a man apt-get; apt-get has the ability to grab source packages automagically for you (it'll require editing /etc/apt/sources.list). eventualy where is possible get newest Exim package in deb package format ? The newest Debian packages are installed in unstable (aka woody; be warned that these may have different dependencies from the stable Debian), and the source is there too. Check out ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/source/. -- Regards, | Does my signature block look out-of-alignment to you? .| If so, try using fixed-width fonts for E-Mail. For Randy| Windows, tell it to use the terminal or another | fixed-width, non-proportional font to display messages.
Re: Notice: GR to remove non-free support from Debian
Where can we get more information on this subject? Where is this being debated, if at all? In the Debian developer's mailing list. Feel free to join it and add your $.02 in if you'd like (like most things in Debian, it's open to all). -- Regards, | Does my signature block look out-of-alignment to you? .| If so, try using fixed-width fonts for E-Mail. For Randy| Windows, tell it to use the terminal or another | fixed-width, non-proportional font to display messages.
Re: Netscape using exim/fetchmail?
Can I force Netscape Communicator 4.72 to bypass its own mail system and use exim and fetchmail instead? Sure, just use fetchmail to grab mail from the net and put it on the local machine. Here's the strategy: Configure Exim to be an internet site using a smarthost (option #2). You'll want to make the smarthost to be your ISP's mail system. Configure your PPP setup (start poking around in /etc/ppp) to run fetchmail when the PPP link comes up. Do this as needed for each user. Configure each user's Netscape to check for and to write mail to your own local machine. You'll want to also stick in a command to send outgoing messages to the net when your PPP link comes up. I can't remember what that command is, but you can find it in the exim docs/man page. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Upgrade your old legacy NT . | http://www.golgotha.net | machines to GNU/Linux! Randy | | See http://www.debian.org
Re: My quite ordinary comment about Re: GR to remove non-free...
A typical newbie won't start with Debian While that is probably true, I don't think that should be the basis for Debian's mode of operation. Debian needs new users and it needs to be designed to appeal to new users while still maintaining the qualities that separate it from the other GNU/Linux distributions. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
sawmillthemestodeb conversions
I have the package theme-converters installed on a woody system and went ahead and downloaded a ton of themes from http://www.themes.org. Great, I looped them all through a script and converted them to *.deb files, then did a dpkg -i on them. Now, they list in the GNOME Control Center's Appearences tab just fine, but when I Try them the Try button has no effect. Anyone played with these things before and have any clues? -- Regards, | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) .| http://www.golgotha.net Randy|
Re: apt-get new helixcode gnome
I disagree! Helix Gnome is *way* better than the old Debian Gnome packages were. It's worth the upgrade! And exactly what is so much better if I may ask? Having installed Helixcode on a couple of users' Debian machines, they were thrilled with it. I wondered the same thing, why? In my experience, it was due to the fact that the desktop seemed more polished. That, a feeling that it was different, and especially the collection of themes were what users liked -- people seem to go for that eye candy and that can't be denied. -- Regards, | Moore's Law: Every 2 years CPU power will double. .| Randy| Gates' Law: Every 18 months software speed will halve.
Dual English/Russian Debian system
I'm pretty clueless when it comes to charsets and I've never done anything serious with the Cyrillic alphabet. What I want to do is to install Debian into a dual English/Russian system. Basically, I want the system to work as an English system, but with the ability to handle Cyrillic in editors/word processors, Netscape, etc. I've got the option of using a typical English keyboard or some sort of dual English-Russian thingie that seems to be designed with Windows in mind. Can anyone suggest some sources of information on this endeavor? TIA. -- Regards, | Moore's Law: Every 2 years CPU power will double. .| Randy| Gates' Law: Every 18 months software speed will halve.
Re: NFS submounts
Stupid question: have you mounted the subdirectory locally? I.e., try # mount server:/home/ftp/pub /mnt # mount server:/home/ftp/pub/linux/debian /mnt/linux/debian With the help of some of our local LUG people, I discovered the problem. The problem was that I was using the kernel NFS server. As I understand it, the kernel NFS server won't allow what I was trying to do -- period (and believe me, I tried every way I could think of, e.g. hide/nohide, various mounting combations, etc.:-). Switching to the user-space NFS server cured the problem immediately. -- Regards, | Tired of forced, expen$ive upgrades and blue screens of . | death? Long for stability, robustness and efficiency? Randy | Then why aren't you running GNU/Linux? http://linux.com | Why pay for a buggy/limited OS when GNU/Linux is free?
Re: staroffice
I was wondering how I can make my other users be able to use it too because when other users try to execute soffice nothing happens. As I recall, you have to use an option -- something like -net -- on StarOffice's initial install. Then each user has to run a setup, which copies about 1-2 MB into their home directory. This is documented somewhere in StarOffice in a read.me or something. -- Regards, | Tired of forced, expen$ive upgrades and blue screens of . | death? Long for stability, robustness and efficiency? Randy | Then why aren't you running GNU/Linux? http://linux.com | Why pay for a buggy/limited OS when GNU/Linux is free?
Re: Debian Installation (was blank subject)
I CAN NOT GET DEBIAN TO INSTALL!! PLEASE HELP Screaming like that (all caps is considered shouting in E-Mail) doesn't help anyone -- actually, it encourages people to ignore you. You have to give details. Machine type/configuration, version of Debian, what type of install. What exact point in the install is failing. Exact error messages. Without details you're not going to get anyone to help. Also, have you read the installation texts which are available from the Debian web site and/or CD-ROM? -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
Mailing list managers
With today's announcement that majordomo is going to be dropped from Debian, I was wondering if I could spark up a discussion as to the pros/cons of other Debian-packaged mailing list programs. What other mailing list managers are you using? (I've only used majordomo and mailman.) What are their strengths and weaknesses? How about their requirements (e.g. require Apache or a web-based cgi module)? Any feedback would be appreciated. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
Re: lost /vmlinuz
apt-get upgrade tried to upgrade my kernel image. I moved 2.2.15-idepci to .old and apt installed a new image but now when lilo tries to boot off the hard drive it complains that /vmlinuz is missing. Yes, you've got exactly the idea -- recreate the vmlinuz symbolic link. As you've probably deduced, /vmlinuz is just a symbolic link pointing to the real kernel file which is located in /boot. As root, do the following: cd / (make sure we're in the root directory. rm vmlinuz (delete the old symbolic link because it's probably broken; we're going to recreate the symbolic link below anyway) ln -s boot/2.2.15-idepci vmlinuz (recreate the symbolic link; this of course will differ depending on what your kernel in /boot is named) liloconfig (run liloconfig so that lilo knows about the new kernel and can boot it) -- Regards, | The ultimate result is that some innovations that would .| truly benefit consumers never occur for the sole reason Randy| that they do not coincide with Microsoft's self-interest. | -- Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson, U.S. District Judge
NFS submounts
I'm having a problem with NFS. My basic NFS is working; so I can mount the shares remotely. The problem is that I cannot see submounted partitions from across the network. For example, on the server I have /home/ftp/pub as one partition. Then I have /home/ftp/pub/linux/debian as another drive/partition mounted on the server. I want to share out via NFS the /home/ftp/pub tree, including the debian subdirectory/partition. I can mount the /home/ftp/pub on the client just fine, and I can access all the files normally. But when I try to access anything in the debian subdirectory I get a fh_verify: linux/debian permission failure, acc=4, error=1 error message on the server. I've set permissions properly on the server and I've tried playing with various combinations of options from man exports but I can't seem to convince this to work properly. The server is a potato box using the nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server packages of version 0.1.6-3. The client is a woody box using the same packages at version 0.1.7.1-1. Anyone have any clues as to what I've botched up? Whacks with a clue-bat would be definitely appreciated, TIA. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Upgrade your old legacy NT . | http://www.golgotha.net | machines to GNU/Linux! Randy | | See http://www.debian.org
Re: Is Storm based on potato or slink ?
When I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it shows I am up to date. Does anyone have experience with Storm? Is it potato or slink? I really like Storm Linux. To me, they've got things pretty near right. They stick to Debian standards, unlike Corel, and have a nice, easy install (both text/graphics) and is a really well done product. Storm presently is slink-plus. It's a slink-based installation with some updated packages. You can, however, upgrade Storm to potato quite seamlessly. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
Re: Linuxconf in potato broken?
Last I looked, the README.Debian file in the linuxconf package clearly states that linuxconf is still very broken on Debian. That's okay. Many of my Red Hat-using friends also report more than their share of bugs in it. :-) -- Regards, | Moore's Law: Every 2 years CPU power will double. .| Randy| Gates' Law: Every 18 months software speed will halve.
Re: localtime/universal time
stupid question, maybe, but is there any way to change to local time after having chosen universal time when installing debian? if so, how do it do it? Don't you just love little things like that? :-) A man tzconfig reveals: The Debian GNU/Linux system gains its knowledge of this setting from the file /etc/default/rcS. This file con tains either the line GMT=-u, which indicates that the hardware clock is set to UTC, or it contains the line GMT=, which declares the hardware clock is set to Local Time. Of course, that man page ain't exactly correct:-), but looking at /etc/default/rcS will clue you in. -- Regards, | Moore's Law: Every 2 years CPU power will double. .| Randy| Gates' Law: Every 18 months software speed will halve.
Re: List
Is there a general linux discussion list which is active? The majordomo at vger.rutgers.edu hosts a lot of different distribution generic and topic-specific GNU/Linux mailing lists. For a listing of all the lists hosted at vger, a search of any decent mailing list search engine will turn up many of them (see http://www.golgotha.net/bookmarks/Search/Mailing_Lists/ if you need links for mailing list search engines). -- . | Celebrate the GNU/Linux WE'RE NEVER GOING Randy | OUT OF BUSINESS SALE by downloading an ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | operating system, apps, games, utilities, http://www.golgotha.net | and source code at http://www.debian.org
Re: Squid
Does anyone have an idea to solve this?? Sorry Sven, I don't. But as one who's played with using Squid's ACL functions, I'll suggest a different strategy. In the Squid docs on ACL you'll find descriptions of an option to reference out to a file to get blocked URLs and/or domains. When I was using Squid's ACLs to block sites I found the tactic of using the files to be a huge bonus. To add a new blocked site all one would need to do is to edit a text file and restart Squid. My advice would be to go back to a plain vanilla squid.conf and to try your ideas again using the file method. Once working you'll find the updating much easier. -- Regards, | Microsoft: Buying up some other company's good idea .| today, so they can sell it as an innovation tomorrow. Randy|
Re: Question on installing packages and upgrading
But how do I, for example, install a newer version of windowmaker or netscape? There are several .deb packages, and I don't know which of them to use. Just use dselect, browse through the various descriptions of the *.deb files. If all else fails, just try it -- the worse you'll do is to remove a file and install something you don't want. Now, that sounds serious, doesn't it?! But remember, in the case of Netscape or Windowmaker, all of your customized settings are in your home directory -- therefore, for example, your Netscape bookmarks and mail settings won't be changed by simply installing a new package. Both Windowmaker and (especially) Netscape's modularity is confusing at first, but there's a method to the madness. Don't want the spell check? Good, don't install it. Don't want the help files -- ditto! Generally, for Netscape folks will install the latest version of the statically-linked Communicator and everything else that dselect will suggest. Another problem: my Debian stable is so outdated. New packages for wmaker etc. usually need newer versions of other packages. If you read up on apt-get (man apt-get) you can use that to solve the various dependency problems when upgrading. Yes, this is a problem, but with that said, potato will be released real soon now and this is the right way of solving this particular issue. I like the Debian philosophy, but I also see that s many things don't work well/correctly/at all. I don't know if I'd term it that way. If you install a stable-only system, it works, and works extremely well. Ditto for potato (though, of course, it's still unstable). The problems come from mixing and matching slink and potato -- two different versions. That isn't officially supposed to be done; there's an upgrade procedure, but mixing isn't part of the plan. So it's not surprising that things don't work smoothly when mixing two different versions. To draw an analogy to the DOS world, what would happen if you were to take a Win95 machine and start mixing Win98 components and *.DLLs into that system? You'd have a nightmare on your hands. While slink and potato play pretty well together when mixed, it's analogous to the same idea as Win95/Win98. Sorry for the bashing on Debian here. Of course it is not fair to compare a brand-new distribution like Mandrake to Debian stable which is quite old now. Exactly. My advice would be to A) read up on apt-get and use it to install potato packages into your system, B) hold your breath and stick with slink until potato is released, or C) just do a full upgrade now to running the potato release. IMHO, I'd prefer C, but A is also doable if you don't want to try a full upgrade. -- Regards, | Microsoft: Buying up some other company's good idea .| today, so they can sell it as an innovation tomorrow. Randy|
Sawmill/Gnome raising windows
Here's my stupid question for the day (I'm allotted one per day, aren't I?!:-). How can I configure Sawmill/Gnome so that a window will rise to the top if I click on the title bar? I prefer a sloppy focus, one where I can move the mouse over a window and have it in focus. However, I don't necessarily want that window to rise to the top/foreground. I do want it to come to the top/foreground if I click on the title bar or perform some other action. I've played and played in all of those foolish GUI configuration menus of Gnome and Sawmill, but the only way I can get something close to what I want is to click on the Gnome tasklist on the specific task -- that'll make it rise to the top/foreground, but isn't exactly what I want. (As an aside, I'm really impressed by Sawmill's light use of system resources; I never realized I had so much RAM.:-) -- Regards, | Software isn't software without the source code. .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org - Support *free* software.
Potato network problems
I've got a potato box which just broke on a recent update. This machine is a IP masquerading gateway, it has ipmasq and the various other potato networking tools installed. The machine's been running fine, but when I did an update Monday evening it stopped talking to the net sometime during the night. I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure this one out. The update went perfectly fine, no errors or anything, but the machine just stopped talking -- the machine can't be seen from the net. The internal network (192.168.*.*) works just fine. The various services on the server also work fine from the internal network. The problem is that it won't talk to the net. I can ping the NIC which is on the net, the card responds fine. However, if I try to hit my external gateway's IP address I get nothing. Ifconfig and route -n show normal info; it should, I changed nothing other than doing a dselect update/install. There appears to be incoming traffic hitting the Internet NIC. I know the network link is up because if I reconfigure another machine I can get out directly (by bypassing the server). I do, however, get messages in /var/log/kern.log which mention kernel: packet log DENY. My questions are many. Did any ipchains stuff get updated in the past few days? Is anyone else experiencing this (I've got another similarly configured machine which has been working just fine -- go figure.:-)? Since I've triple check the various /etc networking-related files and my /etc/init.d/networks, I'm ass/u/ming it's something to do with the firewalling/ipmasq package. Does anyone have a barest-bones script for ipchains that I could play with just to examine that possibility? Any tips would be appreciate; TIA. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm a computer geek, not in marketing. .|| Since I'm paid for technical knowledge Randy|| and not opinions, any opinions voiced || are my own and not my employer's.
Single quote keyboard chars
I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this problem with the latest potato. I get random, occasional single quote characters (`) which appear in what apps I happen to be using. This occurs on several different machines. The keyboards themselves are clone MS Natural and/or Dell keyboards. I work primarily in X, which is where I notice it. This phenomenon seems to happen with many different apps (everything from E-Term to Netscape). Has anyone else noticed something similar? And if so, any way to get rid of it? TIA. -- Regards,| Why would anyone want to run an operating . | system that is open source and is developed Randy | by hundreds of hackers worldwide? Find out ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | why at http://www.golgotha.net/why-linux/
Re: Ethernet question
Just transferred over from Red Hat 6.1 to Debian 2.1. My NIC card worked fine in Red Hat and appears to work okay in Debian _if_ I issue an ifconfig eth0 This is typically done in the script /etc/init.d/network That script is generated at install when you answer the questions about your network setup. If you take a look at it and edit it, you should see all of the various network parameters (IP address, subnet mask, etc.) to set up your ethernet card. If not, just reply back for some more info. -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because lockups should only be for convicts.
MP3 -- Audio tools
Can anyone give me a suggestion for utilities to convert audio CD songs to/from MP3s; I haven't really played with MP3s seriously and want to create a couple of greatest hits-type CDs. TIA. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than .| *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy| seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout, | adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE GNU/Linux!
Re: Virus scanner
Is there a virus scanner available for linux that I can use to scan mails, downloads etc. before they even reach M$ systems? There is a native Linux anti-virus program called AVP which I seem to recall will do exactly this (with that said, I might be mistaken though:-). You can reach them at http://www.avp.com. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Upgrade your old legacy NT . | http://www.golgotha.net | machines to GNU/Linux! Randy | | See http://www.debian.org
Re: connecting to internet
I am a newbie and have just installed Debian. I need to connect to a website to download an upgrade to xfree86. I put the url in my sources list, but when I try apt-update, the response I get is that the website doesn't exist. Welcome to Debian Steve. First, ignore me if I'm talking down to you, but I don't know how much of a newbie you are. The /etc/apt/sources.list file doesn't take a web site per se, it takes a formatted string such as: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free The above would connect via HTTP protocol to the us.debian.org site and grab the updates for slink (the current stable release). For that to work with the unstable release, change the slink to unstable or to potato. Once you edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file, make sure you do an Update to grab the new databases. If you want to make sure you're getting the very latest slink updates you can also include a line of: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian dists/slink-proposed-updates/ but the above may include some packages that aren't considered 100% stable. -- Regards, | SAT practice quiz: Microsoft is to software as is ... .|Answer: McDonalds is to gourmet cooking. Randy| | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golgotha.net
Re: apache index.html
How do I tell apache where index.html is as it can't seem to see the one in /var/www? Default Debian Apache installs put the web root in /var/www. Apache also installs a default index.html file there. This location is actually installed in /etc/apache, under which is several configuration files. A couple of things come to mind: are you sure Apache's running? Is the index.html's file permissions world-readable (-rw-r--r--)? -- Regards, | SAT practice quiz: Microsoft is to software as is ... .|Answer: McDonalds is to gourmet cooking. Randy| | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golgotha.net
Re:
what is debian? It's interesting that you found your way onto this list without knowing that. But to answer your question, check out http://www.debian.org/intro/about for an answer. -- Regards,| Windows98 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a . | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 Randy | bit operating system originally coded for ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit http://www.golgotha.net | company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
Slashdot clones
I've got a project that needs a weblog with conversations, i.e. a Slashdot clone. Other than Squishdot, does anyone have any feedback on which Slashdot clones to look at? I've been through Freshmeat and found several, but toying around with them is increasingly time consuming. I'd love to hear anyone with pro/con firsthand experience dealing with any of the Slashdot work-alikes. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
Re: Slashdot clones
Any particular reason you don't want to use slash? ( http://slashdot.org/code.shtml ) Actually, yes. It was the line of text on that page, something about you *will* have problems (or something to that effect) that sort of scared me. :-) -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
Re: Corel to Slink upgrade
actually sounds kinda scary. Flashback to when AOL entered the Internet?! :-) I dunno, I'm working up a default reply now that points people to Corel's support newsgroups...or should we instead work to bring those folks away from the dark side? :-) -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because lockups should only be for convicts.
Re: An open letter to the debian community
the big battles and then mop up the little ones later. Get Linux on every webserver first ... then worry about the applications and pick them off one-by-one. I think the same logic can be used to point to the need of getting Linux to the desktop. Until serious headway is made on the desktop, we're not going to see dramatic shifts in 3rd party developers; thus we'll be relegated to people thinking of Linux as only a server system. And given that many people familiar with NT workstation automatically assume they know how to run NT server, we'll be relegated to being a complex server system. As much as people complain about ignorant Windows users, those same users are pretty critical to Linux's success. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Upgrade your old legacy . | http://www.golgotha.net | WindowsNT machines to Linux! Randy | | See http://www.debian.org
Netstd reorganization
Can someone point me to some documentation or clue me into the netstd reorganization? I understand that netstd was broken down into individual components, but I sort of miss the old way, simply because I never learned all of what was in netstd. When netstd asked if I wanted to disable the r services, I just said yes. Now I'm not sure of what services I actually *need* and which ones I don't and I'd like to close down as many ports as possible. Any advice on that score? TIA. Regards, . Randy -- If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another divide between haves and have-nots: those with the skills and connections to make use of free software, and those who must pay high prices for increasingly dated commercial offerings. -- Scientific American
Re: Corel to Slink upgrade
Joe Block wrote: When I did the install on my friend's laptop, the first thing I did after corel's install was done was add my local mirror of slink, security.debian.org, the y2k updates the XFree86 3.3.5 to its sources.list and update upgrade. I went ahead and did a Corel to slink upgrade. I added in the Debian slink lines to /etc/apt/sources.list and also a line to slink-proposed-updates. Then I used dselect to do an update, selected a few additional games for good measure, and installed everything. The system came up and seemed to work just fine. I didn't do anything extensive to it, but the only oddity I noticed was that the Debian menu wasn't buried into KDE like it normally is. This ought to be interesting, because as Corel establishes itself I'm sure we'll be dealing with more and more Corel users here in Debian-User... Regards, . Randy -- If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another divide between haves and have-nots: those with the skills and connections to make use of free software, and those who must pay high prices for increasingly dated commercial offerings. -- Scientific American
Alsa problem - can't locate module sound-slot-0
I've changed my sound around to Alsa and since I use a custom kernel I went the Alsa source route. I followed the instructions in the debian/README file religiously and generated my Alsa modules. However, upon running them I get the message that modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0. Not surprising, since there isn't such a module. :-) Anyone know a fix to this and/or how this module gets generated? Whacks with a clue-bat would be appreciated, TIA. -- Regards,| Windows98 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a . | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 Randy | bit operating system originally coded for ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit http://www.golgotha.net | company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
Re: apt-get
OK, so I guess I have to bite the bullet. How is the general opinion on potato at the moment? IMHO, the biggest problem I've seen is that NIS is broken (has some files that conflicts with hostname). Bind will need some major reconfiguration, along with some other things probably; but generally, Potato isn't in that bad a shape. -- Regards,| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
Re: apt mirror list for Debian KDE packages?
Can someone point me to a list of working mirrors for the slink and potato kde distributions? KDE.Org has them on their FTP site -- I was just playing with this today... Here's a line for the potato version which works (a simple change to slink should work too): deb ftp://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/distribution/deb/potato i386/ -- . | Celebrate the Linux WE'RE NEVER GOING OUT Randy | OF BUSINESS SALE by downloading an entire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | operating system, apps, games, utilities, http://www.golgotha.net | and source code at http://www.debian.org
Re: zope problems
I did the suggested permission changes in /var/lib/zope making it writtable by www-data, but without luck. You probably did it (but I have to ask anyway:-) but did you create a superuser account in /var/lib/zope/access? -- Regards, | Upgrade your old Windows machine to Linux and . | experience *real* savings, reliability, and Randy | stability. Join the open source code, free [EMAIL PROTECTED] | software revolution at http://www.debian.org
potato auto fsck
Has anyone noticed any oddities with the latest update to potato's e2fs programs? I upgraded three machines and two worked perfectly; the third, however, will hang upon running /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh. If I bypass the end of checkfs.sh (where it does the auto fsck) with an exit 0 the system boots and runs normally. I've reinstalled the e2fs package and running e2fsck manually shows the file systems to be fine. I haven't had much time to delve into it more deeply but was wondering if anyone else has experienced similar problems. -- Regards, | Upgrade your old Windows machine to Linux and . | experience *real* savings, reliability, and Randy | stability. Join the open source code, free [EMAIL PROTECTED] | software revolution at http://www.debian.org
Re: Generating Thumbnail Image web pages
I remember seeing a package that thumbnail indexes of graphics directories in HTML somewhere in the debian site, but I can't seem to find it again. Does anyone know the name of this package? You're probably thinking of webmagick. Very slick package, though I've had some problems with it working under potato. -- Regards,| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
Re: Netscap4 (potato)
Netscape46 installed on Debian 2.1 (potato) from /unstable/potato directory. I couldn't find 'netscape' in /usr/bin directory What's wrong with it. Did you check in the /usr/bin/X11 subdirectory? That's where the netscape package normally makes a symlink called netscape pointing to /etc/alternatives/communicator. -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because reboots are for hardware upgrades.
Re: Cooledit for debian?
Does anyone know whether somebody is packaging cooledit for Debian? It is a very nice, and fast X-editor with a lot of features. The place to check on things like this is the Debian Work Needing and Prospective Packages page (it's under the Developer's section of http://www.debian.org at http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html). If you check that page you'll find that Tom Lear mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has been working to package cooledit, smalledit, coolicon, coolman, and libcw for 11 days now. Why now E-Mail Tom and see if he needs a tester/guineau pig? -- Regards,| Microsoft -- innovative? Don't make me laugh. . | Randy | Subversion is always our best tactic. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Microsoft Manager of Java Relations John Ludwig http://www.golgotha.net | (Quoted in Oct. 21, 1998 San Jose Mecury News)
Netscape 4.6 crashes
I'm running potato with potato's netscape 4.6 (smotif). Often, though not 100% consistently, Netscape will not exit properly when I do a File - Exit (Alt-Q) and/or click on the X widget to close the window. I know this is happening because the next time I go into Netscape, all of the mail folders' + signs are collapsed and whatever folder I was in when I closed out will have ??? instead of the number of messages. I've never had this behavior on other versions of Netscape, and I have this happening on multiple machines. The question I have is, am I alone in this problem? Anyone see this happening? -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| A computer without a . | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Microsoft operating system Randy | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | is like a dog without a | http://www.golgotha.net | brick tied to its head.
Basic SCSI question
I don't have any experience with Linux and SCSI drives and was wondering if someone could give me some basic-level/newbie pointers on SCSI setup. The computer has an AdvanSys card in it and I've recompiled the kernel with advansys, generic SCSI, and SCSI CD-ROM support. This seems okay as dmesg reports: scsi0 : AdvanSys SCSI 3.1E: PCI Ultra-Wide: BIOS C8000/7FFF, IO E800/3F, IRQ 10 scsi : 1 host. Vendor: YAMAHAModel: CRW4416S Rev: 1.0f Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 Vendor: IBM Model: DDRS-39130D Rev: DC1B Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 scsi : detected 1 SCSI cdrom 1 SCSI disk total. sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/16x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.54 SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1785 [8715 MB] [8.7 GB] Similarly, a cat of /proc/scsi/scsi reports: Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 02 Lun: 00 Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW4416S Rev: 1.0f Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: IBM Model: DDRS-39130D Rev: DC1B Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 An output of cat /proc/devices reveals: Block devices: 2 fd 3 ide0 8 sd 11 sr 22 ide1 That all looks okay (I guess) but I cannot access the devices. I did a /dev/MAKEDEV update and I have these devices in /dev: brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 0 May 18 22:59 sda brw-rw 1 root disk 11, 0 May 18 22:59 scd0 If I try to do an fdisk /dev/sda I get a message of Unable to read /dev/sda along with: May 19 06:13:21 spartacus kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 6 lun 0 return code = 2504 May 19 06:13:21 spartacus kernel: scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Similarly, a command of mount /dev/scd0 /mnt gives this info in /var/log/messages: May 19 06:13:21 spartacus kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 6 lun 0 return code = 2504 May 19 06:13:21 spartacus kernel: scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 May 19 06:15:35 spartacus kernel: sr00:00: old sense key None May 19 06:15:49 spartacus kernel: Non-extended sense class 0 code 0x0 3sr0: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Start/Stop Unit 00 00 00 03 00 May 19 06:15:49 spartacus kernel: sr00:00: old sense key None May 19 06:15:49 spartacus kernel: Non-extended sense class 0 code 0x0 6cdrom: open failed. May 19 06:15:59 spartacus kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 55, scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 Prevent/Allow Medium Removal 00 00 00 00 00 May 19 06:15:59 spartacus kernel: SCSI error: host 0 id 2 lun 0 return code = 2504 May 19 06:15:59 spartacus kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended sense 0 May 19 06:16:09 spartacus kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 56, scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 May 19 06:16:09 spartacus kernel: SCSI error: host 0 id 2 lun 0 return code = 2504 May 19 06:16:09 spartacus kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended sense 0 Any advice, RTFM pointers, or tips would be appreciated. I'm guessing I don't have the devices set up properly, but perusing docs and howtos didn't turn up anything. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, | A contribution by Microsoft Corporation to South Carolina's .| Republican Party during the 1998 campaign preceded a decision Randy| by the state's GOP attorney general to withdraw from an | antitrust suit against the computer software giant. | Source: API, 24 December 1998
DHCP server recommendation
I've noticed several dhcp servers in potato. I was curious if anyone had any recommendations for one to use with a 2.2.x kernel in your typical network of Windows machines and Linux boxes. TIA. -- . | Celebrate the Linux WE'RE NEVER GOING OUT Randy | OF BUSINESS SALE by downloading an entire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | operating system, apps, games, utilities, http://www.golgotha.net | and source code at http://www.debian.org
Re: X server on a Compaq Presario 1235
Thanks for the reply. Where would we find an xserver-neomagic package? I don't see it in either the stable or the unstable distributions? Hmm, neither could I! But I'm not making this up, seriously! :-) The package itself is xserver-neomagic, a non-free/x11 extra package maintained by Ian Lynagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and it's version 1.1.0-1-1. My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that with the recent new unstable X that it was deleted so that it could be recompiled. I'd recommend e-mailing Ian to ask what the status is. -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because lockups should only be for convicts.
Re: X server on a Compaq Presario 1235
We have been trying to configure an X server from Debian 2.1 on a Compaq Presario 1235 laptop. SuperProbe reports I've got a Presario 1236 laptop running Potato very nicely with the 2.2.5 kernel (well, all except the sound, I've only got it half-configured (sound config tips welcome!:-)). The 1236 uses the NeoMagic chipset for its SVGA and I believe the 1235 does also. For the X server I'm using the xserver-neomagic package and have it configured to run at 800x600 with 65K colors. -- Regards,| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
Re: Mounting my cdrom
mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist
What is wrong here?
The device /dev/cdrom is typically just a symbolic link to whatever real
device your CD-ROM is on. You can straighten this out easily.
First, double-check to see if /dev/cdrom exists ('ls -l /dev/cdrom'). If
it doesn't exist, just add it in. For example, let's say your CD-ROM is
/dev/hdc (first device on the secondary IDE controller). Just become root, go
into /dev, and execute a 'ln -s /dev/hdc cdrom' and you'll have a new cdrom
device.
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Re: deb vs. rpm
Could someone please enlighten me to the differences in functionality between deb and rpm packages? Thorsten, check out a nice page which Joey put up summarizing features of the different package formats. You can find it at http://kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp.html. Regarding dependencies, I picked up a Red Hat 5.1 CD-ROM a while ago and played with it (I've since given it away) just to see the differences. I was surprised at how crudely Red Hat handled dependencies. Compared to dselect's pop up a help screen and 'hey, resolve this mess' with 'here are my recommendations' method, Red Hat was downright barbaric about the process. While I don't claim to be a Red Hat expert, all I could get it to do was to give me a warning about dependencies, and it expected me to *manually* (look of shock on face!:-) go out and (A) find where those packages were in its package manager, and (B) do the grunt work of trying to remember the conflicting names and then selecting/deselecting them. After that experience I've never uttered a single bad word about dselect, apt-get, or dpkg.:-) -- . | Celebrate the Linux WE'RE NEVER GOING OUT Randy | OF BUSINESS SALE by downloading an entire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | operating system, apps, games, utilities, http://www.golgotha.net | and source code at http://www.debian.org
Re: Linux Hardware website??
Does anybody know any good websites that talks and reviews the best hardware and are best supported by linux?? This is something that's needed badly. I'm going through this right now deciding which SCSI card I should purchase. As more and more people buy equipment solely for use with Linux, this is going to become even more needed. But to answer your question, I've looked around and haven't found a good site. I'd recommend trying the newsgroup comp.os.linux.hardware. -- Regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Upgrade your old legacy . | http://www.golgotha.net | WindowsNT machines to Linux! Randy | | See http://www.debian.org
Re: Looking for trouble.
3) I tried to create some scripts, very simple ones, but they refuse to run, or the system says command not found. Example: [...] Saved as telltime, then mode changed with chmod -v u+x telltime. With cat I can still see the contents of the file as plain text. Is this normal? As said, when executing telltime the system returns command not found. Are you executing this as root? If so, root only runs programs in its' path -- you'd have to do something like a ./telltime if that were the case. Yes, you should be able to cat the file as a plain text file (that's what it is). Try doing a chmod +x telltime to give everyone executable access and see if that works. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than . | *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy | seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout | and adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE Linux!
CTX notebooks and Debian
I'm looking into picking up a CTX EzBook 7PJ notebook and I was wondering if anyone could give me any feedback on either this model or CTX notebooks in general. Of course, I'm planning on running Debian on it, so if anyone knows about CTX and X compatabilities I'd appreciate any info you might have. TIA. -- Regards,| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
Re: SB 128 PCI w/2.1 kernel
as far as i know the SB 128 PCI is based on the chip es1371 so i would try CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=y instead. Thanks Helmut, but no, there's two different varieties of the SB 128 PCI according to the driver readme. You identify them with a 'lspci -n' command; according to the output I'm using the right one. But since I've tried about everything else I can think of, perhaps I ought to give the other a try. :-) -- Regards,| Why would anyone want to run an operating . | system that is open source and is developed Randy | by hundreds of hackers worldwide? Find out ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | why at http://www.golgotha.net/why-linux/
Re: SB 128 PCI w/2.1 kernel
Somthing tells me that perhaps you don't have soundcore? (What, I couldn't say, as I don't have the kernel sources about.) Do you have a /proc/sound? Hmm, I'm not sure what a soundcore is. But I do not have a /proc/sound. -- Regards, | REDMOND, WA (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today . | the the official release date for the new operating Randy | system Windows 2000 will be delayed until the second | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems.
Re: SB 128 PCI w/2.1 kernel
What kernel is this, exactly (if it really is a 2.1, you should probably upgrade)? Are you using compiled-in drivers, or modules? I was running the 2.2.1 kernel which is in potato. Since your message I jumped over to netgod.net and grabbed the debs for 2.2.5. Installed them, configured and compiled (all went nicely), installed and rebooted, and I get the exact same thing (no sound, no /proc/sound). Does your .config file have a line that says CONFIG_SOUND=m (or 'y', as approprate)? CONFIG_SOUND=y CONFIG_SOUND_ES1370=y is what I have in the /usr/src/linux/.config file. -- If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another divide between haves and have-nots: those with the skills and connections to make use of free software, and those who must pay high prices for increasingly dated commercial offerings. -- Scientific American
SB 128 PCI w/2.1 kernel
I'm playing trying to get a SoundBlaster 128 PCI card working with the 2.2.1 kernel. The card's id'ed as a 1275:5000 by lspci -n, so I've compiled it with the Ensoniq ES1370 driver in the kernel's sound options. However, I can't get a squeak out of the card. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to sound, despite reading the howtos and such; can someone give me some hints about what I'd need to do to configure this card? TIA. -- Regards,| Why would anyone want to run an operating . | system that is open source and is developed Randy | by hundreds of hackers worldwide? Find out ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | why at http://www.golgotha.net/why-linux/
Re: access for non-us packages
I'd suguest enlightenment over wmaker, (Hoping not to start a flame war...:-) Why? -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than . | *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy | seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout | and adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE Linux!
Re: SB 128 PCI w/2.1 kernel
look for /dev/audio... if it's not there run /dev/MAKEDEV audio Yes, I already have a audio device: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 4 Apr 1 18:18 /dev/audio (I added the other r/w perms myself) Still no noise though. I'm thinking that I need something else in the kernel configuration (I've never played with the sound settings). Right now the only thing I have in the kernel configuration is Ensoniq AudioPCI (ES1370) flagged as asterisk to compile it right in. The compile goes fine, it's just that I get no sound. Do I need any of the OSS sound modules with this card? -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than . | *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy | seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout | and adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE Linux!
Re: Partitions and install problem
Am I being crazy or immoral wanting only one partition? most Faqs and docs I read about it say you should always make a few partitions. Using multiple partitions gives you a great deal of flexibility. One can easily add new stuff and reuse the old partitions for something else. You also gain a measure of stability -- if one of your partitions gets corrupted or suffers some catastrophic error you lose only a partition and not the whole system. But with that said, no, you're not crazy. I've installed newbies' machines and more or less dedicated machines on one large partition... There are tools to let you repartition -- partition magic being the most famous of them. As far as repartitioning without losing data and having a meaure of safety, good luck. :-) -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than . | *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy | seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout | and adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE Linux!
Re: SB 128 PCI w/2.1 kernel
no, dont need to load oss driver, just the es1370 That's what I thought after reading the kernel es1370 docs; good. Right now I've got the driver compiled straight into the kernel (not as a module). what do you get at boot? Things look fine. Dmesg tells me: es1370: version v0.17 time 19:20:41 Apr 2 1999 es1370: found adapter at io 0xe800 irq 5 es1370: features: joystick off, line in, mic impedance 0 send the output of /dev/sndstat Interesting, how do I get anything out of it? I've got the device listed as: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 6 Apr 3 08:18 /dev/sndstat and if I try to cat it as root I just get a No such device. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org - More software than . | *any* distribution, rock solid reliability, quality control, Randy | seamless upgrades via ftp or CD-ROM, strict filesystem layout | and adherence to standards, and militantly 100% FREE Linux!
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
So Hewson makes some good points. Linus still isn't ready for the desktop, at least for the masses. But it will be Tomorrow. So stay tuned I agree -- a lot of his points, particularly about the lack of mainstream apps, are valid. I'd also like to see more hardware support for odd-ball and brand-new devices, and I'd certainly like to see a wider variety of apps. This can be solved. Even though we're flooded with generally positive, mainstream press coverage, the tactics that got us here still work. Nag hardware and software manufacturers for drivers and support from their products and politely remind them of their lost sales if they decline their support. That has worked and it'll still work. But I think the situation is changing, especially when it comes to software. The fact that Civilization III will be released for Windows and Linux at the same time is a milestone. The Civ series is hugely popular and states in a definite way that we're not on the back burner any more. Again, I agree -- tomorrow is going to be a really neat time; let's work to see that it gets here soon... :-) -- . | Celebrate the Linux WE'RE NEVER GOING OUT Randy | OF BUSINESS SALE by downloading an entire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | operating system, apps, games, utilities, http://www.golgotha.net | and source code at http://www.debian.org
Re: Beta-testing and the glibc 2.1 (Was: Missing ldd? Have libc6 on hold? Get ldso from slink...
If you need your machine for real work then you shouldn't be running unstable. If debian unstable isn't tested on machines used for real work, debian is going to end up a toy distribution which is only suitable for work on systems which aren't appropriate for real work. I agree wholeheartedly. While one shouldn't complain too much if one runs into problems, real life testing of unstable is important. I do appreciate the heads up warnings about problems in potato though. I plan on moving one of my main servers over to potato as soon as the apache-ssl/common conflict gets straightened out. I'll have it track a little behind real potato just to avoid unexpected gotchas, but you're right -- if someone isn't testing unstable how's it ever going to get stable? :-) -- . | Celebrate the Linux WE'RE NEVER GOING OUT Randy | OF BUSINESS SALE by downloading an entire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | operating system, apps, games, utilities, http://www.golgotha.net | and source code at http://www.debian.org
Re: Favorite WP/Office software...
I'm curious what people feel is their favorite word processor/ office productivity suite I use primarily WordPerfect and StarOffice. Out of these two I think WordPerfect is a more elegant program/environment. WP is definitely faster loading and I tend to use it more. However, I think SO's Word97 filter is much better than WP's, so I wind up using that a lot to import Word documents. -- Regards, | REDMOND, WA (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today . | the the official release date for the new operating Randy | system Windows 2000 will be delayed until the second | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems.
Re: I can't believe this
Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is be afraid of Debian, be very afraid. I couldn't believe the way they portrayed Debian as a commercial product -- even the X days of support (that's your job George:-). The one strong positive they noted -- the package management -- wasn't explained very clearly at all. Gosh, after reading that article you'd wonder how Debian became the second-largest Linux...what a bunch of idiots we are for running it, eh?! :-) I think this calls for a calm, well-reasoned letter (perhaps from the project leader or someone in a Debian position of authority?) explaining the non-commercial slant of Debian and correcting a few errors. -- Regards, | REDMOND, WA (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today . | the the official release date for the new operating Randy | system Windows 2000 will be delayed until the second | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems.
Re: VNC
If you don't mind another VNC question, what are you using for a viewer on the client side and how are you running it? The man pages on this aren't the best. I can run a VNC client on a Windows machine perfectly (finally, a use for Windows!:-), but when trying to access my Linux server from another Linux box I do a svncviewer spartacus:2 on the client and get horrible shimmering refresh problems and very erratic mouse behavior. xvncviewer doesn't seem to be installed despite references to it in the man pages. Any ideas for a VNC newbie? -- Regards,| Why would anyone want to run an operating . | system that is open source and is developed Randy | by hundreds of hackers worldwide? Find out ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | why at http://www.golgotha.net/why-linux/
Re: web based mail
I have tried to do so, but this page does not seem to exist any more. Does anyone have a suggestion where to find this .deb? Ivan's link at http://www.tdyc.com/~rkrusty/Debian/ works just fine scratching head. Another interesting web-based system -- much more than just e-mail -- is Obsidian's OCS at http://demo.obsidian.co.za. Obsidian has debs online. -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because lockups should only be for convicts.
Re: modem
I need help to choise a modem that works on debian can somebody tellme about? I'm using an internal USR 56K Sportster on this machine; works fine. What you have to be leery of is any modem that requires Windows. Ask about that specifically. My advice would be to avoid an internal modem altogether. External modems are much nicer as you can see what's going on by the LEDs of the modem. -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because lockups should only be for convicts.
Re: VNC
vncserver, svncviewr and xvncviewer are all in separate packages. Do you have xvncviewer installed? sound of hand impacting on forehead; look of embarrassment Duhhh! My apologies for wasting bandwidth; please ignore the previous message. :-) -- Regards,| Debian GNU/ __ o http://www.debian.org . |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net | because lockups should only be for convicts.
Re: StarOffice 5
This is a HUGE difference. The multiuser patch was great! 12M for 4.0 to 140M with 5.0. Does anyone know if there was a multiuser patch for SO5 aswell? I like having a 12M user dir as opposed to a 140M dir. I haven't seen one. But at home here I'm only running the personal version and haven't toyed with the multiuser setup in 5.0. If you go to StarDivision's web site there is a link there somewhere to tied into their support newsgroups (lots of them). I'm sure someone in their support groups would be able to answer this specifically. -- Regards,| Microsoft -- innovative? Don't make me laugh. . | Randy | Subversion is always our best tactic. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Microsoft Manager of Java Relations John Ludwig http://www.golgotha.net | (Quoted in Oct. 21, 1998 San Jose Mecury News)
Re: Debian and Redhat - are most linux users missing the point?
of them becoming developers, Deb's weaknesses such as the install problems will be addressed as well (am I the only one who likes dselect? :-) ). While dselect does have an odd interface, I definitely like it. I can see the original author's motive for force-feeding help screens, which IMHO is the oddest part of it. But I've got the sequence of dselect ENTER SPACE-BAR / parameter ENTER down pat! :-) -- Regards,| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: superior operating . | http://www.golgotha.net | system tools for those Randy | | who know how to use them.
