Re: [IxDA Discuss] Online Inspiration?
Where do you go for inspiration? Ideas? Trends? (Returns from the dead and de-lurks) At IA Summit, Stephen Anderson gave a great presentation on Inspiration from the Edge. My write up of his talk is here: http://kevnull.com/2008/04/ia-summit-inspiration-from-the-edge.html His talk focused on getting inspiration from sources one wouldn't normally expect - which I agree wholeheartedly with. I've often found that brilliance comes from a person's ability to unexpectedly apply principles from another realm. Stephen and I and a couple of others have also started to experiment with using Twitter as a medium for sharing inspiration bites to those who care. I think of it like a curated twitter stream with very high signal : noise ratio. http://twitter.com/inspiring Kevin Cheng creator / ok/cancel / [EMAIL PROTECTED] principal designer / raptr.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Online Inspiration?
Some great links in these posts ... I look at :: Various design pattern libraries (Welie, Yahoo etc.) :: An array of blogs (too many to mention) but include information aesthetics, data visualisation, print (e.g. Creative Review) :: Colour Lovers (http://www.colourlovers.com/) :: Design Critique podcast (Tim Tom!) :: Behance is worth a look from time to time too. (http://www.behance.com/Creative_Network) and now, ScrnShots. I've also been involved in a project (which I know Julian at GTs seen tpp) to share great creative work produced in the UK digital agency space. More on that when it gets launched. I've just resolved to post my favourite wireframe output to my Flickr stream too, I'll need to think of appropriate tags (wireframe, Ix, IA, Ux, inspiration ) Toodle pip. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29970 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] REMINDER: [EVENT] Chicago IxDA - June 11th - Data Visualization
This is the week, Chicagoans! Step inside for a cool refreshment and some great conversation! If you'd like to join us this Wednesday, please RSVP at the link below today so we can get the list in tomorrow. On 6/2/08, Chicago IxDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow Chicagoans (and those of you who happen to be in the area), Please join us on Wednesday, June 11th for our next gathering! Topic: Data Visualization - Moving from PowerPoint to RIA Hosted By: Roundarch When: Wednesday, June 11th Time: 6:30 - 8:00 PM Address: 350 N. LaSalle Street (Kinzie) on the 12th floor Roundarch is graciously serving refreshments. Please RSVP by filling out this form: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pKwbS7NpPcWlwupnPbR4hXgemail=true We need to give names to the front desk, so please RSVP by Tuesday, June 10th. Every meeting there is someone new. Come and get to know your community! There's no easier way to network! Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
Technology Review (MIT's innovation rag) has an article on Adaptive UIs for the web. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/20872/ What do people think about this? Does it scale? from an IxD perspective? -- dave -- David Malouf http://synapticburn.com/ http://ixda.org/ http://motorola.com/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
My gut reaction was oh no, it's personalized favorites menu all over again. I like giving Microsoft a chance, and I like giving new technology a chance, but that was generally regarded as one of the worst user interaction mechanics in all of Office history, for the reasons that it ran (slightly) contrary to muscle memory. I can't seem to phrase this properly right now, but it's like... What if the user wanted to do something that they usually don't do. These types of systems tuck away less-oft used functionality, making for a really frustrating user experience that one time. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:12 AM, David Malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technology Review (MIT's innovation rag) has an article on Adaptive UIs for the web. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/20872/ What do people think about this? Does it scale? from an IxD perspective? -- dave -- David Malouf http://synapticburn.com/ http://ixda.org/ http://motorola.com/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Web Designer - Scotts Valley, CA - CreateSpace, part of the amazon.com group of companies - Full-Time
Title:Web Designer Job Summary: You're the master of front-end presentation and coding. Not only do you have superb grasp of space, color, typography and imagery; you also produce clean, well formatted, commented code that renders the same regardless of browser. You have a demonstrated ability to meet and exceed client expectations with gorgeous design that converts produced with best-in class XHTML/CSS. You're no stranger to JavaScript/AJAX to make web applications come to life. The internet is your canvas and you create friendly, classy, dynamic and compelling work. Primary Responsibilities: * Use design software to create mockups and html prototypes for new features * Build/Code static and dynamic pages from these mockups and additional specifications * Design and produce optimized, web-ready graphics * Create and manage CSS styles and CSS frameworks * Ensure customer-facing new features meet style requirements * Create code for front-end behaviors with Dynamic HTML * Cross-browser test and troubleshoot site presentation * Optimize pages to be read by both humans and search-engine spiders by using clear, symantic markup Knowledge and Experience Required: * 4+ years of experience in front-end web development * Exceptional pixel-perfect graphic design and typography * Browser rendering and cross-browser knowledge * Advanced knowledge of image processing and web optimization * Building for Search Engine Optimization * Experience working with CVS or other concurrent versioning software Skills and Abilities Required: * Expert with a major design application (Fireworks or Photoshop) * Expert XHTML/CSS for cross-browser rendering * JavaScript to add behaviors to otherwise static pages * Extraordinary attention to detail * Semantic coding with CSS/XHTML a plus * Working with/around dynamic code (Java JSP, PHP) a plus * Multi-task in a fast-paced, deadline-oriented environment How to Apply 1. Send us your Resume (Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Include a link to a site you've created or a portfolio site - we want to see both your design and coding work 3. In your cover letter, include a response to one of the following questions: a. What is your favorite css presentation trick and how/why do you use it? b. What is your favorite book or resource about web design, and what has it helped you create? Susan McGaha | Human Resources | Recruiter P 843.789.5248 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.booksurge.com www.createspace.com work hard. have fun. make history. image003.jpg Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Any IxD'ers at the Enterprise 2.0 conference?
If you're at the Enterprise 2.0 conference in Boston, reply to this thread, and we'll all get together for a lunch tomorrow or Wednesday. Hope to see you there! - Fredrik Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
How many times have you misjudged a person due to a poor first impression? It seems to me that 10 clicks is an awfully small amount of data that could easily be misinterpreted. And once the site has been adapted, how hard is it to find the graphs (or whatever) that the site decided you aren't interested in? I guess, given the little information the article offered, I am doubtful. Jack Jack L. Moffett Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com In our society, the scarce factor is not information, it is time to attend to information. - Herb Simon Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM, David Malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technology Review (MIT's innovation rag) has an article on Adaptive UIs for the web. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/20872/ What do people think about this? Does it scale? from an IxD perspective? It does not scale and I expect a better experience could be arrived-at through application of traditional usability techniques. While I think the tool should remember the preference, does the user know they've expressed a preference? There are potential problems in showing the site to a friend (who might have a different style of thinking). -- Regards, Danny Hope http://hobointernet.com +44 (0)845 230 3760 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
I am a user who doesn't appreciate when a system guesses what I might like. The use of that word makes me nervous for myself as a user and for a client of mine where guessing may just not be reliable or accurate enough, leading to more frustration. If the guessing also is based on click that the user makes as part of a basic site exploration and not something they might wish to be guesses on (like when I get Amazon recommendations when I was just clicking around looking for random things I don't plan to ever buy), that serves to confuse the interface rather than customize it for the user in a meaningful way. RE: Technology Review (MIT's innovation rag) has an article on Adaptive UIs for the web. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/20872/ What do people think about this? Does it scale? from an IxD perspective? Generally, this communication is for informational purposes only and it is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. In the event you are receiving the offering materials attached below related to your interest in hedge funds or private equity, this communication may be intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of such fund(s). All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a user who doesn't appreciate when a system guesses what I might like. The use of that word makes me nervous for myself as a user and for a client of mine where guessing may just not be reliable or accurate enough, leading to more frustration. I think guessing is fine as long as it's peripheral to the main line of interaction. Autocomplete is a simple example of this idea -- I can just type and if I happen to notice that the software has guessed what I want, I can save some typing time and click it. But if something popped up and said Hey, it looks like you're typing SMITH, is that what you want? I'd uninstall the app in a heartbeat. Guesses -- or, let's say, reasonable heuristics -- are often also appropriate when providing default values: the application has already filled in certain fields based on what you've done in the past. Of course you have to be careful when the data is critical; you might not want to assume, for example, that the radiation dosage this time would be the same as last time and get people in the habit of just clicking past the form. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
I see it more of what areas are designated as dynamic versus static. There are tons of recommendation systems out there (Amazon) and no one complains about the change of the content, because it's pretty much never moving. The content changes, but the hotspots themselves do not. Here, we're talking about huge moving targets, like entire content modules on a page, even the navigation bars maybe. And that, I think is the sin here. I don't think anyone will disagree that autocomplete is useful because it helps supplement the experience of inputting text into a box. It doesn't disguise/change it. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Jeff Garbers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a user who doesn't appreciate when a system guesses what I might like. The use of that word makes me nervous for myself as a user and for a client of mine where guessing may just not be reliable or accurate enough, leading to more frustration. I think guessing is fine as long as it's peripheral to the main line of interaction. Autocomplete is a simple example of this idea -- I can just type and if I happen to notice that the software has guessed what I want, I can save some typing time and click it. But if something popped up and said Hey, it looks like you're typing SMITH, is that what you want? I'd uninstall the app in a heartbeat. Guesses -- or, let's say, reasonable heuristics -- are often also appropriate when providing default values: the application has already filled in certain fields based on what you've done in the past. Of course you have to be careful when the data is critical; you might not want to assume, for example, that the radiation dosage this time would be the same as last time and get people in the habit of just clicking past the form. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
I think it might be useful to ask the user before modules of content were moved, switched, auto-populated, etc. before actually doing so in an interface. Perhaps a feature where such a thing could be turned on or off, along the lines or Don't show this to me again or Remind/Ask me later adapted to suit this need. Perhaps also a single click to return to a default view so the user could escape the changing environment and revisit missed items. I see it more of what areas are designated as dynamic versus static. There are tons of recommendation systems out there (Amazon) and no one complains about the change of the content, because it's pretty much never moving. The content changes, but the hotspots themselves do not. Here, we're talking about huge moving targets, like entire content modules on a page, even the navigation bars maybe. And that, I think is the sin here. I don't think anyone will disagree that autocomplete is useful because it helps supplement the experience of inputting text into a box. It doesn't disguise/change it. Generally, this communication is for informational purposes only and it is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. In the event you are receiving the offering materials attached below related to your interest in hedge funds or private equity, this communication may be intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of such fund(s). All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise vs. Axure - Community response - Patent-free thread
No intent to offend in the last post. Sounds like there is a lot I don't know... and it almost sounds like there are two levels of involvement at issue here? I just use Axure to create prototypes for websites and CDs for proof of concept and user testing. That's it. My big concern would be losing a tool from my workbox. I doubt that anything I am doing would be considered patent infringement. It seems there are also people doing work that far exceeds mine in scope and sophistication, where patent issues could clearly come into play. The idea of having a seminar on this subject makes a great deal of sense and fills a need that perhaps we didn't know (some of us) we had! On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM, dave malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy, We are not just car repairman here. There are many in this community that work for companies like Axure and iRise. I.e. we are creators of prototyping software, not just users of it. I.e. there are people on this community board who are on the team for Thermo (Adobe's prototyping solution to come out soon) and definitely people who work on Expression Studio. But it isn't just about prototyping tools either. For example if you are a consultant and employ the Adobe patented method for using panels and palettes i a UI, or a Ribbon from MS, in your enterprise solution or your public web site, you could be sued. So the question is whether or not you INTENDED on breaking a patent, or just did it by accident. Intentionality is a big part here that no one has addressed and it is for this reason that people would like to black themselves out. Further, Fred's original post was not the problem so much as the ones that pointed people to the explicit patents themselves. BTW, I've been at this for close to 20 years and I write patent material and I have never had my HD subpoenaed. It is a VERY rare, but painful occurance. It's like trying to avoid food that you are not fatally allergic to. It just isn't worth all the itching and scratching!!! -- dave . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29941 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
Has anyone actually used this design? My guess is that it's impossible to accurately speculate about how good or bad this is without trying it and without being tainted by pre-knowledge of its adaptive behavior. It all depends on the execution. There are plenty of poor examples of adaptive UIs, but there are great examples too. Quicksilver is an adaptive example that I love. It's guessing and learning all the time. And right out of the box it's more than a little dumb. But over time it has learned what I tend to search for and serves it up practically the moment my fingers hit the keyboard. Another example that's closer to the MIT example was the BBC redesign described a few years ago. http://www.liamdelahunty.com/blog/media/theglasswall.pdf Instead of shifting the location of content, it highlighted particular paths through the content, based on past behavior so that frequently clicked areas grew more prominent over time. Like a well-trampled path across a lawn. // jeff . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30025 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
I agree with this statement, as moving around entire conten modules is all bad all the way. I do think that pushing towards more adaptive interfaces is a positive development as in web application envoirments where you need to support several audiences you either run into scale issues or slowly become more and more bloated. Where making assumptions on the current knowledge level of the user can greatly impact usability and chaning over time as current knowledge level also changes. I wrote an article on this at my blog some time ago, in which I put up some slides of Stephen P.Anderson his talk on this subject. Jeff Garbers do you have an example that is less extreme, as I cant really think of any other the financial or medical forms? Bojhan Somers www.bojhan.nl Mark Canlas schreef: I see it more of what areas are designated as dynamic versus static. There are tons of recommendation systems out there (Amazon) and no one complains about the change of the content, because it's pretty much never moving. The content changes, but the hotspots themselves do not. Here, we're talking about huge moving targets, like entire content modules on a page, even the navigation bars maybe. And that, I think is the sin here. I don't think anyone will disagree that autocomplete is useful because it helps supplement the experience of inputting text into a box. It doesn't disguise/change it. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Jeff Garbers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a user who doesn't appreciate when a system guesses what I might like. The use of that word makes me nervous for myself as a user and for a client of mine where guessing may just not be reliable or accurate enough, leading to more frustration. I think guessing is fine as long as it's peripheral to the main line of interaction. Autocomplete is a simple example of this idea -- I can just type and if I happen to notice that the software has guessed what I want, I can save some typing time and click it. But if something popped up and said Hey, it looks like you're typing SMITH, is that what you want? I'd uninstall the app in a heartbeat. Guesses -- or, let's say, reasonable heuristics -- are often also appropriate when providing default values: the application has already filled in certain fields based on what you've done in the past. Of course you have to be careful when the data is critical; you might not want to assume, for example, that the radiation dosage this time would be the same as last time and get people in the habit of just clicking past the form. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?
Thanks, everyone, for the feedback thus far. Let me clarify why it's
important that I come up with a common terminology that people
understand: I'm writing installation instructions for a client that
provides a service that works with different blog services, so being
able to call something out with as little ambiguity as possible is
paramount. These types of interfaces are quite common, so I was hoping
to have a name for them that makes as much sense as possible since they
show up in the instructions frequently.
Thanks again! Any more feedback is greatly appreciated.
jason
Itamar Medeiros wrote:
I guess a good approach could be addressing the parts at their
information architecture level: TOP LEVEL navigation, SECOND LEVEL
navigation, and so on; after all, tabs is just the current UI
pattern you're using in your design solution... if you decide to
change for drop-down/collapsible trees/etc... the information
architecture stays (your should stay, right?) the same.
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
How do you know that no one complains about them? I see it more of what areas are designated as dynamic versus static. There are tons of recommendation systems out there (Amazon) and no one complains about the change of the content, because it's pretty much never moving. The content changes, but the hotspots themselves do not. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] new iPhone 2.0 + Interactions '09 = Sw33t
My first thought seeing all the new features in the iPhone 3G, is how easy it will be to photo, typepad, twitter, and real time blog at next years Interactions conference, as well as coordinate after hours socializing. -- ~ will Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems - Will Evans | User Experience Architect tel +1.617.281.1281 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] twitter: https://twitter.com/semanticwill - Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
Hey, Jeff Well in the case of adaptive interfaces making the easy assumptions should be fairly do-able, but can you give an example where you need to make guesses in a more dangerous envoirment? I was looking for some, but untill now I couldnt really come up with viable ones. Jeff Garbers schreef: Hi, Bojhan! Are you asking for an example where autocomplete or guessing is less dangerous, or what? I'll post back to the list once I'm clear on what you're asking... thanks! On Jun 9, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Bojhan Somers wrote: I agree with this statement, as moving around entire conten modules is all bad all the way. I do think that pushing towards more adaptive interfaces is a positive development as in web application envoirments where you need to support several audiences you either run into scale issues or slowly become more and more bloated. Where making assumptions on the current knowledge level of the user can greatly impact usability and chaning over time as current knowledge level also changes. I wrote an article on this at my blog some time ago, in which I put up some slides of Stephen P.Anderson his talk on this subject. Jeff Garbers do you have an example that is less extreme, as I cant really think of any other the financial or medical forms? Bojhan Somers www.bojhan.nl Mark Canlas schreef: I see it more of what areas are designated as dynamic versus static. There are tons of recommendation systems out there (Amazon) and no one complains about the change of the content, because it's pretty much never moving. The content changes, but the hotspots themselves do not. Here, we're talking about huge moving targets, like entire content modules on a page, even the navigation bars maybe. And that, I think is the sin here. I don't think anyone will disagree that autocomplete is useful because it helps supplement the experience of inputting text into a box. It doesn't disguise/change it. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Jeff Garbers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a user who doesn't appreciate when a system guesses what I might like. The use of that word makes me nervous for myself as a user and for a client of mine where guessing may just not be reliable or accurate enough, leading to more frustration. I think guessing is fine as long as it's peripheral to the main line of interaction. Autocomplete is a simple example of this idea -- I can just type and if I happen to notice that the software has guessed what I want, I can save some typing time and click it. But if something popped up and said Hey, it looks like you're typing SMITH, is that what you want? I'd uninstall the app in a heartbeat. Guesses -- or, let's say, reasonable heuristics -- are often also appropriate when providing default values: the application has already filled in certain fields based on what you've done in the past. Of course you have to be careful when the data is critical; you might not want to assume, for example, that the radiation dosage this time would be the same as last time and get people in the habit of just clicking past the form. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1491 - Release Date: 9-6-2008 6:52 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 4:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it might be useful to ask the user before modules of content were moved, switched, auto-populated, etc. before actually doing so in an interface. Perhaps a feature where such a thing could be turned on or off, along the lines or Don't show this to me again or Remind/Ask me later adapted to suit this need. Perhaps also a single click to return to a default view so the user could escape the changing environment and revisit missed items. I think, if you're going to ask the user about their preference, you may as well just give the user buttons to declare their view. -- Regards, Danny Hope http://hobointernet.com +44 (0)845 230 3760 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] qualitative and quantitative research
This is called content analysis. It's a recognized research method that was developed for texts but has been applied to video or images. The best strategy for consistent coding in content analysis is to create a codebook of what it is your looking for and keep to it. Good luck! On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:35 PM, christine chastain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning! Does anyone have any experience with making qualitative research as quantitative as possible? This is a rather nebulous idea in my mind for the moment but I was thinking about something like using images from still or video footage and tagging those such that they could be coded in a quantitative way. Sort of like a heuristic evaluation on steroids. Just thinking...thanks! Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expense and income tracking apps?
Also check out Intervals: http://www.myintervals.com/ Intervals does handle expense and income, but is more inclined toward time tracking and task management. Might be a good fit. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29586 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
No, not necessarily. Why would you state such a thing? You give the user the option to accept recommended changes to the interface based on their history. This way you could reveal or suggest things that they might not know how those selections worked but you coud present them contextual to a choice of something they used. Even better might be to suggest something after you had tracked a related item that they showed usage of so that the recommendation was a more solid one. Back to the Amazon example, don't recommend something to me after I clicked on it once, which could have even been a mistake, or someone could have been browsing while I was logged in and looked at things I don't care about. Recommended after you see that I look at books on lithography frequently, read alot about World War I, and so on. I may not know what's out there -- and therefore wouldn't want to have all of the control to declare a view -- but I would like to be able to turn those suggestions and changes off and on. They aren't quite the same thing or do not need to be. Do not limit the ideas of what could be. This comes up frequently in application work that I do, and so it could be applicable to any web/form environment. = I think, if you're going to ask the user about their preference, you may as well just give the user buttons to declare their view. -- Regards, Danny Hope Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise vs. Axure - Community response - Patent-free thread
Fred asked: As a community, do we have the option of posting a formal response on the IxDA site? Or does the board wish the organization to remain neutral? As I noted in my second post on the original thread (http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=29930), the organization wishes to remain neutral on this subject. Thanks, JS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29941 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] From Personal Computers to Personal Information Environments: Apple's MobileMe?
Just watched the WWDC 2008 (I know, I know, iPhone3D... half the
price but that's not the point I want to bring to the table) and I
personally think one of the most interesting services introduced in
the keynote was the new .mac, now called MobileMe
(http://www.apple.com/mobileme/)
You might have a Mac at home, a PC at work, and an iPhone or iPod
touch. The challenge is keeping multiple devices always in sync.
Enterprises can use a server like Exchange. For everyone else, now
there's MobileMe. (http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/)
I realize that other companies went down that path before, and
enterprises now are all about keeping information mobile; what I think
it'll be interesting to see is what the Apple way will do to the
average non-corporate user.
That been said, I'd like you to take a look at Jeff Pierce's (IBM
Almaden research) talk at Stanford's Human-Computer Interaction
Seminars (http://hci.stanford.edu/cs547/abstracts/06-07/061110-pierce.html,
or check Stanford iTunes U), contrast the features of MobileMe:
While today's users work with and encounter a growing number and
variety of computational devices (desktop PCs, laptops, tablets, PDAs,
cellphones, etc.), continued adherence to the model of working with a
single, personal computer has resulted in little support for
coordinating activities across those devices. In fact, most devices
are still completely unaware that a user might own other devices. As
users shift from working with a personal computer to working within a
personal information environment, we need to make it easier for them
to coordinate their activities across their personal devices as well
as effectively leverage devices in the local environment.
Question is: did Apple hit the nail on the head? What features are
missing to accomplish Pierce's vision?
--
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caring to structure, context, and presentation
of data and information
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[IxDA Discuss] Expectations
In UIE's new post on the wheres and whens of users' expectationshttp://www.uie.com/articles/user_expectations/, Jared states: When creating great experiences, it's not so much about doing what users expect. Instead, it's about creating a design that clearly meets their needs at the instant they need it. The article makes a clear case for this statement in the context of what was researched to write it, but the statement itself could be misleading. Buttons and command links and other UI controls set expectations in users' minds all the time, and those that set a very clear expectation are generally seen as having a high degree of usability (obviously, this ties back to the usability = predictability discussion). They instill confidence that what will happen next is what the user believes will happen next. For example, a button labeled Save now sets an expectation that whatever was just done on a particular screen/state will be saved. If the change is not saved, the resulting screen/state breaks the user's expectation. And, of course, this leads to frustration. (Yes, you can certainly do more than just save, in an attempt to create a delightful moment for a user, but the system, at the very least, should do what was promised.) In other words, when creating great experiences, it may not necessarily be about doing what users expect in the first place, but it is often most certainly about living up to the expectations you explicitly attempt to set through the design. If you label a button Save Now, it better do exactly that. So, to clarify, it is definitely about creating a design that clearly meets a need at the instant users need it, but it's also about living up to the expectations the system sets. It's not one or the other. It's both. Arguments? -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] From Personal Computers to Personal Information Environments: Apple's MobileMe?
(I know, I know, iPhone3D... Actually, it's iPhone 3G. But wow, what an idea — iPhone 3D! Now that would be interesting. :) Would make for a heck of a design contest. -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expectations
On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: When creating great experiences, it's not so much about doing what users expect. Instead, it's about creating a design that clearly meets their needs at the instant they need it. The article makes a clear case for this statement in the context of what was researched to write it, but the statement itself could be misleading. [...] In other words, when creating great experiences, it may not necessarily be about doing what users expect in the first place, but it is often most certainly about living up to the expectations you explicitly attempt to set through the design. If you label a button Save Now, it better do exactly that. I'm confused. What are you proposing a Save Now button do that would (a) not do what would be what users expect *and* (b) meet their needs at the moment they need it? It's not so much that the Save Now button do what users expect. It's that it do what users need, which, if I'm not mistaken, is to save the stuff now. What's the issue? Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] From Personal Computers to Personal Information Environments: Apple's MobileMe?
I'm here in the lobby at WWDC (about to go into the next session) and
it does indeed sound like they are trying to do exactly what Jeff
Pierce is talking about. I'm hoping that by the end of the week I'll
get to see a bit more about MobileMe. If there are other finer points
related to his talk I'll post them here.
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On 9-Jun-08, at 3:23 PM, Itamar Medeiros wrote:
Just watched the WWDC 2008 (I know, I know, iPhone3D... half the
price but that's not the point I want to bring to the table) and I
personally think one of the most interesting services introduced in
the keynote was the new .mac, now called MobileMe
(http://www.apple.com/mobileme/)
You might have a Mac at home, a PC at work, and an iPhone or iPod
touch. The challenge is keeping multiple devices always in sync.
Enterprises can use a server like Exchange. For everyone else, now
there's MobileMe. (http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/)
I realize that other companies went down that path before, and
enterprises now are all about keeping information mobile; what I think
it'll be interesting to see is what the Apple way will do to the
average non-corporate user.
That been said, I'd like you to take a look at Jeff Pierce's (IBM
Almaden research) talk at Stanford's Human-Computer Interaction
Seminars (http://hci.stanford.edu/cs547/abstracts/06-07/061110-pierce.html
,
or check Stanford iTunes U), contrast the features of MobileMe:
While today's users work with and encounter a growing number and
variety of computational devices (desktop PCs, laptops, tablets, PDAs,
cellphones, etc.), continued adherence to the model of working with a
single, personal computer has resulted in little support for
coordinating activities across those devices. In fact, most devices
are still completely unaware that a user might own other devices. As
users shift from working with a personal computer to working within a
personal information environment, we need to make it easier for them
to coordinate their activities across their personal devices as well
as effectively leverage devices in the local environment.
Question is: did Apple hit the nail on the head? What features are
missing to accomplish Pierce's vision?
--
{ Itamar Medeiros } Information Designer
designing clear, understandable communication by
caring to structure, context, and presentation
of data and information
mobile ::: +86 13671503252
website ::: http://designative.info/
aim ::: itamarlmedeiros
skype ::: designative
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expectations
On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Jared Spool wrote: What are you proposing a Save Now button do that would (a) not do what would be what users expect *and* (b) meet their needs at the moment they need it? What if you click Save Now, and the system saves your stuff but it also gives you a backrub? That's both unexpected *and* delightful. -Cf Christopher Fahey Behavior biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com me: http://www.graphpaper.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] From Personal Computers to Personal Information Environments: Apple's MobileMe?
I personally think one of the most interesting services introduced in the keynote was the new .mac, now called MobileMe (http://www.apple.com/mobileme/) If MobileMe had been offered as a free service, it would have been the most important announcement of the day. It not only offers a beautiful alternative to Google Apps and MS Office, it does for all of your day-to-day applications what IMAP does for email. Personally, I would switch to it in a heartbeat — if it had been free. With a subscription fee attached, I'm not so sure. Regardless, the 3G buzz will wear off, but MobileMe (a free version anyway) has the potential of being remarkable for a long time to come. -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expectations
It's not so much that the Save Now button do what users expect. It's that it do what users need, which, if I'm not mistaken, is to save the stuff now. It's possible I'm just overanalyzing your statement, but when I read it initially, it felt a little unsettling. Granted, I've said many times that it's not necessarily about simplicity, it's about clarity, which is a statement with a similar intent — to point out that one term/phrase is perhaps accurate than the other and encourage people to consider the distinction. Still, something about it just caught my ears wrong. Maybe it's because it sort of ... cancels itself out. As in, the need the user has at a given moment may only exist because you created/encouraged an expectation in the first place, but then you say a good experience isn't about meeting expectations. Hard to articulate, I guess. Just sounded ... off ... somehow. -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expectations
If the system gave me a backrub I wouldn't care if it saved my stuff or not, I'd just sit there clicking the button and getting more backrubs. In my universe, backrubs and footrubs trump all utility. Quoting Christopher Fahey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Jared Spool wrote: What are you proposing a Save Now button do that would (a) not do what would be what users expect *and* (b) meet their needs at the moment they need it? What if you click Save Now, and the system saves your stuff but it also gives you a backrub? That's both unexpected *and* delightful. -Cf Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] From Personal Computers to Personal InformationEnvironments: Apple's MobileMe?
Actually, it's iPhone 3G. But wow, what an idea - iPhone 3D! ...according to the WWDC Keynote presentation, it does have OpenGL ES for 3D graphics in their Media API layer. Not sure what applications already use this, but it wouldn't surprise me if Cover Flow was one instance of its use. It does bring up some interesting possibilities. evan k. stone | ux | dragnet solutions, inc. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: On that note, I think this may need clarification. If by discuss this you mean the business, practitioner or philosophical issues and at high level, about one company suing another over tools some designers use and need for their work, I absolutely agree. But if by discuss this you means the details of the patents themselves as part of that discussion -- what they say, what was patented, how it was patented, etc -- that would be different and inappropriate for an organization that aims to support professional product designers. My organization certainly aims to support professional product designers... but assiduously avoiding exposure to patents has never been something that I or any of my clients has ever faced or even mentioned. For what it's worth, in my entire 14-year career as a designer of interfaces and products I've never heard of this. What's more, perhaps some companies may wish to do the precise opposite of the policy you describe. They may wish to study their competitors' patents with intense and brazen scrutiny with the express purpose of creating products that avoid those existing patents completely. Does nobody at Microsoft peruse the many Apple patents published on the web, or vice versa? As Jack Moffett asked, are Engadget and countless other product blogs off-limits to professional designers? I find that hard to fathom. Furthermore, one could argue that this admonition to avoid exposure to patents is a great way to stifle and restrict a product designer's ability to design great new products. Reading and viewing technology and UI patents is (to address another recent thread) a great source of product design inspiration. So... Please grant me a punk rock moment: I can understand Andrei's sensitivity to this (he used to work at Adobe, a company with a history of (IMHO) patent law abuse), and in fact Andrei invented several patents that Adobe holds today (http://www.patentstorm.us/inventors/Andrei_M__Herasimchuk/2380240.html , patents that presumably Adobe may wish to use someday to sue one of us for designing a product that vaguely resembles one of them. But Jared? Dan? Do you guys really avoid ever looking at patents, avoid discussing them at conferences or on blogs? Not even, for example, Nokia or Apple's widely-discussed gesture patents, or Apple's planned human interface devices? Or are we all just playing lip service to the bullying tactics of the big patent law abusers? Are we letting the terrorists win? Where is the Dan Saffer who literally called BULLSHIT on this behavior two years ago (http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=9101)? I agree that this isn't an constitutional or ethically-based It's wrong to publish patents! discussion, but rather a practically- focused the bastards will sue you concern. But cowing to the aforementioned bastards by stifling my ability to discuss or view patents was never part of my vision of the happy and rewarding career I've enjoyed and hope to continue to enjoy. And the idea of giving those bastards exactly what they want, and allowing patent law to be abused yet again, and allowing potentially great design to be crushed by fearmongering lawyers, is almost impossible to accept. For those concerned about the legal ramifications of exposure to competitors' patents, the best solutions seem to be: 1) Quit the list. 2) Quit your company (or client). Cheers, -Cf Christopher Fahey Behavior biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com me: http://www.graphpaper.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
Right, don't hide something just because I haven't used it yet. Taken to an extreme, you might hide all the options besides File Open because that's the history of what I clicked. Of course, this program is going to be much more complex. But let's say it determines that I'm details oriented, maybe because I click through the help immediately upon coming to the site. Sometimes I read the help right away, sometimes I feel like being more adventurous and I try to break a program and find out what's wrong with it. My point is, my cognitive style is not set in stone at all times and trying to determine it after a few clicks is probably going to lead you to an incorrect analysis, and possibly it's just going to piss me off. Personally, for a site that tries to read my mind, I'd rather tell the site my current mood or goal and let it modify things according that that preference. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30025 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote: But Jared? Dan? Do you guys really avoid ever looking at patents, avoid discussing them at conferences or on blogs? Not even, for example, Nokia or Apple's widely-discussed gesture patents, or Apple's planned human interface devices? Or are we all just playing lip service to the bullying tactics of the big patent law abusers? Are we letting the terrorists win? Where is the Dan Saffer who literally called BULLSHIT on this behavior two years ago (http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=9101)? I'm still standing. And that patent filing was bullshit. And I still agree with what I wrote deeper into that old thread, namely: It is one thing to patent an UI idea that creates a distinct technical/business advantage for your company. I'm thinking of, say, Amazon's one click button. It is quite another to file broad patents that hinder whole industries and whose features are in common use. But I also, in retrospect, probably shouldn't have posted it to the list. As stupid as the patent filing was, it could have put some list members in jeopardy (although in that case, it would be nearly impossible for any of us to work on the web--but I digress). I think there is a cultural divide here, based on the products one works on. Back when I worked almost exclusively on the web, patents were basically ignored. I barely gave them a second thought, and no client ever mentioned them at all. Not once in over 13 years of web work. But once I started working in the software and hardware world, it's a whole different ballgame. Intellectual Property is taken seriously. It is my understanding, as paradoxical as it may seem, that all major software and hardware manufacturers forbid their designers to know anything about patents being filed. Why? Because knowledge of a patent can triple damages awarded if the company is found to be infringing on a patent. So even if (as assuredly it would) inspire us or enlighten us or whatever, it is best to avoid them. In this case, yes, the lawyers have won. While I am extremely curious about the patents being filed right now (and especially the gestural patents), I have to avoid looking at them as much as possible. Dan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
There was a paper at the CHI2008 conference in Florence Italy that addressed several aspects of adaptive UIs including predictability and accuracy. The reference is: Gajos, K. Z., Everitt, K., Tan, D. S., Czerwinski, M., and Weld, D. S. 2008. Predictability and accuracy in adaptive user interfaces. In Proceeding of the Twenty-Sixth Annual SIGCHI Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems (Florence, Italy, April 05 - 10, 2008). CHI '08. ACM, New York, NY, 1271-1274. The article focuses on adaptive toolbars and not on content, but it does discuss some of the issues around predictability and accuracy of the adaptive user interface. Here is a portion of the abstract that summarizes some of the results. We present a study that examines the relative effects of predictability and accuracy on the usability of adaptive UIs. Our results show that increasing predictability and accuracy led to strongly improved satisfaction. Increasing accuracy also resulted in improved performance and higher utilization of the adaptive interface. Contrary to our expectations, improvement in accuracy had a stronger effect on performance, utilization and some satisfaction ratings than the improvement in predictability. There was one other paper from Florence that deals with adaptive interfaces for small screen devices. Findlater, L. and McGrenere, J. (2008) Impact of Screen Size on Performance, Awareness, and User Satisfaction With Adaptive Graphical User Interfaces. Proc. CHI'08, ACM Press. The ACM Digital Library is filled with research and theorie about adpative user interfaces. One of the issues that comes out of the adaptive interface literature is the amount of data a system gathers before presenting the user with a change to content or the user interface. Clippy, the infamous style of user assistance in Windows a decade or more ago, was a system that was supposed to monitor user input and based on usage patterns (and a Bayesian algorithm is memory serves me well) present the user with tips or hints on how to do better. The problem with clippy was that it's algorithm threshold was not conservative enough -- it should have waited longer and gathered more data before presenting it's mostly useless suggestions. There was an article in The Economist that explained why Clippy was undone by a poorly tuned Bayesian algorithm. Chauncey On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Jeff Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone actually used this design? My guess is that it's impossible to accurately speculate about how good or bad this is without trying it and without being tainted by pre-knowledge of its adaptive behavior. It all depends on the execution. There are plenty of poor examples of adaptive UIs, but there are great examples too. Quicksilver is an adaptive example that I love. It's guessing and learning all the time. And right out of the box it's more than a little dumb. But over time it has learned what I tend to search for and serves it up practically the moment my fingers hit the keyboard. Another example that's closer to the MIT example was the BBC redesign described a few years ago. http://www.liamdelahunty.com/blog/media/theglasswall.pdf Instead of shifting the location of content, it highlighted particular paths through the content, based on past behavior so that frequently clicked areas grew more prominent over time. Like a well-trampled path across a lawn. // jeff . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30025 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Dan Saffer wrote: But once I started working in the software and hardware world, it's a whole different ballgame. Intellectual Property is taken seriously. 100% correct. And as the web people evolve back to the where the future digital game is going to be played -- that being hardware bundled with software solutions for truly rich digital products -- I assure you this issue will become very real for a lot of people who want to practice design professionally at that level. So even if (as assuredly it would) inspire us or enlighten us or whatever, it is best to avoid them. In this case, yes, the lawyers have won. Yup. And in case it was not stated, the correct way to fight patent law is to get involved in politics and get your representative in Congress to work to get the law changed. The *incorrect* way to do it is by doing things that can put your fellow design professionals at risk, like linking patents or discussing their contents openly in an effort to show The Man what is what. So, I'll ask again -- even though this time patents with my name on them were linked, which therefore means it won't affect me personally in this instance -- please do not post links or otherwise discuss the contents of patents on the IxDA distribution list. Seriously do people want folks to quit the list over this issue? I assure you if I walked into the lawyer's offices over at Google, Yahoo, Adobe, Microsoft, or pretty much any major Silicon Valley company and informed them that people were discussing and posting patents on it, this distribution list would *lose* every single one of those people as a contributor or subscriber to this list. Why on earth would any of you want to play that sort of game? Really... The lawyers will win. And you are honestly putting the IxDA board in a very tricky pickle for no real good reason. The IxDA will evolve with the right policy and people will learn not to do it and yes, there will be the occasional slip up... But seriously, if you don't like the law, go work to get it changed. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
I assure you if I walked into the lawyer's offices over at Google, Yahoo, Adobe, Microsoft, or pretty much any major Silicon Valley company and informed them that people were discussing and posting patents on it, this distribution list would *lose* every single one of those people as a contributor or subscriber to this list. That may be the practice in those places, but doesn't make it any less absurd. This is information that's publicly available to anyone with a web browser in multiple different ways that are untraceable unless you're under surveillance. How on earth can anyone prove that a person did NOT access such public info? If you recuse yourself from every venue that can conceivably address patents then I've got a cave for you just north of Kabul. Just because you played ostrich on a mailing list does not mean you didn't access it via multiple other ways. Presumption of guilt doesn't require that you prove a negative. You think those lawyers are going to bar you from accessing the Internet at all? Just a few years ago the same lawyers would laugh at anyone who even suggested that corporate employees could blog publicly. Thousands of companies gave up that practice in a hurry. Sure lawyers will tell you anything that causes them to do the least amount of work. I'm very familiar with a highly regulated industry and every time I design a B2B or B2C app, the lawyers first put up all the barriers they can think of because...well, just because. Mostly because they don't need to think through and solve problems, if they are not forced to. -- Kontra http://counternotions.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
I'm concerned that nearly everyone seems to be looking at this from a parochial perspective. I live in the United States, but a huge percentage of this list does not. It's not necessarily a given that everyone cares about US patent infringement or the threat of civil suits, whether they work exclusively in the web or not. For that matter, it's worth pointing out that not everyone is in a position to care about the first amendment to the US constitution. I've always disliked the tyranny of the minority. The people who squawk the loudest get what they want. To me, it makes just as much sense for them to find their own patent-free safety list as it does for the rest of the readership to change their behavior--which is good because eliminating patents from the main discussion list is never, never going to happen as long as we allow people to post from e-mail. // jeff . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29902 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expectations
On Jun 9, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: It's not so much that the Save Now button do what users expect. It's that it do what users need, which, if I'm not mistaken, is to save the stuff now. It's possible I'm just overanalyzing your statement, but when I read it initially, it felt a little unsettling. Granted, I've said many times that it's not necessarily about simplicity, it's about clarity, which is a statement with a similar intent — to point out that one term/phrase is perhaps accurate than the other and encourage people to consider the distinction. Still, something about it just caught my ears wrong. Maybe it's because it sort of ... cancels itself out. As in, the need the user has at a given moment may only exist because you created/encouraged an expectation in the first place, but then you say a good experience isn't about meeting expectations. Hard to articulate, I guess. Just sounded ... off ... somehow. It's ok. I don't mind the discussion. In fact, it's a good thing. I thought this would play into your Activity-Centered Design mantra. After all, understanding user expectations would require studying users, which I thought was against the rules of ACD. Whereas, just looking at needs would be focusing on the goals of the activity. Isn't this a suit that feels comfortable to you? :) Seriously, all I'm trying to say is that if you try to focus on expectations, it's a hit-or-miss proposition. If you focus on needs, you increase the odds of a hit. Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:08 AM, Kontra wrote: I assure you if I walked into the lawyer's offices over at Google, Yahoo, Adobe, Microsoft, or pretty much any major Silicon Valley company and informed them that people were discussing and posting patents on it, this distribution list would *lose* every single one of those people as a contributor or subscriber to this list. That may be the practice in those places, but doesn't make it any less absurd. This is information that's publicly available to anyone with a web browser in multiple different ways that are untraceable unless you're under surveillance. How on earth can anyone prove that a person did NOT access such public info? If you recuse yourself from every venue that can conceivably address patents then I've got a cave for you just north of Kabul. Just because you played ostrich on a mailing list does not mean you didn't access it via multiple other ways. Presumption of guilt doesn't require that you prove a negative. You think those lawyers are going to bar you from accessing the Internet at all? It's clear that you don't understand how legal argument works. It works like this: The lawyers, in the discovery phase, ask for every email communication which could have mentioned the patent that landed on your corporation's servers. They paw (using the latest e-discovery technology) through each one and find the email that talks about the patent. They then ask to depose each recipient of the email. Your organization's represented counsel will then try to motion to not have you deposed, but the objection will not be heard (because, basically they have to depose you to find out if your testimony should be struck). Then you spend hours in preparation, where the lawyers tell you exactly how you should or should not answer each of the possible questions they think you'll be asked. Then you'll enter the deposition room and for somewhere between 4 and 12 hours (maybe as long as 18), you'll get asked dozens of different questions, all getting to the same point: could you have been influenced by this patent? Each time, your organization's represented counsel will object on grounds that this testimony is unreliable or not to point or outside the scope of interest. Each time, the opposing counsel will instruct you to answer anyways. A court report (often videotape these days) will record every ah, um, and but. You have to be very careful about your words. One slip and you'll have basically admitted that you did see the patent, you were aware of it, and it *might* have influenced your subsequent work. And that's just the first round. Having just spent weeks pouring through 1000+ pages of similar testimony from corporate executives, IT managers, and other witnesses to render an expert opinion in a case I've been working on, I am completely sympathetic to the what-you-don't-know-can't-be-made-into- incuplatory-evidence train of thinking. Again, folks, as crazy as it all sounds, it's a reality for some folks (not all of us). Please show some courtesy. Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote: For those concerned about the legal ramifications of exposure to competitors' patents, the best solutions seem to be: 1) Quit the list. 2) Quit your company (or client). Oh, that's just silly. There's lots of stuff we don't discuss openly on this list. We don't talk about how much we charge. (It could possibly be seen as price fixing.) We don't talk about clients we dislike. (It could be seen as libel or defamation of character.) We don't talk about how stupid our co-workers or managers are. (It would just be a career-limiting move.) Why is it so important that we talk about this openly? Nobody has said that people who are ok with the conversation shouldn't talk about it at all. Andrei and others have just asked that we do it in a way that doesn't put them at jeopardy. Why is that such a difficult request? I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to grok? Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Adaptive UIs (web or otherwise)
M2c: I wouldn't necessarily discourage or disparage this early work. But until these systems get much smarter, I'd continue to place my money on well thought-out designs that incorporate faceted classification, simple yet robuts search capabilities, and multiple navigation systems within a clean and well laid out user interface. These approaches are answering the question what do different users want and need? quite effectively right now. Paul RE: Technology Review (MIT's innovation rag) has an article on Adaptive UIs for the web. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/20872/ What do people think about this? Does it scale? from an IxD perspective? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
It works like this: Anyone can sue you for anything. The opposing lawyer's job is to make your life as miserable as possible. Heck, they will try to go on a fishing trip even if you were not involved in the design at all. This is news to you? They can go through your corporate email, all manner of correspondence or, if warranted, through your PC and hard disks at work or otherwise. This isn't news either and it shouldn't be if you decided to work in a corporation. I am completely sympathetic to the what-you-don't-know-can't-be-made-into-incuplatory-evidence train of thinking. Therein lies the issue: what-you-don't-know. Not being on a mailing list that once in a clear blue sky may reference patents is no proof that you-don't-know. There are many other ways that you get-to-know. And my friend if you recuse yourself from all the places that you can learn something, you'd be left so far behind in your profession that I don't know why you'd bother coming into the office. And again, excepting specific cases of reverse engineer where allowed, designing stuff by burying one's head in the sand only to come up for air after the deed is done to see if anyone will sue is just not smart business. Patents are public for a reason. Please show some courtesy. I would when your corporate convenience doesn't trample upon the right of others to discuss issues they deem important, and when the arrogance with which this has been presented here is reconsidered. -- Kontra http://counternotions.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for patent infringement
On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Kontra wrote: I would when your corporate convenience doesn't trample upon the right of others to discuss issues they deem important, and when the arrogance with which this has been presented here is reconsidered. It's clear there are a select few of you who can't be reasoned with and wish to engage some of us as if we wrote the law when we have not. In times like these, it's up to the IxDA to decide how they want to regulate themselves ad what policy they want moving forward. Obviously, only they can they decide who does what and when on IxDA servers on matters in this situation. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
