Re: [slim] Reinstalling Logi Controller App; lost password
mherger wrote: > > > On the mysb.com login page there's a "forgot password" link. Did you try > > that? > I had seen that, but I didn't know our username, either. That was why I thought I would have to have a new 'persona', and I wasn't sure what MySB would do with our Squeezeboxes if it suddenly was presented with a new persona. I'd seen other postings where people haven't been able to use Squeezeboxes when MySB thinks they are not with their previously registered owner. But ... the good news is that I found our username, and password. (I'd noted it in one of our SQ product guides, at the time. Which amazes me, now.) So we're up and running with the App again. Thanks for the ideas, regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Reinstalling Logi Controller App; lost password
I uninstalled the Logitech SQ controller app from my Android phone while away from home. Now back, and on re-installing it asks me for my MySqueezebox.Com password. Well, that was some years ago, and I've no idea, now. We don't use MySB, at all; all our devices use our own LMS. Is there any way to install the app and bypassing the MySB password step? I didn't want to register the app again with MySB because, if I create another (new) MySB password, might MySB then detect all our Squeezeboxes (we have several) and think they belong to someone else? I'd like to solve the problem, though, because I happen to use a slightly-older Android phone which runs the App, and I find it pretty good. Grateful for any guidance, regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Change DNS server on SBT (static IP)
Mnyb wrote: > vi is the editor onboard Touch. > > That did it, thanks. I downloaded a summary of vi instructions from an academic site and then edited the interfaces file. The interfaces file also had a line something similar to: up echo 'nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd' > /etc/resolv.conf so I had to also replace the aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd with the DNS ip address I wanted to use. Checking the logs of our DNS server confirms its use by the Touch. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Change DNS server on SBT (static IP)
I need to change the DNS resolver setting on our SB Touch. The SBT employs a static IP. Logging in with SSH I can see in /etc/network/interfaces the stanza with its: - static setting on its wlan0 interface, - IP address, - gateway address, and - the address it should use for DNS resolution. It is that last item, the address it uses for DNS, that I'd like to change. I don't seem to be able to find anything in the touch screen menus for changing network settings. Am I able to make this change using the SSH connection? I was wondering if there was a built-in editor that I could use and, if so, if anybody could say what editor it is, and I could look up the necessary commands to change the contents of the /etc/network/interfaces file. Presumably, such an edit would, then, survive any subsequent switch off and on sequences. Grateful for any advice, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wireless Headphone recommendations ?
Apesbrain wrote: > I demoed the Bose 35 and thought it sounded very good. I was going to add this newspaper article to the thread, and so tacked it onto your suggestion. The article reviews the Bose 35s and, at the end, links to another 2 articles covering noise cancelling headphones (published 2014), and bluetooth headphones (published 2015). On a recent flight a fellow passenger let me listen to his (wired, not '35') Bose noise-cancelling headphones, and demoed the nc effect. I was very, very, impressed; it was frst time I had heard that effect. As for frequency response, in which my old KOSS headphones from the 60s has always slightly disappointed me, the test there and then seemed reasonable enough (Sinatra, Fly Me To The Moon, had been his choice) but the occasion was by no means a proper comparison with HiFi sources and speakers, so it's just a personal first assessment. Truly, I was astonished how quiet and, as a result, how 'immediate' and 'close' - and full - the sound seemed. Pricey, though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/21/bose-qc35-wireless-bluetooth-noise-cancelling-headphones-review Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106446 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
bpa, Just a feedback about the plug-in at the end of the programme while in 'Listen Again' mode. At the end of the 3 hour programme that we had on the Touch (Nick Bailey Hall of Fame Monday 28th) using the plug-in, the Touch seamlessly restarted the programme. The 'repeat' setting on the Touch wasn't set (nor set on the laptop browser's 'monitor' of the SBS). We'll probably listen to the final Hall of Fame programme (another 3 hours) later today so we'll check again. It's not a problem because it doesn't interfere with the programme and, actually, it is then 'Listening -Again-' so maybe it feels it ought to do that! Just thanks, again, bpa; it's a really useful plug-in for Classic FM. Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
bpa wrote: > > I have created a new version of ClassicFM plugin - V2.0 with No screen > scraping and no Flash. > > The menu has > * live stream at 128k MP3 > * live stream at 48kb AAC. > * Listen Again > > Listen Again lists all the shows that are currently available. > > ClassicFM seems to use streamed MP4 (48kbit AAC codec) as the default > for Apps. Streamed MP4 supports skipping ahead / back. However > undocumented ClassicFM seems to also supports MP3 at 128kb and AAC at > 48kb but without skipping. Plugin is set to use MP3 128kb on > installation. > > I'm not sure if this plugin is of interest but if it is then perhaps > next version could add > 1. Proper support for stream Mp4 with skipping > 2."what's playing now " with image for Live streams. > > > To install the plugin - add this repository link below to the > repositories at the bottom of LMS Settings/Plugins page. The ClassicFM > v2 line should appear in a new 3rd party repsoitory at the bottom of > Settings/Plugins. Install ClassicFM v2 as per any othe rplugin. > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/classicfm-repo.xml Extraordinary. There are some very clever people around this forum, very supportive, and unsparing of their time. Added the repository, restarted SBS, and Classic FM v2 automatically appeared in the list of 'Active' plug-ins, with a tick in its checkbox. So, on installation, it seems to find the old plug-in, remove it, and install itself. Checked its 'settings' and 128kbps MP3 is ticked. Switched on the SB Touch, selected - Internet Radio - Classic FM v2 - Listen again - Nick Bailey's Hall of Fame transmission from Monday Saint Saens Organ Symphony. A perfect baptism for the plug-in. Simply brilliant. The family think so, too. So, the feedback here is that installation and operation seem ok. I did fail to get Squeezeplay (on W Vista) to work with it - that was my first test while I was still at my desk. (But Squeezeplay here uses a much slower downlink than the Touch and SBS do (512kbps, not normally used for Internet Radio) so it may actually have been working, but simply failing to receive its data promptly enough. Squeezeplay just displayed 'Connecting' for around 4 mins. I'll check that again in the morning, when that link is usually giving faster response times, it's a pretty poor response right now so I don't think it means there's an issue with Squeezeplay and the plug-in.) Skipping would be good especially on long programmes such as Classic FM. Skipping is handy if we're interrupted and, perhaps, have to stop listening and switch off. Later, or the next day, it would be good to skip through to the start again of the piece, which could easily be 90 mins or so after the beginning of the programme and would save waiting for an hour or so to pass before being able to begin to hear the piece again. Are you thinking that skipping might be possible on the 128MP3 Listen Again stream? On live broadcasts, ClassicFM's website shows what specific piece is playing. Do you think that information is also encoded in the (live) stream? Or is the 'What's Playing' information only sort of 'This is Nick Bailey on Classic FM', ie, static throughout the programme? Tides ebb, and flow, but it's risen fast, today. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
bpa wrote: > I can do very little with ClassicFM since it is geolocked - their > webpages are blocked to me but I can play URLS via Tune-in. There may > be a way around but can't try until very late today. > > Have you contacted the plugin author mrw ? > > The plugin uses original Triode BBCiPlayer for Flash but I think > ClassicFM may be moving away from Flash and so plugin may need updated. > Also I'm not sure how plugin connect to BBCiPlayer but I would think you > should test using Triode original version. > Also the plugin is still hosted on google code which needs to be moved > as google are closing it down. bpa, I hadn't realised there were so many issues around this, and so I am sorry to have asked you for ideas since, as you say, there is the author, and you're out of CFM's coverage anyway. Apologies for that. And, please, don't trouble to try anything else this evening. I have unearthed an old laptop, put a current OS on it and will run it on a network segment that doesn't reach the main network in the house. I'll add Firefox to that, and install a current Flash plug-in, and then just plug the laptop's headphone output into the HiFi (that was the first way I ever tried the SQ system, using Squeezeplay; I got hooked!). Bypassing SBS and the SBT, for now, just so that I can settle the family and make sure they get their programme on Tuesday. Just a couple of comments on what you have said. The current webplayer from ClassicFM does still use flash, as of today. Interesting that the SBS plug-in is based on Triode's earlier iPlayer - if that used flash, which is how I read your note, then I guess that would enable 'music', but the plug-in isn't getting that far. It has first to list the programmes from the previous 7 days and let the user select which one hear; it is this phase where the plug-in shows 'Empty' (on Squeezeplay - I can't check on the Touch because it's in use). You mention the plug-in, and Google. On the plug-ins page in SBS settings, I see that I have this repository enabled: http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml as well as, incidentally, http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-short.xml I'll post a message on the 3rd party forum, and see if mrw pops up. It would be good to be able to use the CFM plug-in, if it were possible, because it plays through a decent system, hassle-free. Very many thanks, and again sorry to have distracted you from the weekend. I can now solve my immediate CFM listen again problem, using a separate laptop, and flash. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
bpa wrote: > This is a 128kbit/sec MP3 stream URL - make it a favorite > http://media-ice.musicradio.com/ClassicFMMP3 > > If using ClassicFM via the Tunein Radio menu on LMS - check pout the > "Choose Stream" menu as it gives a choice between 128kbit MP3 and a > 48kbit AAC and an estimated associated "reliability" Noted, thanks. I see that the ClassicFM plug-in, which I have managed to get working as I mentioned above, also uses that media-ice URL. bpa, while on ClassicFM, the plug-in has an entry for 'listen again', but the player comes up with 'Empty'. [The family are out tomorrow and wanted to listen to the final day's Hall of Fame, being broadcast tomorrow, on the next day, instead.] I've tried just with a web browser on a linux PC. Using Firefox, the listen again player (which Classic FM describe as 'Listen on Demand'), that they use needs scripts from 'thisisglobal.com' and 'radioplayer.co.uk' (listening 'live' also uses scripts from musicradio.com', which it would given your finding of the link above). I have enabled those scripts in Firefox but, sadly, the CFM webplayer also needs Flash, but that's a step too far for our machines (due to our choosing to limit our exposure to security risks). Do you know of a 'favourite' link I could use instead for CFM's listen again? I haven't implemented frozzers' sugestion of TuneIn yet - I didn't want to disrupt the server while folk are enjoying the live broadcast. You also seem familiar with TuneIn, do you know whether CFM's listen again is available also through that portal? bpa, thanks for your message anyway, regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
frozzers wrote: > You can listen to it via TuneIn Radio. > > If you haven't already got TuneIn Radio you can get it through App > Gallery in MySqueezebox.com. > > Thanks for that. I don't have TuneIn Radio. You mentioned getting it through MySqueezebox.com. I've never used MySqueezebox.com, we normally run only the in-house server. I did check the 'available plug-ins' on my SBS and TuneIn wasn't there which, I guess, is why you pointed me to MySqueezebox.com. I'll go looking around for it, because it will be useful for other stations, as well. I've also found why the Classic FM plug-in wasn't working, and have fixed the settings - so I've solved my immediate problem and am getting Classic FM at 128, constantly. The checkbox for 'Classic FM live Direct stream - MP3 128kbs' wasn't 'ticked'. It may have been that way since installation, a year or so ago. And, for anyone else reading, the other entry in the settings, for (just) 'Classic FM live' doesn't seem to function at all, here. One slightly odd effect of using the Classic FM plug-in is that the logo displayed on the Touch is just a Classic FM brand symbol whereas, when using the Internet Search method that I posted, though that only gives me 48kbps, it seemed to pick up the particular programme logo to display it. Since we don't look at the SBT while it's playing, the logo doesn't matter to us, but I note this in case anyone else comes back to this thread. Much obliged for the help Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Classic FM [UK] - connects at 128, drops to 48
Just listening to Classic FM's Easter weekend broadcast - they have a 'Top 300' sequence where they play the various pieces that were offered as favourites by listeners. 'Hall of Fame', is the broadcast; it runs for 4 days. Anyway, the problem I'm getting is that the link I use connects at 128kbps CBR then immediately drops to 48kbps CBR. SB Touch is the device, using in-building SBS. Touch is over WiFi, SBS is wired, fixed IPs everywhere. The broadband downlink is running at 1.5 Mbps, up at around 448 kbps, so there isn't an (obvious) transmission problem. May ask about how other folks are connecting to Classic FM in UK? We're not using the Classic FM plug-in, because it's never seemed to work for us. The connection we're using is: 1 Select 'Internet Radio' 2 Select 'Search' 3 Enter 'classic fm' 4 Click on the top search result. (Connects at 128k but immediately drops to 48k) I'm wondering if I'm using an incorrect link. How do others connect to Classic FM, and is anybody getting Classic FM at 128? Grateful to hear of the correct link. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105385 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Difficulty using SBT to reach streaming source (VLC) on LAN
bpa wrote:
> For LMS to play a VLC stream - it needs ot have a name and extension and
> also VLC will only stream MP3
>
> See this thread
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?48568-Streaming-to-Squeezebox-using-VLC
That was a great link, helped me to get it going. I could connect an
analogue source to a USB codec, plug the USB codec into a Windows
laptop, and use VLC to stream the analogue source to any squeezebox
player in the house. Exactly what I needed.
For anyone interested, here are the settings I used:
LAPTOP
- Analogue source (line level) plugged into USB codec inputs (ADC)
- Windows PC with VLC
Eg laptop on WiFi, I use static addresses and this laptop is
192.168.0.101
- Laptop Firewall set to give VLC full in/out access
- Sound settings (from Windows Control Panel) Enable USB codec in,
Disable mic in, Disable line in
Enable Speakers out, disable USB codec out
Configure speakers to be full range - this may be needed to prevent
Windows trying to 'compensate' the sound source
VLC SETTINGS
- VLC set to use default audio system
Set to stream as:
:sout=#transcode{acodec=mpga,ab=256,channels=2}:duplicate{dst=std{access=http,mux=raw,dst=192.168.0.101:1234/vlc.mp3}}
Un-tick 'play locally' - this also may be needed to prevent Windows
trying to 'compensate' the sound source, as well as preventing the
annoying tinny sound
SQUEEZEBOX
- Use SBS 'Internet Radio, tune a URL', and set to
http://192.168.0.101:1234/vlc.mp3
There are 2 things I would like to try sometime in the future:
- see if codec flac (acodec=flac) would work, with flac filename
(vlc.flac), though bpa suggests this might not work
- see if I can get a Linux PC to manage this - when I briefly tried, VLC
couldn't see the USB codec source (though Audacity can).
Thanks to bpa for the link, and to d6jg for the streamwhatyouhear
suggestion (which looks useful but I didn't need, in the end)
regards, Atlantic
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[slim] Difficulty using SBT to reach streaming source (VLC) on LAN
I have a USB codec (ADC) plugged into a Windows laptop and I have VLC on that laptop playing the USB codec source through the laptop speakers. I've tried to setup VLC to (also) stream that source, but I cannot get my SB Touch to stream from it. Settings are: Laptop IP : 192.168.0.101 VLC stream settings (4 different attempts): (i) Stream via http, localhost, port 1234 (ii) Stream via http, 192.168.0.101, port 1234 (iii) Stream via rtp, 192.168.0.101, port 1234 (iv) 'Stream locally' ticked, Stream via http, localhost, port 1234 Laptop firewall settings: VLC has open access on all ports, either direction Using 'tune in a URL' on SBS, http://192.168.0.101:1234, 'click on play', SBT tries to contact http://192.168.0.101, for a few seconds, then stops. I'd be grateful for any advice, and in particular, (a) Is this approach feasible, using VLC to stream a local source across the LAN to an SBT? (b) Will SBT work ok with an http url such as I've been using? (c) if anyone else uses VLC, which settings ought I be using? Should I 'tick' 'stream locally', and do I need to also fill in the url field on VLC's stream menu? Would be grateful for any suggestions. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Tagged WAV files: Any way to convert to FLAC, and retain tag info?
bugmenot wrote: > Since version 3.3, Kid3 has file list context menu items "Export CSV" > and "Import CSV", the resulting CSV files contain the paths of the > exported files and thus can be used with multiple directories. You could > export the WAV tags and then change all the WAV file paths in the > exported CSV file to point to the FLAC files. Then you can use "Import > CSV" to import the file into the FLAC files. Oh, that's interesting. That was what I had tried to do, Kid3 gave me the option to export in CSV, and so it did. But - and this what prevented the procedure working - the CSV file did not contain the filenames. So, on importing (by implication, to the flac files), Kid3 didn't know where to put the tags. On reading your reply, I checked the version we're running; it's Kid3-qt v1.4. Somewhat older than v3.3 that you mention. I'll check the debian repos and see if I can update our version, because what you describe is a useful feature and exactly what we tried to achieve. Useful post, thanks, regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Tagged WAV files: Any way to convert to FLAC, and retain tag info?
Thanks for the suggestions of foobar, dbpoweramp, and mp3tag. I wasn't familiar wih any of those and the versions I found were for Windows. I do have a Windows machine but it's a little easier to reach the files if I use an application on the (Linux) Squeezebox server. In the end I loaded each WAV file into Audacity, and 'export'ed the audio as flac. At that stage, I could have typed in the 'album' tags just the once, Audacity can save metadata and it can use the saved metadata again on the next file; I didn't do that, but my recommendation now, to anyone else, would be to do that, actually. What I had done was to export all the WAV tags using kid3's 'export album' feature. That produced a good-looking, highly structured, text file that even a spreadsheet could open and get each tag in the correct field; I was impressed. This is going to be easy, I thought, I'll convert the files to flac in Audacity, and then just use kid3's 'import album' feature to read the tags from its saved text file and insert them into the flac files. Life isn't straightforward, though; this turned out not to work. In the end, I had the untagged flac files, in the same directory as the tagged WAV files, and then just used kid3 to show the WAV tags, click on 'copy', select the equivalemt flac file, click on 'paste'. I just followed that sequence file by file. I've noted the utilities puddletag and eyed3, which I think are suggested in a linux context. Neither is on the machine running SBS, and I'll check those out to see if they'll be of help next time. Thanks very much for all the information, regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Tagged WAV files: Any way to convert to FLAC, and retain tag info?
I have some WAV files which I have tagged on Linux, using Kid3-QT, and I've discovered that SBS cannot read the tags. There are several past threads mentioning that WAV files can be tagged but few applications can read them; SBS can read WAV tags if they are in one of the two common formats employed, but I think Kid3-QT has probably used the format SBS cannot read. I'd like to convert the files to flac, not just to save a lot of space, but mainly because flac has a standardised tagging format, which SBS handles fine. I thought I could use Audacity but - unfortunately - Audacity cannot read these tags, either. I could simply retype the tags, in Audacity, and save as flac, but as there are quite a few files I wondered whether there was any other utility that would both convert the WAV to flac, and retain/insert the tagged info into the flac files. [SBS is v 7.5, running on Linux.] Grateful for any suggestions. Regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Port 9000 blocked
TheLastMan wrote: I already do access LMS remotely via internet connections, just not from work where the outgoing ports are blocked. Port 80 is forwarded to my NAS web interface and 8080 is forwarded to my router's web interface. I was hoping there might be other commonly open ports that I might use. This is not for streaming, just for occasional monitoring, setting up playlists for later use, updating plugins and so on. Probably about half an hour a month! So, if you only need to access your LMS Web UI, you can do that from your work computer's browser, using port 443. Port 443 will not be blocked. eg: http://[your url if you have a suitable DNS record, or your IP address]:443 You will ALSO need to set up your router at your home to forward port 443 onto [your LMS server's IP address], port 9000 . regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103720 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] AAC for ip3k-Players
bpa wrote: The last time this was asked - a lot of people asked for Ogg to be thrown out but there were a lot of users who said they needed Ogg. I think there are fewer Ogg stations than WMA stations so the chances of a change happening are slim. May I raise my hand to be counted as an Ogg depender? Quite a lot of our own recordings are coded in Ogg. (These days we would record in FLAC, but these recordings were made a while ago.) We need to be able to continue playing these through our SBRs dotted around the place. The fact that SQ boxes 'automatically' load more recent firmware worries me a little, because if the firmware was changed, I'm not sure how we could prevent it loading itself. (Like the idea of BBC back on the SBR again, though; I've yet to tackle the workaround that's been posted on another thread.) Please count us (and those like us) in on Ogg. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103711 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: This thread is a place to continue the discussion about the BBC's ludicrously named 'Audio Factory' debacle, fiasco, etc. Not adding anything to the discussion but interesting to see that a UK national newspaper, The Guardian, had picked up the issue. Most interesting was, I thought, a 'comment' beneath the article, where somebody mentions this forum and goes on to provide a link to the technical discussion that has been taking place here. Here's the article, available on the newspaper's website: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/mar/05/new-internet-radio-listen-bbc-stations Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC iPlayer no longer supported
post #2 in this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103082-BBC-error-message-about-no-longer-supporting-WMA suggests trying to re-select the station, in the expectation (hope?) that a shoutcast stream will be selected. Might be worth posting back, if you try it. regards, Atlantic. Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103084 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Procol Harum concert on BBC R2, Friday evening, 8pm
Assuming that the other person reading the forum also enjoys Procol Harum, a quick post to say that the BBC is broadcasting a Procol Harum concert tomorrow evening, Friday. It's on Radio 2 and I'm guessing the Listen Live feature of the iPlayer plug-in on LMS will play the broadcast. Though I had some CDs of their music, I never had the CD they made with (I think) Edmonton Symphony Orchestra, but I think I've heard what I consider to be one of their best tracks, A Salty Dog, from it. This concert is with a large BBC orchestra and the recording is, apparently, of the UK performance of a tour that has been given elsewhere in the past few months. The programme page is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04njsk5 and the broadcast is at 20: 00 GMT (2000z). Should be good. Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102591 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Procol Harum concert on BBC R2, Friday evening, 8pm
d6jg wrote: Is this a recent concert or from the 70s? . It was earlier this week, Monday, in London. (Tickets were extremely expensive, and to go to British Isles, and then to London, was a voyage too far. Thought long about it, though.) regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102591 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DAC 101 Help Please!
Mnyb wrote: The space issue may be fixed with the next generation of switch mode amps comes around , similar to the latest designs from NAD that is among the few that can hold the line against conventional amps ( most switch mode amps are not really up to it ). Very interesting thoughts. (I don't know anything about DACs and today's amps - we only have traditional analogue kit, actually just integrated miniHiFi systems with various analogue inputs.) I think you're saying that most analogue conventional amps are ok, but not the multichannel kit (such as the OP's Denon?). I've been thinking about the Harmon Kardon range - in particular the stereo items such as http://uk.harmankardon.com/harman-kardon-product-detail-uk/hk-3490.html It's a very big box, though. This has digital in (co-ax, and optical - are those a 'standard', do you think, so that the Squeezebox digital outputs would 'just work' into these) and presumably has a DAC and, I guess reasonable conventional amps? Do you feel that this kind of kit has better 2-channel performance than the sort of AV equipment that you were worried about? And, the same question as the OP raised, external DAC could be placed between an SQbox and this amp, so only using the amp as an analogue device? In your view, using analogue power stages is ok from the point of view of next step up in quality, (or not)? Again, thanks for the basic but very useful (to me, too) thread regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96780 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] All / Logitech Help! Repair of broken Squeezebox 3 (Classic) - analog out won't work
slimhase wrote: - Does anybody have a recommendation on where to buy SMD Parts like the regulator (package label 'L33 B' - zxcl260) online in US, UK or Germany? I am out of touch with components, these days, but my first port-of-call would be here: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/semiconductors/power-management-ics/dc-dc-controllers/?sort-by=defaultsort-order=default The chip ID you posted doesn't seem to come up, but this site lets you select by things such as pin count, package, etc, so maybe there's a pin for pin replacement that you could consider. Especially if the SB was designed sometime time ago. Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96520 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] All / Logitech Help! Repair of broken Squeezebox 3 (Classic) - analog out won't work
slimhase wrote: - I am still in need of a circuit schematic of the SB3 (classic), esp audio part. Anybody? Heiner I recall seeing one, on an official/stakeholder page, either a logitech page, a slimdevices page, or a seanadams page. But I didn't download it, nor can I now find the link. I remember being slightly surprised that a circuit design was in the public domain, and assumed it was a consequence of the IPR regime under which it had first been developed. Searching throws up a few half-useful possibilities: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/uploads/a/ad/Logitech_Squeezebox_Boom_Audio_Design.pdf http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~nroberts/articleSQD.pdf in addition to results pointing to similar questions and modifications etc on this forum, and others, including one comment from Sean Adams saying that the DAC output went to line via a 10pf (I think) cap (can you see that on the board?). The DAC pinout should be widely available, so you should find some points to do a basic test. Have you tried posting in the DIY section? Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96520 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
Gadgety1 wrote: I've spent the day researching alternatives. [..] I also thought of using a tablet or a phone, since most people have them anyway. To get the digital audio out there's a new standard called MHL- Mobile High Definition Link (brought to the world by Nokia, Samsung and a few other small companies) which uses the micro USB port to bring out HDMI and SPDIF digital audio out either through cables, docks etc. I've been looking at this aspect. I'd like to use an Android mobile in some manner similar to Pippin's suggestions for i-Things, and excluding headphone-out sources. Converting from the MHL lead to HDMI isn't difficult. At least 2 solutions: (i) Samsung/Others: standard MHL - HDMI lead; (I'm note sure how to get an HDMI signal into either (a) our analogue in/out traditional HiFi system, or (b) an external DAC. Apart from anything else, as I understand it, HDMI audio output 'depends' on what the receiving HDMI device claims that 'it' is, and what audio transmission scheme 'it' requires.) (ii) Hacked MHL/USB lead as here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1395173page=2styleid=16 But, presumably, the audio signals shown in the sketch are still digital-something, at this point. Not sure what, though. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New SB ?
mlsstl wrote: However, the neat thing is that, if I've bothered to back up my music collection, it exists completely independent of the player I use. I believe one can have a high level of confidence that there will always be a way to play my music. [...] I won't be left hanging with a big collection and no way to listen to it. Not so sure. I've done that, backed the music up, etc. But, a lot of mine is .ogg - because SB plays ogg - but most other systems I've checked don't. I can see a time coming when those other systems on the market won't play flac, either, which is another coding I've commonly used. Fair enough, if there's no 'demand', in the future, which would enable the cost of that option to be recovered from hardware purchasers. But this does concern me - slightly - if the SB hardware lines were to close. Of course, everything could be transcoded to different formats - though retaining the tags is a bit trickier and would be an issue on a large collection - but of more concern is that transcoding lossy formats would result in further degradation. I too have high confidence - but only as long as the hardware lasts. What is the asset life of SB kit? Maybe 10-12 years, for the box, but slightly less - judging by some fairly regularly-occurring posts - for the power-pack. I don't think we're there, yet, though. Let's see what develops. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95885 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jon Lord - RIP
Gramophone has a nice piece. http://www.gramophone.co.uk/classical-music-news/obituary-jon-lord-composer-and-deep-purple-founder A strong contributor. Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95839 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
bpa wrote: The problem is with your file as LMS 7.7 can play many m4a/mp4/aac files. faad is an official decoder but I think there are some files which it can't handle and I suspect your file is one. Beginning to look possible. What info do you get when you run the file with the -i option ? I ran with -i; just a hang. ^C exited. What type of processor and speed is on your LMS server ? Celeron 2200. Server only runs SBS; library is on internal SATA drives. It's a reasonably modern, unstressed, machine. bpa, I guess we've pretty much exhausted the options - to say nothing of exhausting everyone else reading the thread. I'll just convert the file offline. But I would like to say thank you, very much indeed, for your help and insights (and for the hint about running programs not on a path). regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
bpa wrote: Since you are using an SBR (Reciver not Radio), it cannot play AAC/MP4/M4A natively and so LMS uses faad/flac to transcode m4a (actually AAC as m4a is the file not audio format) into a Flac stream (i.e lossless) and the lossless Flac is sent to SBR . Squeezeplay is similar and so you have the same problem with both players - faad cannot decode the file. If you can replace your faad with the version from 7.7.2 , it might fix the problem but I have a nagging feeling that there is still a group of m4a file which cannot be players because of the m4a file structures (e.g. indexes are at the end of the file) You'd better to tranmscode to Flac - trhat way you won't be losing any qualoity - VLC should be able to do this. edit: You can get the faad for 7.7.2 from here http://svn.slimdevices.com/slim/7.7/trunk/server/Bin/MSWin32-x86-multi-thread/ . You mayalso need to copy the cgwin DLLs as well - at some point between 7.3 and 7.6 the faad build changed and they became required. bpa, this was the info I needed. First, I did an external search for mp4 faad and found these SQ threads - listing them here may help others: http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-77834.html http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22t=26302 [discussing 7.3 7.4] http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?82324-Playing-m4a-(AAC)-with-Squeezebox-Server [discussing 7.5] and also found the wiki entry: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/AAC [but only refers to transcoding mov files] Thanks for the link to the 7.7.2 faad system. I'm running linux but I'll look through the same tree and see what I can find. In the meantime, I'll try some transcoding on the fly. The strongest advice in those threads seemed to be: I was able to get AAC/M4A/MP4 file playback working perfectly with the latest nightly build of 7.4.1 by adding the following to my /etc/squeezeboxserver/conver.conf file : Code: Select all #- mov pcm * * # F [mp42aac] $FILE$ -stdout | [aac2wav] -stdin -stdout mp4 pcm * * # F [mp42aac] $FILE$ -stdout | [aac2wav] -stdin -stdout #--- And removing (commenting out) this section: Code: Select all mp4 pcm * * # F [faad] -q -w -f 2 -b 1 -s 44100 $FILE$ This will transcode to wav. I'd prefer to transcode to flac on the fly. I wonder if there's an 'aac2flc' command? (I'll search.) bpa, thanks for the post, which really helped me dig out some of the historical background, as well as informing about some of the (possibly) remaining issues. I'll try some of this later during the day. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
Hmm ... . No luck. Retrieved faad (Jul 2011) from here: http://svn.slimdevices.com/slim/7.7/trunk/server/Bin/i386-linux/faad?view=log replaced version that had been located in /usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/i386-linux and restarted the machine that SBS runs on. Still the same problem. Not quite sure why that wouldn't have worked. Also tried with aac 'disabled' instead of 'native', but no joy. I'll either have to upgrade, or convert this file externally. But I am a little surprised that this fix did not work. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
bpa wrote: First I suggest to check that the faad can decode your file - use faad from a shell prompt to create WAV file. Curious. Code: root@SBS741:/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/i386-linux# faad bash: faad: command not found When I had first copied the new faad, Squeezeplay 'couldn't open the file'. I then made the new faad executable (permissions are now 100777, as reported by mc, and rwx by all users). Presumably just typing faad should invoke it? (Even if only for it to complain about no params.) I saw an example command-line usage here: Need some m4a audio guru assistance - Hydrogenaudio Forums Seems just moov box missing. Probably file was not finalized properly, due to premature termination of writing software or hardware. The following worked. If you want rescued file, I can upload it and will let you know. $ dd ibs=1 skip=44 if='your broken file.m4a' of=raw.aac $ faad -a adts.aac raw.aac http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=93865hl=faad Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
bpa wrote: I guess you are not familiar with linux - unless the directory is on the path you need to give directory as well as executable name. Not enough. Thanks. Curiouser: Code: root@Sbs741:/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/i386-linux# ./faad *** Ahead Software MPEG-4 AAC Decoder V2.7 ** Patched for Squeezebox Server: * ALAC decoder integrated * Seeking support with -j and -e switches * STDIN support * Source at http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.5/trunk/vendor/faad2 Build: Apr 14 2010 Copyright 2002-2004: Ahead Software AG http://www.audiocoding.com Floating point version This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License. ** Usage: ./faad [options] infile.aac Options: -hShows this help screen. -iShows info about the input file. -a X Write MPEG-4 AAC ADTS output file. -tAssume old ADTS format. -o X Set output filename. -f X Set output format. Valid values for X are: 1: Microsoft WAV format (default). 2: RAW PCM data. -b X Set output sample format. Valid values for X are: 1: 16 bit PCM data (default). 2: 24 bit PCM data. 3: 32 bit PCM data. 4: 32 bit floating point data. 5: 64 bit floating point data. -s X Force the samplerate to X (for RAW files). -l X Set object type. Supported object types: 1: Main object type. 2: LC (Low Complexity) object type. 4: LTP (Long Term Prediction) object type. 23: LD (Low Delay) object type. -dDown matrix 5.1 to 2 channels -wWrite output to stdio instead of a file. -gDisable gapless decoding. -qQuiet - suppresses status messages. -j X Jump - start output X seconds into track (MP4 files only). -e X End - end output X seconds into track (MP4 files only). Example: ./faad infile.aac ./faad infile.mp4 ./faad -o outfile.wav infile.aac ./faad -w infile.aac outfile.wav ./faad -a outfile.aac infile.aac root@sbs741:/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/i386-linux# ./faad -w test.m4a outfile.wav *** Ahead Software MPEG-4 AAC Decoder V2.7 ** Patched for Squeezebox Server: * ALAC decoder integrated * Seeking support with -j and -e switches * STDIN support * Source at http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.5/trunk/vendor/faad2 Build: Apr 14 2010 Copyright 2002-2004: Ahead Software AG http://www.audiocoding.com Floating point version This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License. ** [.. 40 mins later ..] ^Z [2]+ Stopped ./faad -w test.m4a outfile.wav root@sbs741:/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/Bin/i386-linux# faad hung, for over 40 mins. The test file is 6.6MB. outfile.wav is created, but zero length. No error message from faad. I'd posted the 'intro', above, so that the CLI options would be visible in the post; none looked to me to be relevant. And the faad version is the latest one from svn, as far as I can tell (it looks later than the one in my SBS 741 installation) - a 2010 release (?) from upstream, and a 2011 patch before adding to svn (judging from the log). I also ran faad with -i but nothing more was printed, and it hung in the same way. But I doubt that this file is 'anything special'; my guess is that, since LMS 7.7 works fine with m4a, that what I'm doing here isn't quite compatible with the patches used for Squeezebox. Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] M4a (sorry)
First: apologies. There have been countless posts dealing with m4a issues, but the forum search isn't recognising 'm4a' (or mp4). Does anyone still have a link to a (the?) thread describing how to play m4a files? Received an m4a file from a performer's website sign-up, and SBS recognises it as an m4a file, recognises performer name, song title, picture, and the lyrics (which surprised me) and reports the file as being: File format: mp4 Bitrate: 256kbps CBR (Converted to 705.6kbps ABR) Sample size: 16 bit But my SBR plays no sound - though its LED is showing bright white (it is receiving) and the SBS web UI shows the track being played - ie, the time-bar moves onwards. In SBS, the file type settings for MP4 are: AAC - Native FLAC - faad/flac MP3 - faad/lame PCM - faad Neither, incidentally, does Squeezeplay play the track, on a (wired) windows PC. I think I recall seeing something about inserting a transcode in a convert.conf file in previous threads. Could anyone point me to a relevant thread or, maybe, some instructions? And sorry for asking about something which I think is already solved, if I could only find it. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
bpa, thanks. bpa wrote: LMS supports m4a properly - there is no need to add or change any of the conf file. I think I'd read that in one of the threads. Is the file a pure audio file or does it have some video embedded ? Can you play this file on other PC based players ? Not sure about video; VLC plays it with sound only. (Would VLC show video?) What version of LMS ? SBS 7.4 One of the previous threads (had) suggested - if I recall correctly - that M4a is served to the player losslessly and that, if PCM was used, a wireless-connected player might struggle. But since the file doesn't play through Squeezeplay, either, on a wired PC, I think I've a more-serious problem. I'm happy to try to transcode it to, say, Mp3/320. I think I'll search for transcoding and see how to do that. Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] M4a (sorry)
bpa wrote: There have been a number of m4a related fixes since 7.4 bpa, that is a quite-compelling reason to upgrade. Hadn't done so, Gary, because (i) the system just runs very well, and (ii) upgrades are a little disruptive with plug-ins - some of the extras we use have quite different versions for the later releases. Apart from, as well, the time it takes, and not being entirely sure whether you had to remove the old, etc, so researching the steps, safeguarding a fallback strategy; upgrading is a 'project' in itself, really, in the context that the existing installation is working so well and giving the family good service. I just trust it. But I can see that upgrading may be necessary, especially if sampler and publicity material is going to be released in the future in m4a files. I'm going to dig around for a transcode solution, though - I'd like to know how to do that, anyway. Thinking about it, I could probably do a conversion offline (it's the only m4a file I have) with any of several utilities already on the box, even if I cannot persuade my SBS to do it 'on the fly'. regards, Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows Users: Run a full library scan following time changes
castalla;695338 Wrote: What time change would that be? Perhaps this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16597191 Except that they postponed the decision, again. Until 2015. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44626 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows Users: Run a full library scan following time changes
castalla;695344 Wrote: Does not compute! -quote If this does happen, the ITU says that leap seconds would be eliminated from 1 January 2018. -unquote Yes, they said that IF it happened, then there'd be 6 years' notice. Time enough, you would think, 6 years. But Time does not seem to be what we think it is. It does (or doesn't) match the Earth's rotation. It gets delayed by some old guys in Paris who decide whether to add a second now and then. It gets shifted around, so that midday - in our neck of the woods - occurs at a quarter past one for half the year; our sundial is never right. Beats me how anything works, really. Anyway, that decision was postponed until 2015: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16625614 regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44626 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech, please post an apk for the Squeezebox Controller App
mherger;692193 Wrote: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Logitech_Squeezebox_Controller_App#If_you_don.27t_have_access_to_the_Android_Market -- Michael Oh, Michael, thank you very much, indeed. Had this always been there, and I hadn't seen it? Apologies if we were wasting your time. But thanks, again, regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93565 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] listen to 'Guardian.co.uk' streaming Springsteen?
The UK's Guardian newspaper is streaming Bruce Springsteen's current album, through Soundcloud (I think). http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/feb/20/wrecking-ball-bruce-springsteen-easy-money One track each day. Is it possible to listen to this through SB units such as the SBR? The Guardian newpaper often has various new releases publicised in this way, but our PC browsers have media plug-ins disabled and, anyway, listening on a PC isn't much fun; we'd much rather listen to this on the HiFi in a comfortable room. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93695 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech, please post an apk for the Squeezebox Controller App
mherger;690428 Wrote: BTW: no need to root your Kindle if you have a regular Android device. Michael, I've a regular Android device but I'm also interested in a direct posting. The reason is that I don't have a Google account (and really don't want to have to have one). (And you cannot use the Android Market without an account.) So, notwithstanding the likelihood of SQ apps going into the Kindle store, is there another repository for Google/cloud refuseniks? regards Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93565 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Listserver problems?
Haven't had any email delivery of the forum via the listserver since, I think, February 7. Is the listserver running ok? regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93696 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Carols from King's BBC R4 HD
Triode;679729 Wrote: Best way to get the 320k version of this (the HD stream) is to listen again to the R3 programme (2pm) which will be 320 on iPlayer - note it will show 128k, but the actual stream is 320k. Triode, thanks for the advice. The R3 broadcast (according to the schedule) also includes an additional piece of music which was not included in the Christmas Eve live broadcast, making it even better 'value'. Are all the BBC radio 'listen again' streams 320kbps, or are only the R3 programs played at 320 on 'listen again'? regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92544 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Carols froms King's BBC R4 HD
The Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols http://www.kings.cam.ac.uk/events/chapel-services/nine-lessons.html is broadcast today at 3pm GMT on BBC's R4: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/nine-lessons-and-carols/ and this will be broadcast in HD (320kbps), as well. While I can get R4 at 128 AAC using Triode's iPlayer plug-in, I don't seem to see any HD listings in the 'station list' under 'listen live'. Should I be able to see an HD variant of the program, or does that not show up until the broadcast starts? I'm using version 1.1.21 of the iPlayer plugin. (I've a secondary problem, too; for some reason I cannot see the complete plug-in list, including all the 3rd party plug-ins, and neither can I see whether - for example - I ought to update the iPlayer plug-in to receive the HD stream. I must have done something silly, could anyone point me to how I display 'all' the plug-ins available, and be able to check for plug-in updates?) regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92544 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Carols from King's BBC R4 HD
Ed, the BBC stations are listed under internet radio if you have the iPlayer plug-in installed under 'settings' in your server. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229highlight=bbc+hd Then select listen live. I posted because the HD programme isn't listing under iPlayer, in my setup. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92544 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best android hardware for Squeezebox remote ?
erland;677336 Wrote: So, is there anyone that have experience with Android hardware and usage together with Squeezebox and would like to recommend something ? I'm having limited success with Galaxy S2 phone. Upsides are: Seems just about the right size to hold, use, or put to one side on a coffee table. Battery life actually isn't too bad, if you switch off 3G operation (otherwise battery life is an issue); I manage 2 - 4 days between recharges with intermittent use on WiFi. Used SqueezeDroid, and normal SBS web UI on it, controlling two SBRs. Haven't tried SQ-commander because I haven't registered with Google. Haven't tried the Logitech app because I don't want to register with My Squeezebox . Com, either . Downsides are: Very expensive, even on a contract (you either buy it, or pay during the contract life). It's an unnecessarily rich phone for this type of use - it has GPS stuff etc, as well as countless applications most of which I haven't used. Web UI is too small on the screen; although you can expand the view, you then lose the 'positional' context, so it's not the best way to use the phone. SqueezeDroid works, but I seemed to get a long list of tracks which I found difficult to navigate, and I hit the problem that if you select one track to play, the whole album gets played. (There was another thread about this a while ago and I've got to check what the solution to that was.) So I tend to use the Web UI, and expand the screen to make selections etc. It's a good question, though. I'm also interested in getting a less-complex Android phone which might be good as a remote - as well as occasional browsing etc - but in this form factor; I like the hand-holdable size, and the fact that it doesn't take a lot of space if you put it down on a small table or shelf. (A useability aspect, really.) I don't know if Squeezeplay would work, I haven't tried it. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92355 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
MrSinatra;669423 Wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/desktop/231902887?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News Useful link, thanks Mr S. Points us to http://ir.logitech.com/events.cfm?eventid=104245 and, on the right of that page, a link to Aisha's slides http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/LOGI/1502914136x0x516373/814afe4c-d891-4bb4-99a8-7abf2790a900/AA_-_AID_2011_110911_FINAL_.pdf where she talks about Music and TV. Well worth looking at, and shows a commitment to SQ and to music streaming. Her focus, rightly in my view, is on music streaming - from the internet, for now, with SQ Radio - though I think she'll need to move up to a SQ radio device that can dock an iPhone or Android phone. (Tech detail: docking not strictly necessary since device could stream over WiFi or BT, but there will be battery issues for the main user, and a dock could provide power and recharge.) But this focus on music streaming is correct because it is the high-volume future, and where Logitech is likely to do well. She does show a laptop also streaming to the SQ radio, but she doesn't mention the more substantial stereo use cases. But the Touch is a good product, so - hopefully - she'll activate or re-activate its marketing. One possibility she might think about is upgrading the radio product to also double as the higher-end audio source, a sort of combined radio/touch/Android dock. The commercial reason for this is that Logitech is aware that people 'trade-up' and the CEO said he needs the company to have products that people can move on to; this could be a good fit, I think. Her slides look positive, and that Andy feels confident enough to voice the thoughts that he has, does suggest that Logitech is aware of the potential of SQ kit in music streaming. I hope the team succeed. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] WiFi performance limits with sync'd players
Our WiFi system became overloaded while playing flac files to two sync'd players - SB Receivers, in this case. I'd added to the problem (I think) by recording the flac files, from analogue sources, using a 24 bit depth. The topic has been much visited in recent weeks/months, in the context of looking for solutions, but the threads where it's been raised have produced some interesting 'numbers'. It's the numbers I'd like to think about (the solutions have been well-aired). The 24 bit flac files (44k sample rate) are showing bit rates which vary between 1.2Mbps to 1.4Mbps. These seem high compared with, for example, a posting in the (excellent) 'big party' thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=657983postcount=15 suggesting that 16 bit 44k PCM is 1.4Mbps (presumably that's stereo, is it?). It seemed to me that flac isn't compressing PCM by much. (Well, maybe saving 8 bits per 24 bits isn't too bad, really?) Our flac files at 1.4 Mbps are taking 2 x 1.4 Mbps (ie, 2.8 Mbps) for transmission to two sync'd players and, in our case where we use a repeated signal because of line of 'sight' issues, actually 2 x 2.8 over the WiFi channel, roughly 5.6 Mbps. Adding 10% or so for IP overhead such as framing, error checking, acknowledgment, whatever, we're over 6 Mbps. Even using Wireless-G, this seems too demanding for our installation. There is one question I'd like to ask. I used Audacity to capture these analogue sources and save them to flac. Audacity has 'options' under its flac filesave menu, where you can select the 'quality' (best to worst), which confuses me a little. Since flac is lossless, I assume there isn't a 'good' or 'bad' in a fidelity or perfection sense; I assume the 'best' or 'worst' is a measure of the aggression of the space saving (with an implication for the ultimate decoder, the SBR in our case). Does anyone know if that is the case? Does anyone suffer a fidelity loss, after all, with these Audacity settings? And one query about SBS helping us out. We're getting some work done to install a wired network - it'll take a little time, though. Meanwhile, I looked at SBS settings to se if it would temporarily transcode flac down to, say, MP3, but MP3 is greyed out in settings. Can anyone think of any way to transcode flac in SBS so that a lossy format is transmitted to our SBRs, for the time being? regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91448 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WiFi performance limits with sync'd players
Mnyb;668316 Wrote: Mp3 greyd out is lame installed ? What kind of server , bitrate limiting may be an option if you can make that work ? If the server has the cpu to run lame . Mnyb Oh, well done; I don't think LAME is installed. It's a new server - Debian 6 (Squeeze?) - and I haven't added the extra repositories (forgot). Thanks. Mnyb;668316 Wrote: i think you actually get rather big files if converting some analog sources to 24 bit SN for vinyl for example is not great the majority of the signal will be random noise and random noise does not compress well, the file will not be that much smaller . 24 bit gives you 144dB Some vintage sources can be noisy so most of the signal content is noise. even using a perfect source at least the 3 - 4 of the bottom bits will be noise there are not much practical circutry that has more SN than 20 bits aproximately . Some seriously good points there, especially the inherent noise level to be expected on older sources, and on consumer-grade equipment, and the likelihood that the noise will occupy the lower bits and not be compressible. Good post. Pski Wrote: You would have to be using the wifi version of cups and string for it to have trouble with the bandwidth you mention. What are the players' signal strength? Hehe. I think we are using wet string, because of the solid and thick internal walls (very severe attenuation), and the multipath (I suspect we're surviving on reflections). The players are quite close to the repeater and showing 90% and 70% reception (ie, from the repeater) but I'll check again when it next happens. The repeater doesn't report its own performance, though, sadly. Pski Wrote: Have you considered the possibility that the server's trans coding may be the bottle neck? P I will check this; it's a new D6 linux build doing nothing else than SBS (at the moment) so shouldn't be stressed too much. It is very much worth checking, though, in case something is set up wrongly. Do you happen to know which log to check for this type of symptom? I can do a search, anyway. Handy posts, both. Regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91448 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can't get USB Audio working in Squeezeplay...
carled;667669 Wrote: I'm using 11.04 Natty on the joggler. ... I commented out the pulse.conf load line in the asound.conf in the usr/share/alsa directory. Trouble is, it's given me the speeded up sound problem now (10% or so fast, so it's the old 48000 vs. 44100 thing again) ... It's hardware related. I bought some logitech s-150 usb speakers that don't have anything other than the usb cable that feeds the audio. These are what are recognised by the joggler as the USB audio items in proc/asound/cards. They work fine for system/youtube/xbmc, but squeezeplayer plays 20% or so fast. Adding the rate 44100 line kills the sound off completely though. ... I also bought a small usb audio card similar to yours and that works fine and plays at normal speed, so it must be down to the audio driver chip in the speakers. ... There must be something that can be done to force squeezeplay to access the sound drivers in the same way, surely? Not familiar with Joggler, or with Natty. Wonder whether Squeezeslave will run with the speakers for you? If so, you could use Squeezeplay as the controller (if you needed a device-based controller). Failing that, would VLC run for you? If so, you could ask VLC to access 'stream.mp3', though I think SBS won't forward radio streams to VLC (gives a message such as 'cannot do this with http players'). Equally perhaps xbmc can be fed from 'stream.mp3' (I've not used xbmc, so unsure). Really, what I'm suggesting is try a player other than Squeezeplay and see whether they use the USB speakers correctly while streaming from SBS. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91367 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can't get USB Audio working in Squeezeplay...
carled;667543 Wrote: Being ignored on wikiforum, so fingers crossed for a genius on here! Your wish is my comman, oh, thought you said genie, sorry. carled;667543 Wrote: In xbmc the audio correctly comes out through the USB audio, in squeezeplay the audio comes out through the internal speaker! I've had difficulty generally with USB audio, particularly on Ubuntu. I've noticed that some apps do use the USB, others don't, and I'm not sure why. I've had success with USB on Linux using Squeezeslave, and using Softsqueeze which - if I recall correctly - is a jar application. I have had Squeezeplay running using Squeezeplay.exe under WINE. I think each of these has used USB audio without difficulty, using Fedora (fc13 or fc14, I haven't moved on from those releases because I am happy with what they do at the moment and didn't want to run into HW compatibility issues). What release are you using? regards, Aladdin -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91367 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using a 7 tablet and Squeeze Commander
Do these smaller devices - 7 - usually have a USB port? A (normal) USB port that could take a USB soundcard and so both 'send' stereo sound to a HiFi, as well as 'receive' analogue for conversion to digital? I've used Squeezeslave successfully on a netbook with a USB soundcard, but a tablet would be simpler/smaller. (Must have been asked before, so apologies if a repeat but, as an earlier poster suggested, this type of device could really be very, very, good.) regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91224 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using a 7 tablet and Squeeze Commander
bitstreams;667256 Wrote: I can't see how this would work unless the device were running Windows/Linux. I don't think (but may be corrected) that Android devices have device drivers for things like USB sound cards. You'd have to go for a Windows tablet I think for that and I don't recall any 7 ones. Oh. I hadn't realised that Android wasn't Linux - I'd simply assumed it was. maggior;667272 Wrote: At the moment, unless you run a customer kernel (aka root) ..., the only thing you can use it for is mouse or keyboard. ... I've seen the question about support for USB sound cards in Android come up in various forums. It may take a while, but somebody is probably working on it. I guess tablets work so well because they have a reduced OS, running in ROM; that's understandable. I hadn't realised that Android was (potentially) this limited (I knew nothing about it, really, so thanks for the info). The netbook I used - and I was pretty impressed, actually - was running Linux (Fedora); I think until tablets can run a stock linux - albeit with extra drivers/apps added from repositories - it's perhaps better to wait. But the idea, of using a 7 tablet with those capabilities as the media delivery system to a HiFi, is compelling. Thanks, both, for the input. Regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91224 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapped playback? (playback with gaps between tracks)
cliveb;664642 Wrote: It sounds to me as if we're talking mainly about classical music here. In my experience, classical CDs tend to put the gap into index 0 of the upcoming track (that's the part where you see your CD player counting down). If you have ripped individual tracks, then the liklihood is that the ripper has started at the position of index 1 (the point where your CD player stops counting down and the music begins). So you have lost the gap that was present on the CD. Clive, useful post. Ive done some tests and noticed this in terms of playback of various types of files: Hotel California CD - track by track rip - has audible gaps when listening Everly Bros compilation CD - track by track rip - has gaps while listening Analogue sourced tracks - track by track capture without silence gaps - no gaps while listening Then I made a handbuilt playlist, analogue track then CD track then analogue then CD, etc, and heard: (a) No gap between analogue track followed by CD track, then (b) Very short gap between CD track followed by analogue, then (c) No gap between analogue track followed by CD track, then (d) Very, very short gap between CD track followed by analogue I conclude from this, and from your post, that the 'index 0' gap has been appended to the end of the previous track, though I am not sure this has happened 'every' time. Maybe over the weekend I can run some of these tracks through audacity and see just what 'silence' there is, and where. I've looked again at the crip website ( http://bach.dynet.com/crip/ ) and I notice that there are settings for dealing with 'silence' so I think I need to be more specific about that when I'm capturing from CDs (I created those files when we'd just first had SBS and probably didn't fully understand why the gap might be important). We purposely do track-by-track captures so that specific movements of a longer work can be played, if we want. On classical 'compilation' CDs - several different works - then track-by-track labelling and access is vital. From the point of view of the analogue captures, I think I'd like to add 3 seconds silence to the start of each of the files. Some sort of 'batch job' might manage this, I'll look into that. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Gapped playback? (playback with gaps between tracks)
Our setup uses SBS, and SBRs. Everything is working fine. The music - whether an album or a hand-built playlist - plays back without gaps between the tracks. We'd prefer to have a short gap between tracks so I looked through SBS settings to see if this was possible. I couldn't find anything. (I've looked several times.) The nearest I got to was something named 'crossfade' but I didn't really want to fade anything. This would be particularly good for us when listening to classical pieces, where we find that a short gap between movements or items can often be welcome. Have I missed a setting in SBS? regards, Atlantic [By the way, apologies for the rather wordy title; thought it might help others if subsequently 'searching' for the same thing] -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapped playback? (playback with gaps between tracks)
andyg;664493 Wrote: You should listen to the music the way it was intended, and the same way it plays on a CD. :) Andy, I completely agree! I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. The problem is that when playing individual tracks, say 1812 Overture, followed by Romeo Juliet, at present there is no gap at all between the end of the sound of the first piece, and the beginning of the sound of the second piece. Whereas, on a CD, there is a gap of, say, 3 or 4 seconds (I've never measured it) between the pieces. And, in a concert - even when conducted by the composer, there is a gap between a piece's movements, and certainly between pieces themselves. It is the 'gap' that the composer intended, and that the CD player exhibits, that I am trying to recapture. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapped playback? (playback with gaps between tracks)
andyg;664501 Wrote: I'm afraid there really is no good way to do this. You might want to try using Fade in and out as your crossfade setting, which will at least make it less abrupt. Ok, I will try this, and see how it sounds. From what you say, it's the practical thing to do with SBS. On a different tack, could the insertion of a timed gap (between streaming of successive tracks to a player) be performed by a suitably-written plug-in? And if so, would such a plug-in be capable of being written in Perl? regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapped playback? (playback with gaps between tracks)
garym;664507 Wrote: This is very odd. All of my rips of CDs/Tracks that do have gaps play with gaps on all my SB players. How were your CDs ripped and was there some odd setting you used at the time of ripping that removed the gaps? And agree, make sure you don't have crossfade turned on (in my setup it is off, so I DO get the gaps where gaps exist). Gary, I must check that; it may be that the problem is ok on the CD rips we have but is definitely prevalent on digital captures from analogue sources where our music was captured on a track-by-track basis. From now on (knowing this) we can add a few seconds silence, at the end of each capture, using Audacity. (We use crip to create the flac files from our CDs.) Thanks for the comment, too, I hadn't explicitly checked what the situation is on our CD flacs; most of the music we listen to is from analogue sources. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91049 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Several Problems
Phil Leigh;654319 Wrote: Try giving the SB3 and the Server static IP addresses. And, indeed, the duet and the controller. The 'flooding' worries me, though. Are the systems re-downloading the firmware (this happens if they switch between MySqueezebox.com, and your own SBS server), and perhaps doing that repeatedly for some reason? I cannot think why that should repeat, though, but if the flood is more than a minute something quite strange is going on. I'm unfamiliar with either the PogoPlug, or WHS, but whichever you use, DO make sure they are NOT providing a DHCP service in addition to any DHCP service your router might be providing. Phil Leigh;654319 Wrote: Also make sure that either the SB3 or the Server is WIRED to the router This is an interesting suggestion; I was wondering if the 'flood' (which is puzzling me) might be some kind of 'discovery' protocol not working happily. Maybe discovery doesn't work well if everything is wireless, that is possible because wireless takes time to authenticate and some protocol time-outs could(=might) be too short to accommodate that delay and so keep retrying. Maybe. Not sure. Wiring those systems is a good idea - even just to 'check' if it isn't normally what you'd prefer. I've one other suggestion - just for a test. Disconnect your internet connection - if you can without upsetting anything else too much - so that nothing is trying to reach mysqueezebox.com, or reloading firmware, or trying to auto-update, or anything like that. (My idea is to somehow reduce the network loads so that we can see what 'aspect' of the SB operations is causing the flood and the other problems.) Keep the internet disconnected, and then switch off the SB3 and duet and controller, then switch them on again - so that this second time they will have absolutely no need to re-load their firmware because nothing will have changed. Do post back with any results you get, good or bad. Good luck. It certainly ought to be working, and the family ought to be able to enjoy it, too. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90044 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Streaming: monthly capacity usage
I've been playing with some numbers to see what streaming uses, in terms of monthly usage. If anyone's interested, I've created a small spreadsheet which gives a rough idea of how much of a monthly limit regular streaming might use. Actually, I got a bit of a shock. Even only streaming 4 hours a day, at 128k, would use approximately 8GB per month. That is a significant proportion of a 10GB service, for example (and I'd previously measured some web browsing at around 1GB per month, per person, so 10GB doesn't go far, really), and certainly exceeds a typical 3G/mobile service contract such as I've variously seen at 1GB or 3GB monthly. I've attached the spreadsheet; there are two versions in the zip, one is LibreOffice compatible (.ods) and the other is Excel compatible (.xls). 3G/mobile carriers include 'upstream' traffic in the loading calculation, and so do some (not all) fixed-line providers, so there is a facility in the sheet to select whether upstream loading should be Included, or Excluded. Other inputs (all the inputs are shaded 'blue') are available for stream rate, and (average) hours per day of streaming. There are a couple of other assumptions for the IP overhead (I've set this to 15% but you can change it) and for the upstream loading (which I set to 5% but, again, you can change it). And any corrections would be very welcome, by the way. regards, Atlantic +---+ |Filename: StreamingCapsV1.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12404| +---+ -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio Stations won't play when on Server.....
jeff52807;639951 Wrote: ..but will if I switch to mysqueezebox.com. On both Duet and Boom. Any ideas? Running version 7.5.1.r9009. I don't use mysqueezebox.com, but I do use the SBS. I've had a similar problem lately, which was due to an incorrect setting on one of our proxy servers. But, if I understand the SQ protocol correctly, I can imagine a couple of problems which could cause this: IF the radio station required the SBS to transcode for the player, THEN if the computer running SBS (not SBS itself, but the underlying computer software system, such as Windows, or Linux) did not have a 'gateway' to the internet (there's a network field for this), or did not use a working DNS server (there's a network field for this, as well), then I think you would find that those radio stations would not play. If the SBS was set to use a proxy server (Advanced, Network, Proxy) AND the proxy server either did not have a gateway to the internet, or did not have a correct DNS server entry (that is what happened to me recently after a power outage upset the proxy server here), then I think you would find that no radio stations would play. There may well be other possible reasons. If you can, (a) check the Gateway, and DNS settings on the computer running SBS, and even check whether it can reach the internet for browsing, etc (although that's not a perfect test because browsers can be set up to use a proxy which bypasses the gateway setting anyway). (b) check whether SBS is set up to use a proxy and, if so, check whether the Gateway and DNS settings are correct on the proxy server [ignore this if SBS is not using a proxy server]. (c) if browsing works, check if the browser is using a proxy server because, if it is, SBS may need to do so, as well. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88698 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Connection reset by local host....
I've had this message when the 'Gateway' field in a router was not set correctly. What is probably happening is that the 'garden' SB cannot reach the internet because either: (a) the SB hasn't got a valid 'gateway' entry, or (b) the 'garden wifi router' hasn't got a valid gateway (it needs one if you have genuinely set it as a router and not a simple 'access point, AP') or (c) the main router is not giving a gateway field to the 'garden router' or, if it is on the same network segment, to the 'garden SB' (this is unlikely, actually, because the other SB seems to work ok) There are a variety of reasons why the gateway may be missing. Simplest solution would be to (1) configure the 'garden wifi router' as an 'AP, accesspoint' (this puts the garden SB onto the same segment as the other SB), AND (2) configure the 'garden SB' in the same manner as the main SB if they take 'DHCP', or configure it with fixed IP if your other SB is configured as fixed IP (give it a different IP but the same rest of the settings such as gateway, DNS, etc). If this has lost you, apologies, and just post back how you have set up the 'garden wifi router' and we'll take it from there. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88643 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help IP Address Problems
franklyfred;638599 Wrote: Everything seemed good. Turned everything off went to work squeezeboxes plugged in but off laptop off router on. Can home touch only had three items on the screen settings and two others when turned on forgot the other two. Unplugged the touch and plugged back in all menu items came up on the screen. Internet worked perfect. Turned on Radio tried to get some music and internet radio to work, streamed for a few seconds and that was it.Radio really balky. Went thru the whole reboot setup again everything works fine except the radio balky doesn't want to play anything.Any more ideas? Fred Hmmm. Sorry to hear, f-fred, that things are still not right. What you describe could be more than a problem of double IPs; it may be that there is still some other problem - which may, perhaps, even have led to the double IP symptom in the first place. Fred, I'm not a squeezebox expert, I'm just reasonably comfortable with networking aspects; I only have receivers, but I do use them on wireless. We're going to need some more help from others, especially people better informed on Touch and on Radio. Since you repeated the start up sequence, I think we can make an assumption that the underlying IPs are ok - nothing has complained about duplicates. Problems lie elsewhere. I think there might be wifi problems, and I think another poster's suggestion of resetting the Radio might be needed. In general, I prefer not to do that because any 'personal' settings you have entered will be lost. But, if there aren't any personal settings, or you don't mind losing them, then restting the Radio might be a good move. If you hadn't said anything about the Touch, I would have immediately suspected the possibility of interference on WiFi. There may still be interference, affecting the Radio (and I want to ask about that in a moment), but that doesn't explain why the Touch indicated some strange - to you - status, but I can't deduce anything from that because I don't know what it should be showing in these states when your laptop is off, and just restarted, etc. Could someone else comment on what the Touch might be doing? Fred, could you recap exactly what your setup is, so that we can understand the service delivery? I think you have: Router, with ethernet and wifi Do you have any switches or hubs in the network, with other devices connected to them? Laptop, with ethernet(?), and running SBS server(?) Do you have any other computers or devices connected to the router? Touch, connected to the router via ethernet Radio, connected via wifi How far is the Radio from the router? What are any intervening walls, floors, constructed with? What does the SBS system say that the received signal strength on the Radio is? What are the working states that you have, for example: Can the laptop reach internet ok? Can it do so when Touch is switched on? Can it do so when Touch and Radio are switched on? When only laptop and Touch are on, can Touch play from my music? When only laptop and Touch are on, can Touch play from mysqueezebox.com? Now, thinking about the possible wifi interference that might lie behind the Radio problems, what you describe is consistent with a new, recent, source of interference, such as a neighbour wifi signal, or even a new domestic equipment, creating some interference. Have you installed a new microwave, for example, or anything, somewhere near the Radio? Thinking about the wireless activity in the area, is the router or Radio within, say, 50 metres of any other premises (above, below, sideways, whatever)? If not, then wifi interference is unlikely, and the problem will lie elsewhere. Does the laptop have wifi? Is it active and connected to anything, for example, to your router, or to another external wifi network (by accident, perhaps)? If your laptop is (normally) connected with ethernet, make sure that the wifi system on the laptop is switched OFF, and redo the setup, and see if the problems go away. Are you using Bluetooth on the laptop? How many cell phones are there near the radio, that have bluetooth active? Does the problem go away if the cell phones are switched off? Fred, sorry not to be able to conjure an instant solution, but some extra circumstantial info will help us solve it. I'm sorry it seems such a lot of questions, but there are a number of possible causes of which we'll be able to rule some out. And I do hope that folks knowledgeable about the Touch and Radio systems can chime in, here. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help IP Address Problems
Almost there, then. The radio - for some reason - is still using the same IP as something else. So, here's what to do. Basically, repeat but this time plug the radio in first, so that it gets its IP and the router won't give that IP to something else. (Hopefully, unless there is a fixed IP somewhere, but we can come to that later.) Follow these steps. Turn everything off, including your laptop or any other computers you have. Count to 100. Turn on the router. Count to 100. Turn on the radio - plug it into ethernet or use wireless - whichever you are using. Count to 50. Ignore any sqwaks or complaints from the radio, for now. Turn on the laptop. Let it start up, wait till it settles then see if internet is working. If internet isn't working at this stage, stop, and post back, because we'll have to do more digging with the laptop etc. If internet does work, then switch on the other SQ devices, one by one, counting to 50 in between. Post back and let us know what happened. We'll get there, just hang in. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Domino radio (temporary one-week event)
Anybody know how to tune in to the Domino Radio event? The radio event is described here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jun/06/domino-radio-live and the Domino Radio site is here: http://www.dominorad.io/ On the site there is a 'play' button for the browser, which has this URL: http://www.dominorad.io/# but this link does not work in 'tune in URL' on the Internet Radio menus of the web UI. I am sure I don't understand radio streaming properly, but would be grateful for any suggestions for how to listen to this station through my squeezeboxes. Thanks for any advice, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88177 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Domino radio (temporary one-week event)
Well, no-one will be more surprised than me, but I managed to solve the problem. There are two feeds, one is ogg, the other is mp3. I couldn't see those from my browser, but I use Firefox and, using its 'view page source' facility, the Domino Radio player can be seen, in HTML, providing two streams: http://live.dominorad.io:8000/live.mp3 http://live.dominorad.io:8000/live.ogg Either of these can be entered into the 'Tune in URL' field in the SBS web UI, and will play. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88177 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Post Favorite Podcast URLs Here
Boeing's 777 is a very fine aircraft, and British Airways is, certainly, up with the best of the tier 1 carriers in terms of operations, training, and maintenance. Yet, a BA 777 crashed just short of the runway at Heathrow, BA's home base, in an accident that, despite hundreds of witnesses, crew statements, full access to flight recorders and systems data, and complete airframe, took several years of investigation and trials before it was fully understood. Travelling a fair bit in my work, and interested to understand in what had happened to go so wrong, I noted this reference in a professional avaiation forum: Peter Burkill was captain of British Airways Flight 38, a Boeing 777 with 152 aboard, when it suffered an uncommanded dual engine rollback and crashed short of the runway at Heathrow on January 17, 2008. This is what he experienced, in his words. website: http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_CaptainPeterBurkill_BritishAirways_HeathrowCrash_202246-1.html. Direct link to Podcast: http://www.avweb.com/podcast/files/2010-03-29_PeterBurkill-HeathrowCrashCaptain.mp3 I found his description compelling, and I hope that people find it so. Incidentally, somewhile after the accident, the captain left BA for a few months. He has since rejoined, as a 777 captain again. Though the AVweb site has a second podcast interviewing Peter after he left BA, its content - discussing mainly why he left - is not really relevant anymore since he has since returned. (The word around that time was that BA's chief exec personally had a hand in getting him back.) Hoping people find it of interest, regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88138 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How can I listen to my music in the garden?
howie.stone;625938 Wrote: Has anyone got any experience of/ recommendations for repeaters? I use the Edimax 7416APN 'range extender'. It has removable antennae, so you might be able to add, I think, an external antenna if you wanted to do so. In the box are a couple of screws to wall mount it. It has a plastic case, and a separate plug-top PSU, so is quite lightweight. It repeats a signal from a Linksys 'g' wireless AP. I run a couple of SBRs off it, in a very-solid-brick house where even the internal walls are solid brick, so I needed a repeater. I bought mine from Amazon but had to return it because it seemed to overheat and the wireless would 'just stop'. Amazon replaced it, and the replacement has worked well. There seem to be over 200 comments about it on Amazon, so maybe there's some reading to do :) regards Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How can I listen to my music in the garden?
howie.stone;625956 Wrote: Thanks. Is that with the BT infinity router? No. The unit sits on an internal wall picking up a wireless 'g' signal from a Linksys AP (access-point, like a router but without any 'routing' - apologies if you're already familiar with what an AP is) and repeating it into the two rooms where the wireless 'g' signal from the Linksys was too weak for the SBRs to work. I purchased this unit because I wasn't sure whether repeaters, generally, had to be the 'same manufacturer' as the main router or AP whose signal was being repeated. (Eg, BT, in your case.) Some of the comments on Amazon indicated that this Edimax unit would repeat any wireless 'g' signal, so I got it. It certainly repeats/extends the Linksys's signal ok. Perhaps there will be some comments about its use with BT Infinity since BT has such a large proportion of the BB market in UK. On a slightly different subject, have you grasped, ok, that there are two different suggestions for you on this thread? (i) Repeat the wireless signal from the BT Infinity - for example, by sticking the Edimax unit on a wall near a window looking into the garden (behind a curtain is fine, upstairs would be better than downstairs*). (ii) Don't repeat the signal at all. Instead, get an additional WiFi AP instead, installed at a suitable (upstairs - preferably*) window overlooking the garden - behind a curtain is fine, which you then connect using an ethernet cable to your BT Infinity. Set the new upstairs AP to use a different channel from the channel used by the BT Infinity. *Note: If you are in an urban area and your windows, or garden, are to some extent 'overlooked' by adjacent properties, you might be better off not putting your WiFi unit in an upstairs window, but in a downstairs window where its signal will contend with lower-strength signals from other properties. (Signal attenuation - eg from other properties - tends to be greater at lower heights.) regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BOOM to Spain
You've already had lots of advice, but I'll post this link in case other readers ask similar questions. http://users.telenet.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs It lists the plugs and sockets in most countries. Great for travellers going to new places. regards Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86521 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android Controller App
pippin;619880 Wrote: SBS 7.6 (the last non-onebrowser build) I wanted one of those, too. I can't find the message I had seen which said what that last version was - could you remind us what the version number is for 7.6 beta before 'onebrowser' was included? (Sorry for the thread drift) regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86487 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Marantz MCR603 and SBS
(very) new poster here, and may I first apologise if I have posted in the wrong forum? Happily running SBS (on linux) and a few SBRs, and am very impressed by the system. I was thinking of getting a Marantz MCR603 (looks quite good to me) [not permitted to post the link, but the device is on the Marantz site] and wondered whether it could be used as a player on my SBS? It has a network port, and is (definitely) DLNA certified but I cannot see from the downloaded manual whether it will 'only' work with DLNA systems or whether it could also work with SBS's ...stream.mp3 as an HTTP player. (I realise an SBR could drive it anyway, and probably very nicely since the MCR603 has an optical input.) As I understand it, SBS can act as a DLNA client, but not act as a DLNA server (though there is a DLNA 'intermediary' application - which works on Windows, but not Linux). Hence, I assume that this Marantz unit could only connect to SBS as an HTTP device using ...stream.mp3 Has anyone any experience of this unit? I'd be grateful for any opinions regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85808 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
MrSinatra;612640 Wrote: hi, can a net-udap expert here have a look at this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ...esp my last post and tell me what more my screenshot needs me to set properly in the SBR so it will PERMANENTLY remain reachable by the SBS? thx! Not an expert, but can share my experience setting up our SBRs. I have managed to use the Net UDAP tool on our Linux systems, though with some difficulty. I found that it is necessary to be very careful to always make sure that any changes to the config are both: (i) transmitted to the SBR, and, I think, (ii) some kind of save/reset command has to be issued. The procedure is on the NET UDAP webpage but I got confused a few times. I have the impression that just putting things into NET UDAP, isn't enough, an extra step is needed to make sure they are remembered in the SBR. And, to check, you must make sure that the tool tells you what is in the SBR, not what might still be in NET UDAP's memory; I'm not sure what I did to force NET UDAP to forget the settings and re-retrieve them from the SBR, but that was necessary before I could be sure the SBR was set up correctly. I did it again, after switching the SBR off and back on, as well. I did manage, from advice on the thread, and on the NET UDAP webpage. (I'll comment separately on your other thread, about an IP issue you could also be having.) regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BIG ANGRY BEEF, buggy upgrade install process, SBS/SBR
Can you check what your SBS IP address is? And, for good measure, check what the subnet mask is? Irrespective of that - which should be checked anyway - I don't like DHCP for servers because DHCP address assignments always have an expiry period. On some routers, this can be as little as 30 mins, though probably longer in your case. (Something you could check, if you wanted, on your router's setup pages.) Nevertheless, the address will expire sometime, and the server will ask for another. Two things happen at this point: (i) during this time, the SBS can not be seen by anything, nor can it see anything, and (ii) the router will assign an address. It might not be the same address, unless you are, genuinely, certain that you have forced the router to always assign that same address. For servers, my own preference is to use permanent/fixed IP addresses, to avoid either of those problems happening. (It also helps in case I ever need to set up specific routes/firewalls etc.) But, regardless if you want to do that, do check what the SBS IP address, and subnet, is at the moment, just to make sure. Not that I think it matters, but is your SBS on Linux or Windows? And have you a separate machine on which you could run Squeezeplay? regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BIG ANGRY BEEF, buggy upgrade install process, SBS/SBR
MrSinatra;612663 Wrote: if i make it static, what are all the net-udap fields that need settings? and can i set it to the .4 ip i reserved in the dhcp range? My suggestions would be: (a) Use an SBS address outside the router's DHCP range (and set the router's range, if necessary, to something sensible and limited), say 192.168.1.90, subnet 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.1.1, dns 192.168.1.1 You'll need to do that using the windows control panel etc. (b) use an SBR address also outside the router's DHCP range, say 192.168.1.91 (c) set the SBR fields: - lan_gateway 192.168.1.1 - lan_network_address 192.168.1.91 - subnet_mask 255.255.255.0 - primary dns 192.168.1.1 - secondary_dns 192.168.1.1 (or blank) - squeezecenter_address 192.168.1.90 By the way, your earlier remark, about the wifi channel number changing, is a sensible query. I am sorry to say I cannot think of anything to advise for that unless you can set your wifi AP/router to 'fix' the channel (that's what I have done, but it may not be a good idea if there is interference from other systems nearby). Let us know how you get on. regards, Atlantic -- Atlantic Atlantic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
