Re: [slim] Best of Luck - moving on...
damager;451631 Wrote: I'm now just looking for something to work, and work reliably both for me and my family. I still watch this site to see if there's something new to read about, but sadly gave up on Slim some time ago and moved to iTunes and digital out from a MacBook. Why? The Slim system is so clunky and too geeky. My family just won't use it because the controller is slow to respond and you have to do so much tidying up of the database to get it back in line with iTunes (and before you comment, iTunes is universally loved by my family, almost as much as Spotify) It was very disappointing to give up after several years, but user experience is such a big deal for me now, and whilst Slim is technically excellent, the feel is always too much like home built. I did look at Sonos too, but it wasn't for me either, to expensive fo rwhat it is and forever associated in my mind with Paris Hilton... -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67040 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Stop the bloatware madness!
pippin;327126 Wrote: Mine was built 1908 I'm in a newer house now, but my last was Victorian and had some very weird legal covenants on it, I couldn't turn it into a pub for example. Spoilsports. Mind you, my school was built in 1554. That's nearly 4pm. (Sadly a crazy guy burnt it down, but I do remember really worn stone steps.) My favourite old house was my late Dad's though, 16th century with 3ft thick stone walls. Bolt your speakers to that and they aren't moving anytime soon. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50698 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bad experience upgrading to SC7 (pops and cracks and pause)
vincoz;319996 Wrote: Again, any help apreciated! I suffered from pauses and very slow response times when I upgraded, eventually solved by using a MacBook Pro as a server instead of my old PowerMac, but even so it still pauses about 5 seconds into tracks occasionally. Do you have any faster hardware you could try the server on? As well as being a file size issue, it could also be a processing one. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49431 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Last.fm. Why do they allow Logitech to use their service with no ads?
BigTony;323006 Wrote: I have a last.fm account, i've set up the plugin and everything works ok, except i can't listen! There is no last.fm icon for me to connect to. Did i miss something? You need to connect to SqueezeNetwork and then it appears in the music services. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Could this replace the Controller scroll wheel?
http://www.kannuu.com/ Try the demo, finding music is much, much faster. Perhaps Logitech should license it for the next gen Controller and ditch the scroll wheel for some more substantial buttons? It would reduce component costs and feel a lot better IMO. All the other menus can be handled with the keys that would be part of this search system. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48545 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Could this replace the Controller scroll wheel?
wolfzell;308930 Wrote: Browsing through the album art of my collection with a sensitive control over the browsing speed is an important feature for me. Me too, but the scroll wheel doesn't seem to do this very well, certainly not as well as the iPod interface which is a lot smoother. The scroll wheel is hopeless for search, choosing letters is painful, so perhaps a combination of the two is required? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48545 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Could this replace the Controller scroll wheel?
Skunk;309022 Wrote: They don't mention how you find Zoot Allures though. Wouldn't the trick be to scan the names in the library and produce a look-up table to quickly find the alternatives at each step, a bit like a sat-nav system does. Then any name is allowed, not just non-Zappa spelling. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48545 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple Subscription Service!
smc2911;281688 Wrote: (In the sense that the older generation, like me, may not embrace it, but the younger generations will think it's normal and will be unable to understand our obsession with the physical artefact). My take on it is that when record companies killed off singles to try to force kids to buy the more profitable CD albums instead, Apple and others stepped in with downloads, and now as that generation grows up all they want to do is buy all their media that way. It's transient to them, not something to own. They want the instant fix from getting the music then and there, not from taking the trip to the record store to spend time flicking through album covers. In a way it's more pure, it's all about the music, not the packaging. On top of that, many artists now make more money from touring, not CD sales, so something that makes it even cheaper to distribute will catch on fast. My kids use iTunes to download music and have never hankered after CDs. They don't have elaborate HiFi systems after all, but instead have iPods. We have a generation growing up who have never bought CDs and never will. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45000 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter issues
Maxwell;280419 Wrote: I just recently upgraded from SlimServer to SqueezeCenter 7.0 and it has been nothing but problems for me. I am running OSX 10.4.11 and my Squeezebox was connected to my music library just fine before the upgrade. I'm on 10.3.9 and got it running some months ago with the nightlies. The only thing I seem to remember needed doing was making sure that the SB itself had the latest firmware, so have you performed an update of the Squeezebox firmware as well so everything is up to date? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44848 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] squeezecenter - dissapointing
EnochLight;277713 Wrote: Be that as it may, SqueezeCenter is leaps and bounds *FASTER* than the old SlimServer... Not for me :-( I have been using a PowerMac G4 since forever as my server and the interface was slow, but vaguely usable. All other web pages are snappy and render quickly. With SqueezeCenter, it's completely unusable, taking over a minute to load the initial screen, on Firefox or Safari. As soon as I run any other app, music starts to drop out. My guess is that the SqueezeCenter/Browser combination uses more memory than previous versions, especially when rendering the new interface. If you are on older hardware with a smaller RAM footprint, then a lot more swapping goes on. The only way I can use it now is if I ensure that no other apps are running (apart from system apps), but even then the web interface is still painful in the extreme. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44503 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Duet review on CNET
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-media-receivers/logitech-squeezebox-duet/4505-6739_7-32815168.html?tag=sub Very positive in the main and followed with some good feedback from potential customers. Of course the first respondent who gives a lower review of 6/10 neglects to mention he's a moderator on Sonos forums... -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44263 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet reviews posted at pcmag and cnet
ModelCitizen;275883 Wrote: He's got to be a Sonos stooge. It's his one and only post to cnet. What is annoying is that you cannot leave a comment on the biased and factually incorrect review. He's a moderator on one of the Sonos forums, but forgot to mention that in the review. Careless of him really. Still, that kind of behaviour tends to come back and bite you sometime. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44232 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] AppleTV and SlimServer/SqueezeCenter
willyhoops;259078 Wrote: I am blown away - I think I have seen the future and I am bit gutted that it's apple. I was actually disappointed. The movie rental side is great, but you still need to buy a TV even if you just want an audio player, so for audio fans like me the total cost is way higher. There were rumours of there being a new model with a built-in display, which really would have been cool. The killer blow though is the links to all the major studios for movie rental. That makes it a must have for people who use rental stores a lot. On the pricing side though, I think it reflects the mass market nature of the product. Although Logitech might have mass market aims with the Duet, the pricing is still way too high for that, no matter how fair we might think it is. So it's still in the region of carefully researched first time network audiophile players alongside the Sonos, not an impulse purchase like a DAB radio. At CES there seemed to be a lot more going on from the high end, this web site covered a ton of stuff, http://www.computeraudiophile.com/. Now that more high end players are entering the fray, I think Sonos has become the BO of network players, but I can't think of an equivalent for Slim! Perhaps NAD? Great sounding, but not quite high end? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42292 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Uh Oh
Dave Dewey;256798 Wrote: Microsoft ruins everything it touches. I'm not sure that's true, the networking aspects of the XBox 360 are the best there are in gaming land, so they do get it right with consumers sometimes and their dev tools beat everyone else's for usability most times. Don't judge them just by Windows -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42018 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet videos
pichonCalavera;256281 Wrote: Here is another one: http://www.cnettv.com/9742-1_53-31879.html I would like a video of someone using the SBR one-handed. I found that I couldn't when scrolling through music, you needed to use a finger rather than your thumb to turn the wheel quickly. Also the wheel could do with some bumps on it to aid grip. That might change with the accelerated scrolling, but it's still not up there with an iPod touch for finding music. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41894 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
tamanaco;256374 Wrote: The only reason I might want a working speaker/speaker plug and support for streamed music in the Controller is to sample tracks from my library as build Dynamic Playlists. Shame it hasn't got a microphone for voice control, VoIP calling and so on. I was always very skeptical of voice commands untl I got a BlackBerry and found it was very effective when driving hands free. Given the input method for typing names, it would be especially useful for me to get to artists or albums quickly. And of course if decent enough, or if it had a jack for a better mic, you could do some simple room correction. For me, playing a sample is useful now and then, but I usually remember songs. However, a voice to echo commands and band names for people with restricted vision could be a good selling point. I wonder if there's space on the handset to store the samples to do text to voice? I still struggle to see it's value as a player though, iPods do it so much better - and cheaper. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
bpa;256385 Wrote: Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not enough CPU to do recognition and control. Call phones do it with much slower CPUs... -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
kdf;256425 Wrote: On 9-Jan-08, at 7:15 AM, CardinalFang wrote: bpa;256385 Wrote: Expansion port of the beta controller has an audio in but maybe not enough CPU to do recognition and control. Call phones do it with much slower CPUs... so you keep saying. and saying. -kdf And your point is? It's an area I know extremely well and has comparable hardware, e.g. ARM powered,etc. Most MP3 players are ARM powered too, as are a lot of SatNav units. Many run at comparable clock speeds to the controller, so it's fair to compare their capabilities. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
kdf;256501 Wrote: That we all got your point the first time. My apologies, I didn't realise we're not allowed to note that. Fair point made, and fair also to say we've heard it already. I still don't understand your sensitivity and why I've now got such a petulant reply. I was responding to a point that perhaps the CPU in the controller may not be able to do voice recognition. I used a similar device as a comparison to illustrate that it should be able to. It happens to be the same device I used before. So what? Should I use a Sonos remote instead for comparison? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
bpa;256499 Wrote: The current SBC is a first iteration of Jive h/w s/w and it has been a learning experience. For some of the developers, it seems to be their first serious experience of an ARM platform and are discovering which optimisations are worthwhile. As such, the system is not comparable to a mobile phone software platforms which has had many years of development and gone through many iterations. You'd be surprised! Given the pace of development, platforms change at an incredible rate, every six months is not unusual and libraries and components change at an equally astonishing rate at times as vendors move in and out of favour. Most devices are based on a limited number of RTOS and there are definite attempts to standardise on platforms, but it's also in the interests of platform providers to get customers to move onto the latest and greatest, so they don't last for that long. The previous company I was CTO of had an excellent RD team and they are now the 3D graphics team at ARM. We went into some heavy code optimisation and at times worked closely with ARM so that we could review future processor designs for multimedia capability. However the best results we got were from algorithmic changes, not processor tweaking. The ARM RVCT tool chain provides excellent code output, 40% faster than GNU at the time, so writing assembler wasn't worth the effort. In other words, just because it's an ARM processor didn't make that much difference in the end. A knowledge of embedded systems and system holistics was important though. Avoiding stalls due good caching behaviour and keeping as much as possible in SoC memory were all important, amongst other things, but the big wins were always by being smart in the algorithm and consuming less cycles on a much larger scale. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
thing-fish;256567 Wrote: Note that even though those were dealbreakers for the most part, it WAS fun to use the DS to control the music. It actually looked good and was quite operational, but only while it was a live connection. I've tried the PSP and smartphones and also suffered the same way. There's abit of a geeky wow factor at first and the graphics look good, but then the clunkiness started to really annoy me. The controller is by far the best way to date to control squeezeboxes to date, it's still frustrating at times and I think overengineered, but from spending some time discussing it, that seems to be the intent; to provide a platform for developers as much as a consumer product. Not the way I would have done it, I would have put a lot more focus on core features like library search, playlist composition and ultra-slick navigation and completely left out screensavers, clocks, accelerometers, DACs and other novelties, but hey, it's not my company :-) After spending some time considering it and a lot of the comments, I'm starting to realise that it's version 2.0 of the controller that is going to be the killer. This one is a learning curve and it'll only be after the software settles down, the longer term usability and hardware niggles emerge that it'll really be the mutts nuts. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41813 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
Paul Webster;255511 Wrote: I just left my Nokia 770 streaming - playing back through internal speaker. Most of the time it was close to the access point (so should be less battery use) but about 30 minutes was near the limit of its reception area. Result - about 1h50m streaming. It'll also depend on the bit rate of the music. Try using an iPod with Apple Lossless files and you'll see what I mean, although for slightly different reasons. In essence the RAM buffer empties much faster, so needs to be topped up by battery draining WiFi (in the case of the controller) or spinning up a disk (in the case of the iPod). Since most SB users have lossless or high bit rate libraries, this is going to be an issue for battery life. In cell phone land, which isn't probably that different, batteries are mostly drained by the RF (WiFi is particularly bad) and screen lighting, especially in low signal situations. One solution would be to to stick a big SD card in the controller, load it up with music when it's in the dock and charging, and stream from that with the WiFi turned off in a standalone music player mode. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
Skunk;255212 Wrote: I should have went back and re-read your post before responding because the form factor comments are relevant and not likely to change after beta. Honestly I didn't remember who's post he was talking about, and only meant to point out that it can't really be judged fairly yet. I have a feeling it's going to get a lot less clunky in the next couple weeks though, so please have the wife give it another try :-) I hope so, I will persevere, but I personally wish it had *less* features and aimed to do the task of controlling the SB family as cleanly as possible. In other words, I'd rather have the basics done really well, rather than extraneous future capable features. The motion sensors are a novelty that will become a pain (they always get triggered accidentally, I don't need a DAC in there, I already have 4 iPods around the house, not to mention the music capable phones. Strip them all out and give me a fast controller with fewer options in the menus and all the setup that belongs on the server interface removed. I certainlty don't need flickr, especially when the screen dims anyway after a minute, and 3 different clock types is really rather silly. Having said all that, no doubt I'll buy a receiver, if not another SB3 at some point. The other solutions never quite get the audio quality aspects right for me. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
Mitch Harding;255620 Wrote: Or one can always have the music transcoded to a lower bitrate for the SBC, since presumably it won't be used for audiophile-type listening anyway. Of course, you'd lose FF/RW, but that may be worth it. But you would still be streaming OTA, which drains the battery. Best to synchronise whilst in the cradle and avoid the issue completely. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
Paul_B;254895 Wrote: But at £220 that is too close to the selling price of an iPod Touch 16GB. I was on the beta programme and I must admit, this mirrors my thoughts. It's a potentially OK piece of kit, but at the suggested price, I would spring for the iTouch, it can even do VoIP calls now on top of having WiFi and an SDK for apps and the interface is much, much better than the new controller. OK, it's not a dedicated controller for the Squeezebox, so not a valid comparison perhaps, but given £300 to spend today, I would put it there, not on a Squeezebox controller. The scroll wheel on the beta controller is bad and the buttons are in the wrong places. It's big, has too many options and is frustrating to use. I'm also disappointed that the new receiver is lower spec than the old Squeezebox. I do feel slightly unfaithful for saying this though, I did get a controller as part of the beta programme, for which I am grateful for being given the chance, and perhaps it's living through that sometimes painful process that has tainted me, but my feeling right now is that the interface is still not good enough. It's clunky, unreliable and slow. My wife refuses to use it and has gone back to the old remote. I struggle on, but end up with the old remote most times - or sadly, using an Apple remote with Front Row on a MacBook Pro that is damn near silent. It obviously costs a lot more, but it is much more usable for me. Perhaps I should wait for product before further comment, but I feel it really needs to be a whole lot slicker - and I agree with the poster who said that the fact that it is full of unused, potentially exciting hardware is not a plus point. If I buy a phone and am told that it has great GPS, but I can't use it yet until I write some software for it, that doesn't make it a bargain. It maybe exciting for geeks, but for consumers it's a complete misfire. Gut reaction - a missed opportunity that won't steal many Sonos sales. The software isn't finished, it's still trying to appeal to the geeks and the new hardware should be better than the old, not good as was quoted elsewhere. Slim is meant to be the audiophile player vendor. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
mortslim;255059 Wrote: For the time being, you'll need to have at least one Controller to set up a Receiver. That's a limit of the current software. So presumably there's no way to set it up from the SlimCenter web interface? I would prefer all setup to be from the web interface and the controller simplified to being just for music playback. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
Skunk;255121 Wrote: It made me feel the opposite. I'd consider an honest evaluation to be one that at least waits for an official firmware release, and maybe even uses the actual hardware being sold. You can only be honest about what you have seen and held in your hands. The remote is being shown to engadget reporters and at CES, so I think it's fair to comment on how it is right now. It may change a huge amount between now and release (20 days?) and will surely improve over time, but that doesn't make any comments made right now dishonest. Guessing what it might be in the future would potentially be misleading, don't you think? And after all Slim have always told beta testers to be frank and honest in their appraisals, it would help no-one if it were pure fan boy nonsense. As I said in my post, I do feel slightly unfaithful making the comments after the generosity of Slim in sending me a controller, but I stick by them, the beta isn't as good as I hoped for. It is cheaper, faster and more functional than a Sonos and that may be good enough, but it isn't there yet for me. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
m1abrams;255122 Wrote: Trust me do a little DIY in the electronics world and you will begin to understand where the real cost is in making devices. The typical BOM for a smartphone is around $100 or less, most cost is in the LCD. For a feature phone, it drops to around $50-60. The key is volumes, much electronics ships in millions, phones in tens of millions. The Slim controller will ship in far lower volumes so the RD has to be recouped over a much smaller run. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The 'Duet' is here
autopilot;255120 Wrote: ... and it can be used one handed :) Funnily enough, that's what was said about cell phone pron... One other interesting thing is that Apple are due to release a revamped AppleTV. I was really disappointed with original model, I had thought it would be something special and almost bought one, but it needed a HDTV TV and had a hard disk you didn't need etc. The new one is due out this spring and is rumoured to have added a LCD screen and uses the same ultra-simple remote, the opposite to the Slim direction. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41805 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech being absolutely OTT ?!
TCM;219752 Wrote: Ok, that's enough! :-D Or as Gus Hedges would say I sense we may be straying down Tangent Boulevard here. (c.f. Drop the dead donkey) -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37308 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Ian_F;208136 Wrote: Logitech? Oh yeah. They make computer mice dont they? What do they know about making hi-fi equipment? I'll take 2 Streamiums instead. It won't help that the Sunday Times reviewed several players this weekend and declared the Sonos the best sounding, better than the SB3 according to their reviewer. The Streamium came last, but it is the cheapest by far. They also liked the AppleTV more than the Squeezebox http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/test_bench/article1903661.ece -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wife won't use it...
jacabo;195170 Wrote: do you all find yourself fighting against ingrained habits in your house? any tricks (or amusing stories)? I'm the only one in my house of four that uses the SB. It was explained to me that it's not really one thing or another and everyone else uses iTunes instead for music. What they mean is that it isn't as dead simple as a TV, but neither does it have a keyboard and big screen so that it's easy to search for music, so it ends up being a disappointment on both counts. Also, they love video as much as audio, which I do too - I'd love to have my Manga on line as easily as my music. I did try convincing them that it really isn't that hard, but compared to the rich GUI on a PC, the SB remote is a very poor second choice. Neither do they care much for the best possible sound, my daughters are too busy dancing around the room. My wife just likes to listen to music while she cooks or reads the paper. I'm the only one with any serious musical leaning. Perhaps I should make a note and start enjoying the music instead of trying to sell them on the higher audio quality of the SB... -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34495 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I hear squeezebox through my tv when amp is off
My guess would be that the JVC amp doesn't isolate the signals electrically when they are not selected. My Copland amp for example has relays that completely isolate input and output signals when the amp is switched off or when different inputs are selected. So it seems there is leakage of the SB output into the TV input within the amp since they will all connect to the pre amp stage in the JVC amp at some point. The output from the TV is also probably taken from a pre-amp stage in the TV audio circuits (guessing again!) so SB signal coming in from the amp via the TV audio out also gets amplified along with the TV audio in the power amp stages. That's my theory in any case. I used to get similar effects on my old amp and the only solution was to turn off all the audio input devices when they are not being used - or upgrade to an amp that isolates inputs fully. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34152 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter price rise in UK?
ModelCitizen;191939 Wrote: Better get ten quick. MC If it's true, perhaps it's a reaction to not being expensive enough for true hifi buffs? :-) -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34074 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Branding
Kyle;191068 Wrote: I'm afraid the itunes download represents the death knell of popular music as we have known it. Music will no longer be produced and sold by the album. Instead, only hits will be made for individual download. No one will be willing to pay for an entire album and get songs they may or may not like. In my experience, most albums have a song or two I don't like, and yet one of the great joys of music is discovering fantastic songs on albums that you never would have known had you just purchased the hits. Apple have implemented a new button called Complete My Album that lets you buy the album at a discount if you have already bought some tracks from the album and you can always listen to snippets in advance. The problem is that many new artists release albums with only one or two decent tracks on them amongst obvious filler. That was true before the advent of iTunes and reflects the change in the industry that has ultimately led to musicians making their money from touring, not album sales. I will hold my hand up and admit that for certain artists, I only want the hits, but there are certainly others for whom I want the whole album, especially world music. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33966 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple TV Competition?
bklaas;190970 Wrote: The thing that gets under my skin about Apple is they put things in a pretty package with a bow on it and all of a sudden everyone thinks they were the forerunners of that particular technology. Sure, they are design and marketing gods, but most people with brains can see past that. But it's not any of that which keeps me away from Apple--it's the way they've used proprietary DRM to monopolize a market. AppleTV will have the same baggage. That's a capital offense, in my book. The best consumer products rarely break new ground with internals, they are dependant on using tried and trusted technology for cost and reliability reasons. Where Apple always score is usability - their stuff just works and is really nice to look at. Slim works well too, mostly, but the interface is obtuse and clunky in comparison if you are Joe User and not an audiophile geek. As for DRM, I have bought music from iTunes, but since I can also burn to CD, I could then re-rip the tunes and bypass the initial DRM. As it happens I only buy iTunes music for my iPod, not my stereo, so it's not really an issue and I don't bother. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31559 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I'm about to go Non Green thank to SlimDevices
MrSinatra;186523 Wrote: OT: can someone point me to the solar data that was mentioned earlier? With apologies for continuing to be off-topic, but it'll be my only post. There was a TV programme on in the UK last night that discussed this whole topic - here's a very quick summary of some of the comments - again their comments not mine, so not flaming please! CO2 levels apparently lag rising temperatures by about 800 years, the time it takes for the seas to warm up and release more into the atmosphere (the sea is the largest source of CO2 by far apparently) - Al Gore misrepresented this data on his film according to some. Volcanoes are the next biggest emitter of CO2, cars and planes are way down the list. There is no proven connection showing CO2 levels leading temperature rises, there *is* a closer connection between Sun spot activity and temperature rises. More sun spots, higher temperatures - and this has been measured for centuries by observers. It has been a lot warmer and colder than this in the past - ice records show this and we've been warming up for decades already, long before the level of industrialisation in China and India contributed anything. England was hotter than now and covered in vineyards in medieval times, and the Thames occasionally froze over a few centuries later. Europe was covered in jungle for a long time too. You stand a lot more chance of obtaining funding as a scientist if you are pro global warming than against it. Can't vouch for that, but it makes sense in a perverse way, scientific endevear is closely tied to funding nowadays - and getting published seems to need more and more outlandish claims. Saying everything is normal doesn't cut it. OK, sorry for being OT, but for those of you interested, the programme was called something like the Global Warming Swindle. It's always good to get a balanced view of all the arguments. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33324 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Fat Gooey for Slim Server
barrygordon;179029 Wrote: The only major issues reported are a failure when slim server is not running on a Windows system (I feel this is a Slim Server issue as it crashes with certain CLI sequences) and an issue with displaying diacritical marks in UTF-8 Feedback appreciated. I built a Java interface to SlimServer and had crashes on my Mac system during the CLI albums command. I fixed it by updating the Perl Encode module using CPAN, the fix was somewhere else on this site, so I can't claim to have found the solution myself :-) You might try this: Open a terminal and then type: - sudo cpan force install Encode - You may be asked for a password, also I found that my default installation didn't have make set up. If you get errors during the build of the type --- NOT OK-, then type -o conf- at the cpan prompt. If make isn't defined, try typing the following: - o conf make /usr/bin/make - and try running the install again. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32414 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How would you like to select which music to play ?
I have been building over the past few evenings a Java application to control my SB via CLI with the server to try out my assumption that a Java interface to SLimServer is practical and nicer to use. So far I can control my player and change track, look through the playlist and artists and jump around based on clicking on the playlist. I'm currently adding the ability to look up albums and artists to select music to add to the playlist, adding the ability to change player and set server (it's currently hardcoded) and then I'll smarten it up a bit. Even in its hacky, early state, it is far more responsive and nicer to use that the SlimServer interface, so I can definitely recommend this as a way to go. I'm not sure what I'll do with the code in the end - it is a hack, so I am slightly embarassed about the code, but but equally I'd be happy to pass it on when I get bored of hacking :-) Anyone know how to get album art through CLI? +---+ |Filename: screenshot.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2343| +---+ -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PC + SB3 + Wireless Speakers - possible?
juniper;176986 Wrote: My PC is in Room 1. My new (fantastic) SB3 is in Room 2. It is linked to my old stereo amplifier and speakers (also in room 2) and I am happy with the sound. I would also like to listen to whatever when I am working in the kitchen. How can my SB3 communicate with speakers in the Kitchen - room 3 or somewhere else room 4? I do not want to drag the SB3 + amplifier and speakers around the house every time I want to listen to whatever in a different room. It's a different type of wireless to what you are perhaps thinking, the SB uses 802.11g WiFi to communicate with the server, wireless speaker or headphones use other standards, like Bluetooth. Why not get yourself a pair of wireless headphones, in fact I believe LogiTech do some that probably have enough range for you. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32379 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
cliveb;175648 Wrote: Come to think of it, if that screen were touch-sensitive, you could then just tap the album you want played. That would be seriously cool - but stupidly expensive. You could do something similar using a web tablet and an interface a bit like the iTunes 3D cover art browsing modes. You can spot albums by art far faster when scanning and it also really does prompt listening to old albums far more than reading a list. I much prefer to pick music this way and I wish you could do it in Slim. I also like to pick music based on my mood, so for example I'll often pick a playlist that has acoustic guitar music on after work, or sometimes one with funk on it at the weekend. It's a little more finely defined than genre (RB, World etc.) and my own playlists that I have created in iTunes. It would be nice to be able to have additional tags or data that gave some feel for tempo or mood of tracks. I guess products like mood logic do this, but I have never tried them. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Converting to Apple Lossless
thesil;175705 Wrote: I would like to convert some of my music files in iTunes that are still Mp3, to Apple lossless. I converted a file or 2 and noticed that the original song was still in iTunes. Is this normal? I am concerned that if I select all to convert, then I will have thousands of duplicates. Any suggestions? thanks in advance It would be better to re-rip them, you aren't gaining anything by converting them from MP3 to Apple Lossless otherwise, just gaining file size. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How would you like to select which music to play ?
Apple's media player interface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4itNWe27d38eurl= Sadly you need a HD TV, but it's pretty slick nonetheless. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
Victor;174807 Wrote: Then why do you feel the need to pontificate, discuss, and argue on topics you clearly know nothing about? Well, to be completely honest, we all do that! It's only by doing so that we get corrected and learn from the experience. The Slim fora can get very hostile to any poster who is off-message, i.e. if you don't think Slim is the best thing since sliced bread etc., whereas the reality is that it isn't perfect and the best way to make it better is to examine its shortcomings and listen to users, no matter how uncomfortable that may be and how much you'd like to ignore them (or smack them round the face) It's the part of product development that is the most rewarding yet the most frustrating - the end customer. Why aren't they happy, I love the product, so why don't they? Are they dumb, can't they see the brilliance of the design? Why are they complaining just because they laid down X dollars for a device, what rights do they think they honestly have? eh?!!! The truth is that the Slim system hasn't actually advanced that much over the years compared to other technology. It is still essentially a back end server with a thin client playing audio. True it's pretty damn fine audio, but the SLIMP did that years ago, why does the user interface still feel clunky compared to where the market is? In the meantime we have had HD TV, HD-projectors, Blue-Ray, iPhones, AppleTV, XBox-360 and all manner of devices rasing the media bar, so people's expectations have risen too. The SB box has evolved to the Transporter, so we have a better DAC, but the experience hasn't entirely evolved with it. It still needs end users to assemble a bunch of software to rip and serve music, whilst companies like Sonos appear to have claimed the high-end in the perception of the reviewers. Sure it's cool to be the true audiophile product, but it sure stings when others like Olive, Sonos and Sooloos are presented as the true high end because they are more slick. SlimServer needs to stop evolving from open source collective approach and be taken by the scruff of the neck and shown some real UI design, establish true use case, build in affordance and become a typical-user product whereby user manuals and fora are redundant. If you have to read the manual or ask a question on a newsgroup, the developers have failed. If you don't believe this, then you have't understood consumer software development because supporting consumers costs money - it is to be avoided at all costs. BTW, the device driver concept is ultimately flawed, it doesn't move forwards usability one iota, it's another bit of technology that doesn't improve the product per-se, just complicates it further. The end game is audio quality and access to music as easily and obviously as possible. If the idea doesn't contribute to that, ditch it. Support for iTunes would be smart, however much it hurts the open source mentality, it here to stay, so being the best network player can become a viable existance. If it needs a device driver to do that, then fine, but it shouldn't be an aim in its own right. Think about what you are trying to achieve, not the technology, technology is a means to an end. Rant over! -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31324 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
(1) A faster, slicker UI. This can be made cross platform using Java or any number of porting technologies out there. This is the biggest downside to the product, it is so clunky and unappealing. If there was a decent remote it wouldn't be so bad, which brings us on to... (2) A better remote - Sonos-like if possible, my eyes aren't what they were and squinting at the SB screen just doesn't work anymore! (3) A transporter without all the knobs and whistles. Cut out the displays, knobs and extraneous metalwork and put it in a simple well-built case. Supply it with a good remote with display and that would be a far preferable solution for me. Oh, and then you could bring the price down too. (4) The ability to rip CDs within the software package. There's nothing worse when telling people about SLim than when you have to explain the collection of software and settings that are required to get the library together. The more technical users may enjoy the challenge, many music lovers won't. I think we also need to leave our tech hats at home once in a while too. I have been working on consumer products for some time now and I think the dismissive attitudes that sometimes appear regarding iTunes and other consumer orientated products are very misplaced. I believe over 30 million iPods have shipped and many, many more copies of iTunes. There is something to learn there. It's also tempting to try to keep something you have found to a small community, like when you discover a new band, and the old ways are clung on to and anything remotely commercially orientated is rallied against. Let's not get bent too far out of shape when they want to change to make it big. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31324 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple TV Competition?
rfrost;172303 Wrote: Remember that with AppleTV, you still need a DVD drive and some way to control that, and good luck trying to install any codecs on it that are not blessed by Steve. AFAIK, you can plug USB devices into the new Apple Airport, essentially making it a 802.11n NAS box. Not sure if a DVD drive would work, but you can certainly plug in USB drives to act as your music server. I agree Apple is a closed shop, but I must admit that it doesn't bother me after having used many pieces of their software over the years as well as Open Source packages. If it works, then it's fine by me. The Open Source nature of SB is attractive, but to most people that just means free. The proprietary nature of Apple solutions simply doesn't bother the mass market - hence the rise of the iPod. I don't think too many people who have Slim boxes will change to Apple, owning a SB involves so much commitment to make it work that you are reluctant to give up on that investment, especially if you have used FLAC. I'm thinking about it because I use Apple Lossless, but I need to hear the AppleTV first through my DAC. It's much more likely that someone new to the market will look at all the options and go for the recognised brand, especially if they think it's an iPod for the home. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31559 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple TV Competition?
Nostromo;172100 Wrote: Jack of all trades, master of none. But they aren't different trades, it's all playback of media via codecs. Adding some video circuitry shouldn't alter audio playback as long as PSUs and other critical circuits are adequate. iPods were sometimes used at HiFi shows as music sources, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the AppleTV yet. On the other hand, the sound quality of all MP3 players has been noted to have fallen off over the years as cheaper components have been substituted, the iPod Vn2 is reckoned to be the best sounding (I still have mine, although battery life is short). We'll find out soon enough, they ship in a couple of weeks. I'm very interested in one fed into a DAC, iTunes is far more family friendly than Slimserver and all they have to do is build something with reasonably low jitter. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31559 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple TV Competition?
sc53;171532 Wrote: You mention the Dell 17--Would any LCD computer monitor work, or does it need HDMI in? It's not straightforward to convert from HDMI to RGB - there aren't aren't any converter cables that I'm aware of and you usually need a converter unit that adjusts for the differnt frequencies and signal types. It would probably be cheaper to get a small HD TV like one of the Sharp Aquos 15 ones on Amazon. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31559 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] ijigg - music discovery
like digg, but for music. http://www.ijigg.com/ There seems ot be a lot of rap/hip-hop, but I haven't explored thelists that deeply. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31800 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: New Bufallo Media NAS
gbruzzo;171150 Wrote: It has a Marvell Media processor: Anyone familiar with it? Marvell acquired the Intel XScale technology last year, so it's likely to be one of those. They implement the ARM instruction set, but are internally different and were commonly used in PDAs and one or two high end phones. So it won't be stunningly fast, but is low power. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31756 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
adamslim;170056 Wrote: I think the Apple and Slim customers are very different: Apple - like convenience, not hackers, not interested in the utmost quality Slim - willing to spend a bit of effort to get the product how they like it; recognise that it is better quality but a bit more effort. Aren't you making a very big assumption that the AppleTV won't sound good? It has a digital output, so I would say that plugged into the same DAC as a SB, most of us would be hard pushed to tell the difference. Plus, it is far more convenient to use for most people. Apart from that, I don't hear too many people complaining about the sound quality of their iPods - they are used at HiFi shows for example as music sources. Why would the AppleTV be inferior? It might be, but it's not a safe assumption at this stage. Logitech didn't acquire Slim to let them carry out catering to the technically minded, they'll want to move into the same market that Apple addresses. The AppleTV addresses the larger market far better than Slim or Sonus at this stage. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
EnochLight;169981 Wrote: Wow - do you really think so? I mean, I respect your experience here and abroad but I wonder if AppleTV and the Squeezebox even compete for the same customers? To me, AppleTV is just Apple's version of, say, a Media Extender box for Windows MCE. If I need to have a screen hooked up to it just to access my music library... nah - I personally think that AppleTV will compete for space inside of people's TV-rooms and entertainment centers, not their stereos... I dunno, AppleTV may take *some* customers, but wipe out a chunk of their sales? If I take a look at the photo of your set-up thread in the audiophiles forum, I see a lot of TVs in the systems, so I think many of us are potential Apple customers. I think the way to consider this is rather than I need to get a TV to play my music - bummer and instead I can use my TV to play my music - cool. How many people out there fall into which camp? I was dead set against a TV in my music room. Guess what, I have a TV tuner for a laptop now and watch DVDs all the time using my music system - and I still play music. The usuability shortcomings of the Slim software and the small screen of the SB make it my domain only, my family won't use it. That's nice in some ways, but wrong in others. The problem as I see it is that we all (me included) get very definesive about our choices. I defend the SB when my family say it's clunky, rather than admit the truth. It is clunky compared to where the market has gone. Sure it sounds that much better than other systems and the latest iTunes just won't run that well on wireless networks, but if my SB had the same kind of usability as iTunes, I'd be sold forever. Right now, my finger is hovering over the buy button for the AppleTV, which is a shame because I invested a lot of time in my SB (it's modded with new PSU and case). I think we all got complacent about the SB because it sounded so good and perhaps dismissed the other market issues too quickly. It now has a competitor that costs the same for more features and components and is a whole lot slicker. If the AppleTV sounds as good as the SB through my DAC, it's game over for me. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
NauticusLX;170046 Wrote: I imagine the N800 replacing my regular radio/alarm clock, while I slumber off with Cafe Cody (Myorca, Spain) lulling me to sleep. Is this possible? This may be what you want - it's a media player for the 770/800 thatdoes Internet radio as well as local media: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7980185689.html Also the app is UPnP compliant, so can play music off NAS devices that are also compliant with UPnP. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
Jack Coates;170208 Wrote: Ah, Henny Penny, said Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king. I sincerely hope the Slim team don't adopt that ostrich-like approach. Whether it turns out to be a threat or not, when the 800 pound gorilla comes stomping into your market, you'd best take notice. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
Jack Coates;170256 Wrote: OI'm just remembering the predictions of doom which have followed every single entrance into this market by every single large consumer electronics producer (doubled whenever it's Apple, even if the product doesn't actually compete). And yet, doom has failed to occur. Maybe you're right and this is the one which will finally do it, but right now I'm feeling good about mocking the doom-saying. Why should it be doom? I know I'll never convince any diehard Slim owner to change their view. Most have invested a great deal of time and effort into the product and would never let go, but there are people like me who find the product equally enjoyable and frustrating and are more open minded to change. I sincerely hope this is the kick that gets Slim to rethink a product that has effectively remained static for a number of years. Apart from the transporter, it's been evolutionary improvements and tweaks and not big jumps to outrun competitors. The weak point has always been usability and the geekiness of the product, but Sonos and others have never really shaken the fan base. The entrance of Apple may perhaps spur Slim on to creating something truly a step ahead of the competition and one more suitable for the larger market. As I said, my next purchase is more likely to be Apple instead of Slim just based on value for money and usability if the sound quality is equivalent or better. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
Peter;169578 Wrote: That's totally different in Europe and probably anywhere outside the US. I just buy a phone and use it with whatever operator I like. I don't buy games and not from my operator either. Many operators lock the phones to their networks and those that don't make you pay thought the SIM. Smartphones are the minority and don't represent the mass market. In any case, as I mentioned, there won't be any 3rd party apps for the iPhone - Apple have now confirmed that: http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=16926pagtype=allchandate -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: web ui poll
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31443 Question: How do you control the Slimserver? - Stock Handheld Remote - 3rd Party Remote (Harmony, Nokia, PDA, c) - Web Interface - 3rd Party Computer Interface (Moose, JRMC, c) The remote is OK, although only being able to see a limited number of entries is a pain when doing a search, being ably to rapidly pick from a list is easier if you can see all of the list, or at least more of it than one entry - you don't know if your search was correct otherwise. Becuase it is a slim device, response time can make stepping through lists irrititating, it's not that it's slow, it's that it's uneven and therefore hard to predict when to stop clicking. I wish the SB would cache more so that scrolling happened at a fixed rate instead of going back to the server each time. The web interface is good for set-up, but bad for music selection. There are just too many clicks to play some music and the affordance is poor - it really isn't obvious what you do to play all the tracks from an album for example. Does clicking the first song do it, or do I click the album name? In any case all the niggles are dwarfed by the slow update. It's very similar to the setup screen for my ADSL router, but I only do that very occasionally. Having that same response time and clunky interface is really poor for a consumer music player. I want snappy and simple, no tiny buttons, but big obviopus ones. No extraneous data and information, just the basics. Just because you can display all the options on one page, that doesn't mean you should. A great example is the default start page. I have two panels, one labeled home, the other the name of my music player. Everything I could possibly want to do is on those two panels, but why not just the common operations? Why all the clutter - and it is clutter. Just how do I play a album from the start page? It's what I immediately want to do, but I have to work out that I first have to search or browse to find the music first, rather than seeing a list of music straightaway that lets me click straightaway on a track and play it. Even when I find a track I have to know to hover over a tiny symbol to find out what it does - and what's a playlist if I'm joe user? No obvious method on how to create and manage one in the UI. When I do click on browse, there's too many albums listed on each page and not enough room for obvious functionality. Sure I can change that, but the defaults are too, too confusing. Of course people will say once you get used to it it's really powerful and it's for technically minded people , but that really is an cop-out for not thinking about use case in the design and carrying out usability testing and high quality UI design work. It's great that it exists, but as a consumer product it is Byzantine in operation, far too complex and unresponsive. OK, rant over! -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31443 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
CCRDude;168983 Wrote: I watched the updates on engadget yesterday getting updated and updated and updated... I assume we speak about this here? http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone Where exactly does it tell about batteries or memory extensions? Except in dozens of contradicting user comments? From Time Magazine: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1575410-2,00.html You can't download songs directly onto it from the iTunes store, you have to export them from a computer. And even though it's got WiFi and Bluetooth on it, you can't sync iPhone with a computer wirelessly. And there should be games on it. And you're required to use it as a phoneyou can't use it without signing up for cellular service. Boo. From Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/ And the reality slowly sets in about what the iPhone is and is not. Noted analyst and Engadget pal Michael Gartenberg stated that the iPhone is first party software ONLY -- i.e. not a smartphone by conventional terms, being that a smartphone is a platform device that allows software to be installed. That means hungry power-users -- you know, those people ready and willing to plunk down $600 for an 8GB musicphone -- won't be able to extend the functionality of their phone any more than Apple (but thankfully not Cingular) dictates. Other unfortunate realities about the device: * No 3G. We know you know, but still, it hurts man. * No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine. * No expandable memory. * No removable battery. * No Exchange or Office support. CCRDude;168983 Wrote: Interesting... am I doing something illegal then? We've developed a cellphone application that downloads updated from the Internet (for both Symbian and Windows CE/Mobile). I'm pretty sure Vodafone (the one I use for testing) hasn't approved, and I'm even more sure I don't pay them a cut of it. And this application has been tested with dozens of other providers by our users. What you have produced is a downloadable app for open systems on Smartphones that can open a HTTP link to get more data, which is a tiny market compared to the rest of the cellphones out there that run Java and Brew and where often you can't do that, or if you can via web portals, it's such a tiny market that it's not worth it. Also, in case you haven't yet felt it, Smartphone software gets ripped off and appears on web pages within hours if it's any good. It's not illegal, but it's not much of a business either :-( I was CTO of one of the leading mobile gaming publishers and technology developers - pm me if you want the details - and we produced games for Vodafone and Verizon for the launch of their 3G services and created top selling games for Disney, Sony and others on all of the US majors. For the *vast majority* of handsets, ie. the mass market ones that sell in the millions, you have to sell the applications through the operator portals using their billing and provisioning systems and only after it has gained their approval. You can go off deck, but you won't sell anything. It also gets placed on decks according to rules laid down by those operators and that's highly influenced by branding, marketing budgets and well, who you are. It's clear that Apple and Cingular will control the market for applications to recoup the money invested. It isn't a Smartphone in the true sense as a result and it will be 1st party or the big boys apps only. It's a native development environment and rogue apps from geeks are an issue. Can you do that right now for the iPod, or do games come from approved parties? And I mean real business, not the odd hacked version of Doom. Where the open market for games and apps on the iPod? The same will apply for the iPhone or whatever tey call it after the dust settles. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
MelonMonkey;169291 Wrote: Wow, so much steam and blather in this thread and no one has mentioned the only thing that's relevant to Slim/Squeezebox? steam and blather - nice. Sorry if we stopped being slim fanboys for a moment and decided to have a discussion about another music device. The only thing that's really relevant to Slim is that AppleTV will wipe out a chunk of their sales - and the only thing that the iPhone will ever control is the AppleTV. It sure was a smart move selling out to Logitech... -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
Craig, James (IT);168914 Wrote: It does have wi-fi It does, but it's not possible to download media except by a connection to a Mac/PC. The WiFi seems to be solely for web browsing, although the problem with WiFi outside the home is the lack of roaming agreements between WiFi providers. It's nice and does really mark a big step forward for cellphone UIs, but it is expensive and the true cost isn't known yet as the monthly data rate has't been announced yet. Plus you can't use it without the cell phone part, so even after the two years is up, you have to have a cellular agreement. No replaceable batteries, no memory expansion, no games or 3rd party applications, it's a closed system for Apple and friends only so far, perhaps they'll change that, but who knows? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
CCRDude;168956 Wrote: Widgets (as shown) obviously need the ability to communicate online, how else could the Weather app show its data? And the Google Maps app... would you call that web browsing? Looked like a dedicated app. And then, it's MacOSX. I specifically said media, as in music, video and the apps you mention are from partners. CCRDude;168956 Wrote: I've read a bunch of sites quoting the Keynote, and watched it myself. Didn't hear or read that anywhere. Time magazine, engadget, gizmodo CCRDude;168956 Wrote: Who said that? Can't really tell from the Keynote pictures imho. Time magazine, engadget, gizmodo CCRDude;168956 Wrote: Who said that? Can't really tell from the Keynote pictures imho. Time magazine, engadget, gizmodo CCRDude;168956 Wrote: So the widgets shown during the keynote are not third-party, and you think that they'll contrary to widgets on the other MacOSX, they'll limit the number of widgets that can be run? Just take a look on how well Apple supported software developers over the past 20+ years. Widgets are Java based, games in general are native code or on mobile devices are sometimes J2ME based. OS/X has J2SE. The view from the street is that it's a closed system to keep Cingular happy. I'm in the cell phone business and know the market extremely well CCRDude;168956 Wrote: And I always thought that MacOSX is based on BSD... that you could even download the Darwin part... might be the GUI is closed source, but since its MacOSX, widgets are already well documented and for the rest... do you expect Apple to change MacOSX radically to make all the existing documentation void, just after they announced they took MacOSX to NOT develop something new? Cellular networks do not allow downloading of any content, only operator-approved content that they get a cut of. Cingular are heavily subsidising the device and need to get a good return on their investment. It's a walled garden to a large extent for apps. CCRDude;168956 Wrote: I'm still sceptical whether typing text on the device would be fast enough for me, but there's one thing that's great: they actually cared about usage of the PHONE. Take a look at all those smartphones out there, and using it to call someone seems to be the most neglected part of the whole device. Agreed, usability is dire on most, if not all, handsets. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Stuttering
radphd;150788 Wrote: Using SB3 and Slimserver 6.5.0 with an Intel Mac with iTunes I get unlistenable stuttering when playing files ripped in aiff, apple lossless and AAC formats. With MP3 files this happens much less frequently. This makes no sense to me, but then I am new user and pretty ignorant technologically. Can anyone provide insight into what might be going on along with a fix? Thanks. I had the same problem for a while and found it was due to SlimServer re-scanning all the time because iTunes updates its database whenever someone uses it to play music (it updates how many times a track is played for example). Make sure that the iTunes page in server set-up has the re-scan when iTunes changes disabled and do it manually instead when you add new music. The other issue may well be wireless bandwidth - assuming you are runnign wireless of course. Are you running with a decent signal and speed - and is your router 802.11g (not just b)? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29183 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
P Floding;150197 Wrote: Is a browser interface not smart? How do you use iTunes on your server PC while sitting at your laptop in another room, or even on your PDA or Smartphone? Answer: You don't. Youy *are* able to play back all of the music on another PC connected to the same network and I believe there are remote control add-ons that allow you to control iTunes from another Mac, but I may be mistaken on that. In any case, Apple's play will be the iTV and their brand will win over many in the market - it's probably one of the reasons Slim decided to bulk up with LogiTech. A browser interface can be smart, but it's slow because the screen has to be refreshed and all data reloaded and re-interpreted. Ajax helps a bit, but as soon as you move from the page, you're back to a slow refresh. IMO it just looks and feels clunky compared to alternatives like iTunes and Sonos. A good Harmony control can fix this, spending more effort on the web interface won't. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Down to earth with a thud.......
CardinalFang;144026 Wrote: I use Apple lossless on my ancient PowerMac (500Mhz) and it runs fine, so have you checked that your iTunes and QuickTime are in sync? Have you tried upgrading to the latest version? That aside, do you have any other wireless devices or microwave ovens, DECT phones that might be causing a problem? Paul I just had another thought - I found that every time one of my daughters played a song on iTunes from a different computer, it updated the itunes database and so triggered a rescan of the library by SlimServer and that caused all sorts of stuttering. Try turning off the automatic rescanning on changes to the library. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Mitch Harding;149977 Wrote: I feel like if you're not willing to give Slim the benefit of the doubt here, you'll only be hurting yourself. It remains to be seen how all of this will turn out. The point to me is that we all know Slim and it has an certain reputation for high quality sound, but is a bit of a geeky product. LogiTech have another brand image, which is for PC products and some people have good experience of them. We're in the know and we can make wise choices. I bought my device after a lot of research and steered clear of PC solutions - I wanted an audiophile product from a dedicated HiFi specialist, not a global electronics giant with different criteria for success. Now if I'm an audiophile completely new to networked audio and walk into a store and see a LogiTech product and a Sonos product, I may think LogiTech do PC peripherals and PC sound is generally awful, so I think I'll take a look at this Sonos (or Sooloos) product, whoever they are. It may not be fair, but we are loaded with preconceptions about products based on brand and appearance. This often steers purchases towards the familiar and safe option. Slim built up a reputation, changing to LogiTech could throw that away. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Album name issues in 6.5.0
Has anyone got a workaround for albums with the same names being merged in browse by album name? I get all my albums like Greatest Hits appearing merged together as one album with all the artists listed instead of discrete albums for each one. They are all Apple Lossless and I'm on iTunes 7. Thanks. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28947 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Dan Sully;147909 Wrote: FLAC support is here to stay. SqueezeNetwork is here to stay. Linux/Unix support is here to stay. With all due respect Dan, no-one could or should make that promise. Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens and all you can really say is that there is no current intention to change anything. You really wouldn't want a law suit... -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Robin Bowes;148118 Wrote: CardinalFang wrote: Dan Sully;147909 Wrote: FLAC support is here to stay. SqueezeNetwork is here to stay. Linux/Unix support is here to stay. With all due respect Dan, no-one could or should make that promise. Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens and all you can really say is that there is no current intention to change anything. You really wouldn't want a law suit... Legal bollocks. That's exactly what he is saying. Some people have too much time on their hands. R. Sorry, was that aimed at me? All I am pointing out that if someone buys a product based on a comment from an employee and that turns out at some point to be not true, some wacko may sue - they sue for a lot less. You promised me support for SqueezeNetwork/FLAC/Linux forever! -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
AndrueC;148186 Wrote: That being the case - why are so many people so keen on making everything open source? I think at least part of the motivation must be that being open source ensures the longevity of the software. SlimServer will undoubtedly survive, whether contributions will continue in the same volume is up for debate, but it'll still be there. Whether there are Transporters and Squeezeboxes that hook up to it in the future is another question, that's a strategic corporate decision that someone has to take based on financial performance of the product range. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Kevin O. Lepard;148189 Wrote: Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear... That's just silly. A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer on your drive? People strongly believed that the Jaguar X-Type was a Ford Mondeo with a new body, sales never amounted to anything close to success. Brand is important, Apple know that and so do many others. I wouldn't buy a Logitech Transporter because they are not renowned for high-end audio engineering or for understanding the needs of the HiFi audience. Right now, that's dumb, in 2-3 years, it may well be smart. We shall see. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Michaelwagner;148210 Wrote: I think there's an awful lot of (perhaps self-serving) speculation going on here. I enjoy the debate, no more, no less. It won't change anything but it's kinda fun to chew the fat with fellow enthusiasts. Michaelwagner;148210 Wrote: In another thread, I wrote: If, having seen the introduction, you think you know the whole story of Slim and Logitech and where it's going to go, then you of necessity also think there is nothing unique or different about either Slim or Logitech. Do you? Neither Slim or Logitech are unique, the products vary from others in the market, but there are other companies with fora, open source, computer audio products etc, etc. What has just happened isn't unique either, and what happens next will probably follow a pattern too. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
LHawes;148208 Wrote: Large buinesses simply do not pursue small markets and the transporter represent a VERY small market. That is why I would not expect it to survive for very long. A small market perhaps, but I would expect the Transporter has much higher margins than lower cost products. Ultimately, I would tend to agree with you, I don't see a Transporter 2 in the future. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
Skunk;148249 Wrote: Why would logitech buy the slimserver? They could just take it. On a similar note, why would they buy two devices they could certainly engineer for less than 20 million? The biggest part of what they bought was , IMHO , a network of support for such devices. What they bought was forward looking revenues, i.e. a multiple of what Slim expected to earn next year, probably with a 4-5 multiplier in there. There is an earn-out on the deal too, so it's in everyone's interest to make that number, one way or another. What's in the past means nothing to LogiTech from a financial point of view, they can only benefit from future sales. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote: If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing. If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it says Logitech on it instead of AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X on it (or for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment: That's just silly. You've just described the audiophile market :-) -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote: Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear... That's just silly. A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer on your drive? Never owned either. But if the _only_ difference is the badge, and the fit, finish, options, etc., are the same then I'll take the cheaper one. Results matter, not the logo on them. Most ordinary consumers take the Volkswagen, the same way that they'll taken an iPod and not an equally good alternative. Results actually don't matter that much to most people, why are BO and Bose so popular for example? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Jack Coates;148260 Wrote: Actually, I sincerely hope that both of them have better things to do than to participate in this pathetic whine fest. What are bulletin boards about except to discuss things? People like to talk about stuff. That doesn't make it pathetic, it's just human nature. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Michaelwagner;148338 Wrote: To claim that you know, as a certainty, that this is going to be a disaster, is whining. No it's not whining and you're just being insulting. I have no problem with whatever happens, I have my Squeezebox and I'm happy with it. I have a point of view based on experience and I don't think I have at any point said that it's going to be a disaster. I *do* expect Sean and team to leave and set up other companies at the end of their earn-out - that's fairly typical for these situations and is why there is an earn out. We got the products we paid for, the company grew up and got taken over, that's the way of the world. It's not a disaster, it's business. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
junien;147441 Wrote: Actually I am not sure I see a dicotomy between tech-led development and user-friendliness. In fact I was personally impressed about the ease of installation and of use of my Squeezebox. The user interface of the Slim Server could probably become more consumer oriented. Yet this is not a priority. I appreciate your answer, but you've kind of shown your hand there a bit - it's usually Sean who says what the priority is ;-) Apologies, I'm a bit too sharp sometimes, I'm sure that wasn't the meaning of your post! But it does raise a point, the UI is an issue for a lot of people. I suppose the answer is a fancy new remote - it's something I wanted, so I can't complain. I was referring to the fact that as a tech-led development, consideration for non-technical users can be a low priority (and I didn't say it is in this case) since it is a community driven development for that community of technical people. To get that 10x user base happy and contented, you're going to have to start making design and marketing decisions about the product and request that the community follow them. If I were Logitech and examining the complete cost base for extending the product market size, then support has to be measured and relying on the free time of enthusiasts isn't really going to cut the mustard. junien;147441 Wrote: We are much more interested in extending the current technology to new hardware products and new markets. With more users, the cracks in SlimServer will show more. I hope the community here is feeling up to the job. Believe me, once the average Joe gets hold of this and starts asking where he plugs it into his computer, this forum will get a taste of the future. junien;147441 Wrote: I also hope that the open source community will continue to be motivated in making the products stronger and more versatile. That depends - at the moment they are developing for a community of generally polite fellow enthusiasts who love the product because it is hackable. When that changes as SlimServer is used with numerous other products and the user base extends to 10 times what it is today and comments on the groups change from I'm having a few problems to the pos software won't work, that willingness to contribute may change. Hey, I'm probably wrong, but as I said I'm a cynical b*sta*d - unfortunately that's usually the correct stance when it comes to corporate life. I've watched and been involved in acquisitions several times. The usual timetable is that the founders leave as soon as the financial handcuffs come off (earn-outs, restricted stock selling etc.), key staff go somewhere else where the small compoany spirit still exists (or where there is equity to be had), the proposed new products get shelved (testing new price points == we'll kill it if it doesn't sell) and the original customers who enjoyed the kudos of owning the audiophile product go elsewhere. I'd buy a Slim Transporter, not sure I'd buy a Logitech one. Yes, that's dumb if it's the same product inside, but HiFi snobbery is a critical aspect of the market. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
flattop100;147616 Wrote: Seems to me that only happens in companies who don't love what they make. I get the totally opposite impression from SD. The snappy answer is that they currently enjoy what they do, that may change for the worse or it may get better. Don't forget it isn't strictly SD anymore and no matter how independant they may be, new rules apply from now on. It's up to Logitech to make sure their new acquisition is happy - most of what they've paid for is the people, if they walk, that's a lot of money down the tubes. However, there's nothing like cash in the pocket to give you a more relaxed perspective to life, and in Sean's shoes I'd be looking forwards right now. Whether a few months down the line the team get itchy feet is yet to be seen. I don't want anyone to get me wrong though, I still love the product - as I said a Logitech Transporter doesn't appeal to my hifi snob sensibilities, but perhaps it'll evolve and look even cooler. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Real Music Visualisation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpovwbPGEooeurl= You do need a propane cylinder, but it's pretty cool :-) -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimServer running on a Playstation 3!
autopilot;147103 Wrote: Given that the PS3 will run Linux - http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/17/yellow-dog-linux-5-0-to-run-on-sonys-playstation-3/ - and that it will have wired/wireless networking capabilities and HDD, whats the chances we will be able to run Slimserver on it? That would be very cool indeed. The ability to do music visualisation would be cool, but surely the issue is access to storage? I guess you could access a NAS disk array over WiFi or ethernet, but built-in storage isn't great AFAIK. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28785 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Real Music Visualisation
Mark Lanctot;147315 Wrote: That is the COOLEST. I'm not so sure it'd be good to attach to the system as there's a little problem with CO accumulation, not to mention heat. However if you needed heat anyway and you had ventilation that would be quite something... I'd love to have something like that running at Halloween - or better still Guy Fawkes night here in the UK. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28809 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices
Well I can't blame you from a business perspective, I'd do the same. I guess most people here, including me, would be concerned that larger company attitudes and needs to satisfy shareholders will result in cost-cutting to equipment we've grown to know and love. This applies most directly I would say to the Transporter, where a great deal of the appeal lies in the concept of high-engineering ideals and selective component control. Will it now start to be built in the Far East and standards drop? I suppose the burning question for me is how independant will the Slim design process be? Logitech are a fine company, I just wouldn't buy high end audio from them. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
junien;147410 Wrote: Logitech will bring its global distribution and marketing capabilities, providing a jump start to a large visibility and adoption of Slim Devices products.Junien In that case, I would guess that in order to match the higher profile and wider consumer appeal that you would want to acquire, products like SlimServer have to break out of the more tech-led user base it has so far and develop a more consumer-friendly look and feel? Open source development is unlikely to provide that as it tends to build products that match the community's requirements, not the mass market's. You are also less likely to get support from that community now that it is to generate returns for anomymous major shareholders and not company founders. I would assume therefore that more in-house design and productisation is required - that would be the route I'd take. I'd actually like to see the server software get more consumer friendly, I'd feel more comfortable recommending it to friends. I wouldn't contribute freely to that myself though - Logitech are a rich company... -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
seanadams;147420 Wrote: We actually do much of our higher complexity manufacturing in Asia already, while final assembly, quality control, and kitting take place in Mountain View. That won't change immediately, but as we grow we will take advantage of Logitech's manufacturing capabilities. Oh, so the price will come down :-) Damn, I'm a cynical b*sta*d. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Kaleidescape demo
funkstar;146254 Wrote: Someone was working on a Flash interface for use with a PSP, but i think he ran into some problems and i think it was with the PSPs Flash implimentation. Might have been Cardinal Fang, but could be wrong on that. Yup, I started off using OpenLaszlo and it all went swimmingly until I found out that the PSP flash implementation doesn't allow you to connect to URLs from the Flash code, so no-go for the moment :-( OpenLaszlo is definitely the way to go for development though, very easy to connect to databases (if supported in the version of Flash on the device!) It would probably work really well on a PC, but I've moved onto other things for the moment. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28650 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Down to earth with a thud.......
Smiler33;144004 Wrote: After reading the response and responding in kind I started looking around at all this codec stuff. I bought the Slim Devices Squeezebox to link directly to iTunes as I am sure many other people do and as a Mac owner who likes top-quality lossless audio Apple Lossless was the best option for my files. I now find out that I have 2 choices: 1) Use FLAC and forget about using iTunes 2) Use ALAC and forget about using Squeezebox. I read the reviews and chose this format over the Roku for the looks, ease of installation and most importantly, ALAC compatibility. It looks like its not compatible. Am I reading something wrong? My Mac was pretty top spec when I bought it 2.5ghz Quad, 2.5gb ram. From what I understand, the Mac has to convert the files to send to the Squeezebox. The Squeezebox graphic EQ looks like it is spasming and the sound stops and starts. Is there any plans for the Squeezebox to support Apple Lossless users. I have seen the Apple iTV box but do not want the the Video functionality or to have the TV on to use it. I love my Squeezebox. Please help. I use Apple lossless on my ancient PowerMac (500Mhz) and it runs fine, so have you checked that your iTunes and QuickTime are in sync? Have you tried upgrading to the latest version? That aside, do you have any other wireless devices or microwave ovens, DECT phones that might be causing a problem? Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: No Connection. Squeezbox. Netgear DG834N.
emkai;140306 Wrote: Thanks Kevin. I'll give it a go tomorrow night and will post if it works, just in case anyone else has a similar problem. You can read the MAC address from the back of the Squeezebox and enter it manually into the allowed devices table on the Netgear admin pages. I did this for my Squeezebox and a PSP when I was only allowing certain devices to connect. I've since changed to a BT Home Hub to get higher download speeds, so that's all from memory. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27967 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Looks like Apple are joining the party
)p(;135732 Wrote: Can you elaborate a bit what you feel the pain is as I am thinking on going the tv route. peter I must admit that I'm thinking it would be good too - after all I've often read on these fora the benefits of having the web interface for music selection, so why the sudden dislike of a LCD screen for browsing music? It would allow display of album art and needn't be huge. All my family use iTunes in preference to SoftSqueeze, so it would keep them happy. I do agree with the sentiment that the iTV is unlikely to match the Transporter for audio quality, but hooked up to a decent DAC it might well be not half bad. I remain open minded about it - the iPod is a fine device and does the job for many millions of people, so the iTV may well do the same. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Looks like Apple are joining the party
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/12/live-from-the-steve-jobs-keynote-its-showtime/ At the end, the iTV, plays music, video, photos etc and plugs into your stereo and TV. Just goes to show that the Transporter was a good strategic move... Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Looks like Apple are joining the party
radish;135588 Wrote: More importantly, they've finally realised iPods should be gapless. Makes me think about buying one... I need to update mine and that new 80gig model should hold a decent amount of high quality recordings. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Looks like Apple are joining the party
Smiley Dan;135597 Wrote: I'm interested as to how you think the Transporter plays with this. To me Transporter is the total opposite, it is more audiophile than pragmatic. That was my point, the SB3 will look very poor value next to this new Apple device, so it was a smart move for Slim to go more audiophile. The transporter doesn't work with the Apple device, it serves a different, more discerning community. The new Apple player will make a big dent in Sonos sales I would imagine. I would buy one for my kids to use and if that's a digital out on the back, it might sound pretty decent through a DAC. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Looks like Apple are joining the party
Nick Silberstein;135608 Wrote: CardinalFang wrote: That was my point, the SB3 will look very poor value next to this new Apple device, so it was a smart move for Slim to go more audiophile. At first glance, the Apple prototype iTV doesn't appear to be of much in the way of competition to the Squeezebox. All they share is the ability to transport music from a computer to a receiver/stereo/entertainment center. I think you underestimate the brand power of Apple, plus the iTV will play video, music, shows photo albums etc. To most people this is far more functional than Sonos or SB3. A nice big TV screen also allows you to browse music using a nice big display and everyone has a TV or two in the house, so it makes a lot of sense. In fact you could hook up a cheap color LCD TV to it just for audio playback in a small room and that would work a lot better for me than the SB3 display. Sure the SB3 has audiophile kudos, but so does Apple - it's used a lot in recording studios so this is going to be a natural step for a lot of Apple devotees. Don't get me wrong, I like my SB2 for the audio quality, but if the iTV comes close, I can't see how SB3 would ever become more mainstream. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Looks like Apple are joining the party
andyg;135612 Wrote: I found it interesting that the thing has no composite video out! Won't hook up to just any old TV you have laying around... But an old monitor would work. We shall see, I think it's an important device and I hope that Slim can hold onto their market. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Looks like Apple are joining the party
Mark Lanctot;135623 Wrote: Ehh, I don't know. These multipurpose devices just end up never doing anything all that well Absolutely - I have a special PC for word processing, one with a bigger screen for spreadsheets and one with an graphics card for games.. :-) And combination DVD/CD players are all rubbish too...actually a lot of them are, but some high end ones work pretty well. I buy dedicated audio gear and hate music centres, so I'm on your side, but I don't write off Apple so fast, the iPod works really well and I've had many happy hours usage from my old series 2 player. Horses for courses, if it ties in nicely with iTunes, then they'll have a very nice seller there. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Could this answer our remote control dreams?
Mark Lanctot;134145 Wrote: I was under the impression this was a portable device, but now it's looking like the battery is just provided for backup much like the clock radio it's intended to replace, and that the device is designed to be on mains power at all times. Dealbreaker? I guess that depends on whether you want to walk about with it in your hand or have it sitting on a table. I have to agree that having a cable hanging out of the back all the time is horrible and it would need modifying to support a rechargable battery and docking station to be a really good solution. I could also see it being mounted in a wall or in a kitchen cabinet. Is it a dealbreaker? I'm not sure, I think I could live with the shortcomings at that price and it could be fun to hack around. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27096 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Could this answer our remote control dreams?
The chumby, a soon to be released $150 Wifi enabled home computing device with colour screen: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/05/hands-on-with-the-chumby/ It even has a squeeze sensor - now how could that be used for music selection?! Seriously though, it's open source, so I'm sure we could turn it into a seriously good remote control. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27096 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Could this answer our remote control dreams?
Michaelwagner;134046 Wrote: Well, we have a while to think up some good lines...general availability isn't until spring 2007 (unless you want to get a pre-production hand sample by filling in a clever answer to the question of why you deserve one). Well I think being able to control another open source media device would go down well, although we can't all have one! If we could get a Flash based interface running well on the chumby I'd by one when they come out, a graphical remote is the missing element for me and if it were re-housed in a SB3-type enclosure for the Transporter and SB3 it would really add value to the product range, IMO. Plus it'd be so much cheaper than the Sonos. Perhaps Slim should blag one for internal use? Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27096 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Could this answer our remote control dreams?
Mark Lanctot;134103 Wrote: A nice brushed alumimum enclosure with rounded edges like the SB3 - oh! (Shows up fingerprints real nice though). Hmmm... aluminium isn't that squeezable though! You would need to have a soft surface on the top to adjust volume, although a black rubber enclosure would be cool, it wouldn't break when you dropped it and it can be moulded to give it a really cool look. It's crying out to be set into furniture though, how about a remote installed into the arm of a chair? :-) Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27096 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Could this answer our remote control dreams?
bklaas;134136 Wrote: Personally, I think this thing looks like a piece-o-crap Now don't be evasive, tell me what you really thnk :-) I agree, out of the box, it looks a bit cheap 'n' nasty, but I'm intersted in the customisation potential. I'd rehouse it myself into a black leather case. As for power, you could probably build a cradle with a bit of engineering. The problem we face is that devices like the Nokia 770 will cease manufacturing before too long and will be hard to get in the future. Paul -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27096 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
